The Mazda MX5: great debate

[CleanNeon98]

The Mazda Miata. How do you percieve it??

[CHAOS]

theres no option for both.

[Snoozie]

theres no option for both.

Thats what I was thinking.

[pearl]

this poll is filled with vagina.

[TommyBDragon]

I know too many guys at the local SCCA events that run or want to get an older one to class it as a womans car. Def a sports car, and the best one in its class. And will be for a long time. The new MX-5 looks very promising. I like how its bigger, gives it more presence than the older gens.

[TROLL]

you love talking about your car... too much. we dont want to talk about it every day.

[Turbo s60R]

i bet a pocket book would fit perfectly on the pass seat....next to the lip stick and high heals

[the4g63]

...My mom wanted one. No go.

[93EGY8]

miatas are definatley awesome SCCA cars..but when i see a dude driving one i instantly think flamer..its nothing against you, i just consider them in the same boat as the scion's...they seem to be more of a female driven car.. *again nothing against miata or scion drivers* it sorta goes with the whole thing of people that drive civics are ricers... if you get what im saying..

[pearl]

ill say it first,

IBTL

[SovXietday]

We already told you dude, buy an STi and you will be accepted by TST.

[frosti108]

its a girly car until you have a cage/rollbar in it, along with tasteful modifications like subtle racing wheels, non farty performance exhaust....

[CleanNeon98]

We already told you dude, buy an STi and you will be accepted by TST.
Yea I know man I know...no boxer = no cool :roll:

I have no problem with my car, I bought it for the fact that it was a convertible and a sports car, noone really gives me any **** for it and so far everyone that has thrown any remark to me in person has been left many lengths behind. I am just curious to see how the rest of the tuner community sees them, cause all of the people I got into arguments about it were full blown ricers

[pearl]

ill argue.

miata = girls car.

[CHAOS]

lol @ you guys thinking you need a subaru to be accepted.



i see them as a good platform for racing... i would never drive one daily.

[pearl]

like people said before, if it was full blown race car, awesome.

i would never drive down the strip with the top down, trying to attract the laytays

[sean3]

Woman mobile status for life unless the driver is wearing a helmet.

[Turbo s60R]

ill argue.

miata = girls car.

i second that but.....

Volvo = old people :supz:

hahahhaha

[CHAOS]

IBcleanneonstartsdailydrivingwithahelmeton

[Turbo s60R]

hahahhahahhahaha

[SovXietday]

lol @ you guys thinking you need a subaru to be accepted.



i see them as a good platform for racing... i would never drive one daily.

I take it you didn't catch the joke.:-p

[pearl]

IBcleanneonstartsdailydrivingwithahelmeton

IBcleanneoncomplainsandthethreadgetslocked

[Turbo s60R]

IBcleanneoncomplainsandthethreadgetslocked

IBcleanneonputsonjeanjacketandcryshimselftosleep

[pearl]

in all seriousness, whats your definition of a sports car? ferrari, lambo = sports car?

[Turbo s60R]

different strokes for different folks

[CHAOS]

a sports car in my eyes, is a car that was designed with its main purpose being performance.

[CleanNeon98]

in all seriousness, whats your definition of a sports car? ferrari, lambo = sports car?
I percieve those as being supercars.

Here is how I see it

Miata etc = sports car
NSX, Carrera, etc. = Super Car/Sports Car
Murcielago, F430 = Supercar
Veyron = Showoff

[pearl]

would you consider a crx a sports car then? its the same exact thing as a miata.

no.

a super car to me is something that flies, and isnt just a car.

like a car and a house. maybe like an RV. thats a supercar.
or a car that can fly? boat car. serial.

[sean3]

in all seriousness, whats your definition of a sports car? ferrari, lambo = sports car?

A sports car is a vehicle that is built for performance and doesn't double as a giant neon "I LUFF PEENOR" billboard. The miata fails at being a sports car in that respect.

[Got Insulin?]

New Miatas=Girly, Older Miata w/ 5.0 swap, cage/rollbar=the shizzy nizzy.

[marshallpre1]

I have never met CleanNeon personally, but seriously, you need to STFU. Many of your threads are worthless. From my observation: you were trying to be accepted with your neon, then your civic, and now the miata. It's not the car...

[pearl]

of all the people to vote for sports car, i would have bet MONEY Action Park would be one of them.

[CleanNeon98]

A sports car is a vehicle that is built for performance and doesn't double as a giant neon "I LUFF PEENOR" billboard. The miata fails at being a sports car in that respect.
So do you consider your mustang a sports car?
I have never met CleanNeon personally, but seriously, you need to STFU. Many of your threads are worthless. From my observation: you were trying to be accepted with your neon, then your civic, and now the miata. It's not the car...
Im sorry you misunderstand me in that respect, but I really dont care about being "accepted". I bought my car because I liked it, if I wanted what other people liked I would have bought a Subaru

[marshallpre1]

So do you consider your mustang a sports car?

Im sorry you misunderstand me in that respect, but I really dont care about being "accepted". I bought my car because I liked it, if I wanted what other people liked I would have bought a Subaru

Well then, why all of these threads pertaining to your car? It's like your adamant to prove to everyone that the miata is a sports car. The miata is a girly car. And it IS a sports car. So there. It is a sports car, but your car is still girly.

If you're happy with the car, who cares about what other people think.

[CleanNeon98]

Well then, why all of these threads pertaining to your car? It's like your adamant to prove to everyone that the miata is a sports car. The miata is a girly car. And it IS a sports car. So there. It is a sports car, but your car is still girly
Because I used to see them as bitch cars until I drove one as well. The car has a lot of history and engineering behind it, and I just want to see how other people think of them. Ive been talking about the miata even before I had one. I dont care what they think of MY car, and me having one, but I am curious about an opinion on the Miata in general

[pearl]

if you didnt care what people thought about your rig you wouldnt have made this post.

[Silverfc88]

I voted sports car. I don't see alot of women driving them for some reason. I see more older men than anything else.

[Action Park]

93
Sure, why not? The miata mimics the older open sports cars like the xk jags, and all sorts of british and italian roadsters that were perceived as the definition of what a sports car is. Rumor has it Mazda even bought an Alfa spider to copy its exact exhaust note.
A girl's car is one that is strongly marketed towards girls. The original miata obviously was not. As an example of a car that was strongly marketed towards females, look at the new beetle. But lets not confuse a car that was marketed towards girls with a car with feminine lines. I feel that some autos have lines that mimic femineity or masculinity. In this regard, I feel that the Jaguar xke(e-type) is the spitting image of a feminine car. Yet is it demasculating for a man to drive one? Heck no. Note how most captains refer to their ships as a lady.
Even so, it is quite ignorant to regard a male that drives a (marketed towards) girl car as homosexual. Femineity and homosexuality are not directly related!! There are feminine acting males that are completely straight just as there are gay ones that are extremely masculine.
93 93/93

[marshallpre1]

if you didnt care what people thought about your rig you wouldnt have made this post.

That's what I was trying to get at!

[redline]

I think they are meant to hit the track....do it right!

[sean3]

So do you consider your mustang a sports car?

No. Sports cars have to be able to turn.

[CHAOS]

No. Sports cars have to be able to turn.

thank god you said it before i did lol

[MuddyREX]

I voted sports car. I don't see alot of women driving them for some reason. I see more older men than anything else.

Exactly. I see a lot of older guys driving them. I like Miatas. They are an absolute hoot to drive, and although quick, they won't get you killed.

[KingOfDelco]

C. Both. There is nothing that says a woman's car can't be quick and sporty... Look up "Quick Woman's Sports car" on wikipedia- theres a pic of a miata.


of course, the second you swap a better motor into it, its no longer a "woman's car". ftw

[Turbo s60R]

no. Sports cars have to be able to turn.

hahahhaha

[the4g63]

If it becomes quicker than my car I won't call it a womans car because I will never admit I got beaten by a womans car.

2g DSM's are chick cars.

I joke.

