i need tst's help. gtr vs gt3 rs

[clay]

new gtr
gt3 rs

if you were going to buy one.

me and my friends are argueing between this were tied and need your help

[namdoogwerdna]

swing vote for gt3rs
http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/swing-vote-poster.jpg

[clay]

sweet red x.......fag

[TROLL]

hmm autotragic or bright ass orange stripes and whatnot... i'll go with the gtr, i guess.

[the4g63]

Considering they cost about the same, GT3 RS.

[CleanNeon98]

GT3 RS because its a Porsche...the GTR isnt...

[97TurboDSM]

gt3rs

[clay]

dont forget to cast your vote. its only a 24hr poll.

[Zillon]

GT3 RS.

Always loved those cars.

[Turbo s60R]

i would normally go with the gt3 but i think that only car guys respect a gt3 where i feel everyone will notice a gtr, but then again im probably just talk out of my ass again

[CHAOS]

you cant even compare the 2 ... they are completely different cars.


one is an awd monster street car... the other is a stripped out rwd 911

[namdoogwerdna]

agreed jon. i love them both, but the gt3 is stick shift which is a big plus for me over the gtr and i think it's better looking too.

(edited to make more sense)

[BlackVr96]

stick shift doesnt mean a whole lot....

for instance the VW DSG transmission actually has been shown to shift faster than a person with their 6spd manual.

but i like the porsche myself, im not a japanese car fan.

[namdoogwerdna]

im not saying 6spd>flappy paddle, i just like manual better, which is a big reason i would pick the porsche over the nissan. a computer can shift faster than a person any day of the week.

[trancedcorolla]

gt3 for sure.

[CHAOS]

its not about the transmissions... its about league.


they arent in the same one.


i mean **** look at the pricing.

[CleanNeon98]

stick shift doesnt mean a whole lot....

for instance the VW DSG transmission actually has been shown to shift faster than a person with their 6spd manual.

but i like the porsche myself, im not a japanese car fan.
Yea but people like myself would rather have the fun factor rather than bullet shifting. I much prefer a standard manual to BMW's SMG System, and Ive driven identical cars with the either transmission and still had more fun in the standard.

With these 2 cars I think it comes down to what you want, kinda like CHAOS said, and its also a matter of look and prestige. I would MUCH rather be seen in a Porsche than a Nissan, regardless of which is faster.

edit: word choice and spelling > my intelligence

[S2K<3]

...it's not like you're driving your dads maxima around. it's gt-r

[namdoogwerdna]

agreed, porche builds cars just as poorly as nissan does. i don't think the manufacturer should be the basis of the decision. I just like the gt3 more. it's got a friggin roll cage and it's rolling on DOT slicks. not to mention the sound.

[SovXietday]

GT3 > ZR1 > NSX > GTR

How bout that.

[clay]

i would normally go with the gt3 but i think that only car guys respect a gt3 where i feel everyone will notice a gtr, but then again im probably just talk out of my ass again

i completely agree.

[CHAOS]

honestly if i could afford a gt3rs... id be looking at other cars because id probably already own a gtr.

[lawdogg]

If someone came to me and said - here, pick one, for free, I'd pick up the Porsche. I won't be driving this car balls to the wall 24/7 around the track, I won't be drag racing every time I get in it - most of the time when I drive it, I'll just be driving it. For that reason I'd much rather be sitting in the Porsche, for the name, the image, the prestige, it's a Porsche GT3 RS man. Good god.

[namdoogwerdna]

i would normally go with the gt3 but i think that only car guys respect a gt3 where i feel everyone will notice a gtr, but then again im probably just talk out of my ass again

thats kinda backwards. I feel like only car people would respect a GTR. Normal people would just say "oh, its a Nissan" where as those people see a friggin boxter that could be parked next to TT supra and say "OMG OMG A PORSCHEEEEEEE"


Either way I don't do it for the attention factor. I'd rather not have anyone notice what I'm driving at all.

[S2K<3]

GT-R = 65 more crank hp, 130 more ft/lbs of torque, .2 liters more, 2 more turbos, 2 more wheels spinning. nuff said

[clay]

hahahahahahahaha. go drive your 4runner

and what happen to us not voting

[CHAOS]

GT-R = 65 more crank hp, 130 more ft/lbs of torque, .2 liters more, 2 more turbos, 2 more wheels spinning. nuff said

is this the red headed kid?

[S2K<3]

that would be me sweetheart

[S2K<3]

and go drive your rusty 2 tone integra

[CleanNeon98]

GT-R = 65 more crank hp, 130 more ft/lbs of torque, .2 liters more, 2 more turbos, 2 more wheels spinning. nuff said
More = Better is a typical ricer attitude. Nuff said.
agreed, porche builds cars just as poorly as nissan does. i don't think the manufacturer should be the basis of the decision. I just like the gt3 more. it's got a friggin roll cage and it's rolling on DOT slicks. not to mention the sound.
Orly?? Sorry but I feel way more quality in a Carrera rather than a 350Z, and both can be had for about the same money used, granted the Carrera will be older with more miles, but its a Porsche that I probbably wouldnt drive daily anyway.

Its like picking a BMW to a Toyota...

[CHAOS]

that would be me sweetheart

lol sup broski?

and i will say it again.


the Porsche GT3 RS and the Nissan GTR are not in the same league.

Sure they both perform very well... but they are not the same type of car, not in the same price range, and have very different "auras" about them... so they can not be logically compared.

[97TurboDSM]

lol. bmw v toyota=gt3rs v gt-r? gtfo with that ****

[S2K<3]

more equals better is a ricer attitude if you're talking about a neon and a civic. not when you're talking about two car gods. they obviously both handle unbelievably well, so in this instance more does equal better. and nothings up i just had to join this so clay wouldn't brainwash everyone into voting his way

[CleanNeon98]

lol. bmw v toyota=gt3rs v gt-r? gtfo with that ****
No it was just a league comparison. I see the Porsche being WAY higher class than a Nissan, ANY Nissan.

[CleanNeon98]

more equals better is a ricer attitude if you're talking about a neon and a civic. not when you're talking about two car gods. they obviously both handle unbelievably well, so in this instance more does equal better. and nothings up i just had to join this so clay wouldn't brainwash everyone into voting his way
Sorry man but i dont recall him saying that he preffered the Porsche, nor telling us to vote that way. There are a lot of cars that offer less and give back more, compare performance on an Ariel Atom and a Corvette for example, compare the features (or lack of in the Atom). Then tell me that more is better. :thumbup:

[CHAOS]

atom v corvette = atom hands down.

[dwl137]

GT-R = 65 more crank hp, 130 more ft/lbs of torque, .2 liters more, 2 more turbos, 2 more wheels spinning. nuff said

And the GT-R is also 800lbs heavier than the GT3RS

[S2K<3]

my left leg weighs more than the ariel, it's slightly different in comparison

[PoorMan'sR]

And the GT-R is also 800lbs heavier than the GT3RS

and 10x better looking

[clay]

more equals better is a ricer attitude if you're talking about a neon and a civic. not when you're talking about two car gods. they obviously both handle unbelievably well, so in this instance more does equal better. and nothings up i just had to join this so clay wouldn't brainwash everyone into voting his way

brainwash?
your the one spitting out numbers. not me

[dwl137]

and 10x better looking

That's a matter of opinion. I was pointing out that even though the GT-R has more power the lb per hp is similar because it weighs considerably more.

[PoorMan'sR]

brainwash?
your the one spitting out numbers. not me

he's spitting out the numbers to prove its an all around better car, people associate porsche as higher end than a nissian, and yet the gtr is better

[CleanNeon98]

my left leg weighs more than the ariel, it's slightly different in comparison
No its not. They are both street legal cars. You said that more=better in that league of performance. I showed you otherwise.
and 10x better looking
Thats a matter of opinion, and i think you are wrong. To me the GT-R is just a car, it has no sense of excitement or passion around it, the Porsche is the exact opposite.
he's spitting out the numbers to prove its an all around better car, people associate porsche as higher end than a nissian, and yet the gtr is better
Thats a damn opinion! Have you driven either?? no, so shut up.

