calling this problem out

[Gorilla Unit 33]

a recent post that i made (seen below along with link to the original thread) made me post his thread and i think im doing this in a much proffesional way as possible and also to see that other people see whats going on also because i know im not the only person on these boards that has notice this "different treatment" ,may i call it. it has come to my attention not only but other members also that certain people, i guess u could say popularity pending (kinda like categorizing in high school), get treated differently on these boards then others. what i mean by "popularity pending" i guess u could say is that the people who are closer with moderators have this sort of freedom that other just get punked on here for or get "official" or "un-official" warnings for. i think this is a discrace to our thread like in the country we live in i think everyone should be treated equal and if one person beats the sware filter just as much as another the both should get warnings (just not one because u like your friend and rather let him do what he wants). Look i could give two damn Nikes what half the people on here think about me myself as a person but when i think this forum is preety cool and i invite some of the local tuners (NOT RICERS) arround my way on to the forums i excpect to have the same freedom to say what i want as sexyDSM and igo4bmx do.
For Example:
Did you reach around and give him a taste of his own medicine?
wow i love how me and select few people go not off topic, like this post. but use a choice word reppettively (sp?) and it get shut down but when u talk about guys giving other guys a reach arround (jokingly yes we know) its all plenty cool even though the thread has sumtin to do with a video game? i dont get you some time maybe this thread is just me but im not the only person who has been noticiing this stuff lately a couple guys say **** and the thread gets locked but going FAR off topic then the thread and talking about guy on guy relations ISNT as bad ?????

it can also be viewed in full here : http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5953

i dont see how that thread can go so off topic and go on from video games to man on man sexual relations and not get closed but when 7 friends on here talk about the night out at the art museum (can be found here http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5610&highlight=****s ) it gets closed just for reffering to eachother as "****'s" or also known as ****sapien's numerous times after being reffered as one by another forum member, with no warning of the word ****s usage.

I understand it might not be a who knows who thing but whatever it is, its gotta stop. Now i know that certain moderaters (no names mentioned) have been reffered to as being words to explicit (sp?) for me to mention or names here and there but im not looking to call anyone names i just want the same equality that others are getting. im not trying to get banned from the forums, i support TST for everything it does, but if thats what this thread is going to lead to so bring it. Im only calling forth the curruption that me and other members have noticed and to have sumtin done about it. Martin Luther King Jr. didnt let death stop his fight for equality, his dream carried on and today you see the out come.

[HatchSurfer3]

I would like to back up my compadre here. I've noticed this happening as well and would like to see a little more done about it. Im not trying to tell anyone how to do their job, but either letting up on some people or cracking down on others may help to make this board a happier place. I dunno if id go as far as dying for the cause haha, but i will go as far as backing up gorilla. Thank you and goodnight

[G1GSX]

well something's just happen that way you have the "in" people and the not in people i like to keep myself in the middle haha

[07BlackSS]

well something's just happen that way you have the "in" people and the not in people i like to keep myself in the middle haha

Hahaha....yeah but on a serious note I think we all could use a little fairness around here. I think thats what Tri State Tuners is all about. We are all into cars and modding them look nice and to perform. It's not about I have a Honda(waiting for an insult...lol) and you have an Mitsubishi so we can't talk about cars or we have to hate each other...I goto ClubSI.com or Honda-tech for that.....and this isn't supposed to be about some high school bull****!

Bottom line stop the bull**** and lets get back to talking about tuning our cars! :thumbup:

[DoubleOughtCel]

One of the many reasons I rarely post anymore. Favoritism is a bitch.

[criz]

TST has gotten to a size now where it is difficult to moderate to the level it was 4 months ago. I personally don't see the favortism you're talking about but that could be because i've known these guys for a really long time.

I appreciate Gorilla trying to make this a better forum but I don't agree.

[criz]

by the way, was I IM'd this link because you think I have been shown favortism?

[Gorilla Unit 33]

by the way, was I IM'd this link because you think I have been shown favortism?
never said nor thought such a thing i just wanted it to be seen by every member because i know lots have been treated this way

[Raven18940]

I got hung for saying a Saturn SOHC is bad performance engine, despise the fact the clint the saturn guy said yeah it sucks. THen everyone ganged up on me for saying all SOHC engines suck, you people need to learn the meaning of the word context. :p

[Gorilla Unit 33]

TST has gotten to a size now where it is difficult to moderate to the level it was 4 months ago. I personally don't see the favortism you're talking about but that could be because i've known these guys for a really long time.

I appreciate Gorilla trying to make this a better forum but I don't agree.
when things go from everything being cool a couple warnings here and there to closing a thread becuase it went off topic when really it was about the title of the thread (see 7 ****'s at art museum thread) but because of the use of **** it was shut down... but other people can talk about guys giving other guys reach arrounds when the thread originaly talks about the video game socom 3. yet this thread still stays open and free of any warning, furthermore this talk came from a site moderator who is suppose to represent the forums? give me a break if they can talk about giving guys reach arrounds i wanna reffer to i guess u could say "my group of friends" as ****s and the best part about it is that not one person was offended yet it still got closed but in a earlier discussion when the word ****'s was used to describe "my group of friends" that was perfectly fine

.... sumtin is very very fishy

[igo4bmx]

Gorilla- please take this comment from me as non-personal as possible

From my experience on this and many other forums, you begin to make relations with different members, and you begint o understand their personalities. People know I can take a joke, and Sandra (although she wants my manly aznness), understands that and plays along. It isn't favoritism in my opinion, but just an understanding what people's threshold. Now Gorilla, I knew from the beginning, certain comments can get your angry or upset, so now the moderators look out after you, making sure you are well defended here.

For example, the first couple weeks here, I saw your picture of you in a wifebeater and made a joke about the photo, and you replied with a "fine see me and the next meet". It was an indirect threat and also just how i understood your personality. Statements like that make me think "wow, you can't joke around gorilla, cuz he'll go ape"

(the words expressed above may be written in error, as the author of this post has not drank a cup of coffee yet and its not even 9:00AM)

[Intercooled T]

i see what you're saying. i've been noticing a lot of mods going happy with telling people to watch what they say and behave. Certain people are throwing around their power, you're not the only one to notice

[igo4bmx]

I got hung for saying a Saturn SOHC is bad performance engine, despise the fact the clint the saturn guy said yeah it sucks. THen everyone ganged up on me for saying all SOHC engines suck, you people need to learn the meaning of the word context. :p


which is rather appauling if you were dumb enough to get a SOHC engine.

maybe you should analyze the syntax of your sentence...
if you said

which is rather appauling if you were dumb enough to get the Saturn SOHC engine.

that would have at least clarified you were only talking about saturn motors... not all SOHC in general.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

From my experience on this and many other forums, you begin to make relations with different members, and you begint o understand their personalities. People know I can take a joke, and Sandra (although she wants my manly aznness), understands that and plays along. It isn't favoritism in my opinion, but just an understanding what people's threshold.
nothing personal taken but i dont see why one person can say **** **** **** **** **** **** **** but another cant do the same. why some one cant crack jokes about callin themselves along with other friends "****'s" (with no problem, no insults taken) but other can talk about guy on guy sexual relations

[Intercooled T]

as pointless as threads get... http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5893&page=1&pp=20

ah geez guys, can't we talk about something else???" that's what it sounds like. i'll admit that thread WAS pointless, but how many of you have to interject?

[igo4bmx]

nothing personal taken but i dont see why one person can say **** **** **** **** **** **** **** but another cant do the same. why some one cant crack jokes about callin themselves along with other friends "****'s" (with no problem, no insults taken) but other can talk about guy on guy sexual relations



Let me just clarify before we continue that I AM NOT *** :wiggle:

[igo4bmx]

nothing personal taken but i dont see why one person can say **** **** **** **** **** **** **** but another cant do the same. why some one cant crack jokes about callin themselves along with other friends "****'s" (with no problem, no insults taken) but other can talk about guy on guy sexual relations


well i guess it's hard to figure out who is really serious and who isn't when it comes to threads...
so it's really based on pure judgement on each post, and trying to decipher if the post was meant to be harmful, or humorous...

[Gorilla Unit 33]

well i guess it's hard to figure out who is really serious and who isn't when it comes to threads...
so it's really based on pure judgement on each post, and trying to decipher if the post was meant to be harmful, or humorous...
i think its ovious when therea about a million lol's in a thread its all humorous... but not at all off topic!

[MuddyREX]

Let me clarify now. Do not take ANYTHING I ever say seriously.

As for the favoritism, I don't see it. People who were close personal friends of some of the mods no longer use this site because of things that have happened here.

Everyone sees the mod stick if they cross the line.