[CleanNeon98]

No. Sports cars have to be able to turn.
Thats the FIRST time Ive heard a mustang guy say that, and I <3 you for it :lol:

[amit]

would you consider a crx a sports car then? its the same exact thing as a miata.


WRONG


The miata is rwd and the engine is almost a front midship (however every Miata owner will tell you it is indeed a front midship), those are not attributes of a cheap economy car with a bit of "fun" to it...which is what the crx is.


I think the miata is mostly a chick car unless you have a hardtop and some 15-16 inch bbs wheels.

[Scapegoat]

there is a 1st gen miata here at work... it looks like ****. Rear bumper cracked, huuuuge patch on the top... I love it... its the perfect car to be turned into a race car... rip off the convertible top, slam on a roll cage, throw on some r-comps and go to ****ing town.

As far as your's goes though... it's only a woman's car because you drive it and because you make ridiculous threads about your car. All you're doing is posting threads every week about it and using those threads as an excuse to "defend" your choice and to "defend" miatas... it's pointless...

[pearl]

WRONG


The miata is rwd and the engine is almost a front midship (however every Miata owner will tell you it is indeed a front midship), those are not attributes of a cheap economy car with a bit of "fun" to it...which is what the crx is.


I think the miata is mostly a chick car unless you have a hardtop and some 15-16 inch bbs wheels.

so because its rwd, it makes it uber l33t sports car? does that make a ford ranger a sports car? then a mustang would be as well, since its rwd.

the miata is a cheap economy car as well, its just rwd.

[KingOfDelco]

As far as your's goes though... it's only a woman's car because you drive it and because you make ridiculous threads about your car. All you're doing is posting threads every week about it and using those threads as an excuse to "defend" your choice and to "defend" miatas... it's pointless...



Case closed.

[pearl]

Case closed.
we should make a "is a tC a girl car thread" too

[Turbo s60R]

we should make a "is a tC a girl car thread" too

No need for a thread.... the answer is simple

yes

[CHAOS]

we should make a "is a tC a girl car thread" too

cause it is lol

[D Money]

i'd rather see a chick driving a miata then you alexander.

who wants to see that curly ass russian man hair getting blown through the wind when i'd rather see a half nude blonde with the top down looking like a garnier frutis commerical.

my vote goes for womens vert.

get a cabrio next time.

[Turbo s60R]

i'd rather see a chick driving a miata then you alexander.

who wants to see that curly ass russian man hair getting blown through the wind when i'd rather see a half nude blonde with the top down looking like a garnier frutis commerical.

my vote goes for womens vert.

get a cabrio next time.

classic:lol:

[wheresmycar]

there is a 1st gen miata here at work... it looks like ****. Rear bumper cracked, huuuuge patch on the top...

When was I at your workplace?

Somebody wanted to put a smile on top with their knife. I'm not fixing it to get slashed again.

In the area I see 25% women in them but more likely in the newest models.
I vote slow sports car!

Man law : no 2 guys can be in a convertible with the top down.

[Tru2Blu]

Can someone fill me in on why this guy gets ripped on all the time? besides the curly hair russian thing?

[Renegade_]

Can someone fill me in on why this guy gets ripped on all the time? besides the curly hair russian thing?

Search Cleanneon98 in search and read it all.

[Nors]

Both.

[Evo8kid]

you love talking about your car... too much. we dont want to talk about it every day.

thank you. this is why you are the Don

[Signatus230]

I only like my Miatas with a cage, slammed, and ready for a track. Thats it, otherwise, its a womens cars. Straight up.

[Scapegoat]

When was I at your workplace?

Somebody wanted to put a smile on top with their knife. I'm not fixing it to get slashed again.

In the area I see 25% women in them but more likely in the newest models.
I vote slow sports car!

Man law : no 2 guys can be in a convertible with the top down.

patch on this one is a huge, 18"x18" i'd assume, over the passenger area.

The person that owns the cars works at my place of employment...

[i like rice]

I'm selling my car. You're giving me a bad rep here.

[CleanNeon98]

Case closed.
If you say it, it MUST be true!

[TurboTagTeam]

They handle and stop great. But you look like a sissy when you drive them.

This is why I bought an FD. THAT's a MANS Mazda. And it's has all the good attributes of the miata and none of the draw backs. Plus it's a hell of alot faster.

[Renegade_]

This is why I bought an FD. THAT's a MANS Mazda. And it's has all the good attributes of the miata and none of the draw backs. Plus it's a hell of alot faster.
FCs, FDs, RX8s (underpowered but the chassis geometry works), MS3, and MS6s are the backbone of the mazda sport cars.

[i like rice]

This is why I bought an FD. THAT's a MANS Mazda. And it's has all the good attributes of the miata and none of the draw backs. Plus it's a hell of alot faster.

The reliability and good gas mileage of a rotary? If the FD had a piston engine, I'd be all over it.

[i like rice]

FCs, FDs, RX8s (underpowered but the chassis geometry works), MS3, and MS6s are the backbone of the mazda sport cars.

Pass me what you're smoking.

[FocusDude]

I want one so bad, wifey says she won't drive it cause it's to chickey. I said paint it pink whatever.

[i like rice]

I said paint it pink whatever.

how about fuschia? lol
http://asianguywithacamera.com/temp/msm_pink.jpg

[Renegade_]

Pass me what you're smoking.
MS6 w/bolt on turbo kit on stock fuel system breaks 350whp. Thats what mazda guys have been telling me. Now, explain to me again how thats not a sports car.

[Scapegoat]

MS6 w/bolt on turbo kit on stock fuel system breaks 350whp. Thats what mazda guys have been telling me. Now, explain to me again how thats not a sports car.

easy horsepower doesn't make it a sports car...

if that were true, my neon would be considered a sports car...

[Renegade_]

What are you going on... weight? See: any AMG mercedes, MS6s weigh less
Drivetrain orientation? See: Evos and STis, MS6s are AWD too
Interior commodities? See: The M series, MS6s have less

[CleanNeon98]

MS6 w/bolt on turbo kit on stock fuel system breaks 350whp. Thats what mazda guys have been telling me. Now, explain to me again how thats not a sports car.
Personally, I dont consider AWD to be a sports car...in my eyes, its just another assist.

[i like rice]

chassis, handling, transmission, balance, steering feedback, braking, fun factor

everyone's definition of a sports car is different so there's no one correct answer. What makes an Austin Healey Sprite a sports car but an M100 Elan not a sports car? Simple - the M100 Elan's FF layout killed the handling and steering feedback. You have to drive some of the true sports cars to get an idea or the feeling of what it is like for the driver to be connected to the vehicle. People bash the RX7/RX8 but Mazda has always stuck to their roots; those vehicles define what a sports car should feel like - great brakes, superb handling, smooth transmission, strong chassis, etc

[Renegade_]

Personally, I dont consider AWD to be a sports car...in my eyes, its just another assist.
So a 911 turbo, an evo, an sti, a gallardo, R32-34 skylines, a GT-R, and...

Your dumb.

[jdm free]

Search Cleanneon98 in search and read it all.

hahahahaa


but on topic...i think the older ones are great autox/race cars if done right. but all are chick cars

[amit]

so because its rwd, it makes it uber l33t sports car? does that make a ford ranger a sports car? then a mustang would be as well, since its rwd.

the miata is a cheap economy car as well, its just rwd.

You missed the point completely. I'm saying that the miata IS a cheap economy car...it just doesn't have the attributes of one (other than the underpowered engine). What other economy cars are rwd with a front midship? The car is setup very similarly to an s2000.

I also never said anything about it being a "uber l33t sports car". It's just a great car for the price. Granted I would never be seen in one...



I vote womens car. Cleannenon, stop being self conscious. As long as you like your car, it shouldn't really matter.

[TommyBDragon]

FCs, FDs, RX8s (underpowered but the chassis geometry works), MS3, and MS6s are the backbone of the mazda sport cars.

You are forgetting the little 4 door that kick started Mazda's US Mazdaspeed lineup...the Mazdaspeed Protege. Back in 03 it was the **** hands down.