[clay]

lol sup broski?

and i will say it again.


the Porsche GT3 RS and the Nissan GTR are not in the same league.

Sure they both perform very well... but they are not the same type of car, not in the same price range, and have very different "auras" about them... so they can not be logically compared.

we are aware that they are totally different. we just want to know which would you rather have

[clay]

he's spitting out the numbers to prove its an all around better car, people associate porsche as higher end than a nissian, and yet the gtr is better

another more is better ricer. jeeeeez:banana:

[S2K<3]

okay, you're right that's true. but i think you're way off base saying that the gtr has no excitement or passion around it. it's a skyline for christ sake, be it a new far changed version of what it used to be. it still has just as much heritage and "passion" as the porsche

[CleanNeon98]

okay, you're right that's true. but i think you're way off base saying that the gtr has no excitement or passion around it. it's a skyline for christ sake, be it a new far changed version of what it used to be. it still has just as much heritage and "passion" as the porsche
I dont think it has passion. Its built using a lot of technology, to me that doesnt translate into passion. Porsches are very delicately crafted and have such a nice feel to them, both sitting and driving, it feels like the people who made them actually were in touch with what they did, and cared for it. The GT-R on the other hand looks like every other mass produced Japanese car, just with more gizmos. I havent driven the GT-R yet (hopefully soon), but from the photos Ive seen it all looks like a giant playstation, it just doesnt tickle me.

[PoorMan'sR]

No its not. They are both street legal cars. You said that more=better in that league of performance. I showed you otherwise.

Thats a matter of opinion, and i think you are wrong. To me the GT-R is just a car, it has no sense of excitement or passion around it, the Porsche is the exact opposite.

Thats a damn opinion! Have you driven either?? no, so shut up.

im not saying i've ever driven either of them, im looking at the solid facts, all the numbers, the price, the all around basis of the cars, i've always been a fan of skylines, never so much porsche, so yea a gtr will get me off, where as a porsche is a porsche, its a great car no doubt i just believe that the gtr is better...would you look at that, telling me to shut up did absolutely nothing.

[CleanNeon98]

im not saying i've ever driven either of them, im looking at the solid facts, all the numbers, the price, the all around basis of the cars, i've always been a fan of skylines, never so much porsche, so yea a gtr will get me off, where as a porsche is a porsche, its a great car no doubt i just believe that the gtr is better...would you look at that, telling me to shut up did absolutely nothing.
Yea, I know. Dont state your opinion like its a fact, you just look stupid. Is the GT-R faster?? Im sure. Handles better?? No doubt. I would still never have one, to me a car is more than just how fast it can accelerate and stop and turn, its about the whole experience, and if I had the money to buy either one of them, I would never be seen in a Nissan, no matter how spectacular of a supercar it is.

[PoorMan'sR]

I dont think it has passion. Its built using a lot of technology, to me that doesnt translate into passion. Porsches are very delicately crafted and have such a nice feel to them, both sitting and driving, it feels like the people who made them actually were in touch with what they did, and cared for it. The GT-R on the other hand looks like every other mass produced Japanese car, just with more gizmos. I havent driven the GT-R yet (hopefully soon), but from the photos Ive seen it all looks like a giant playstation, it just doesnt tickle me.

yo buddy, i don't know if you know this, but pretty much all cars are built by using technology, go to some amish guy and ask him to make you a car, he won't use any technology, see how that turns out for ya

[Nors]

GTR would be cool for about a day, then it would be annoying how people act. The Porsche crowd is a little more grown up i would think as well.

[CHAOS]

how does someone saying more is better make them a ricer? this thread is terrible.

[namdoogwerdna]

hahahahahahahaha. go drive your 4runner

and what happen to us not voting

That's my bad, I got the text after I voted in here.

and 10x better looking
Gonna have to disagree, the porsche looks better to me, but you're basically comparing a really hot bruette to a really hot redhead. Both really good-looking, I just have a "thing" for the look of the gt3 rs.



Orly?? Sorry but I feel way more quality in a Carrera rather than a 350Z, and both can be had for about the same money used, granted the Carrera will be older with more miles, but its a Porsche that I probbably wouldnt drive daily anyway.

Its like picking a BMW to a Toyota...

Think what you want, I'm telling you they are all built like ****. So are BMWs, Hondas, and Bentleys. Crap. All of it.

[namdoogwerdna]

I dont think it has passion. Its built using a lot of technology, to me that doesnt translate into passion. Porsches are very delicately crafted and have such a nice feel to them, both sitting and driving, it feels like the people who made them actually were in touch with what they did, and cared for it. The GT-R on the other hand looks like every other mass produced Japanese car, just with more gizmos. I havent driven the GT-R yet (hopefully soon), but from the photos Ive seen it all looks like a giant playstation, it just doesnt tickle me.

when are you going to drive a gt-r? and when have you ever driven or even ridden in a carrera more than a few blocks?

[SovXietday]

I dont think it has passion. Its built using a lot of technology, to me that doesnt translate into passion. Porsches are very delicately crafted and have such a nice feel to them, both sitting and driving, it feels like the people who made them actually were in touch with what they did, and cared for it. The GT-R on the other hand looks like every other mass produced Japanese car, just with more gizmos. I havent driven the GT-R yet (hopefully soon), but from the photos Ive seen it all looks like a giant playstation, it just doesnt tickle me.


*shakes head*

By your definition of passion, we should all be driving carburated datsuns.

[clay]

how does someone saying more is better make them a ricer? this thread is terrible.

hahaha its alright jon its only got 12 more hours in her

[PoorMan'sR]

hahaha its alright jon its only got 12 more hours in her

you know what would make a good thread, half painted integra vs 4runner vs ford fusion

[namdoogwerdna]

im not saying i've ever driven either of them, im looking at the solid facts, all the numbers, the price, the all around basis of the cars, i've always been a fan of skylines, never so much porsche, so yea a gtr will get me off, where as a porsche is a porsche, its a great car no doubt i just believe that the gtr is better...would you look at that, telling me to shut up did absolutely nothing.

shut up.

your integra was faster than my civic, and it was cheaper, and it had better suspension, and it got better gas mileage, and it had more jdm ****. i'd still rather have my civic. its all personal choice. personally, i'm not just going to play the numbers game. the reason you want the gt-r is because i have brainwashed you into only liking japanese sports cars, so it is your instinct as a ricer to pick the rice rocket over the hitler hurricane.

they are both great cars, in their own right.

[namdoogwerdna]

hahaha its alright jon its only got 12 more hours in her

*this thread will self-destruct in five... four... three...*

[CHAOS]

you guys are basically arguing against yourselves.... its like you all agree that they arent in the same league so why bother continuing...

[redline]

This is hard! But in the end I would still want the GTR, I see too many GT series here in Germany so it kinda ruined the exotic factor.

[namdoogwerdna]

because people keep making retarded comments. you're right, that they aren't in the same league, but its still discussion worthy i think.

[CHAOS]

what is there to discuss?

[namdoogwerdna]

which you would choose, and why. they're just trying to settle an argumet that started in someones basemet last night... just because the cars are completely different doesn't mean there is nothing to talk about. maybe it does. **** it i dont really care lol

[S2K<3]

which one you would rather have. and we just love to argue it's what we do in our spare time

[Dave]

neither, i vote for a used F-car

[namdoogwerdna]

which one you would rather have. and we just love to argue it's what we do in our spare time



^true, this guy is the king of picking fights haha

[namdoogwerdna]

neither, i vote for a used F-car

i'd have a 360 CS if it was on the poll, but its not :banana:

[PoorMan'sR]

which one you would rather have. and we just love to argue it's what we do in our spare time

this is quite true

[CHAOS]

if we are bringin other cars into this


id rather have a zonda or konigsegg

[clay]

which you would choose, and why. they're just trying to settle an argumet that started in someones basemet last night... just because the cars are completely different doesn't mean there is nothing to talk about. maybe it does. **** it i dont really care lol

no why. just which one do you like more. not which one is physically better but which one would you rather have.