[xEJ20x]

When things get too out of hand then the mods will surface.
Back when Nickmahhh was still here, him and I would go OT almost every thread.
But Troll flexed his mod muscles one day.
I towed the line and Nickmahhh got banned.

And there is no favoritism between members and mods that I have seen.
Although I know Mike outside of TST, he has post-owned me a couple times.

[S4toSTI]

I wanna take a second to harp on what james said and that is people get to know each other and can tell what others can tolerate. LJ when i said plus one to what sandra said i thought we were cool enough that you could take that as a joke. I think you took that comment very personally and took it really to heart. When i said that i really was kidding arround. Anyway back to the point i don't see this favoritism. Never the less i think this is something that should be discussed if you feel as tho you are not being treated as equally as others.

[TROLL]

if this happens its completely unintentional. i'll talk to sandra about it and because she is a moderator i would rather her not use that kind of language. even know i know she's just joking around, others may not and its important for the moderators to set an example.
you seem hung up on the fact that you cant call your friends h-o-m-o-s (dodged so people know what we're talking about here). is it that big of a deal? you cited that one example many times, and cited sandra saying something once and you're calling that corruption and comparing yourself to martin luther king jr.
unless you can pull up 10 examples of where you were treated differently than another member then i think its less of an issue of being unfair and more of an issue of moderators not catching every little thing that goes on here. we all have real jobs or real school and family and friends, and we do spend a lot of time on here, but chances are from time to time a post or a thread slips by without us catching it. sometimes i read something that could go either way... if i'm in one mood i might edit it, if i'm in another mood i might not... thats just me being human.
this is a good time to point out that there is a button on the left of every single post that allows any member to send a warning to the moderators about an offensive post. please use it whenever you see fit... it will bring the post you have selected to our attention and is a sure way to have it reviewed. it is RARELY used which is unfortunate becuase it could really help us out.
and if any of you out there think we dont bust our asses on here trying to bring you the best forum possible, then buzz off. a lot of work goes into making this happen the way it does, for you to use for free, and although we're not perfect i dont think i'm tooting my own horn by saying its been pretty successful so far.
bryan

[criz]

So what makes this all better? Moderators apologizing? Already in this thread there is some disagreement of this favortism... maybe favortism isn't the right word in that there is inconsistency in the degree of moderator involvement. With all the threads popping up in the forum and the growing rate of members there is going to be error in catching every thread. We do need more moderators and Troll is taking care of that carefully.

I am very interested in seeing how this pans out when the moderators start checking out this thread.

It sucks that people are losing faith in TST but then again it is difficult to please everyone

[Gorilla Unit 33]

I was linked this post also from gorilla and i do believe i was linked it because he think i am shown favoritism.
once again NO im not linkin people to this thread cause i think there shown favortisim im linking them to it so this topic is acknowledged (sp?)
...really i dont care to talk to u although i wouldnt doubt that there has been an incedent where ur veiw was favored by a moderator(s)

[Intercooled T]

people aren't losing faith, things just have to be consistent to be fair. that's all.

question: how many mods are there? just curious?

[S4toSTI]

edit

[S4toSTI]

once again NO im not linkin people to this thread cause i think there shown favortisim im linking them to it so this topic is acknowledged (sp?)
...really i dont care to talk to u although i wouldnt doubt that there has been an incedent where ur veiw was favored by a moderator(s)
and you don't care to talk to me cause sandra called you a ***** and i said "+1" i think you are being very immature.

[Intercooled T]

let's have a pity party, really.

i'm glad Gorilla said what he said, maybe this will change some people's outlooks on posting.

[SilverTurboRidin]

i think there are 4-5 now chris

[xEJ20x]

Current Mods:

Troll
the Mike
tehDirt
2point4DSM
alachua
Silver04STi
272sWRX
SexyDSM95

[SilverTurboRidin]

Correction....lol 8 but aernt 2 of em admins?

[Gorilla Unit 33]

unless you can pull up 10 examples of where you were treated differently than another member then i think its less of an issue of being unfair
i may not have 10 examples but i bet u theres more people who will have the same opinion with me that will be postin later on when u know when people get home from there real jobs/life.

but i do have one question how many mods on here arent friends with eachother ? or have no exising relations with another mod other then maybe a hand shake here and there or a whats up

[xEJ20x]

Correction....lol 8 but aernt 2 of em admins?

I got my list from goin to the forum view page and looking at the mods' forum domains. :mrgreen:

[Gorilla Unit 33]

the only mods i ever met an/or had any contact with other then online were 2point4dsm, who is an extremely cool guy in my book, and the Mike, who i also find to be a friendly guy i met him when little g bought his exhaust im preety sure.

[TROLL]

listen, making a thread like this in my opinion is you abusing your power. you are blowing this out of proportion, and when others read this they may believe what they see (which looks to be happening to some extent already).
this is a damn good site and it could be ruined if people dont realize that everything they say goes out to an audience of 1000-4000 people (about 4000 unique visits per month) and people believe what they read far too often.
so next time you want to make accusations make sure that they are legitimate and that you're not just blowing off some steam because its not to be taken lightly.
bryan

[Gorilla Unit 33]

i dont care how its taken ovioously sumtin is going on when i get a pm from a annonymous tst member sayin:

"I'm done with this place. Out. Finished. Through.

The Mods here play favorites, close threads that don't need to be closed, bitc h about trivial shi t, police everyone except their friends, and people are just f *cking stupid. If I post again, I'll most likely shoot off my mouth and just get banned.

You got my number, let me know what's going down or when these mother f *ckers grow up.

As for me, f *ck it. I'm done."
- a good friend

[igo4bmx]

Gorilla... let me try to understand what you're really saying

Sandra called me *** (even though i am NOT) = acceptable..
you and your friend's making fun of each other online = closed thread...

is that what the argument is based upon at the moment? Just asking

[TROLL]

if he or she had an issue he could have contacted myself or a moderator about it and we would have addressed the issue, just like we are doing here. not saying anything and then just blowing up isnt going to do anyone any good, and really gets no sympathy from me at all.
and just to restate, if this is all about using the h word then get over it, i know i have. this is not directed towards you but with so many good things here, i cant believe the little trivial stuff people find to get worked up about sometimes.
bryan

[SilverTurboRidin]

Hasnt this topic been discussed before bryan?? LOL

[99SL2_Modder]

Hasnt this topic been discussed before bryan?? LOL

Many many many times. Drove it so far into the ground that even the people beating the dead horse are tired.

[JasterM5]

I believe this thread is improperly based. I haven’t read any of the referring posts before I got linked this thread. After careful examination I have come to a conclusion. While both may seem as referring to the "****sexual;" one was referring to the act and using the derogatory word, and the other was insinuating as a joke. While both were a joke amongst friends the "art museum" thread was a constant use of the word. This is not favoritism. It’s the same rule that applies to TV. Why can "Family Guy" insinuate to ***s and the act but can’t say it. It’s just how it is.

The art museum thread was locked because every other post had the word **** in it. That word is blocked by the swear filter. If you see a word that blocked by the filter why continue to use it?

People in the past got banned for a blatant disregard for the rules. One of the four rules is the swear filter. If you disregard it, it's a cause for action. Its not hard to follow. There are only 4 rules here I don't see how people can continue to have a problem with them.

That's just my 2 cents. And now we return you to your regularly scheduled program.

PS: Some of you need to start proofreading your posts before you actually post them. Be cause I can’t decipher some of this:

I understand it might not be a who knows who thing but whatever it is, it’s got too stop.

*edited for spelling, :) one got through my own proof-read.*

[Gorilla Unit 33]

"so i guess all this talk of '****s' is acceptable because your cracking on eachother? i thought this was against the rules, but maybe i am wrong...

sorry to be a crabby old lady but i think it's low class, derisive towards *** people or not."-Car Widow

exactly my point if one thread gets shut down for it all threads should im not tryin to ruin everyone's party but look what was said little G's 7 **** thread about ****s was all joking and humorous and at the same time we chose to link pics of the art museum shoot that we had. nothing taking direct hit on any one that didnt know it was a joke NOR WAS IT OFF TOPIC WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS SHUT DOWN supposively.

[igo4bmx]

I believe this thread is improperly based. I haven’t read any of the referring posts before I got linked this thread. After careful examination I have come to a conclusion. While both may seem as referring to the "****sexual;" one was referring to the act and using the derogatory word, and the other was insinuating as a joke. While both were a joke amongst friends the "art museum" thread was a constant use of the word. This is not favoritism. It’s the same rule that applies to TV. Why can "Family Guy" insinuate to ***s and the act but can’t say it. It’s just how it is.

The art museum thread was locked because every other post had the word **** in it. That word is blocked by the swear filter. If you see a word that blocked by the filter why continue to use it?

That's just my 2 cents. And now we return you to your regularly scheduled program.