[CleanNeon98]

So a 911 turbo, an evo, an sti, a gallardo, R32-34 skylines, a GT-R, and...

Your dumb.
supercar, rally car, rally car, supercar, "supercars", supercar

Sorry

[Evo8kid]

what is an RS4? (not just talking about my car, but its a prime example.) its by no means a supercar, and not a rally car..

so supercars are not sportscars?


...and 4 door cars are not sedans..righhhtttt

[the4g63]

so supercars are not sportscars?

+1

Right?

[Renegade_]

supercar, rally car, rally car, supercar, "supercars", supercar

Sorry
A rally car isn't a sports car? Why are you so intent on juxtaposing the label of sports car onto all the definitions associated with your chassis?

A skyline in japan was 280hp stock because of the gentleman's agreement back in the 90s to early 2000s. From the factory the evo, sti and skyline were essentially neck and neck. Supercar my ass. They are only a supercar when you bolt twin GT28s onto it. Same goes with the GT4, Supra, etc. Gentleman's agreement.

I could take a 4G63 talon, throw as much money at it as it takes to do twin disco potatos on an RB26 and be as fast. Is the talon a supercar?

And lastly, isn't rally racing a sport? :roll:

You aren't part of an exclusive sports car club that carries the mystique of sports car. A miata is an econobox just like a 240, you just happened to get a turbo with it that really doesn't crank out impressive numbers. My friends turbo integra, a 1.8L cranked out 340whp at 11psi. As a sports car, your car should be a little faster, shouldn't it? Or at least crank out higher numbers? The integra is a POS econobox according to your definition. A sports car should have potential. Where is yours?

Go autocross sometimes and I bet that in STM civic hatches will hand your "sports car" a spanking. You may think its a sports car, but that doesn't mean you go around saying other cars are unfit to have that title when they clearly have a more balanced performance edge over you.

[K-Rex]

I'm not here to invalidate/validate anyone's inferiority, I am not here to partake in any flaming or arguments.

After many years of reading bout Miatas from people who know cars and like to drive, I finally decided to get one. It was old, it was beat, and it was one of best cars I have ever driven (I used to work at Reedman's and had lots of test track time in lots of cars)

For the money, the reliability, and pure driving fun, a Miata will not be beat. And I say this as someone who used to own JeffrosSpecV wagon.

I would go out an buy another in a second if I didn't need something for a wife, two dogs, (and prob kids soon).

When you find something you like to drive, who gives a **** what others think. There's prob a bunch of beat up ugly ass 240s, Hondas, and DSMs in here pointing fingers that they shouldn't.

[CleanNeon98]

what is an RS4? (not just talking about my car, but its a prime example.) its by no means a supercar, and not a rally car..

so supercars are not sportscars?


...and 4 door cars are not sedans..righhhtttt
You have what I call a sports sedan
A rally car isn't a sports car? Why are you so intent on juxtaposing the label of sports car onto all the definitions associated with your chassis?

A skyline in japan was 280hp stock because of the gentleman's agreement back in the 90s to early 2000s. From the factory the evo, sti and skyline were essentially neck and neck. Supercar my ass. They are only a supercar when you bolt twin GT28s onto it. Same goes with the GT4, Supra, etc. Gentleman's agreement.

I could take a 4G63 talon, throw as much money at it as it takes to do twin disco potatos on an RB26 and be as fast. Is the talon a supercar?

And lastly, isn't rally racing a sport? :roll:

You aren't part of an exclusive sports car club that carries the mystique of sports car. A miata is an econobox just like a 240, you just happened to get a turbo with it that really doesn't crank out impressive numbers. My friends turbo integra, a 1.8L cranked out 340whp at 11psi. As a sports car, your car should be a little faster, shouldn't it? Or at least crank out higher numbers? The integra is a POS econobox according to your definition. A sports car should have potential. Where is yours?
Well for one I judge cars when they are stock. Anything can be made into anything really, so no I wouldnt say a DSM faster than a Gallardo is any kind of supercar. The difference between your buddie's Integra and a sports car is that sports cars are balanced. I am willing to bet anything that he has traction issues. My car (and im not putting it on a pedestal here) is hard pressed to break the wheels loose in a corner (mind you its boosted, and I am pushing out a bit more power than stock as well). 90 degree turn, first gear, foot down, back end only comes out a LITTLE. The car never feels unstable. If your buddy hammers his car in a corner even in 3rd gear I bet he will understeer straight off the road.

It goes back to what I said before, I think in another thread.

To me the best sports car is a simple one.

3 pedals, a gear lever, steering wheel, RWD, no technological crap to help the driver go faster than he/she really can. This is why I consider cars like the S2000, MR2, MX5, etc. to be sports cars, even though you might disagree.

There have been I think close to or more than 1,000,000 MX5 miatas sold since 1989, you cant tell me that all of these people track prepped them, or are women that use them as cruisers. Obviously people felt something you didnt, have you ever even driven one?

[Renegade_]

You have what I call a sports sedan

Well for one I judge cars when they are stock. Anything can be made into anything really, so no I wouldnt say a DSM faster than a Gallardo is any kind of supercar. The difference between your buddie's Integra and a sports car is that sports cars are balanced. I am willing to bet anything that he has traction issues. My car (and im not putting it on a pedestal here) is hard pressed to break the wheels loose in a corner (mind you its boosted, and I am pushing out a bit more power than stock as well). 90 degree turn, first gear, foot down, back end only comes out a LITTLE. The car never feels unstable. If your buddy hammers his car in a corner even in 3rd gear I bet he will understeer straight off the road.

Weren't you the one in the other thread saying something about traction control being bull**** and its all about the right foot? Come on, get some consistency here...

[Evo8kid]

You have what I call a sports sedan



so YOU are saying a sedan isnt a car?.. its just a sedan. even though "you" call it, doesnt mean its correct

you dont have a sports car you have a sport convertable. Stop trying to play with the technicalities. Face it, its a sports car. I can go all day long. A supercar is a sports car, a rally car is a sports car, a sedan can be a sports car, a vert can be a sports car, a hatch can be a sports car.

[Spocknasty]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

[sherwood]

bitch car.

[Spocknasty]

Sherwood is a bitch car.

[Renegade_]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car
Yes, wikipedia, the source of all objective information.

Wikipedia is good for facts, not cultural definitions.

[CleanNeon98]

so YOU are saying a sedan isnt a car?.. its just a sedan. even though "you" call it, doesnt mean its correct

you dont have a sports car you have a sport convertable. Stop trying to play with the technicalities. Face it, its a sports car. I can go all day long. A supercar is a sports car, a rally car is a sports car, a sedan can be a sports car, a vert can be a sports car, a hatch can be a sports car.
If you want to call it that, go ahead. You dont agree with me, and I dont agree with you, who cares. The main point of this thread was to get feedback on the MX-5.
Weren't you the one in the other thread saying something about traction control being bull**** and its all about the right foot? Come on, get some consistency here...
I dont have traction control, neither does he, but I will still out manuever him all day, the cars are completely different.

[Evo8kid]

If you want to call it that, go ahead. You dont agree with me, and I dont agree with you, who cares. The main point of this thread was to get feedback on the MX-5.



yea but you turned it around, trying to make it like your miata is one of the best sports cars in the world, Purely because you are emilinating as much as possible from the category

[TROLL]

The problem here is you are trying to force labels on something... its pointless. Give up...

[sherwood]

Sherwood is a bitch car.

our friendship is over!





JAYYKAYYY! I LOVE ME SOME SPOCK.

[Evo8kid]

The problem here is you are trying to force labels on something... its pointless. Give up...

^agreed

[CleanNeon98]

The problem here is you are trying to force labels on something... its pointless. Give up...
I just call it how I see it.
yea but you turned it around, trying to make it like your miata is one of the best sports cars in the world, Purely because you are emilinating as much as possible from the category
I never said that, I just like the fact that its simple and takes more effort by the driver to go fast, its not all electronically fed to you, its why I dont like some of these newer cars, they take away from DRIVING and make taking a sharp corner at high speed more like cruising because the driver has to do basically nothing. Thats how sports cars used to be, and its what they grew out of.