[namdoogwerdna]

if we are bringin other cars into this


id rather have a zonda or konigsegg



well yeah but im saying that isnt the topic at hand

[clay]

if we are bringin other cars into this


id rather have a zonda or konigsegg

your not flipping helping. no outside cars.

[namdoogwerdna]

no why. just which one do you like more. not which one is physically better but which one would you rather have.

so people can't explain themselves when they get **** for picking one over the other? you're not going to choose something just "because," you have to have some kind of reason for it

[clay]

so people can't explain themselves when they get **** for picking one over the other? you're not going to choose something just "because," you have to have some kind of reason for it

i realize there is reason for it. but just keep it to your self and then there will be nothing to argue about

[PoorMan'sR]

arguing keeps me entertained at work

[namdoogwerdna]

i realize there is reason for it. but just keep it to your self and then there will be nothing to argue about

then what's the point in having a thread to discuss anything? if you didnt want a converstation about it to happen you shoulda just called someone else to break the tie lol

[S2K<3]

look this whole thing is wrong. the original "argument" was which one would win the bracket. i'll explain. we were reading a motortrend magazine last night and we stumbled across a bracket similar to the NCAA tournament bracket. we were talking and we finally got to picking which car would win against the other in a bracket form. THE ORIGINAL TOPIC WAS AS FOLLOWS- which car is cooler AND equipped with XM radio. the GT-R was on the list but the porsche only said GT3 it did not say the GT3 RS. so i highly doubt that the RS comes with XM radio, or with a radio at all for that matter. so since the GT3 RS breaks the rules of the original argument that was held between myself clay (typeRdreams) and our friend eric, it is disqualified and the GT-R is the winner. THE END

[CHAOS]

id take a gtr over the regular gt3.

[clay]

look this whole thing is wrong. the original "argument" was which one would win the bracket. i'll explain. we were reading a motortrend magazine last night and we stumbled across a bracket similar to the NCAA tournament bracket. we were talking and we finally got to picking which car would win against the other in a bracket form. THE ORIGINAL TOPIC WAS AS FOLLOWS- which car is cooler AND equipped with XM radio. the GT-R was on the list but the porsche only said GT3 it did not say the GT3 RS. so i highly doubt that the RS comes with XM radio, or with a radio at all for that matter. so since the GT3 RS breaks the rules of the original argument that was held between myself clay (typeRdreams) and our friend eric, it is disqualified and the GT-R is the winner. THE END

false. we set our rules saying any trim level out right now. so that would be gt3rs.

[namdoogwerdna]

Thats a matter of opinion, and i think you are wrong. To me the GT-R is just a car, it has no sense of excitement or passion around it, the Porsche is the exact opposite.


What the hell gives the Porsche "excitemet" and "passion" over anything else? A Geo has just as much "passion" as a Porsche does. There isnt some Passion Machine at the factory in Germany where they inject a molten liquid mixture of Jew Gold, Gypsy tears and Leprachaun shavings into the mold for the block of the motor. All of that passion hype is bull****. Their racing pedigree has nothing to do with the consumer vehicle other than the R&D they got from testing differet setups on a track. They just want to make money and go fast. If they really had a passion for excitement and excellence, their cars wouldnt break as much as they do and they wouldnt be put together as poorly. It's a car. It's just a car.

[namdoogwerdna]

Hell people even say Ferrari's are built with excitement and passion in mind. At first, Enzo only sold cars so that he could afford to race more. He didn't WANT other people to feel tingles down their spine when they drove one of his cars. He just wanted to make money.

[sisforsurfing]

*shakes head*

By your definition of passion, we should all be driving carburated datsuns.

hahahah :iagree:

In response to the original post, my heart says GT3 RS, my mind says GT-R. I'm going with heart.
I could care less about the badge and "prestige." Screw that garbage. I'd also rather drive the GT-R daily, and I know it's faster. But there's something about a naturally aspirated, horizontally opposed 6 sitting in the trunk of your white-on-orange car with a stock roll cage that's really hard for me to turn down.

[pearl]

are you buying one?

[namdoogwerdna]

hahahah :iagree:

In response to the original post, my heart says GT3 RS, my mind says GT-R. I'm going with heart.
I could care less about the badge and "prestige." Screw that garbage. I'd also rather drive the GT-R daily, and I know it's faster. But there's something about a naturally aspirated, horizontally opposed 6 sitting in the trunk of your white-on-orange car with a stock roll cage that's really hard for me to turn down.

:mrgreen::mrgreen::afro::iagree:

i would dd the gt-r too, but when it comes down to it you just cant turn that gt3 down haha

[CleanNeon98]

when are you going to drive a gt-r? and when have you ever driven or even ridden in a carrera more than a few blocks?
Hoping to drive one at least a bit by the end of the summer but we will see. For reference I have probbably totalled around 1000 miles in various Porsches. 2 Boxsters, a Boxster S, a 911 Turbo 996, and about 20 Carreras/Carrera 4. Some were stick, some were auto, some were coupe, some were convertible.
EDIT: thats time behind the wheel.
*shakes head*

By your definition of passion, we should all be driving carburated datsuns.
I never said that :mad:
What the hell gives the Porsche "excitemet" and "passion" over anything else? A Geo has just as much "passion" as a Porsche does. There isnt some Passion Machine at the factory in Germany where they inject a molten liquid mixture of Jew Gold, Gypsy tears and Leprachaun shavings into the mold for the block of the motor. All of that passion hype is bull****. Their racing pedigree has nothing to do with the consumer vehicle other than the R&D they got from testing differet setups on a track. They just want to make money and go fast. If they really had a passion for excitement and excellence, their cars wouldnt break as much as they do and they wouldnt be put together as poorly. It's a car. It's just a car.
I never heard anything about Porsches being unreliable cars, I see them with high miles all the time. The catch is that maintenance is EXTREMELY expensive. I remember for the Boxster S (mentioned above) trade-in we got, it needed a MAF sensor that cost $850, plus installation.

[namdoogwerdna]

Hoping to drive one at least a bit by the end of the summer but we will see. For reference I have probbably totalled around 1000 miles in various Porsches. 2 Boxsters, a Boxster S, a 911 Turbo 996, and about 20 Carreras/Carrera 4. Some were stick, some were auto, some were coupe, some were convertible.

I never heard anything about Porsches being unreliable cars, I see them with high miles all the time. The catch is that maintenance is EXTREMELY expensive. I remember for the Boxster S (mentioned above) trade-in we got, it needed a MAF sensor that cost $850, plus installation.

Never said they were unreliable, just built sub-par to what they say they are. I've taken a handful apart. Really not much different from a nissan or a honda. Actually a bit sillier.

[CleanNeon98]

Never said they were unreliable, just built sub-par to what they say they are. I've taken a handful apart. Really not much different from a nissan or a honda. Actually a bit sillier.
They just have a different feel to them...the Nissan 350z I drove really put me down, it was just so bland and boring. I mean, a sports car that sold for 35kish new, and they couldnt do a better job on the door panels??

http://www.carstereohelp.com/images/Nissan350ZFSpk1122020301x.jpg
Its so bland and boring.

Or how Nissan likes to place their gauge clusters in last, making it seem like an afterthought, or that they just forgot about it. Nothing about them excites me, I'm sure the GT-R is different, but I may be biased because I didnt like it from the start.

[TurboTagTeam]

I went with the Porsche for a few reasons....

1. It's the most awesome looking car I'v seen in a long time
2. It's loud. I hate quiet cars
3. Stock rollcage
4. HELLA reliable
5. It has 3 pedals....I did a few track days in my SMG M3. It was fun but I still wanted a 3rd pedal.