PS: Some of you need to start proofreading your posts before you actually post them. Be cause I can’t decipher some of this:


good reasoning...
do you play for teh other team?
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[S4toSTI]

How are people supposed to know you are kidding. If i just signed up on the website and didn't know you and matt and all the other guys were friends i would not think that the art museum thread was meant to be funny.

[JasterM5]

good reasoning...
do you play for teh other team?
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LOL, no... I'm just goin on technicalities.... I should be a lawyer. Too bad you need a paper for that.

[igo4bmx]

LOL, no... I'm just goin on technicalities.... I should be a lawyer. Too bad you need a paper for that.

my gf is studying law...
in three years i'm having her sue all yo asses

[S4toSTI]

Back on topic

[Gorilla Unit 33]

How are people supposed to know you are kidding. If i just signed up on the website and didn't know you and matt and all the other guys were friends i would not think that the art museum thread was meant to be funny.
like i stated before i think its ovious u could tell it was all humor bcause almost every other post had a lol in it

[SilverTurboRidin]

Many many many times. Drove it so far into the ground that even the people beating the dead horse are tired.


Indeed.

LJ, once before i too seen this point but sometimes there are more than one side of a story....Hopefully you catch my drift partnarrr :wink:

[Intercooled T]

too many people care whether a thread is on topic.

mods are supposed to arbitrate, not give their 2 cents to every thread.

[S4toSTI]

like i stated before i think its ovious u could tell it was all humor bcause almost every other post had a lol in it
LJ i am just saying it doesn't paint a good picture for someone new that is all i understand that it was humerous and there were "lol's" in the posts but that still doesn't make it right. I thought it was funny but that doesn't mean everyone did. And personally i don't think using words that are derogatory to certain groups is cool. Hey i am at fault too i use words like that alll the time and it is wrong and childish but well i am sometimes. But that doesn't mean it is cool to call people ***gots or ****s or anything relating to ****sexual people in a negative way. If you used a word that was offensive to black people on here do you think joking or not some would be offended by it. I don't know your ethincity but if i made a crack about that to someone else would you be coool with it, i don't think so. Put yourself in someone elses shoes here joking or not calliong someone *** or a **** or a ***got could be offensive to someone who is of that persuasion on this site.

See i hate that i was trying to say something and use a normal english word and it won't let me that is silly.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

LJ i am just saying it doesn't paint a good picture for someone new that is all i understand that it was humerous and there were "lol's" in the posts but that still doesn't make it right. I thought it was funny but that doesn't mean everyone did. And personally i don't think using words that are derogatory to certain groups is cool. Hey i am at fault too i use words like that alll the time and it is wrong and childish but well i am sometimes. But that doesn't mean it is cool to call people ***gots or ****s or anything relating to ****sexual people in a negative way. If you used a word that was offensive to black people on here do you think joking or not some would be offended by it. I don't know your ethincity but if i made a crack about that to someone else would you be coool with it, i don't think so. Put yourself in someone elses shoes here joking or not calliong someone *** or a **** or a ***got could be offensive to someone who is of that persuasion on this site.

See i hate that i was trying to say something and use a normal english word and it won't let me that is silly.

in the words of TROLL :
"TurbosBeforeHos: everyone needs to just relax and chill out
TurbosBeforeHos: dont let stuff bother you
TurbosBeforeHos: and dont take everything so personally"

so if someone did let that thread bother them, take trolls advice, dont

[teh DIRT]

:cry:

favortism. i keep hearing it but dont get it. I couldnt point out half of this moderator team in a crowd if i tried. saying that we are all close friends is a joke. maybe we all get along, but thats just because we are all working towards the same goal.

and saying that we view threads differently depending on who started them is :bs: . I dont really want to defend myself here....because i dont need to. If you dont feel that our getting the attention you need...go hire a babysitter

[S4toSTI]

in the words of TROLL :
"TurbosBeforeHos: everyone needs to just relax and chill out
TurbosBeforeHos: dont let stuff bother you
TurbosBeforeHos: and dont take everything so personally"

so if someone did let that thread bother them, take trolls advice, dont
Ok relax and chill out is one thing when someone uses a word that can insult alot of people that is different.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

:cry:

favortism. i keep hearing it but dont get it.
last time i checked u were a moderator and in no way did i ever say u get favored im just sayin that i guess um of u are blind to the fact that others are treated differently, by moderators, then personal or close friends of moderators

[S4toSTI]

To be honest i am friends with bryan and pete and i get yelled at more then most would think to cut stuff out and stop saying something i got one this morning from bryan about my posts in this thread so don't think that people who are firends with them don't get warned as well. I think all of the mopderators do a good job of keeping the forum and personal friendships seperate but hey that is just me.

[DropTopChevy]

I personally dont know too many people on this site and i just keep myself in the middle watching what i say. I'm not really a joke kind of person, I read them but i dont post any? Im fine with the way this site is run. But i have seen threads closed for the wrong reasons like when Clint was showing that Cavalier with all of the body work was closed, and the thread with the Ihaterice was not closed due to how much fun was had. Sometimes it does seem like the standards arent always the same for what gets closed and what crosses the line and stays open. I think that people should get to know each other before they express harsh opinions that may offend the person they are expressing this towards. It all about their tolerance, because you wouldn't understand why some random person off the street you dont know would come up to you and call you an ***hole, If it is some sort of inside joke to them. Just have respect for others.

Miller

[teh DIRT]

last time i checked u were a moderator and in no way did i ever say u get favored im just sayin that i guess um of u are blind to the fact that others are treated differently, by moderators, then personal or close friends of moderators

yeah but your saying, by using moderators as a whole, that i show favortism. :bs:

[sisforsurfing]

I didn't notice anything before I read this thread... maybe this is something that should be taken directly to mods if you have a problem with it, otherwise there's no reason (in my opinion) to stir up the e-nest.
It's the internet, things can't be taken too personally. If I were to feel mistreated, I'd contact that person rather than talking about it in public forum.
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[SilverTurboRidin]

yeah but your saying, by using moderators as a whole, that i show favortism. :bs:


Pete favors me over all :o :-p

[Gorilla Unit 33]

yeah but your saying, by using moderators as a whole, that i show favortism. :bs:
ok well maybe i have not seen you use "favortism" but i have seen others

[99SL2_Modder]

Pete favors me over all :o :-p

No comment. :finga:

[esmith13]

Well, I know I'm new here, but I am a Moderator on EPhatch and I think I have a fair comment...

On EPhatch, when a user gripes about how the moderators "handle their business" it's explained to them like this:

"Moderators on this site are users like you, they just have additional responsibilities to help the community. They don't get paid - their not employees of the site. They volunteer their time to help keep this place clean and orderly - so everyone that comes here can get what they need easily and efficiently. They are not machines - they have feelings and opinions of their own. They make decisions on their own based on these feelings and opinions. As long as they continue to support the greater good, here, and volunteer their time to help out ALL users - the site will back their decisions and respect how they choose to manage their duties. Should a moderator ever over step their bounds, or become completely unfair to the users as a whole - they will be dealt with accordingly by the administrator. Bringing that imformation to the administrator is the duty of the users who where offended. The site, as a whole, is free. It is the blood, sweat and tears of people who do it for the community and for the love of doing it. If anything we decide as a whole displeases you - feel free to bring it to our attention for review. If we decide all is as it should be - and you don't like it - feel free to find the door. Their are pleantly of other people in line who would respect our wishes and in return share in our wealth of information that we provide"

Granted, i haven't been here long - but I feel the above is a general rule that all forums pretty much would agree with. It is how I, as a moderator, conduct myself on EPhatch. As such, I try to respect the wishes and rules on other sites because i know they have just as much, if not more, on their plate as I do back on my site...

E.

[99SL2_Modder]

Well, I know I'm new here, but I am a Moderator on EPhatch and I think I have a fair comment...

On EPhatch, when a user gripes about how the moderators "handle their business" it's explained to them like this:

"Moderators on this site are users like you, they just have additional responsibilities to help the community. They don't get paid - their not employees of the site. The volunteer their time to help keep this place clean and orderly - so everyone that comes here can get what they need easily and efficiently. They are not machines - they have feelings and opinions of their own. They make decisions on their own based on these feelings and opinions. As long as they continue to support the greater good, here, and volunteer their time to help out ALL users - the site will back their decisions and respect how they choose to manage their duties. Should a moderator ever over step their bounds, or become completely unfair to the users as a hole - they will be dealt with accordingly by the administrator. Bringing that imformation to the administrator is the duty of the users who where offended. The site, as a whole, is free. It is the blood, sweat and tears of people who do it for the community and for the love of doing it. If anything we decide as a whole displeases you - feel free to bring it to our attention for review. If we decide all is as it should be - and you don't like it - feel free to find the door. Their are pleantly of other people in line who would respect our wishes and in return share in our wealth of information that we provide"

Granted, i haven't been here long - but I feel the above is a general rule that all forums pretty much would agree with. It is how I, as a moderator, conduct myself on EPhatch. As such, I try to respect the wishes and rules on other sites because i know they have just as much, if not more, on their plate as I do back on my site...