[TROLL]

I just call it how I see it.
can you tell me what you mean by that because i don't follow. seems more like you mindlessly pulled a cliche out of your ass...

[sherwood]

miata's are just not a car for a guy dude..and an all around race car? i bet my R would show u the biz in auto x.

its just seeing a guy in a new beatle..you just know their gay.

[the4g63]

If I removed my ACD, I could still run laps around a Miata. ^ truth.

[TROLL]

miatas are pretty sweet... but this thread, and any thread similar to this one, are not sweet at all.

[CleanNeon98]

can you tell me what you mean by that because i don't follow. seems more like you mindlessly pulled a cliche out of your ass...
I spent the last few pages explaining it

[CleanNeon98]

Here is a writeup I found


Several times I have seen posts, where the little Miata is put down as a girly car. I started this post with a little bit of a mad on. People making fun of my favorite car. The more I wrote the more I realized I did the same things when I was young and then I started laughing. Please accept my humble words with the love I have intended.

Now for some mind changing. The Miata is a car that comes out of the box ready to take to the track and have fun.

The engine, no the entire car, is designed to shift at 7200 rpm every single shift, all day long. No other car can take that kind of abuse. I know, because, I have destroyed: 2 Corvettes, 1 Viper, 2 BMW’s, a couple of Porsche’s several Mopars, GM’s, and Ford’s and a Jag or two. I have a very aggressive driving style and I live in a rural area with few houses and very little traffic. Most of our houses are 1/4 to ½ mile from the road (horse and cattle country). Most of the cars I have abused, lasted about 35k and then I start having major problems and so I get rid of them.

The ignition system in the Miata cannot be improved on. There are no ignition systems on the market which will improve the stock system. Just by changing the stock timing from 10 degrees to 28 degrees produces a 12/15 Hp increase. More then enough to put down the S2k or MR2. All of the magazine comparisons use stock tuning on the vehicles during the tests. If the Miata timing is changed to 28 degrees, then there is no contest.

The lower block assembly will withstand 30 psi turbo boost plus a shot of N02 at the same time and still live for over 100,000 miles. That’s about 550 Hp out of a 1.8L for those with inquiring minds. You’ll need a six speed to handle that kind of power.

This little engine will not self destruct if the timing belt blows. It comes with a redline limiter set at 7200 which shuts of the fuel. Maita engineers say. “Bump that thing all you want”

There is nothing on the market which will improve the engine breathing except a CAI and a turbo muffler. These two changes produce about 15 Hp. The headers which are available only produce a few Hp. Yea, there are cams and pistons and big valve kits, but none of them have shown more than a 4-5 Hp gain over stock. That’s a lot of money for very little Hp gain.

The brakes were increased in size in 1991 and again in 1999. I have never had a problem with the brakes overheating or fading or failing to stop, ever. With the Miata, I have been on the track several times for hours at a time with no problem. I did change to steel reinforced hoses, it adds a better feel to the brakes. Brake fade was a constant headache on the Viper and I spent a lot of money trying to correct it. The Viper also loves to come out of a corner backwards, it should have a steering wheel in the trunk.

The stock Miata with the RS package will do .84 on the skid pad. Just add springs, adj shocks, and sway bars, and the car will do 1.04 on the pad. I am sure that could be improved on with fine tuning. I talking about out of the box install and a new aggressive alignment and go hit 1.04. I have taken 90 degree turns at 70 mph (70 going in and 80 coming out), and I’m a scared old man. A power slide in a car this light is a wonderful thing to feel and behold.

Turbo kits are available and the cost varies from $2500 to $5000. If you’re good, and know what your doing you can improve on those costs. My intercooler and blowoff valve, are Mitsubishi. My injectors are RX7. You can save a lot of money if you roam around a junkyard for a while. Try 18 psi on a Ford, Mopar or Chevy and still get 100k (gee, where is that rod and piston catalog?).

The little car weighs between 1800 - 2200 lbs. That’s almost 1200 less then most cars out there.
The highest weight difference I have seen between the front wheels and the back wheels was 7 lbs. My car running 16/18 PSI has 340 Hp @ 1821 lbs (with me in it). Calc that Dog.

The shifter is the absolute best of any car on the road today. It is like stirring warm butter, It is only slightly gated and it just seems to know where you want it to go. There is no real side to side motion with this gearshift, except for reverse. I have never missed a shift with this shifter, and I have never had to hunt for a gear. I can’t say that for the Viper and Corvette.

The little car from 1995 on comes with a limited-slip diff, which really hooks up with 10 inch wides on the back.


For those of you that want to look bad, Wings West has a sharp looking body kit for $750, that actually improves aerodynamics a small amount. I believe WeaponR has a Ninja style kit that looks AWESOME. I have the Wings stuff. The stock body has been wind tested at +200Mph, that’s 50 mph faster then the Cobra which hits a wall at 150 mph. The Cobra just doesn’t want to go faster, no matter how big the engine, it grunts and strains for every mph after 150.

Show me another car like the Miata, where you can log on the net and talk to the head engineer who designed the car.

Now, I’ll be the first to admit that nothing sounds good like a big bore V8, running dual glass packs , and a set of solid roller tappets, trying to idle off that big cam. That’s the sweetest sound in the world. That’s why a company called Monster Miata, in California, puts 5.0L ford engines in Miatas.

I have had my Miata since 1996. I have driven the pi$$ out of it. At 38,000 miles, I added the turbo, because I got beat by a neighbor with his new Mustang GT. Since that time the little car has never been beaten, and no one will even try me anymore. Now that is no great brag or feat, since I live in the middle of Oklahoma, not really the speed capital of the world. I’m sure the west coast guys have some great cars that could blow my doors off, but I bet they have a lot more money in their cars than I do. So now I just go to the track on weekends, and have fun going in a circle. I still drive the heck out of it, I just don’t race anymore on the street. Oh, I did get a ticket for 134 mph once, back in 2003. (Cost me $1700). Good thing, I was letting off the gas. The cop said he was going to go out and celebrate that night. He had the biggest s**t eating grin on his face I have ever seem.

In 1992, I sold my Cobra to an attorney friend of mine. He drives it maybe three or four times a year. After I installed my turbo, I let him get behind the wheel of my little Miata. He bought a brand new one 2 weeks later, and three weeks after that we supercharged it. He drives it to work every day. Now this guy is like me, we can buy any car we want. We both choose the girly Miata as our daily driver.

The little car has never leaked a drop of fluid on my floor, and the only maintenance I have performed is plugs, brake pads, and oil changes. A compression test at 70,000, showed the same readings that the car had when new, except for one cylinder which was 2 psi low (probably the Mobile 1).


The 1980 Triumph was just about the last two seat sports car sold here in the US (I have one). In 1989, Mazda brought out the Miata. It sold like hot cakes. I can assure you of the 700,000 that have been bought, not all of those were bought by women. It took almost six years for the other car companies to catch up and produce a two seat roadster. Now nearly every company makes one now, because of the success of the Miata.

Spec Miata racing has become the fastest growing motor sport here in the US, for the last two years. Last year alone, 24 tracks opened up season access to Miata racers. Miata SCCA racing is booming here. Most of the people I know, drive the Miata to the track and race and then drive the car home. It never enters their minds that the car may quit on them. I know two guys who pull small trailers with their Miatas, just to haul their track tires. In a six hour SCCA Enduro race at the Dallas International Speedway this year, Miata took the first five places. Corvette took 6th and 7th, and a Viper took 9th. There were no MR’s or S2K's in the top twenty. You can read and compare all you want from the mags but, the track will always offer the best proof. Don’t pay a lot of attention to these Vets and Vipers going around the track in those big races. Those cars have another $250k thrown in them to make them competitive. Quite a feat for a girly car.