6. AND THE BIGGEST......RE-Sale value. It's a freaking GT3rs. It'll ALLWAYS be worth alot of money

[one8turbo]

i would do anything for a gt3 rs......anything. THey look awesome (depending on color) have a roll cage (ballin) and sound AMAZING



that gets my vote.

[CleanNeon98]

I have a feeling the GT-R will fade away just like Eminem and Dr. Dre did, when the next thing comes out, everyone forgets.

Cars like the Ferrari F40, Porsche 911 turbo (whole line), etc will always be remembered. The GT-R, doubt it.

[omgjacki]

Oh geeze. This is a tough one. I might have to go with the GT3 RS. Yeah, I know, I'm like this huge Nissan groupie and all, butthe GT-R doesn't even come close to that Porsche.

With that said, the GT3 RS gets my vote.

[TurboTagTeam]

Cars like the Ferrari F40, Porsche 911 turbo (whole line), etc will always be remembered. The GT-R, doubt it.


Pull your head out of your ass. The skyline is the most famous sportscar to ever come out of Japan. It will allways be epic. They ripped back in the 70's, destroyed the competition in the 90's. And now they're about to hit us again with the new one. The skyline will NEVER be a let down.

[PoorMan'sR]

Pull your head out of your ass. The skyline is the most famous sportscar to ever come out of Japan. It will allways be epic. They ripped back in the 70's, destroyed the competition in the 90's. And now they're about to hit us again with the new one. The skyline will NEVER be a let down.

Thank You!

[sisforsurfing]

I have a feeling the GT-R will fade away just like Eminem and Dr. Dre did, when the next thing comes out, everyone forgets.

Cars like the Ferrari F40, Porsche 911 turbo (whole line), etc will always be remembered. The GT-R, doubt it.

I do not share this feeling. At all. Zero percent.

But this i feel, one hundred percent.
http://www.porsche.com/all/911gt3rs/images/page3.jpg

[omgjacki]

Considering they cost about the same, GT3 RS.

No they're not. The MSRP on a GT3 RS is $124,900. The MSRP on a GT-R is $70,000. The GT3 RS is selling for as much as almost $200,000 and the GT-R for about $110,000.

[TurboTagTeam]

I feel the price of Skyline's will drop considerably. The Porsche will ALLWAYS be more wanted. Look at the last RS's they made...they're allmost mythical.

[TGilb2007]

okay, you're right that's true. but i think you're way off base saying that the gtr has no excitement or passion around it. it's a skyline for christ sake, be it a new far changed version of what it used to be. it still has just as much heritage and "passion" as the porsche

Acutally, I think the amount of technology added into the GT-R does show a great passion towards the car. Yea, all of it is to assist the driver, make it more enjoyable for them to drive, and yada yada yada. But the thing is, the R&D, time, money, effort, energy, designing, and so forth, to me, SCREAMS passion for making a great supercar again for Nissan.

Yea, its not even close to hte R34 or other generations of skylines, but the measures of supercars has changed since then. People now want a lot of power, and a lot of other driving comforts when it comes to the car.

im not saying i've ever driven either of them, im looking at the solid facts, all the numbers, the price, the all around basis of the cars, i've always been a fan of skylines, never so much porsche, so yea a gtr will get me off, where as a porsche is a porsche, its a great car no doubt i just believe that the gtr is better...would you look at that, telling me to shut up did absolutely nothing.

To say a Porsche is a Porsche is a tad of an understatement. Yea, there are the cheaper Boxers and 911s and such, but then look at the GT1, GT2, and GT3, as well as the Carrera. Those cars are head turners, and for good reasons. You KNOW when there is a GT2 or GT3 behind you, just as much as a GT-R, Skyline, modded Civic, or a Cavalier there. Some you might not take as much time to look at, but you know what it is as soon as you see it.

they are both great cars, in their own right.

This is really the end to the arguement. Nissian came out, and made an amazing car, put down GREAT numbers both in power and torque, gave it a nice interior, and placed it on the same league as a ton of other great cars.

Porsche took a somewhat different approach, made a car for the sporty driver, who has a heavy right foot, and a quick left foot and right hand. Do these cars fit into the same league, for me yes, since I will not be able to afford one at some time. Is the GT3 a supercar, no... but if you think about it, the GT-R really isnt too super either (in comparison to other cars).


And finally, if I had to choose, I would go with the GT3. I don't need all the technology that is involved in the GT-R, nor do I really like the body lines of a GT-R either.

[Nors]

I have a feeling the GT-R will fade away just like Eminem and Dr. Dre did, when the next thing comes out, everyone forgets.

Cars like the Ferrari F40, Porsche 911 turbo (whole line), etc will always be remembered. The GT-R, doubt it.
What?
The GTR is not the first generation of the skyline. Skylines will be remembered as the Japanese super cars BANNED from competing in the JGTC due to destroying all competition. They have over 30 years of racing heritage.

Skylines history is rich, its just not on our continent.

That being said sign me up for the halloween themed gt3 rs please.

[namdoogwerdna]

who does no one else like the green?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_418/car_photo_209370_5.jpg

[S2K<3]

What?
The GTR is not the first generation of the skyline. Skylines will be remembered as the Japanese super cars BANNED from competing in the JGTC due to destroying all competition. They have over 30 years of racing heritage.

Skylines history is rich, its just not on our continent.

That being said sign me up for the halloween themed gt3 rs please.

thank you. talking about no "passion" it has just as much racing prestige as a porsche if not more

[eurotrashed]

Kelly Green GT3 RS FTW.

Or I will take the last generation in white with Blue wheels

[CleanNeon98]

Pull your head out of your ass. The skyline is the most famous sportscar to ever come out of Japan. It will allways be epic. They ripped back in the 70's, destroyed the competition in the 90's. And now they're about to hit us again with the new one. The skyline will NEVER be a let down.
More like the only one.
thank you. talking about no "passion" it has just as much racing prestige as a porsche if not more
Passion and Racing Prestige are 2 very different thinks cracker jack.

[TurboTagTeam]

More like the only one.

Datsun 510 and 280z

Passion? You'v been watching Top Gear too much. That **** is the biggest chiche.

[TGilb2007]

who does no one else like the green?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_418/car_photo_209370_5.jpg

Personally, I love that car. There was one (same color) at a local show here, all scuffed on the side from autocrossing the car, and hitting the cones.

[CleanNeon98]

Datsun 510 and 280z

Passion? You'v been watching Top Gear too much. That **** is the biggest chiche.
No that **** is my personal opinion, the fact that Clarkson and I happen to share one doesnt mean im just following around in his footsteps.

[S2K<3]

well if we're going to quote top gear "cracker jack" then here something to put in your pipe and smoke

#1 1:17.1 – Gumpert Apollo S
#2 1:17.3 – Ascari A10
#3 1:17.6 – Koenigsegg CCX (with "Top Gear Spoiler")
#4 1:18.4 – Pagani Zonda F
#5 1:18.9 – Maserati MC12
#6 1:19.0 – Ferrari Enzo
#7 1:19.5 – Ariel Atom 2 300
#8 1:19.7 – Nissan GT-R
#9 1:19.7 – Ferrari 430 Scuderia
#10 1:19.8 – Porsche Carrera GT
#11 1:19.8 – Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
#12 1:20.4 – Koenigsegg CCX [6]
#13 1:20.7 – Ascari KZ1
#14 1:20.9 – Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
#15 1:21.2 – Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
#16 1:21.9 – Ford GT
#17 1:22.3 – Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
#18 1:22.3 – Porsche 911 GT3 RS


that is the top quickest 18 cars around top gears track with the stig in the drivers seat. notice what is 8th and what is 18th

[S2K<3]

you're absolutely right though it's just a nissan after all

[CleanNeon98]

you're absolutely right though it's just a nissan after all
It is and I would still rather have the Porsche...id even rather have a standard Carrera than a GT-R

[S2K<3]

and for the record that atom you talked so highly about only finished .2 quicker. just for the record though

[CleanNeon98]

and for the record that atom you talked so highly about only finished .2 quicker. just for the record though
Doesnt matter, its still faster. And I was comparing it to a corvette, but even comparing it to a GT-R its MUCH cheaper, and I think it

a. looks better
b. is more fun to drive (dont know myself)
c. comes with a real manual
d. has everything you need and nothing you dont

[S2K<3]

and if you would pick a regular carrera over a gtr you shouldn't have a license

[namdoogwerdna]

more like the only one.

nsx? ?