E.

Well...fkin...said. :thumbup:

[esmith13]

Well...fkin...said. :thumbup:
thanks... took a while to type, but I think it was worth it...

E.

[S4toSTI]

thanks... took a while to type, but I think it was worth it...

E.
well i think that was very well said also thank you for taking the time.

[TehWagon]

Since I was quoted in this thread I'll take a sec to state my piece. With so many users and threads, lines will get crossed. People will constantly disagree with where exactly that line is. Best thing to do, imo, is if it offends you, report it. Point it out to the mods and they will do as they see fit.

G-unit, if you take this forum THIS seriously, I'd be concerned about your emotional well-being. This is not the first thread I've seen you being all 'woe-is-me'... if you feel like this so much, I'm suprised your still around, unless you like this negative attention for some reason.

Take a deep breath, put a smile on your face, and don't let stuff bother you so much.

Lets all have a beer. :partyman:

[S4toSTI]

Ash i think you make some good points but i feel like some people are offended/affected more by somethings then others, everyone is different and it is hard ot tell what will get under someones skin.


Can you buy me the beer cause i am not of age.

[JasterM5]

well i think that was very well said also thank you for taking the time.

I agree, I think this thread should be locked and further discussion about the subject should be taken up by Gorilla_Unit_33 with the Moderators or Troll as he wishes.

All further threads of similar topic should do the same.

[Jeffros Spec V]

I am going to have to agree with Gorilla on this.

Barry, your saying you get warned all the time just like everybody else. How many times have you gotten warned? I am at two and one more I am out. So do you have more than that? Do you save your PM's? I would love to see your warnings.

I agree with the rules, direct insults towards other members should result in a warning. But thats not the problem I see here. The problem is this still does happen, the only difference some people do it joking around and its known they are joking. Some do it joking around but others can't sense their sarcasm and than they get a warning.

There is to much inconsistinacy(I can't spell) within the few rules that are on this site.
Some people curse, and go around the curse filter and do they get a warning everytime? If so, I want to see everybody that has cursed in this thread to post up their warnings. I can gaureentee there will people that can't (because they didn't get one) post theirs.

Thanks, Jeff.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

[PRIVATE IM CONVO DELETED... BECAUSE IT WAS A PRIVATE CONVO... show some respect gorilla... -TROLL]

^^^^^^^
me and troll are going to continue talking later but there is no reason to close this thread so early there are still many people who havent yet got to voice there opinion a couple people who i know will back me also.

[S4toSTI]

Barry, your saying you get warned all the time just like everybody else. How many times have you gotten warned? I am at two and one more I am out. So do you have more than that? Do you save your PM's? I would love to see your warnings.

I do have one or two of the pm's but i don't feel it is appropriate to post them i am sorry. I don't think getting warned is always something so pertaining to a major thing. I have gotten a pm from troll saying to me you better edit this post or i will delete it something like that. The one today was basically the same thing tell me to stop starting more problems in this thread. Not that i was breaking any rules just i was kind of being an asshole and needed to stop.

[teh DIRT]

so why did you post a convo between you and troll? your going no where with this

[TehWagon]

i don't think violating the privacy of an im conversation is going to help your case any...

[Gorilla Unit 33]

an im convo isnt private i just posted it to show that me and troll have been talkin in no way was it ever intended to be kept private and if it was i have one word to say SORRY, but seriously im voicing my opinion

....on another note how do i post the BS flag when i need it im sry if u say sumtin has been done you have to show proof like i am doing on this thread so wheres the warnings? (screen shots please no made up BS)

[criz]

i don't think violating the privacy of an im conversation is going to help your case any...

I agree... Gorilla went over the edge... I can care less about his complaining now because he obviously is trying to dig up anything he can to make his point.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

I agree... Gorilla went over the edge... I can care less about his complaining now because he obviously is trying to dig up anything he can to make his point.
ok youve said enough i noticed you totally dont agree with me uve said it numerous times in this thread but what about the people that do agree with me? i have a list of counted 7 members and i know theres more to come

[TehWagon]

<--- losing interest in this thread... :roll:

[S4toSTI]

ok youve said enough i noticed you totally dont agree with me uve said it numerous times in this thread but what about the people that do agree with me? i have a list of counted 7 members and i know theres more to come
What are u trying to accomplish here and are the 7 people on the same page as you. I am confused at this point if you just feel as tho you have been wronged in some way or if you are trying to go somewhere with this.

[Blue32]

ENZO DUDE TO THE RESCUE.. HE"LL SAVE THIS THREAD!!

http://www.anything-auto.net/EVENTS/AUTO_SHOWS/Hartford_Concorso_2005/hartfordconcorso2005_169.jpg

[TehWagon]

:bigeek:
what the....

[S4toSTI]

:bigeek:
what the....
its something from vortex i think george is alittle goofy today he has to go to work soon and i think he is bored and doesn't wanna go.



Back on the topic train

[Blue32]

Me goofy. never

[TehWagon]

no i really want to know what was up with that dude- was that his car? is he for real? haha
i like this topic better. (sorry)

[S4toSTI]

Me goofy. never
cipot no kcab

[Blue32]

no i really want to know what was up with that dude- was that his car? is he for real? haha
i like this topic better. (sorry)

http://tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5997

[criz]

ok youve said enough i noticed you totally dont agree with me uve said it numerous times in this thread but what about the people that do agree with me? i have a list of counted 7 members and i know theres more to come

Dude, I really tried to roll with you on it and told you how I appreciated your intent of making this a better place but your tactics are childish. When you start to have a seriousconverstation with someone (over IM) you dont turn around and post it w/o at least telling them that.

I hope you find a point where you're happy with TST and maybe after discussing this in private with Troll you'll figure something out.

The 7 of you should have a private convo amongst yourselves and come up with some reasonable solutions to your problem and then discuss it with Troll or hell, the rest of us... this thread turned into a complaining rant that only compounds the problem so if you actually came to us with some reasonable solutions then I promise that i'd at least hear you out and try to work with you.

I'm not a mod but I've been with this group before the website was an idea and know Troll and the rest of the group long enough to know they're reasonable good people who would hear out solutions.

[Jeffros Spec V]

Thats like 5 or 6 posts from "Respected Members" that were completly off topic and irrelavent.

Give them a warning somebody.

This is what I am talking about. They won't get a warning. You see their name and assume they've been around long enough to let them slide.

[Jeffros Spec V]

Dude, I really tried to roll with you on it and told you how I appreciated your intent of making this a better place but your tactics are childish. When you start to have a seriousconverstation with someone (over IM) you dont turn around and post it w/o at least telling them that.

I hope you find a point where you're happy with TST and maybe after discussing this in private with Troll you'll figure something out.

The 7 of you should have a private convo amongst yourselves and come up with some reasonable solutions to your problem and then discuss it with Troll or hell, the rest of us... this thread turned into a complaining rant that only compounds the problem so if you actually came to us with some reasonable solutions then I promise that i'd at least hear you out and try to work with you.

I'm not a mod but I've been with this group before the website was an idea and know Troll and the rest of the group long enough to know they're reasonable good people who would hear out solutions.


Chris I see your point. I agree with you. A solution can't be heard when the people incharge don't think theres a problem. There is discrimination on this website and the only people who see it are the people affected.

[S4toSTI]

Chris I see your point. I agree with you. A solution can't be heard when the people incharge don't think theres a problem. There is discrimination on this website and the only people who see it are the people affected.
Discrimination... the only discrimination is calling people names. And on your commment about people getting warned over off topic posts well i am sure if we look back threw every post you have ever had there will be on or two ot posts. Back on the subject i think criz made a good point i think if you guys wrote up a email or something like that stating what u think needs to be changed and such and signed all your names and sent it off to troll i think you would find alot better results.

[igo4bmx]

Thats like 5 or 6 posts from "Respected Members" that were completly off topic and irrelavent.

Give them a warning somebody.

This is what I am talking about. They won't get a warning. You see their name and assume they've been around long enough to let them slide.


there is a difference between offtopic/tangents vs. offensive material...

[Intercooled T]

Thats like 5 or 6 posts from "Respected Members" that were completly off topic and irrelavent.

Give them a warning somebody.

This is what I am talking about. They won't get a warning. You see their name and assume they've been around long enough to let them slide.