There are people who sit and read about cars, and there are people who go out into the world and drive and enjoy cars. There are guys who can sit and quote Hp and handling charts and can’t drive to the Seven Eleven without breaking a half dozen traffic laws. I am the kind of guy that will ride my motorcycle when it’s sleeting, or put the top down and take a 300 mile trip during the winter, because I want to hear the exhaust. Hell, my bass boat has been clocked at 105 by a park ranger. He wanted to know where I was going, since the lake was only 5 miles long. “Chasing the biggest bass I have ever seen,” I said. Remember guys,” a boat, is a hole surrounded by water that you constantly throw money into”.

It always seems to be the readers, who have never driven a car at 160mph, or don’t know how to drive a manual shift, or have never been on a track, or the young cubs who should have been eaten by their parents, who feel they can run down someone else’s car because it doesn’t meet their approval. Every car I have ever driven has had good and bad things about them. Some of those cars, I really liked, until I drove them, and some that I hated were really fun to drive. I feel that if you haven’t driven a particular car for a couple of hundred miles, then you got no right to put it down. I don’t like Fords. But Ford has made some beautiful cars and they have produced some great engines. I just don’t like the way they feel and handle. Not that they are not good cars but, to me handling and feel is what it is all about. Looks are the last thing I am concerned with. Reading every book in the world will not make you a better driver, only seat time will do that. Everything you drive will improve your skills in some way. Now isn’t that what it’s all about?

My life has allowed me to enjoy my hobby more than most. I hope that you too will be able to enjoy the hobby as much as I have. But when you put down somebody’s car, Hell, you might as well go shoot one of their kids. You have just made an enemy. If you’re at a young age, that enemy, may the guy that was getting ready to offer you that 100K a year job you were looking for. Why do young people burn all their bridges behind them today?

So you want to drive that new BMW or that new JAG, no problem. When I was young and stupid, I used to borrow Dad’s Caddie and put on my suit and go car testing. I would pull into a dealer, park the caddy in front of the store walk in, use the best English I knew . “Hello Sir, I’m going back to college this fall and father (never say dad) is going to buy me a new car before I go, because I did so well on my entrance exams to med school. I am interested in driving you new 7000 Hp XYZ. I hear they are the finest cars being built now. Would a young man like myself be able to handle one ok?” Dealer says, “ well young man, bla-bla-bla bla, sure why don’t you test drive one now?” Get the idea? Study the car, so you can ask great questions, this impresses the salesman. Don’t mention the Hp or the engine. Talk about the radio the leather seats, and brush off any mention about all that power your just dying to get under your foot. I drove over a hundred cars that way. Only once did a dealer want me to bring my dad in. It’s a great way to spend a Saturday. Some of those test drives lasted 2 to 3 hours. I use to practice English just to pull this off. Don’t try this in blue jeans, and bring your dressed up girl friend so there’s no room for the salesman in those nice roadsters.

I have a 1956 VW that is one of the most fun cars to drive that I have ever driven. It’s slow, the shifter is all loose, the steering is really wacky, but it zips, it turns quick and is just fun to drive. I can’t drive the car without laughing the whole time. It’s never had a paint job, and looks like I just drove it out of the junk yard, and boy is it ever ugly. But when I drive by people laugh and wave and shout, and that’s just fun.

For the rest of you guys, I have watched people take an old $10,000 muscle cars, and put $25,000 in mods and upgrades, and still have a $10,000 car when they try to sell it. Me, I can take a $6000 Miata put $6000 in it, and sell it all day, for $15,000 and have a car that will out perform 98% of the cars on the road, street or track. Sure go ahead and put out $20,000 to turn a 4000 lb sled into a 12 second car. But when you need parts, jump into your $12,000 dollar turbo powered Miata rocket and head for the parts store. Heck, in your Miata you can get there and back before you leave. Who is the smart guy now?

When the Ford Mustang first came out, all of us speed freaks said “ look at that little girly car.” Then Shelby came along and installed a small block V8, and we still laughed. Then came the Boss Mustang with the big -- big block. Well nobody has laughed since, and I have grown up (way up).

Most of the Miata statements, I have made above can be found in a book written by the Miata engineering team. The book is called “The Performance Miata.” Most good bookstores have it.
Everything else is my honest opinions, Go forth into the world and roll your own.

You want to learn what cars are all about? Do you want to drive a Formula 1 racer? Do you want to know what it’s like to drive a NASCAR automobile around the track at 160 mph? Well you can. There are racing schools all over the country now where you can take a class and drive that awesome car your dreaming about. Just do a Google or Dogpile search on “Racing schools”. The cost runs from $700 to $3500. It will change you mind about a lot of things. It will move you thought processes from those of the amateur to those of the professional.

At sixty-three, I still enjoy cruising on Saturday nights, and talking to the kids about cars and stuff, and checking out the rides. Here in Oklahoma, looks and stereos are more important then speed. When I was a kid, your manhood was determined by the horse power of your car, then came, the number of watts in your radio. Thank God, horse power is coming back.

I just ordered a new 320 Hp Crossfire. It will take a couple of weeks to get here. Handling was pretty good on the car, but the shocks were weak, they’ll have to go. The V8 really takes up a lot of room under the hood and the car is really heavy. When I install the blower, (absolutely no room for twin turbos) I’ll probably have to chop the hood. I can’t wait to compare it to my Miata. Guess I just have this “need for speed”

[CleanNeon98]

Everyday, I go out climb into my Miata, cut about a dozen of those little baker circles (donuts) and then head down the driveway ready to face the world. I’m a little white haired old man, but don’t ever pull up beside me and laugh, because my little Miata might burn your butt, and you’ll feel really bad because you got beat by an old man in a “girly car”.

[sherwood]

so basically some old gay dude drives a miata? why the 3 page double spaced write up...i coulda told you he was gay.

[SpEcRv9]

You have what I call a sports sedan

The difference between your buddie's Integra and a sports car is that sports cars are balanced. I am willing to bet anything that he has traction issues. My car (and im not putting it on a pedestal here) is hard pressed to break the wheels loose in a corner (mind you its boosted, and I am pushing out a bit more power than stock as well). 90 degree turn, first gear, foot down, back end only comes out a LITTLE. The car never feels unstable. If your buddy hammers his car in a corner even in 3rd gear I bet he will understeer straight off the road.

okay, so...of course a turbo integra with 300hp is gonna have traction issues....he doesnt have to hit that turn at 100% throttle.....he can prob hit it at 65% and take it just as well as you without understeering, its called knowing your car....im sure I could do the same thing...

its funny as soon as you got this miata with a turbo you've become mr preach what a real car actually was....rwd (go figure) 3 pedals, steering wheel (wtf) no traction control, lsd ect....

so I have all that except for rwd? so is that the only thing keeping my car from being a sports car/sedan?....if you exclude other cars for not having every aspect of your "perfect sports car example" its being plain ignorant...

[Scapegoat]

people need to stop ragging on the miata for not being a sports car... it really is the epitome of a classic BRITISH sports car...

and alex needs to STFU and stop making pointless threads trying to defend the miata when no one else is calling him/it out.

Alex, we were all pretty happy for you when you bought the car. But just like everything else you talk about... you've turned into a pompous assbag about the subject. You still don't know jack about cars, especially since you're asking questions in your own journal about turbo systems, you don't know jack about racing... you do not have enough experience in these subjects, or most of the subjects talked about on this forum, to be spouting off like an expert... you are, simply, not one... in anything...

[Scapegoat]

okay, so...of course a turbo integra with 300hp is gonna have traction issues....he doesnt have to hit that turn at 100% throttle.....he can prob hit it at 65% and take it just as well as you without understeering, its called knowing your car....im sure I could do the same thing...

its funny as soon as you got this miata with a turbo you've become mr preach what a real car actually was....rwd (go figure) 3 pedals, steering wheel (wtf) no traction control, lsd ect....

so I have all that except for rwd? so is that the only thing keeping my car from being a sports car/sedan?....if you exclude other cars for not having every aspect of your "perfect sports car example" its being plain ignorant...

your car isn't a sports car b/c it isn't RWD... plain and simple... my car isn't a sports car either for the same reason.