[CleanNeon98]

and if you would pick a regular carrera over a gtr you shouldn't have a license
Why? I didnt know my opinion could be wrong, communist!
nsx? ?
ehh, that one is iffy. I like it but I think its a bit underpowered to be a supercar

[PoorMan'sR]

Why? I didnt know my opinion could be wrong, communist!

hahahahahahhahahahahaahahahaha, your calling the wrong kid a communist

[the4g63]

No they're not. The MSRP on a GT3 RS is $124,900. The MSRP on a GT-R is $70,000. The GT3 RS is selling for as much as almost $200,000 and the GT-R for about $110,000.

Oh, I was figuring the GT3 was actually going for its MSRP. I thought GTR's were selling for 130k (I know they're really 70-75k).

Either way, Porsche ftw. I plan on buying a GT2 when I win the Powerball tonight...

[DelCoTuninG]

hahahahahahhahahahahaahahahaha, your calling the wrong kid a communist

why's that lol.

Gt3 for sure.

Thing is wicked.
PROOF:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1292/943221670_22859c3706.jpg

[sean3]

Why? I didnt know my opinion could be wrong, communist!

ehh, that one is iffy. I like it but I think its a bit underpowered to be a supercar

That's nearly a direct quote from the short video of Jay Leno with the GT-R. Even if it was down on power, it still has much more power than your miata and it could run with the best of them in it's day. The NSX is a legend.

As much as I want a porsche, I'd have to get the GT-R. I just love everything about it. I like the exterior, the interior, the twin clutch auto trans *prepares to be crucified by diehard manual fans*, the AWD, the TT V6 making nasty power, and the mass amounts of technology that went into the car, even if it does make driving a bit less fun. Now if the ZR-1 was a choice...

[redg2]

also not sure if it was mentioned you cant rly tinker with the GTR unlike the RS..also if you take the GTR to teh track your gonna be screwed no more insurance and to get it back i think the check up they have to do on teh car is like 2gs

[Xavier]

I'd rather have a Lotus Exige than a GT-R.

As far as the given options, GT3 RS.

And maybe if you had ever driven a car with some soul you'd know what CN is talking about.

[namdoogwerdna]

also not sure if it was mentioned you cant rly tinker with the GTR unlike the RS..also if you take the GTR to teh track your gonna be screwed no more insurance and to get it back i think the check up they have to do on teh car is like 2gs

that was a rumor that was confirmed false, ask ozthunder he knows the details. why the hell would nissan make a track car that couldnt be tracked? its silly.

[sean3]

It only works like that in japan

[Oakes]

It is and I would still rather have the Porsche...id even rather have a standard Carrera than a GT-R


Man card, now.

[CleanNeon98]

That's nearly a direct quote from the short video of Jay Leno with the GT-R. Even if it was down on power, it still has much more power than your miata and it could run with the best of them in it's day. The NSX is a legend.

As much as I want a porsche, I'd have to get the GT-R. I just love everything about it. I like the exterior, the interior, the twin clutch auto trans *prepares to be crucified by diehard manual fans*, the AWD, the TT V6 making nasty power, and the mass amounts of technology that went into the car, even if it does make driving a bit less fun. Now if the ZR-1 was a choice...
I guess it boils down to preference but if I go fast, I want to go fast, not have the car do it for me. Id much rather be sweating for 20 minutes trying to get the GT3 RS around the Ring rather than jerking off for 7.xx while the GT-R basically drives for me. Sure you could turn the aids off, but then you still have a car that isnt as natural as the Porsche IMO.

edit: I also never compared it to my Miata, nor did I call my Miata a supercar, I compared it to other SUPERCARS, compared to which, the NSX is low on power!

[namdoogwerdna]

nsx is low on weight too.

[CleanNeon98]

nsx is low on weight too.
Curb weight 2950 lb (1338 kg) (1991–1996)

THATS LOW?!?!

[TGilb2007]

Curb weight 2950 lb (1338 kg) (1991–1996)

THATS LOW?!?!

Considering that the GT-R weighs in at closer to 3800lb at the curb, my vote is, yes. That is light.

The Other car in question with this thread, the GT3 RS, weighs in at 3031 lbs. 800 lbs lighter. So, it may not have the HP that the Nissian does, but instead, you save 800lbs of car to toss around.

[namdoogwerdna]

Considering that other cars in its class weigh in at closer to 3800lb at the curb, my vote is, yes. That is light.

The Other car in question with this thread, the GT3 RS, weighs in at 3031 lbs. 800 lbs lighter. So, it may not have the HP that the Nissian does, but instead, you save 800lbs of car to toss around.

thank you

[TGilb2007]

AND.... if you want to talk about HP/Weight... here are a couple of other numbers for you:

GT3 RS - 7.30hp/lb
GT-R - 8.65hp/lb
NSX (Since it was brought up). Power is 280bhp, weight is 2800lbs. That gives you a clean 10hp/lb.

So, there is a better power/weight ratio for the GT-R when we want to compare it to the GT3, but the NSX is still better....

[omgjacki]

I stand by my vote for the GT3 RS regardless.

[TGilb2007]

I stand by my vote for the GT3 RS regardless.

I stand by my vote of the GT3 as well. But, I tend to prefer Euro cars anyway when it comes to higher end performance.

[CleanNeon98]

AND.... if you want to talk about HP/Weight... here are a couple of other numbers for you:

GT3 RS - 7.30hp/lb
GT-R - 8.65hp/lb
NSX (Since it was brought up). Power is 280bhp, weight is 2800lbs. That gives you a clean 10hp/lb.

So, there is a better power/weight ratio for the GT-R when we want to compare it to the GT3, but the NSX is still better....
I never said anything about power/weight ratio, I just said its not a light car.

[sisforsurfing]

It is and I would still rather have the Porsche...id even rather have a standard Carrera than a GT-R

I mean, you can't technically be wrong with that statement since it's an opinion... but that's kind of silly. To each their own, though. I'm sure there are plenty of Porsche guys who would agree with you. I just really think you need to step inside a GT-R before making these statements. You're judging the interior and "soul" based upon your previous experiences with the 350Z. Totally different animals.

Datsun 510 and 280z

Passion? You'v been watching Top Gear too much. That **** is the biggest chiche.

hahah, well said.

rather than jerking off for 7.xx while the GT-R basically drives for me. Sure you could turn the aids off, but then you still have a car that isnt as natural as the Porsche IMO.
First, drive a GT-R with the electronic nannies on. I bet a zillion dollars you'd be slow as hell. Actually, make it two zillion. You'd probably still crash it if you really tried to drive it hard, too.
In a GT3 RS, I'd give you forty-five seconds at the limit before you end up backing the car into a bush/tree/pole.
Sorry for ranting. I appreciate your enthusiasm for 'purist' cars but you can't just keep droning on and on about this stuff without someone saying something.

[marshallpre1]

I never said anything about power/weight ratio, I just said its not a light car.

So what is light? I seriously hope you are not comparing your Miata to what is defined as "light". Here are some cars in a similar class:

Ferrari 360~ 3197 lbs
Porsche Cayman~ 2954 lbs
C6 Z06~3130 lbs
Carrera S~3100 lbs

[marshallpre1]

I mean, you can't technically be wrong with that statement since it's an opinion... but that's kind of silly. To each their own, though. I'm sure there are plenty of Porsche guys who would agree with you. I just really think you need to step inside a GT-R before making these statements. You're judging the interior and "soul" based upon your previous experiences with the 350Z. Totally different animals.



hahah, well said.