That's pretty much the basis for this whole thread and why people are still talking about it. There is never going to be a perfect stream of threads w/ no interruption, but since it is the mods job to enforce this, it should be done to the best of their ability and to refrain from doing it themselves. (i'm not saying mods don't do their job, but you get the jist of it) Just think before you speak out on a thread (everybody), that's all.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Discrimination... the only discrimination is calling people names. And on your commment about people getting warned over off topic posts well i am sure if we look back threw every post you have ever had there will be on or two ot posts. Back on the subject i think criz made a good point i think if you guys wrote up a email or something like that stating what u think needs to be changed and such and signed all your names and sent it off to troll i think you would find alot better results.
too late for an e-mail were already talkin here and id like it to be open to everyone so that others that have found themselves offended in the past can come forth like members like Intercooled T, jeffros Spec V and numerous others and more still to come

[S4toSTI]

too late for an e-mail were already talkin here and id like it to be open to everyone so that others that have found themselves offended in the past can come forth like members like Intercooled T, jeffros Spec V and numerous others and more still to come
OK i see what you are saying with it already being public but what is this accomplishing by ranting about it in a non-formal and public manner.

[igo4bmx]

I would post the convo between me and gunit, but i rather not spark more crazy drama...

gunit you gotta understand... the two threads you're comparing aren't even equal in severity...
one has a derogatory term used "h-o-m-o" and another just insinuated ****erotic situations...

[Jeffros Spec V]

IMO I think people like Barry get treated differently than myself. I have no facts to prove this but thats how I feel.

I feel this because I see hiim a 100% pro Tristate. Loves it and its owner. I feel you get off eaisier than others (that doesn't sound right.) What I mean is, I feel mods are a little more leanient (sp?) towards you cause they know you better than somebody like myself or Gorilla.

But if they are going to be easy with you they have to also be easy with somebody else that does the same stuff you do. I would love to know how manytimes you have gotten warned? Please tell me. Honestly. I bet its more than me and one more and I get banned.

[S4toSTI]

IMO I think people like Barry get treated differently than myself. I have no facts to prove this but thats how I feel.

I feel this because I see hiim a 100% pro Tristate. Loves it and its owner. I feel you get off eaisier than others (that doesn't sound right.) What I mean is, I feel mods are a little more leanient (sp?) towards you cause they know you better than somebody like myself or Gorilla.

But if they are going to be easy with you they have to also be easy with somebody else that does the same stuff you do. I would love to know how manytimes you have gotten warned? Please tell me. Honestly. I bet its more than me and one more and I get banned.
I have formly been warned once and told that it better not continue or further actions would be taken against me. When i said warned before i was referring to being told to try to stay on topic more and things of that nature.
I am sorry you feel as tho i get special treatment i don't feel that i do i don't feel as tho i have ever been treated differently because i have friends with bryan. Alot of people on this forum are friends with bryan and to be honest i don't see them being favored and that is the reason why i don't think i am either.

[igo4bmx]

IMO I think people like Barry get treated differently than myself. I have no facts to prove this but thats how I feel.

I feel this because I see hiim a 100% pro Tristate. Loves it and its owner. I feel you get off eaisier than others (that doesn't sound right.) What I mean is, I feel mods are a little more leanient (sp?) towards you cause they know you better than somebody like myself or Gorilla.

But if they are going to be easy with you they have to also be easy with somebody else that does the same stuff you do. I would love to know how manytimes you have gotten warned? Please tell me. Honestly. I bet its more than me and one more and I get banned.


that's life though... everywhere you go, there is bias, there is forgiveness, and inequality...
not matter what, you just have to play with the cards you're dealt.. or just suck up to troll...
err hope things get better :wiggle:

[TehWagon]

Jeff- this is odd coming from you; you've been around almost as long as any of us- i remember you being at the red robin/strayer meets???

[99SL2_Modder]

Jeff- this is odd coming from you; you've been around almost as long as any of us- i remember you being at the red robin/strayer meets???

Dammit! It's not Strayer! It's HCC!

[Jeffros Spec V]

Yeah. I have been around for a long time. I was one of the first non Suby guys there. Only Anthony and Ivan were before me that I can remember.

Everything up until recently has been awesome. Everybody was getting along. But giving somebody (a Mod) the right to delagate who is wrong in every situation on this board is going to end in contraversy(again sp?). Cause just like us, mods have their own feelings and opinions and its always going to differ. I am not trying to win anything here. I just wanted to point that out.

[TehWagon]

uhhhhh... did it change? cuz it used to say strayer at the top... :confused:

[igo4bmx]

Yeah. I have been around for a long time. I was one of the first non Suby guys there. Only Anthony and Ivan were before me that I can remember.

Everything up until recently has been awesome. Everybody was getting along. But giving somebody (a Mod) the right to delagate who is wrong in every situation on this board is going to end in contraversy(again sp?). Cause just like us, mods have their own feelings and opinions and its always going to differ. I am not trying to win anything here. I just wanted to point that out.

well thats when you go straight to troll and discuss this... not in a public thread...

[SilverTurboRidin]

Yeah. I have been around for a long time. I was one of the first non Suby guys there. Only Anthony and Ivan were before me that I can remember.

Everything up until recently has been awesome. Everybody was getting along. But giving somebody (a Mod) the right to delagate who is wrong in every situation on this board is going to end in contraversy(again sp?). Cause just like us, mods have their own feelings and opinions and its always going to differ. I am not trying to win anything here. I just wanted to point that out.


technically...lolll i was a first

[criz]

technically...lolll i was a first

no you weren't! but it was def cool that you joined the group

ON TOPIC:
You 7 people come up with a solution and then IM us again when you have something worth reading

[Jeffros Spec V]

Honestly I don't care that much. My feelings toward TST have already been altered as of late and if this topic wasn't here I would have never expressed my feelings. But since I agree with otherrs and there is a topic, I'll voice my opinion.

[Jeffros Spec V]

technically...lolll i was a first


Techincally, your about a winter and half a summer to late.



Chris. The only solution to this problem is to say listen. If somebody curses, they get warned. If somebody direspects somebody they get warned. Three warnings and your out.

Simple as that. Nobody gets off easy. No one curse word goes unwarned.

[igo4bmx]

technically...lolll i was a first


so true!
http://uploads.honda-rally.com//files/1/silverlol.gif

[Jeffros Spec V]

ahahahah thats funny.



BOT, doesn't anybdoy understand the point I am trying to make?

[Gorilla Unit 33]

wow lol ... i hate to sound like a mod but stay on topic please

[S4toSTI]

Techincally, your about a winter and half a summer to late.



Chris. The only solution to this problem is to say listen. If somebody curses, they get warned. If somebody direspects somebody they get warned. Three warnings and your out.

Simple as that. Nobody gets off easy. No one curse word goes unwarned.
There is a swear filter and do you really think it is resonable for someone to get banned over cursing don't dodge the fliter and you iwll be fine.

[Smokescreen]

Honestly I don't care that much. My feelings toward TST have already been altered as of late and if this topic wasn't here I would have never expressed my feelings. But since I agree with otherrs and there is a topic, I'll voice my opinion.
+1

I'll agree with G-unit on this. There may be more people that feel the same, but we all have a different way of dealing. This is the Internet. I just don't care what is said on here. I do care when I see stuff go unchecked and nothing done about it. Favoritism IS a bitch. BMX is right, though. This isn't just in here, it is found everywhere. It is your right (and mine) to come and go as we please. Just gotta play you cards.

And even though I don't post much and do disagree with the way some things are handled here, I will still refer people to this website. I average about 2-3 per wk, whether they join or not is on them. I've done my part.


So what makes this all better?
Get more mods....?

[Jeffros Spec V]

There is a swear filter and do you really think it is resonable for someone to get banned over cursing don't dodge the fliter and you iwll be fine.



Ok, than why do I get warned for cursing?

[S4toSTI]

Ok, than why do I get warned for cursing?
Did you dodge the filter.

[Jeffros Spec V]

Did you dodge the filter.



Nope.

[99SL2_Modder]

uhhhhh... did it change? cuz it used to say strayer at the top... :confused:

It was never Strayer. Strayer has the bottom part of the HCC. I built Strayer's place. I build a lot of the real estate offices above it too.

HCC = Horizon Corporate Center. That's what it is. Strayer just rents the basement portion.