[sherwood]

wait? i think i finally understand...its not a race car unless it has side exit exhaust?!

[Evo8kid]

you SERIOUSLy need to stop contradicting youself. You said that you judge cars stock becuase they can be made into anything. then you put up an article about some1 who is gonna take any modification to a miata and compares it with a stock car. His miata 'destroyed' 2 vettes, a viper etc...i bet it wouldnt do that stock.


The stock Miata with the RS package will do .84 on the skid pad. Just add springs, adj shocks, and sway bars, and the car will do 1.04 on the pad. I am sure that could be improved on with fine tuning. I talking about out of the box install and a new aggressive alignment and go hit 1.04. I have taken 90 degree turns at 70 mph (70 going in and 80 coming out), and I’m a scared old man. A power slide in a car this light is a wonderful thing to feel and behold.

Turbo kits are available and the cost varies from $2500 to $5000. If you’re good, and know what your doing you can improve on those costs. My intercooler and blowoff valve, are Mitsubishi. My injectors are RX7. You can save a lot of money if you roam around a junkyard for a while. Try 18 psi on a Ford, Mopar or Chevy and still get 100k (gee, where is that rod and piston catalog?).

The little car weighs between 1800 - 2200 lbs. That’s almost 1200 less then most cars out there.
The highest weight difference I have seen between the front wheels and the back wheels was 7 lbs. My car running 16/18 PSI has 340 Hp @ 1821 lbs (with me in it). Calc that Dog.



then it goes from engine work to aero kits. comparing a miata with an aero kit to a cobra. saying a cobra cant do over 150 because of resistance, but a mita with a "weapon r kit" can!

[Spocknasty]

Sports car is such a broad term. Sports car or not, my next car will probably be a Miata.

I see more chicks in Subarus than I do Miatas. I don't think the following examples look too girly...

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f206/Jonnybravo408/IMG_0235.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/halloweenkid7/miata/008__scaled_600_003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/halloweenkid7/miata/012__scaled_600_003-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/halloweenkid7/miata/blackbeauty_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/halloweenkid7/miata/DSC_0008-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/halloweenkid7/miata/DSC01441.jpg
http://www.streetkaizo.com/kaizophoto/events/tfdd/images/tfdd_10_07%20191.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/JDMAflac/img_8725.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5121/p1016746resized2nj1.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f123/CE28N/random/d1.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/39/miataxn1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c184/miatadrifterx/0052.jpg

[CleanNeon98]

you SERIOUSLy need to stop contradicting youself. You said that you judge cars stock becuase they can be made into anything. then you put up an article about some1 who is take any modification to a miata and compares it with a stock car. His miata 'destroyed' 2 vettes, a viper etc...i bet it wouldnt do that stock.


then it goes from engine work to aero kits. comparing a miata with an aero kit to a cobra. saying a cobra cant do over 150 because of resistance, but a mita with a "weapon r kit" can!
Uhh..he was talking about breaking cars he himself owned. The aero part I dont agree with either, I just took the article cause I thought it had a good general message.

[Scapegoat]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/halloweenkid7/miata/blackbeauty_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/halloweenkid7/miata/DSC01441.jpg


what rims are those... I lubs them!

[SpEcRv9]

^^those miatas are baller.

[Spocknasty]

Look to be Panasports.

[Evo8kid]

it was pointless...there was no message

[CleanNeon98]

what rims are those... I lubs them!
Look like rota RB, or the real thing haha

[Evo8kid]

i never though i would EVER say this but..i would really love to hear more scapegoat right about now

[Scapegoat]

i never though i would EVER say this but..i would really love to hear more scapegoat right about now

peanut butter jelly time peanut butter jelly!!

[sean3]

Just give up. No single person is going to be able to come on the internet and convince the masses that their miata is sports car and not the turbocharged gay mobile it is perceived to be. Especially not someone with your reputation. You knew the stereotype when you bought the car, now live with it.

[BradC]

miata's are just not a car for a guy dude..and an all around race car? i bet my R would show u the biz in auto x.

its just seeing a guy in a new beatle..you just know their gay.

Riiight.

You seriously think your R32 could take a Miata on an auto-x? Pass it this way man...

[SpEcRv9]

your car isn't a sports car b/c it isn't RWD... plain and simple... my car isn't a sports car either for the same reason.

oooooo.....i guess i should stop thinkin about attending any SCCA motorSPORT events then, since i dont own teh rwdz sports car

[Evo8kid]

oooooo.....i guess i should stop thinkin about attending any SCCA motorsport events then, since i dont own teh rwdz sports car

no just drive backwards

[CleanNeon98]

no just drive backwards
:bigeek: ahahahhah that was awesome

[SpEcRv9]

no just drive backwards
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2003/05-21-fast-inside.jpg
how you like them apples!?

[Scapegoat]

oooooo.....i guess i should stop thinkin about attending any SCCA motorSPORT events then, since i dont own teh rwdz sports car

you're as stubborn as cleanneon...

your car isn't a classic "sports car"... that doesn't mean that it doesn't fall into some kind of "sports" class.

But I do not consider a FWD car a "sports car". I love my car, and I love autocrossing it... but its not a sports car.. more like a "sport compact sedan"...

[SpEcRv9]

you're as stubborn as cleanneon...

your car isn't a classic "sports car"... that doesn't mean that it doesn't fall into some kind of "sports" class.

But I do not consider a FWD car a "sports car". I love my car, and I love autocrossing it... but its not a sports car.. more like a "sport compact sedan"...

I was just joking around, but hes basically saying fwd shouldnt be apart of the SPORTS CAR CLUB of America, that is by his definition of sports car....not stubborn, just a joke..

I know I in fact do not drive a sports car...4door econo box with sporty features, yes.

[Scapegoat]

I was just joking around, but hes basically saying fwd shouldnt be apart of the SPORTS CAR CLUB of America...

well if Alex is saying that, he's even more of a retard than i thought...

[CleanNeon98]

I was just joking around, but hes basically saying fwd shouldnt be apart of the SPORTS CAR CLUB of America, that is by his definition of sports car....not stubborn, just a joke..

I know I in fact do not drive a sports car...4door econo box with sporty features, yes.
Uhh, I never said that, dont put words into my mouth.

[SpEcRv9]

well if Alex is saying that, he's even more of a retard than i thought...

i edited it, im saying by his definiton of sports car, us FWD guys dont technically belong in the SCCA.

Uhh, I never said that, dont put words into my mouth.

dude you're right you didnt say that....but you might as well have...basically implied it by your definiton of sports car...dont get so upset, its a observation...out of your own post...

[CleanNeon98]

i edited it, im saying by his definiton of sports car, us FWD guys dont technically belong in the SCCA.
Im pretty sure the SCCA is a VERY broad place now. Just because they accept honda civics and proteges and sentras and such into the organization doesnt make them sports cars.

[i like rice]

Look like rota RB, or the real thing haha

cheapass Rotas have multiple holes. The real thing only have 4 or 5 lugs.

[sherwood]

Riiight.

You seriously think your R32 could take a Miata on an auto-x? Pass it this way man...

im down for some friendly competition.

[Evo8kid]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MGBhb9XoqFI&feature=related

[i like rice]

You knew the stereotype when you bought the car, now live with it.

His skin isn't thick enough yet. I've heard this BS for the last 9 years.

[i like rice]

im down for some friendly competition.

I'd put my money on the R32

[sherwood]

His skin isn't thick enough yet. I've heard this BS for the last 9 years.

he needs to put his jean jacket back on..those are thick.

[i like rice]

don't forget the helmet.

[sherwood]

don't forget the helmet.

haha! see these are the type of miata drives i like and can get along with!

[Buster]

lol @ you guys thinking you need a subaru to be accepted.



i see them as a good platform for racing... i would never drive one daily.

LOL at the Image of Chaos trying to get in one lol. Sorry dude but its funny to imagine.