First, drive a GT-R with the electronic nannies on. I bet a zillion dollars you'd be slow as hell. Actually, make it two zillion. You'd probably still crash it if you really tried to drive it hard, too.
In a GT3 RS, I'd give you forty-five seconds at the limit before you end up backing the car into a bush/tree/pole.
Sorry for ranting. I appreciate your enthusiasm for 'purist' cars but you can't just keep droning on and on about this stuff without someone saying something.

Dude he drives a Miata so I'm sure he won't crash it...

I still don't know how you (CN) can make these statements without ever having driven one. Soul-less? WTF? Because you have driven other cars from the same manufacturer doesn't make you the expert on these two models

[CleanNeon98]

So what is light? I seriously hope you are not comparing your Miata to what is defined as "light". Here are some cars in a similar class:

Ferrari 360~ 3197 lbs
Porsche Cayman~ 2954 lbs
C6 Z06~3130 lbs
Carrera S~3100 lbs
My miata is a pig at 2500lbs. I consider an Elise to be light, granted its not in the same class however.

I didnt like the GT-R when it was announced, or when I saw it, and I dont like it now, and I dont think I ever will. Its not my kind of car, the Porsche is...I cant think of any Porsche aside from the Boxster that I wouldnt own. To boot, I like the sound of the Porsche wayyyyy more, they sound so RAW!

[Oakes]

I still don't know how you (CN) can make these statements without ever having driven one. Soul-less? WTF? Because you have driven other cars from the same manufacturer doesn't make you the expert on these two models

Thank you, I have driven quite a handful of exotics/supercars, just about every model Aston Martin (post 1997) Ferrari F430 and Maranello, Lamborghini Gallardo, Z06 (C6), Bentley Continental GT, the list goes on, but not these two.

However, I would prefer the GTR as my daily and track car over a GT3, the GT3 is practically a track car that you can drive on the streets. Fun, awesome and undeniably a phenomenal performer.

However, the GTR has more function as a car i can take around town and the track without getting a back ache or that screaming engine noise still in my head when i park it at night.

[TGilb2007]

I never said anything about power/weight ratio, I just said its not a light car.

The reason the power/weight ratio was being brought up was people complained about weight, and power numbers seem to be the only thing that matters, so I bought two and two together.

My miata is a pig at 2500lbs. I consider an Elise to be light, granted its not in the same class however.

Yea, the Elise is a feather at 1984lbs, with 189hp, at the curb. But, you have to remember, there are VERY few comforts that are in that car that you find standard in the GT-R, GT3, Your Miata, a Civic.... yada yada yada. There is no sound deading material, no radio, very thin carpet, light weight seats, and so on. All that stuff, it adds MORE weight to the car. Also, almost the whole car is fiberglass, which, guess what! Its lighter then metal! :roll:

But, I am going to continue this conversation to a brick wall. Maybe my chances of an intelligent arguement will come from there instead. :bigeek: :bigeek:

[PoorMan'sR]

I've driven a cavalier, integra, civic si, galant, highlander, prius, gti, is250(just in my driveway though), maxima, some bentley, clk55, accord wagon, focus, jetta wagon, the list goes on, however i have not driven either of these cars, and yes i know with my background of all the exotic cars i've driven its quite suprising i haven't driven one of these cars yet....wait a minute, im 19, no wonder...i still pick the gtr

[namdoogwerdna]

However, the GTR has more function as a car i can take around town and the track without getting a back ache or that screaming engine noise still in my head when i park it at night.

If you dont have back pain and a splitting headache then you are driving the wrong car.

[namdoogwerdna]

I've driven a cavalier, integra, civic si, galant, highlander, prius, gti, is250(just in my driveway though), maxima, some bentley, clk55, accord wagon, focus, jetta wagon, the list goes on, however i have not driven either of these cars, and yes i know with my background of all the exotic cars i've driven its quite suprising i haven't driven one of these cars yet....wait a minute, im 19, no wonder...i still pick the gtr

ive driven more cars than both you bitches :rotfl:

[PoorMan'sR]

ive driven more cars than both you bitches :rotfl:

i know, mine was a joke, but in all cerialness my sisters prius would smoke your 360 and do fwd donuts around nick's lambo

[CleanNeon98]

If you dont have back pain and a splitting headache then you are driving the wrong car.
hahah troof
The reason the power/weight ratio was being brought up was people complained about weight, and power numbers seem to be the only thing that matters, so I bought two and two together.



Yea, the Elise is a feather at 1984lbs, with 189hp, at the curb. But, you have to remember, there are VERY few comforts that are in that car that you find standard in the GT-R, GT3, Your Miata, a Civic.... yada yada yada. There is no sound deading material, no radio, very thin carpet, light weight seats, and so on. All that stuff, it adds MORE weight to the car. Also, almost the whole car is fiberglass, which, guess what! Its lighter then metal! :roll:

But, I am going to continue this conversation to a brick wall. Maybe my chances of an intelligent arguement will come from there instead. :bigeek: :bigeek:
No need to call me an idiot, I just prefer the Porsche to the Nissan, I stated my reasons, thats it.

For the record, my buddy has an 08 Elise, has Radio, has A/C, has a small trunk (mainly for keeping the top in there when you have it off). I will say though, from experience that its not a daily driver, AT ALL. Getting in and out is not easy, and if it had the top on it, I doubt I would have been able to get in and out of it.

When/If I drive the GT-R maybe my mind will change, but my general experience with Nissan's Sports cars that Ive driven (350z, 240sx) left me unimpressed. My experience with Porsches Ive driven (listed previously in this thread) had me very happy aside from the Boxster.

[TGilb2007]

The cars I have driven (more then in a driveway):

Legacy GT Wagon
1990 Cavalier Z24
Honda s2000
Mazda RX-8
Honda Civic (ton of trim levels/years)
Pilot
Oddessey
Rio
Mini Cooper S
VW GTI
VW Jetta Vr6 (both mk3 12v and mk4 24v)
Porsche Boxer
A ton of Nissan product.... and so on, and so forth. Have I driven either one of these cars? No. Can I, probably not anytime soon at a dealer. So, to base a fair opinion, I use the FACTS that are in front of me. Power, weight, transmission types, and so on, and so forth. THEN, I add a personal opinion, which has lead me to the Porsche.

Compare the GT-R to the Corvette ZR-1, and I will go with the Vette. GT-R vs x car, and I would consider it.


And, if you are looking for a Porsche for its comforts, you are in the wrong market.

[CleanNeon98]

The cars I have driven (more then in a driveway):

Legacy GT Wagon
1990 Cavalier Z24
Honda s2000
Mazda RX-8
Honda Civic (ton of trim levels/years)
Pilot
Oddessey
Rio
Mini Cooper S
VW GTI
VW Jetta Vr6 (both mk3 12v and mk4 24v)
Porsche Boxer
A ton of Nissan product.... and so on, and so forth. Have I driven either one of these cars? No. Can I, probably not anytime soon at a dealer. So, to base a fair opinion, I use the FACTS that are in front of me. Power, weight, transmission types, and so on, and so forth. THEN, I add a personal opinion, which has lead me to the Porsche.

Compare the GT-R to the Corvette ZR-1, and I will go with the Vette. GT-R vs x car, and I would consider it.


And, if you are looking for a Porsche for its comforts, you are in the wrong market.
I actually find Porsches to be quite comfortable. I have done 100 mile trips in Carreras and stepped out of them with 0 complaints.

[TGilb2007]

hahah troof

No need to call me an idiot, I just prefer the Porsche to the Nissan, I stated my reasons, thats it.

For the record, my buddy has an 08 Elise, has Radio, has A/C, has a small trunk (mainly for keeping the top in there when you have it off). I will say though, from experience that its not a daily driver, AT ALL. Getting in and out is not easy, and if it had the top on it, I doubt I would have been able to get in and out of it.