[TROLL]

ok i'm on my break from work...
i have a lot of things i'd like to respond with, but the first and most important thing i'd like to highlight is...

i have intended to rewrite and publish a very detailed list of forum rules for some time now. other things have taken priority and i still do not have this finished. this thread makes it clear that this new list of rules is important so that users will know their boundaries, and moderators will know how to respond in a consistent manner. i do hope and believe that once this is up it will clear up some of the problems stated above.

and to address the 'favoritism' one last time... there is absolutely no intentional favoritism. but i do admit that we are far from perfect and i'm sure mistakes have been made through time.
i hate to use examples, but jeff you've been way out of line twice (since we restructured the warning system with the new forum). wayyy out of line where you are furious with someone and insulting them and cursing to death. i'm sure as you were typing your posts you knew that they would result in a warning. and you were right, that type of behavior constitutes an official warning.
and since everyone likes to use barry as an example, he has never done anything that extreme. he has maybe called someone g-a-y or had an obnoxious signature (or three) or just involved himself in a thread where he doesnt belong. most of these actions constitute an informal warning, which are also given out when seen fit. they do not go against your record, but they are just a bit of a reminder that you are being watched and you shouldnt do the same thing again.
[edit-- and no one has ever been warned for cursing... they have done something else or intentionally and repeatedly dodged the swear filter after being told not to before]
thats the standard... and it is how we deal with everyone. i will explain this again and in further detail in the rules when i rewrite them. there's no way to tell for sure but i'd think that most of the official warnings given are expected by the member who is being warned. they are only given when the rules have been blatantly disregarded. when someone is joking around inappropriately it is usually just edited, and sometimes an informal warning will be sent.

standardizing actions among all of the moderators is a bit of a challenge, and i am working on it. again, an established list of rules will help with this, but regardless every moderator will act a little differently in any given situation, so you just have to get used to the different personalities here. i know on clubwrx there is one moderator i particularly do not like and i think he's a waste of space, whereas there is one who i particularly do like and think he does a great job moderating but keeping it friendly with everyone.

i read the whole thread but probably forgot to address a few things... i'll continue to read it though and we'll see where it goes. i dont want to close the thread because i dont want anyone to feel liek their voice isnt being heard so as long as it stays civil i'll leave it open. please try to stay on topic though so your message can be as clear and easy to understand as possible.

and gunit... there was nothing that i wouldnt mind being read in that IM convo, but just out of principal you were totally wrong posting a private conversation between us. there was a reason i contacted you privately about it and it was intended to stay that way. i personally think matters like this should be dealt with one on one, not in a forum where a million people chime in and kind of blur the initial point you're trying to make.

ok i'm done finally.
bryan

edit: i forgot to say... gunit... how many times have you PMd or IMd me about posts you want me to edit or take care of because you think someone is wronging you? every time i take a look at them and try to help out... so i have no idea how you dont think i'm trying to help you out just like everyone else.

edit 2 (posted above in context) [edit-- and no one has ever been warned for cursing... they have done something else or intentionally and repeatedly dodged the swear filter after being told not to before]

[SilverTurboRidin]

Nice Post Sugar

[Jeffros Spec V]

i have intended to rewrite and publish a very detailed list of forum rules for some time now. other things have taken priority and i still do not have this finished. this thread makes it clear that this new list of rules is important so that users will know their boundaries, and moderators will know how to respond in a consistent manner. i do hope and believe that once this is up it will clear up some of the problems stated above.



Exactly the point I've been trying to make. You make this happen. This forum will be a better place. But if it isn't consistent, there will continue to be posts like this. I am egerly awaiting the deployment of these new rules.





i hate to use examples, but jeff you've been way out of line twice (since we restructured the warning system with the new forum). wayyy out of line where you are furious with someone and insulting them and cursing to death. i

Once, I was out of line. I admit that. The other, while maybe a bit much, wasn't out of line. Cursing to death? That did not happen, but cursing did. It was actually only ONE curse word.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

i just have one final point here that i wanna make clear me and igo4bmx both came to agree upon, that is wrong. i know we may sit and laugh at this lol but in all reality both threads(listed originally) have equal amount of pros and cons yet only one gets shut down of being off topic, which it wasnt, and the one which a moderator took place in spreading a few words still stands.

[WhiteXFire]

I think one of the main issues here is that people have different personalities, and as such, will react very differently to things that are said or done. For example, I would never take anything posted about me as a personal attack, and even if it was an attack, I would just ignore it. I'm a very lighthearted person and joke playfully about things all the time. There are far more important things to worry about than what someone posts on an online forum. I came here because one of my friends (CarbonIS) encouraged me to join, and my only real goal was to enjoy it, hang out with new people, and learn something. I was always an "enthusiast" when it came to cars, but I certainly didn't know enough mechanically to do any kind of work on my own. I've learned a great deal about a lot of things from being around on the forum and at meets, but more importantly, I've had fun.

It's almost impossible for such a large group of people to fully agree on anything, especially when it's socially-oriented. Everyone is going to have their opinion, everyone is going to react differently, and some people will take more things seriously than others. Even if there was some way to make the "rules" 100% consistent, there will still be people who see it differently or just disagree with the rules. I know everyone's saying that "people need to chill out", and although I agree, I understand that it's not realistic. You can't tell someone to stop being who they are. If you take things personally, then it's just how it is. While others may see things differently, if you have a problem, then you should have every right to discuss it with someone running the site. That being said, I think it has been addressed enough in a public manner, and isn't really benefiting from it or being responded to anymore than a private IM or a PM would.

[2001orangess]

i had a similar problem on another board.. at least here, the threads haven't been locked yet and people can express their opinions.

took them a couple of hours to lock my thread and i was told to pm the mod, i did and he never pmed me back

[ITSTOCK]

I agree with the thread starter. A moderator locked a thread because the thread starter asked for honesty. I gave him the truth, and it got locked. That's not really on the moderator, but more on the ***** member that cried over being told to stop "modding" his ****box, it wasn't worth it.

Oh well. Oh yea, I also tried telling the truth about lambo. doors and how they are not a good idea for fat people (most kits don't open up very high, and we all know fat people have trouble bending down). I never "called" anyone fat, untill the other crybaby opened his mouth.

haha, oh well, that's what you get for talking to some of you ricers (most of you aren't ricers at all though :supz: ).

[SilverTurboRidin]

I think the entire idea...Gets blown outta proportion

[ITSTOCK]

And who cares about "FAVORITES". It's a part ot life (I disagree with the thread starter on that topic). Have you ever went to school? played sports? held a job? been in a family? There's always a favorite or two. Would you treat assholes like myself better than good, honest friends??? I don't think so.

I think the mods are doing a fine job, some of you just need to stop whining.

[SilverTurboRidin]

----[ :furious: aaaah justin... stay on topic damnit... ask for updates on life in PMs please -TROLL :furious: ]

[SexyDSM95]

Ok ok I am finally home and have read everyone's insight and every single page. LJ, you have met me in person and you most certainly met me at the meet. I was the girl in the green shirt who was lending you a hand on helping find the plug for the fog lights that were on the roof of Absolute. So to say that you never met nor spoke with me would be a lie on your part. I have never warned you or even PM'ed you in a derragatory way for that matter so showing favoritism is far out of the question in my eyes. What I posted was implying something that was an inside joke between IGO4BMX, me, and whoever was at my birthday bash at Finnegan's Wake. I apologize if it upset you or any other member on the forum, but it was directed towards IGO4BMX and had nothing to do with you. I can honestly tell you that I am aquaintinces with the other moderaters. I don't hang out with them on a daily basis nor do I talk to them everyday. I haven't even met one or two of them.

I agree with the thread starter. A moderator locked a thread because the thread starter asked for honesty. I gave him the truth, and it got locked. That's not really on the moderator, but more on the ***** member that cried over being told to stop "modding" his ****box, it wasn't worth it.

Oh well. Oh yea, I also tried telling the truth about lambo. doors and how they are not a good idea for fat people (most kits don't open up very high, and we all know fat people have trouble bending down). I never "called" anyone fat, untill the other crybaby opened his mouth.

haha, oh well, that's what you get for talking to some of you ricers (most of you aren't ricers at all though :supz: ).
As for you...if you read the first couple pages I asked nicely and even warned that I wanted maturity and facts as to why you did not like Saturns. You gave YOUR OPINION and no facts to back up your claims. Not only were your opinions offensive but they were also personal. Saying that he used PepBoys parts and the what not and accusing someone of ruining a vehicle or wasting their time/money is a personal attack when you had absolutely no facts to back up your claim. If you also would have noticed that two members (one being the thread starter) posted in that thread pretty much implying to lock it.

If anyone else has a problem or find anything offensive that is said or done then how come no one was contacted earlier? I agree with whoever (I'm sorry I forgot) posted about how this stuff becomes public and gets blown way out of proportion. The mature thing would have been to contact TROLL or anyone else (or even me since I was quoted/mentioned) to address the issue or concern. We are all semi-adults or adults here and you can ask anyone who knows me or has even spoke with me. I don't have temper tantrums, I don't bite people's heads off, and I certainly do not take action without a good un-biased reason.