[CleanNeon98]

LOL at the Image of Chaos trying to get in one lol. Sorry dude but its funny to imagine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5dy6ADQ2S4

hes not that big but lol anyway

[i like rice]

I'd scrape if he sat in mine lol

It's an instant 1.5" drop with 300+ lbs

[russiankid]

You gave me a ride in this car before(no homo). It is nice, it does pull well and handles well too. However, at times, especially parked to other cars, it perceives a toy car look to me.

[CleanNeon98]

I'd scrape if he sat in mine lol

It's an instant 1.5" drop with 300+ lbs
OO..wait did you say you are selling?? Parting out?? :inlove:

[i like rice]

this was me before I went on the Subway diet and lost 200 lbs

http://asianguywithacamera.com/temp/roadster_22.jpg

http://asianguywithacamera.com/temp/roadster_23.jpg

http://asianguywithacamera.com/temp/roadster_25.jpg

http://asianguywithacamera.com/temp/roadster_26.jpg

[CleanNeon98]

Navigation?! cool!

[i like rice]

OO..wait did you say you are selling?? Parting out?? :inlove:

If I move to DC, yeah, I'm selling the Miata and getting an E46 M3

[CleanNeon98]

If I move to DC, yeah, I'm selling the Miata and getting an E46 M3
You should totally sell me that DP and Exhaust and everything else that you have

[i like rice]

I'd pull the catback, PRofec B, HIDs, wheels, and coilovers off but I'd leave DP and intake on the car. I stripped a stud on the turbo doing the DP install. I'd rather not go through that all again just to sell a DP for $200

[CleanNeon98]

I'd pull the catback, PRofec B, HIDs, wheels, and coilovers off but I'd leave DP and intake on the car. I stripped a stud on the turbo doing the DP install. I'd rather not go through that all again just to sell a DP for $200
I would absolutely love the catback, HIDs, and coilovers...profecB maybe, wheels I dont think would go with the color of my car and id want more concave anyway. Keep me posted for sure

edit: PM me some ballpark prices, if they work for me I will wait if not Ill look elsewhere, thanks

[russiankid]

If I move to DC, yeah, I'm selling the Miata and getting an E46 M3

BMW is the way to go.:mrgreen:

Just kidding.

[i like rice]

I would absolutely love the catback, HIDs, and coilovers...profecB maybe, wheels I dont think would go with the color of my car and id want more concave anyway. Keep me posted for sure

edit: PM me some ballpark prices, if they work for me I will wait if not Ill look elsewhere, thanks

$300, $50, $650, $120, $2100 if/when I sell the car

[CleanNeon98]

$300, $50, $650, $120, $2100 if/when I sell the car
Dibs on exhaust then :)

[Shoolig]

Noseys on profec B.

Anyhow- I will admit it, Miata are fun to drive- they ride harder and manlier than they look and the turbo ones are fun to scoot around with.

but.

If you had to ask if your car is a girls car, it probably is percieved as one. You are dealing with some of the most automotively enlightened people in the area here and most of us even think girls car when we see it, it's just the way it's perceived... just as in racial stereotypes there are car stereotypes too.

Sorry, I had to.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l281/90blacktsiawd/miatasaying-1.jpg

[CHAOS]

LOL at the Image of Chaos trying to get in one lol. Sorry dude but its funny to imagine.

lol i dont fit. i tried before.


when i bought my old mx6, i went to a mazda dealer to get it... they had a MSM in the show room... i got in the drivers seat... went "this isnt too bad"... then i closed the door... and my knees were pinned on the steering wheel. i lol'd.

[Ender81]

so far everyone that has thrown any remark to me in person has been left many lengths behind.

So most people just ignore you in person then?:-p

I kid, I kid....somewhat lol


On a sidenote I agree mostly with Shoolig. Yes it's a chick car but that doesn't mean it isn't fun to drive.

[CleanNeon98]

So I guess Subarus are fag (pardon the term) cars since Subaru had originally marketed their cars toward the homosexual community right?? So everyone with a Subaru must like penis right??

[Evo8kid]

So I guess Subarus are fag (pardon the term) cars since Subaru had originally marketed their cars toward the homosexual community right?? So everyone with a Subaru must like penis right??

say goodbye to TST

[CleanNeon98]

say goodbye to TST
You say that like I'm a liar

http://www.gay.com/style/auto/package.html?sernum=505

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/12/15/subaru-going-for-more-gay-advertising/

http://www.gay.com/business/article.html?sernum=1692

etc.etc.

[dwl137]

lol i dont fit. i tried before.

The new NC chassis has a good amount more room in it then the old NB. I didn't fit well in the old ones (too tall) but I don't even have the seat all the way back in my NC.

[Turbo s60R]

You say that like I'm a liar

http://www.gay.com/style/auto/package.html?sernum=505

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/12/15/subaru-going-for-more-gay-advertising/

http://www.gay.com/business/article.html?sernum=1692

etc.etc.

Why are you on so many gay sites???? it kinda makes you think doesnt it:bigeek:

[CleanNeon98]

Why are you on so many gay sites???? it kinda makes you think doesnt it:bigeek:
Google must be gay...just google "Subaru gay" and those links were off the first page

[Turbo s60R]

Google must be gay...just google "Subaru gay" and those links were off the first page

Rightttt.... and why were you googleing gay again???

[CleanNeon98]

Rightttt.... and why were you googleing gay again???
For you :wink:

[CHAOS]

Alex is right, the subaru forester and outbacks were originally marketed towards the gay and lesbian community.

[Turbo s60R]

what were jean jackets marketed for then???

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/LBCsublime9/gay.jpg

[CleanNeon98]

what were jean jackets marketed for then???
Pornstars

[Turbo s60R]

hahahha alex you suck why did you delete the pic hahahha

[xEJ20x]

what were jean jackets marketed for then???



Immigrants who wanted to be part of NKOTB.

[the4g63]

^ he would look on gay websites.

[pearl]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cleanneon%20gay&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[the4g63]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cleanneon%20gay&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

haha.

[Turbo s60R]

hahahahhaha

[JET02WRX]

I don't get you sometimes Alex. You act like the ONLY members on here are Subaru guys and girls. On top of that...you are showing much hate in this thread towards us...yet in your journal thread there were many of us trying to give you constructive advice about your boost situation. Kinda F'ed up don't ya think? Sure a lot of the members here are subaru owners. You may or may not remember, but this site was first started by subaru people.
So you posted a poll about whether or not your car is a girly car...then get butthurt when half of TST says it is. WHY POST THE POLL THEN? Are you just looking to debate? This is the kind of **** people hate on you for.
Most of us will think twice next time about giving advice when you make your next inevitable journal entry "OH NOES... I SPIKED TO 15lbs of boost...MOTOR TOASTED!! Should I have not run nos on top of my turbo setup?"

[marshallpre1]

This thread is ridiculous...

[SovXietday]

This thread is ridiculous...

All of his threads are.

[KingOfDelco]

yeah, can we just ignore this guy from now on???

[CleanNeon98]

yeah, can we just ignore this guy from now on???
who are you to talk noob??

[CHAOS]

lol @ the kid everyone hates trying to talk **** on clean neon.

[CleanNeon98]

I don't get you sometimes Alex. You act like the ONLY members on here are Subaru guys and girls. On top of that...you are showing much hate in this thread towards us...yet in your journal thread there were many of us trying to give you constructive advice about your boost situation. Kinda F'ed up don't ya think? Sure a lot of the members here are subaru owners. You may or may not remember, but this site was first started by subaru people.
So you posted a poll about whether or not your car is a girly car...then get butthurt when half of TST says it is. WHY POST THE POLL THEN? Are you just looking to debate? This is the kind of **** people hate on you for.
Most of us will think twice next time about giving advice when you make your next inevitable journal entry "OH NOES... I SPIKED TO 15lbs of boost...MOTOR TOASTED!! Should I have not run nos on top of my turbo setup?"
Im showing hate towards you?? No..not really, I have respect for Subaru guys, but if people are gona say the miata is a gay car, then I can easily come back with facts about Subaru and their gay ties...it works both ways man. I have nothing against any cars really, I just dont like some of their owners. I wasnt around when the site was first started, so I wouldnt know who it was started by. I dont care if people vote the poll, its just the stupid **** some of them argue with such as "oh i see a lot of girls driving them", it doesnt make it a girly car, just like Subaru's gay support doesnt make them a gay company.