When/If I drive the GT-R maybe my mind will change, but my general experience with Nissan's Sports cars that Ive driven (350z, 240sx) left me unimpressed. My experience with Porsches Ive driven (listed previously in this thread) had me very happy aside from the Boxster.

I don't want you under the impression that I am trying to call you an idiot, since that is not what I am trying to say. You are just posting a very close minded answer about the car. We voted for the same one, but your are trying to post your opinion as FACT, and not as what it is, an opinion.

And yea, an Elise is not meant to be someones DD (though, a friend of mine also owns an 08 Elise, does with his). Also, the other Nissan sports cars you are comparing it to are no where near the same league as the GT-R. I too have driven a 350z around, and for a nice, mid-market sports car, it is a nice car, minus I dont like the blind spots in it. Same for the RX-8 and S2000 w/ the roof up (read, in the same class).

Again, sorry if I offened you in the first post, since I do not know you, I do not want to toss insults around a web forum.

[marshallpre1]

The reason the power/weight ratio was being brought up was people complained about weight, and power numbers seem to be the only thing that matters, so I bought two and two together.



Yea, the Elise is a feather at 1984lbs, with 189hp, at the curb. But, you have to remember, there are VERY few comforts that are in that car that you find standard in the GT-R, GT3, Your Miata, a Civic.... yada yada yada. There is no sound deading material, no radio, very thin carpet, light weight seats, and so on. All that stuff, it adds MORE weight to the car. Also, almost the whole car is fiberglass, which, guess what! Its lighter then metal! :roll:

But, I am going to continue this conversation to a brick wall. Maybe my chances of an intelligent arguement will come from there instead. :bigeek: :bigeek:

That's why I have waited til now to post in this thread... For the record, I thought I was gonna pick the GT3, but I really do want the GTR. As an engineer, all the technology just makes me oohhh and ahhhh

[CleanNeon98]

I don't want you under the impression that I am trying to call you an idiot, since that is not what I am trying to say. You are just posting a very close minded answer about the car. We voted for the same one, but your are trying to post your opinion as FACT, and not as what it is, an opinion.

And yea, an Elise is not meant to be someones DD (though, a friend of mine also owns an 08 Elise, does with his). Also, the other Nissan sports cars you are comparing it to are no where near the same league as the GT-R. I too have driven a 350z around, and for a nice, mid-market sports car, it is a nice car, minus I dont like the blind spots in it. Same for the RX-8 and S2000 w/ the roof up (read, in the same class).

Again, sorry if I offened you in the first post, since I do not know you, I do not want to toss insults around a web forum.
Spoken like a gentleman. For reference, I never meant to make them sound like facts, I never said the GT3 is better than the GT-R, but I may have said that I preffered one to the other and said why. Then some guy with a Subaru started throwing HIS opinions as facts, saying that the GTR is a better car, that its 10x better looking, etc. This argument has gone on so long I dont really remember who said what and I dont have the time or patience to go and start multi-quoting and looking for evidence considering the answer I will get from most posters is going to be something childish.

Until I drove my first Carrera, I didnt like Porsche at all, I always thought Ferrari was the dominant supercar manufacturer, and while a Carrera may not be a "supercar" it is a super car, its affordable, drives great, handles great, performs great, and I would definately buy a Porsche, for a weekend car or a daily driver because I think it does a great job at either. Given this, I can only assume the same about the GT3 RS, although I realize its "daily driver" usability is quite limited, and the GTR is probbably better at that, but my choice stands because even if I got the GTR I would not daily drive it and I think the GT3 is a more "purist" car as someone said before, so I would buy that no doubt.

[sean3]

Until I drove my first Carrera, I didnt like Porsche at all, I always thought Ferrari was the dominant supercar manufacturer, and while a Carrera may not be a "supercar" it is a super car, its affordable, drives great, handles great, performs great, and I would definately buy a Porsche, for a weekend car or a daily driver because I think it does a great job at either. Given this, I can only assume the same about the GT3 RS, although I realize its "daily driver" usability is quite limited, and the GTR is probbably better at that, but my choice stands because even if I got the GTR I would not daily drive it and I think the GT3 is a more "purist" car as someone said before, so I would buy that no doubt.

So there's a difference between "supercar" and "super car" other than the space between "super" and "car" :bigeek::confused::confused:

And by Carrera do you mean the base model Carrera? That makes 325hp here in 2008. How is that "super car" worthy if the NSX was "down on power" back in 91 with 270?

AND.... if you want to talk about HP/Weight... here are a couple of other numbers for you:

GT3 RS - 7.30hp/lb
GT-R - 8.65hp/lb
NSX (Since it was brought up). Power is 280bhp, weight is 2800lbs. That gives you a clean 10hp/lb.

So, there is a better power/weight ratio for the GT-R when we want to compare it to the GT3, but the NSX is still better....

Check your math :wink: It's lb/hp seeing as there's many more pounds of weight than horsepower. The GT3 RS has a much better power/weight ratio. The NSX is 2950hp 270hp (according to wikipedia at least...) making it 10.9lb/hp, that's as bad as my mustang! Power/weight is a fun paper racer figure but it's really meaningless. Power band and chassis/suspension setup are what matters.

[CleanNeon98]

So there's a difference between "supercar" and "super car" other than the space between "super" and "car" :bigeek::confused::confused:

And by Carrera do you mean the base model Carrera? That makes 325hp here in 2008. How is that "super car" worthy if the NSX was "down on power" back in 91 with 275?
A supercar is a supercar. A super car is just a great car...super car as in superb car, you know what I mean. I never said the Carrera was a supercar, and the NSX is pretty close, and I never called that a supercar either. Both a great cars, but were never quite there with the Ferraris and Lamborghinis.

[namdoogwerdna]

^ I think it depends on the generation of NSX

[Whitesupra94]

stick shift doesnt mean a whole lot....

for instance the VW DSG transmission actually has been shown to shift faster than a person with their 6spd manual.

but i like the porsche myself, im not a japanese car fan.

You know what I like about shifting my 6 speed manual...? Shifting.:-p

I could care less if a DSG cars shifts faster for me, because in the end I'm putting the car exactly where I want it, and it involves more skill than a poke of my finger. Thats what videogames are for.

Plus can't most VW DSG's only handle 295 ft/lb? Granted the GTR's is stronger, but its still a slushbox to me.

[Whitesupra94]

So there's a difference between "supercar" and "super car" other than the space between "super" and "car" :bigeek::confused::confused:

And by Carrera do you mean the base model Carrera? That makes 325hp here in 2008. How is that "super car" worthy if the NSX was "down on power" back in 91 with 270?



Check your math :wink: It's lb/hp seeing as there's many more pounds of weight than horsepower. The GT3 RS has a much better power/weight ratio. The NSX is 2950hp 270hp (according to wikipedia at least...) making it 10.9lb/hp, that's as bad as my mustang! Power/weight is a fun paper racer figure but it's really meaningless. Power band and chassis/suspension setup are what matters.

Don't forget rpm and .cd

[SovXietday]

When/If I drive the GT-R maybe my mind will change, but my general experience with Nissan's Sports cars that Ive driven (350z, 240sx) left me unimpressed.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You can't seriously be basing your opinion off of two sub par "sports cars" vs the GTR.

Read, Mr. Sports car.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6939

Technology wins.

[CleanNeon98]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You can't seriously be basing your opinion off of two sub par "sports cars" vs the GTR.

Read, Mr. Sports car.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6939

Technology wins.
Youre right, I shouldnt base my opinion that way.

But about the "technology wins", I am still old school.

[SovXietday]

Youre right, I shouldnt base my opinion that way.

But about the "technology wins", I am still old school.

That's fine, remember I still drive a 5speed with no ABS and soon to be very little everything else. I personally am not interested in driving a twin clutch finger flopper either.