P.S. LJ, it's obvious to me that you have a very personal issue towards me and hey whatever. Not everyone likes everyone and that's how the world works. Trust me, I won't lose any sleep over it but I wish you did contact me if you or anyone else felt I was out of line.

[ITSTOCK]

Ok ok I am finally home and have read everyone's insight and every single page. LJ, you have met me in person and you most certainly met me at the meet. I was the girl in the green shirt who was lending you a hand on helping find the plug for the fog lights that were on the roof of Absolute. So to say that you never met nor spoke with me would be a lie on your part. I have never warned you or even PM'ed you in a derragatory way for that matter so showing favoritism is far out of the question in my eyes. What I posted was implying something that was an inside joke between IGO4BMX, me, and whoever was at my birthday bash at Finnegan's Wake. I apologize if it upset you or any other member on the forum, but it was directed towards IGO4BMX and had nothing to do with you. I can honestly tell you that I am aquaintinces with the other moderaters. I don't hang out with them on a daily basis nor do I talk to them everyday. I haven't even met one or two of them.


As for you...if you read the first couple pages I asked nicely and even warned that I wanted maturity and facts as to why you did not like Saturns. You gave YOUR OPINION and no facts to back up your claims. Not only were your opinions offensive but they were also personal. Saying that he used PepBoys parts and the what not and accusing someone of ruining a vehicle or wasting their time/money is a personal attack when you had absolutely no facts to back up your claim. If you also would have noticed that two members (one being the thread starter) posted in that thread pretty much implying to lock it.

If anyone else has a problem or find anything offensive that is said or done then how come no one was contacted earlier? I agree with whoever (I'm sorry I forgot) posted about how this stuff becomes public and gets blown way out of proportion. The mature thing would have been to contact TROLL or anyone else (or even me since I was quoted/mentioned) to address the issue or concern. We are all semi-adults or adults here and you can ask anyone who knows me or has even spoke with me. I don't have temper tantrums, I don't bite people's heads off, and I certainly do not take action without a good un-biased reason.

lol, I really wasn't offended. I just don't understand how some people can ask for OPINIONS (I don't care what anyone states, that's what he was asking for is what it comes down to) and than get upset when they don't like them :screwy:

the internet's all fun and games to me, it's always amusing watching people get upset over it :lol:

[xEJ20x]

Don't worry Sandra, I still love you even without alcohol in my system. :mrgreen:


But back onto the topic: When dealing with forums, you have to take somethings people say with a grain of salt.

Or in my case, a shot of Jack. :mrgreen:

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Ok ok I am finally home and have read everyone's insight and every single page. LJ, you have met me in person and you most certainly met me at the meet. I was the girl in the green shirt who was lending you a hand on helping find the plug for the fog lights that were on the roof of Absolute.

P.S. LJ, it's obvious to me that you have a very personal issue towards me and hey whatever. Not everyone likes everyone and that's how the world works. Trust me, I won't lose any sleep over it but I wish you did contact me if you or anyone else felt I was out of line.
whoa whoa whao when and where did i single you out and say that i have a problem with you? and you only? no i have a problem with people who take advantage of there power and refuse to look at themselves and what theyve done. if u dont understand, that i wanna be able to say sumtin along the lines of what you have said with out being censored or locked like you, then i dunno what to tell u.

[LSHatch]

There is favoritism. You can't get rid of it. It's called being friends.

Plenty of the "in's" post way off topic and it's not a big deal. I don't care. It's life.

I take up my quarrals about the forum directly with the dictator. He and I have had many discussions about the forum. But, versus just arguing, we both try to come up with ways to better the place for everyone. Because, I like most of you, am on the outside. I am perfectly happy with that.

All in all, this place is still pretty decent.

[ITSTOCK]

lol, this is too funny

[Little G]

I did have a lot to say about this topic but it was mostly said already....I was just wondering why my spotted post " 7 ****s at the art museum" was locked..(ok maybe we went over the edge with the h-word)....
But i see someone post a pic in the gallery section of the mike in a speedo thing(LOL..It was funny), holding a sign that says " Thats f*cking gross" and sexydsm says "Why don't you guys just post this in EVERY single thread." and nothing is said to the picture poster?? I would be more worried about visitors seeing that pic than seeing the h-word posted in a thread..(No offense to Themike)..But whatever its cool, i'm not worried about it, i like this site..

[272sWrx]

its always like that gorrila. Its called being friendly with people, but personally if i see anyone breaking swearfilters, your going to be warned, edited, or one of the other mods will take care of it.

[SexyDSM95]

I did have a lot to say about this topic but it was mostly said already....I was just wondering why my spotted post " 7 ****s at the art museum" was locked..(ok maybe we went over the edge with the h-word)....
But i see someone post a pic in the gallery section of the mike in a speedo thing(LOL..It was funny), holding a sign that says " Thats f*cking gross" and sexydsm says "Why don't you guys just post this in EVERY single thread." and nothing is said to the picture poster?? I would be more worried about visitors seeing that pic than seeing the h-word posted in a thread..(No offense to Themike)..But whatever its cool, i'm not worried about it, i like this site..
Um on my part that was sarcasm. Because that picture has been posted in at least 2-3 seperate threads. And I think the reason why your thread was closed was explained 2 or 3 pages ago. If any of you have problems as to why your threads were closed how come no one has contacted the moderator who did close it?

[Zeropistonz]

And now for something completely different: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/zeropistonz/Llama-3.jpg

[OutOfStock]

Yeah. I have been around for a long time. I was one of the first non Suby guys there. Only Anthony and Ivan were before me that I can remember.

Everything up until recently has been awesome. Everybody was getting along. But giving somebody (a Mod) the right to delagate who is wrong in every situation on this board is going to end in contraversy(again sp?). Cause just like us, mods have their own feelings and opinions and its always going to differ. I am not trying to win anything here. I just wanted to point that out.

i got ya both beat on the non suby thing..... :rock:

[HatchSurfer3]

Ok well I'm pretty new here, and i really like the site, im not tryin to make any waves here at all. There have been many good point made. I just sat here and read all 7 pages. Ive had all good experiences here so far, except one. There was a spotted thread in which myself and a few other people on here were called h-o-m-o-s (sorry for dodging the filter but its so everyone knows what im talking about), thats where the inside joke came from in the "7 ****s at the art museum" thread came from. A moderator saw that and as far as i know that person wasnt repramanded. Thats fine if he wasn't I wasn't going to get into a big arguement here I was just going to wait till I saw him at a meet and ask him about it. But I would just like to ask why it was ok for your inside joke to remain open and ok to continue but ours was not? I this the mods do a great job for the most part and I really enjoy this site, but I think the set of rules Troll mentioned will really help, and that all the moderators should talk about them, and make sure all are in accordance and on the same wave length.

PS Sorry for the long post, but everyone else was making long ones so i just wanted to fit in haha :lol:

[07BlackSS]

After reading the past 7 pages, I can see where everyone is comming from. I guess all gorilla is asking for is a little fairness around here. Obviously you arn't going to have total fairness and a couple things are either going to be overlooked or scrutenized a little more than others.

I think we should all just learn from this and try to be a little bit better towards each other here. I have had a lot of fun being apart of this forum considering we all get along and we all have different cars and everyone helps each other out. I was apart of Club Si and Honda-tech for awhile and the **** that goes on there is way worse than here.....I think we should all just move on and try to be nicer and not take things so personally....

[TROLL]

i agree that the other comment should have been edited, i'm not saying it shouldnt. so with that said, is there still a problem here? if someone wants to link me to it i'll be happy to edit it now... but its buried underneath a lot of other posts by now so i'm wasnt stressing about finding it.
bryan

[HatchSurfer3]

If you're referring to the post i was talking about i think the it was edited or the filter was turned on after it. I was referring more to the point of the personal attack from someone i have never spoken with before rather then the use of that word.

And also I just noticed, im really not trying to cause any problems with this question at all, its not talking about favoritism or anything im just curious as to why your (troll) avatar is ok giving the finger and saying ass but mine, saying the f word at the bottom wasn't? I only say this cauz I love the avatar I put up haha

[07BlackSS]

Joe on an extreme off topic note...I like you new avatar better!

[MuddyREX]

Wow. Eight pages.

Whoever feels no TST love can see me on Thursday night. I'll give them a hug.

Now, can we move along? There isn't a whole lot getting accomplished by all of the pissing and moaning in this thread. Most of what I have read is inconsequential whining. If you have a serious issue with the way the site is run, PM TROLL. I know that he will take the time to get it worked out with you. No one wants to see this site succeed more than he does.