[JET02WRX]

Again though... WHY post a poll asking SPECIFICALLY if it is perceived as a girly car...then get defensive when 1/2 the population says yes?

[pearl]

yeah, can we just ignore this guy from now on???

Holy jesus you are more annoying than CN.

[the4g63]

Holy jesus you are more annoying than CN.

+1

I think he tries to peep in more windows than his neighbors, 'cause he seems to think he knows me and my family.

[pearl]

oh yeah thats the guy that was the peeping tom,

thanks for the reminder :thumbup:

[Evo8kid]

you are an attention whore.

[the4g63]

Cleanneon, if your happy with you car, it just doesn't matter. I know people that think Evo's are ghey (not the same way people consider yours to be), but I love my car and just don't care.

/thread.

[NJGOAT]

Eh, after not being on TST for a couple months (waaayyy too much going on with the new baby and work) this was the perfect thread to come back to.

I have driven several Miata's and have a few in my fleet. At 6'4" and 275lbs. I do actually fit in the car. I also think they are an absolute blast to drive and are very capable cars. Just look at the SCCA. Spec Miata is probably the most competitive racing series there is. However, that doesn't shake the cars general image. No one that isn't into hardcore racing will even give a Miata a second look. The styling is very "cute" and feminine. It is also greatly overshadowed by the other coupes it competes with, Honda S2000, Audi TT, BMW Z4, etc. Everything else it competes with (even the TT) may not be as good a performer or as good in the "bang for the buck" category, but they all look a lot more aggressive and masculine (even the TT which is a stretch to call masculine).

So, yes the Miata is a fantastic car and no one into cars can deny that. However, if you are soliciting a styling opinion ("girl cars" are generally defined by their styling) than most people would consider it a "girls car". The problem with your poll is that you are asking two different questions, not two sides of the same coin. Is it a sports car, yes. Is it styled like a "girls car", yes.

[CleanNeon98]

Eh, after not being on TST for a couple months (waaayyy too much going on with the new baby and work) this was the perfect thread to come back to.

I have driven several Miata's and have a few in my fleet. At 6'4" and 275lbs. I do actually fit in the car. I also think they are an absolute blast to drive and are very capable cars. Just look at the SCCA. Spec Miata is probably the most competitive racing series there is. However, that doesn't shake the cars general image. No one that isn't into hardcore racing will even give a Miata a second look. The styling is very "cute" and feminine. It is also greatly overshadowed by the other coupes it competes with, Honda S2000, Audi TT, BMW Z4, etc. Everything else it competes with (even the TT) may not be as good a performer or as good in the "bang for the buck" category, but they all look a lot more aggressive and masculine (even the TT which is a stretch to call masculine).

So, yes the Miata is a fantastic car and no one into cars can deny that. However, if you are soliciting a styling opinion ("girl cars" are generally defined by their styling) than most people would consider it a "girls car". The problem with your poll is that you are asking two different questions, not two sides of the same coin. Is it a sports car, yes. Is it styled like a "girls car", yes.
Welcome back..perhaps I should have made it a multiple choice poll lol

Cleanneon, if your happy with you car, it just doesn't matter. I know people that think Evo's are ghey (not the same way people consider yours to be), but I love my car and just don't care.

/thread.
Im not using it to defend my car, I just think its goofy when people argue like "cause its gay" or that 2 guys in a convertible is automatically considered homosexual. Im 100% happy with my car, ive driven only a handful of cars that were anywhere close to having the same fun factor as this does.

[Spocknasty]

Miatas are a sports car. However when you are in one, its a girl's car!

[93EGY8]

haha i saw that miata with the stack at englishtown..definatley awesome

[Turbo s60R]

yeah, can we just ignore this guy from now on???

im know im late but who the hell is this guy???

[pearl]

http://www.evparts.com/galleries_pict/MazdaLeapin.jpg
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i dont see why this thread isnt locked because it is the most off topic off topic discussion on this site.

[Turbo s60R]

yeah troll has got to be on vaca i havent seen him on all day

[pearl]

no hes here, trust me.

[92dxman]

Long story short, fun cars to drive and can compete in many different faucets from road racing to autocross and everything in between. Who cares if its a chick car or a sports car. Just drive it and have fun and don't worry about what other people think. Hey I drove a purple Geo Metro...

[TurboTagTeam]

who are you to talk noob??

OMG........CleanNeon called someone a NOOB!!!!!!!

THe TST saga is complete!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and this thread sucks :thumbup:

[i like rice]

http://asianguywithacamera.com/images/gifs/aceandgary_3.gif

[Spocknasty]

^ haha!

[gpzjack]

chick car...right up there with mustangs. LOL

[xEJ20x]

Anything that comes convertible with auto tranny option is a chick car.

[CleanNeon98]

Anything that comes convertible with auto tranny option is a chick car.
911 turbo? f355? f430? etc. :lol:

[Scapegoat]

i dont see why this thread isnt locked because it is the most off topic off topic discussion on this site.

rules don't apply when we're making fun of Alex... i thought you knew that

[Turbo s60R]

ive noticed that over the past few weeks

[Renegade_]

911 turbo? f355? f430? etc. :lol:

Yeah, but they are faster than your car so it instantly makes them not gay.

Stop trying, everyone is laughing at you and you refuse to recognize it. You realize no one ever takes you seriously no matter how hard we try or no matter how much "useful" information you try to put up. Your immaturity and irresponsibility with modifying a car shows every single goddamn time you post. I thought I knew something about cars too but when you buy a turbo car the entire equation changes and you realize that there is so much more to learn.

Be humbled by that and be the student in life for once.

[xEJ20x]

911 turbo? f355? f430? etc. :lol:

Just cause you can make it a convertable....doesn't mean you should.
Its the reason for hard tops and non-verts.

Besides....which do you see more hair dressers in: 911 turbos or Miatas? :roll:

[CleanNeon98]

Just cause you can make it a convertable....doesn't mean you should.
Its the reason for hard tops and non-verts.

Besides....which do you see more hair dressers in: 911 turbos or Miatas? :roll:
Ive actually never seen a homosexual in a Miata.

[xEJ20x]

Ive actually never seen a homosexual in a Miata.

Neither have I.
But most hair dressers I see are women so.....

[pearl]

youve never seen a guy driving a miata probably then

cleanneons friend: http://www.miata.net/misc/girlscar.html

[Scapegoat]

youve never seen a guy driving a miata probably then

cleanneons friend: http://www.miata.net/misc/girlscar.html

I stopped at: "I also see a lot of women drive Jeep Wranglers / Renegades but you won't hear anybody calling it a girl's car."

Those are chick vehicles fo'sho. If a chick looks better in a vehicle than a guy would, its a chick car. If you look at a car and don't care who is driving, then its a guy car. If you look at a vehicle expecting some hot young college aged coed... its a chick car...

[Scapegoat]

oh ps: that dude is nuts... he's whining like a little bitch... i wonder if the miata website is actually proud to have that on their site...

[Turbo s60R]

Ive actually never seen a homosexual in a Miata.

how do you know if there homosexual?? you drive a miata and we have our doubt about you.... is there like a gay banner above there heads or a speacial hat, or maybe they call themselves cleanneon and fail at a side exit on a civic........who knows

[marshallpre1]

Ok Cleanneon, your car is the ****in ****. It's better than everyone's car here

[CleanNeon98]

Ok Cleanneon, your car is the ****in ****. It's better than everyone's car here
Wow you are a bigger moron than I thought :roll:

[TROLL]

I know I'm not the only one tired of seeing this thread posted in so I'm cutting it off here.

I really hope you can take something from the way this thread has gone... and I'm not talking about the Miata being a chick car.
As you've heard me say a thousand times before, respect the new thread button.