However, to sit there and preach how these DSG transmissions and "nannies" are trash blah blah blah is rediculous. Just read the article I posted, it clearly stated that the drivers had to keep some of the assists on especially for the Z06 because otherwise it was practically undrivable.

Automakers are not racing to be the slowest car out there just to hand us basic 5 speed cars. The article even showed that the Exige lost to the Evo MR because it had to spend time shifting. You should be happy to see things like this coming out, it just means that auto racing as we know it is going to get even faster.

People bitched about the death of the carberator too you know.

[TGilb2007]

Check your math :wink: It's lb/hp seeing as there's many more pounds of weight than horsepower. The GT3 RS has a much better power/weight ratio. The NSX is 2950hp 270hp (according to wikipedia at least...) making it 10.9lb/hp, that's as bad as my mustang! Power/weight is a fun paper racer figure but it's really meaningless. Power band and chassis/suspension setup are what matters.

WHOOPS!!..... yea, this is why I never was really into the whole "math" thing :o

But thanks for the correction.

[namdoogwerdna]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You can't seriously be basing your opinion off of two sub par "sports cars" vs the GTR.

Read, Mr. Sports car.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6939

Technology wins.

the 240 isnt even a sub par sports car. its an economy car.

[marshallpre1]

That's fine, remember I still drive a 5speed with no ABS and soon to be very little everything else. I personally am not interested in driving a twin clutch finger flopper either.

However, to sit there and preach how these DSG transmissions and "nannies" are trash blah blah blah is rediculous. Just read the article I posted, it clearly stated that the drivers had to keep some of the assists on especially for the Z06 because otherwise it was practically undrivable.

Automakers are not racing to be the slowest car out there just to hand us basic 5 speed cars. The article even showed that the Exige lost to the Evo MR because it had to spend time shifting. You should be happy to see things like this coming out, it just means that auto racing as we know it is going to get even faster.

People bitched about the death of the carberator too you know.

QFT

adkaskldjaklsd (<<-- that's because it said QFT was too short)

[marshallpre1]

the 240 isnt even a sub par sports car. its an economy car.

Uh oh. You just opened a can of worms... Here come people to defend their cars...

[NJGOAT]

I've never driven either car, I don't think anyone here has judging by the posts that I've read. I have driven an entire stable of Porsche's just to try them out, but those were limited to the "regular" Boxster's, Cayman's and Carrera's...yes even the turbo model is "regular" when you start talking about the GT cars.

If it were my PERSONAL CHOICE, based on nothing else but my feelings toward the car I would pick the Porsche hands down. I have felt that every Porsche I have ever driven, including garden variety Boxster's just had a special feel about them. Porsche's across the entire range are simply awesome cars and certainly give me the tinglies whenever I get to drive one. One day, once the kids are grown, I will have one.

To me the GT-R is a tour-de-force in technological engineering. If a computer designed a car, it would design a GT-R. Now, I have never driven one, but I have sat in one. I feel that the car lacks what could best be described as a soul. You sit in the car and it is all techno business. Everything overwhelms you with the myriad options for displays and controls. There is no warmth to the interior even though the materials are of good quality. I suppose if I was part of the X-Box generation it would feel very comforting to me. In fact, the interior looks like it was designed by people playing Gran Turismo and Forza. Having read all the reviews it also seems that the car is without mincing words, perfect. If you are a ham fisted driver with no idea what you are doing the GT-R will still return blistering performance and never have you scared.

Porsche's (especially the GT3) are an entirely different story. Where as the GT-R looks and feels like an operating room, the Porsche looks and feels alive with the rich leather and perfectly designed...everything. There are no gimmicky computer screens, just straight up traditional dials and instrumentation replete with a perfect 6-speed manual. However, the Porsche is far from perfect. In fact, Porsche engineers did the dumbest thing ever and slung the 911's engine over the rear axle. They then spent the next 40+ years trying to fix that mistake. However, the edginess of the Porsche imparts the feeling that you are riding a rodeo bull and that feeling is amazing. YOU control the car. If YOU make a mistake, the car will get away from you and you'll be in a ditch. The edginess of the Porsche is what gives it a soul.

If you want a perfect car, buy a GT-R. If you want a perfect driving experience, buy a Porsche.

[BlkWhtTSI]

GT3 I don't really like the fact that the GTR is auto even though its a great tranny i like to grab a hold of a stick and jerk it around......no homo lolz

[CleanNeon98]

I've never driven either car, I don't think anyone here has judging by the posts that I've read. I have driven an entire stable of Porsche's just to try them out, but those were limited to the "regular" Boxster's, Cayman's and Carrera's...yes even the turbo model is "regular" when you start talking about the GT cars.

If it were my PERSONAL CHOICE, based on nothing else but my feelings toward the car I would pick the Porsche hands down. I have felt that every Porsche I have ever driven, including garden variety Boxster's just had a special feel about them. Porsche's across the entire range are simply awesome cars and certainly give me the tinglies whenever I get to drive one. One day, once the kids are grown, I will have one.

To me the GT-R is a tour-de-force in technological engineering. If a computer designed a car, it would design a GT-R. Now, I have never driven one, but I have sat in one. I feel that the car lacks what could best be described as a soul. You sit in the car and it is all techno business. Everything overwhelms you with the myriad options for displays and controls. There is no warmth to the interior even though the materials are of good quality. I suppose if I was part of the X-Box generation it would feel very comforting to me. In fact, the interior looks like it was designed by people playing Gran Turismo and Forza. Having read all the reviews it also seems that the car is without mincing words, perfect. If you are a ham fisted driver with no idea what you are doing the GT-R will still return blistering performance and never have you scared.

Porsche's (especially the GT3) are an entirely different story. Where as the GT-R looks and feels like an operating room, the Porsche looks and feels alive with the rich leather and perfectly designed...everything. There are no gimmicky computer screens, just straight up traditional dials and instrumentation replete with a perfect 6-speed manual. However, the Porsche is far from perfect. In fact, Porsche engineers did the dumbest thing ever and slung the 911's engine over the rear axle. They then spent the next 40+ years trying to fix that mistake. However, the edginess of the Porsche imparts the feeling that you are riding a rodeo bull and that feeling is amazing. YOU control the car. If YOU make a mistake, the car will get away from you and you'll be in a ditch. The edginess of the Porsche is what gives it a soul.

If you want a perfect car, buy a GT-R. If you want a perfect driving experience, buy a Porsche.
I abso****inglutely agree with the bold and EVERYTHING else you said! :afro:

[Oakes]

matt, when did you drive my galant?

goose, you are right, if it doesnt hurt you to drive the car. Then it isnt a true balls to the walls capable car, HOWEVER if i was to daily the car, which is what my decision is based on (because im against making my cars garage queens for twice a year driving) then the GTR is a much more suitable supercar. IMO.

[PoorMan'sR]

matt, when did you drive my galant?

i don't remember the specific event but it was either cause i was following you while you were in the altima or going to the dealership, or something like that

[Oakes]

i don't remember the specific event but it was either cause i was following you while you were in the altima or going to the dealership, or something like that

word, i recall now, dont know when but yeah you right.

[namdoogwerdna]

matt, when did you drive my galant?

goose, you are right, if it doesnt hurt you to drive the car. Then it isnt a true balls to the walls capable car, HOWEVER if i was to daily the car, which is what my decision is based on (because im against making my cars garage queens for twice a year driving) then the GTR is a much more suitable supercar. IMO.


well yeah if it was just for a dd i would seriously consider the gt-r... but like i said before i just cant get over how badass the porsche is

[Oakes]

well yeah if it was just for a dd i would seriously consider the gt-r... but like i said before i just cant get over how badass the porsche is

I agree, The porsche is Sex


SEX
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m243/nick240sx_2006/gt3rs07_141600.jpg


SEX



http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m243/nick240sx_2006/gt3rs07_061600.jpg

[namdoogwerdna]

I LIKE SEXX

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2008/04/16-22/borat.jpg