[xEJ20x]

Anyone who feels no TST love has the option to stop coming to this site. :roll:

[SexyDSM95]

Ok well I'm pretty new here, and i really like the site, im not tryin to make any waves here at all. There have been many good point made. I just sat here and read all 7 pages. Ive had all good experiences here so far, except one. There was a spotted thread in which myself and a few other people on here were called h-o-m-o-s (sorry for dodging the filter but its so everyone knows what im talking about), thats where the inside joke came from in the "7 ****s at the art museum" thread came from. A moderator saw that and as far as i know that person wasnt repramanded. Thats fine if he wasn't I wasn't going to get into a big arguement here I was just going to wait till I saw him at a meet and ask him about it. But I would just like to ask why it was ok for your inside joke to remain open and ok to continue but ours was not? I this the mods do a great job for the most part and I really enjoy this site, but I think the set of rules Troll mentioned will really help, and that all the moderators should talk about them, and make sure all are in accordance and on the same wave length. I am more then assured something can be worked out.

PS Sorry for the long post, but everyone else was making long ones so i just wanted to fit in haha :lol:
If you feel that there was a problem or no good reason as to the lock then please speak with the moderater that locked it.

[TROLL]

i'll take a hug... but only from the ladies. a handshake or a pat on the back from the guys would be cool though :wiggle:
bryan

[HatchSurfer3]

If you feel that there was a problem or no good reason as to the lock then please speak with the moderater that locked it.

Ok this is just getting repetitive, so im just gonna stop asking questions cause obviously they aren't going to get answered

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Ok this is just getting repetitive, so im just gonna stop asking questions cause obviously they aren't going to get answered
... yeah they musta skipped over that like they skipped over that direct attack from the person you dont know

[Little G]

Um on my part that was sarcasm. Because that picture has been posted in at least 2-3 seperate threads. And I think the reason why your thread was closed was explained 2 or 3 pages ago. If any of you have problems as to why your threads were closed how come no one has contacted the moderator who did close it?

I know it was sarcasm and i didn't know it was posted in 2-3 other posts..But i was just saying that i didn't think that it should have been posted those couple times without anyone saying anything to them...But we were the ones being b*tched at..

[TROLL]

let me repeat that a sure way to have a post reviewed is to report it yourself. any member on the forum has the power to report a post... its the little red and white triangle with a ! in it, and its under "my garage" to the left of every post.
and to answer your question, which i had no idea what it was. the word in your avatar is a censored word on the forum. the word in my avatar is not a censored word on the forum. case and point.
bryan

[Gorilla Unit 33]

let me repeat that a sure way to have a post reviewed is to report it yourself. any member on the forum has the power to report a post... its the little red and white triangle with a ! in it, and its under "my garage" to the left of every post.
and to answer your question, which i had no idea what it was. the word in your avatar is a censored word on the forum. the word in my avatar is not a censored word on the forum. case and point.
bryan
i thought we already talked about this troll the middle finger refers to the sayiing "F*ck you" and thats why it could be deemed inaproprieate (sp) for the forums

[TROLL]

based on its current state, i'm not going to lock this thread, however because of the horse that is dead and being beaten nature of it, this will be my last contribution to it.
i said yes i suppose you could make an argument about my avatar. however you are the first person in over 9 months and over 900 members to say a word. there have been avatars in the past which people have contacted me without hours about saying they are inappropriate. my avatar is not one of them. so, how about we stop nitpickign at whatever we can find and appreciate the fact that this forum exists for you to use for absolutely free with no commitment required in any way on your part?
bryan

[xEJ20x]

I happen to like Troll's avatar.
Mostly because I understand the context of it. And I enjoy Initial D.

[HatchSurfer3]

its not i dont like it...but i liked mine as well, its cool though i guess ill just edit it to imply it or just keep the crazy little monster guy

[2point4DSM]

If you're referring to the post i was talking about i think the it was edited or the filter was turned on after it. I was referring more to the point of the personal attack from someone i have never spoken with before rather then the use of that word.

You guys have to realize that each moderator has their own style when it comes to modding. We don't have a 100 page manual that explains how to deal with everything.

I think what could have happened in this instance is it was edited and then the person got PM'd with a warning. Not every warning is posted for everyone else to see. Of course mods are suppose to let other mods know if there is a problem so the others can keep an eye out just in case.

(ps. I just checked with the rules and, actually, that is how we are suppose to to it, lol. )

i thought we already talked about this troll the middle finger refers to the sayiing "F*ck you" and thats why it could be deemed inaproprieate (sp) for the forums

We also have to take things in context. Troll's avatar has a different meaning than your picture where you were trying to prove you actually owned the car you have.

And Troll's avatar is sort of like a fancy nude oil painting versus a playboy pic. The fancy nude painting is on the edge but can be appreciated because there is a lot more to it.

[Gohan]

based on its current state, i'm not going to lock this thread, however because of the horse that is dead and being beaten nature of it, this will be my last contribution to it.
i said yes i suppose you could make an argument about my avatar. however you are the first person in over 9 months and over 900 members to say a word. there have been avatars in the past which people have contacted me without hours about saying they are inappropriate. my avatar is not one of them. so, how about we stop nitpickign at whatever we can find and appreciate the fact that this forum exists for you to use for absolutely free with no commitment required in any way on your part?
bryan

+1 :supz:

[99SL2_Modder]

Actually, now that I think about it. There IS a lot of favoritism.

All my threads get watched by the mods. :lol:

*edit*
I also think one of every mod has locked/edited a thread/post of mine.

[2point4DSM]

I also think one of every mod has locked/edited a thread/post of mine.

I don't think I have, yet, lol....

:)

[99SL2_Modder]

I don't think I have, yet, lol....

:)

Give it time. It'll happen.

[S4toSTI]

Give it time. It'll happen.
Yeah don't worry he will be a asshat and someone will lock or edit his thread... Goddamn saturn people. I hope when the new rules come out alot of people get a better idea of what is a good idea and what is a bad idea to put on the forum. Are the 7 guys who are unhappy feeling any better???

[2point4DSM]

Are the 7 guys who are unhappy feeling any better???Keep in mind a lot of people have been giving you guys a lot of attention lately. And hopefully it shows that we care....

:) :) :) :)

[HatchSurfer3]

Like i said before, its not that I was unhappy or anything, Ive only had one bad experience and i plan to take care of that on my own. I really like this place, most people are cool as hell, and i appreciate everything troll has put into this.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Yeah don't worry he will be a asshat and someone will lock or edit his thread... Goddamn saturn people. I hope when the new rules come out alot of people get a better idea of what is a good idea and what is a bad idea to put on the forum. Are the 7 guys who are unhappy feeling any better???
im not quiet sure where your getting 7 guys, possibly from the 7 ****s at the art museum, bescause if u counted right threw the 9 pages on this thread u would see theres 12 of us that were un happy with some situatiuons and the way there being handeld on these forums

[07BlackSS]

I really like this place, most people are cool as hell, and i appreciate everything troll has put into this.

I agree with him. I am not unhappy...just hoping this board doesn't turn into some of the other boards that i belong to.

[S4toSTI]

im not quiet sure where your getting 7 guys, possibly from the 7 ****s at the art museum, bescause if u counted right threw the 9 pages on this thread u would see theres 12 of us that were un happy with some situatiuons and the way there being handeld on these forums
sorry 12

[JasterM5]

Can't we all just get along? :cool:

[TehWagon]

+1 for the new list of rules. once we can all re-brief ourselves i believe less inconsistencies will arise.

[99SL2_Modder]

Just stare at the avatar and no one will be able to focus on anything else.

[2point4DSM]

Just stare at the avatar and no one will be able to focus on anything else.

No, no, no, no, no.... It's actually hurting my eyes.

Btw, I think the point has been made, and most importantly, Troll has gotten it, over and over again, actually, lol....

Now I think it's time to break it up... nothing left to see here, folks, lol.

And just remember to hit that, "help mod" button (aka, report bad post-triangle with exclamation point, on the left side of the screen) when you feel the need arises, lol. Because as hard as we all try we might not pick up on everything that needs to be addressed... right away.

[alachua]

did i ever even get a thank you for making you that nice avatar?

As far as the favortism thing goes...to be quite honest, i know less than 5 people on here outside of the forum and AIM. If you are clearly breaking the rules, I'll step in. If its a gray area, I'll confer with another mod, and usually err on the side of allowing it. I'll agree with what everyone else has said...we are humans, volunteering to make this place as good as we can. If you feel you've been wronged, let one of us know. Frankly, the most discouraging thing for me is that a number of warning PM's I have sent have gone unread...

-Cliff

[HickRocket1258]

Wow this is a long thread and I'm not even about to read all nine pages but I don't really know anyone personal here or are very good friends with them. There is only so much they can look after. They are doing a fine job I believe and I'm sure they all have jobs in the day that they have to attend to as well. They can't just look over this site 24/7. They try to do the best job thye can. Have some fun but don't go to far. You should know when to stop, I know when to.