Exton's GT-R

[ozthunder]

I clearly lied when I said I never saw it. :mrgreen:

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii76/clapton9286/DSC02484.jpg
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My cam died right after I took the better shots, but there will be plenty coming.

[SpEcRv9]

not sold yet? one of my fav car/wheel color combos they come in!

[Jon@WrightAgency]

I wonder if they need insurance for it??? :)

[ozthunder]

Of course it's sold, the owner is in the black shirt. It may be sold again though, for the right price. :wink:

[SpEcRv9]

dammit....when i saw that pic i said to myself i hope that dude didnt buy it lol...

[ozthunder]

Mr Insurance Man, chizeck your tizexts!

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Pat- he also owns Exton Nissan lol

[4g64FTL]

Now to get to know that guy...

[SpEcRv9]

:scratching off lotto tickets:

[ozthunder]

lol I need your number dude.

*waits for mr. tiga to upload pix*

[poisonivory]

nice pics....i'm ok with that guy buying it. I was just praying to god it wasn't the kid in the green shirt that bought it. lol

any idea how much it sold for?

[ozthunder]

I believe 15 over MSRP. On my camphone I have many more pics, including the sticker and all of that.

[poisonivory]

i'm just curious, when rare/limited cars like this come in...it is a "first come first serve" buying process, or is it open to bidding for a period of time?

[O'Doyle]

that car is so sexy.

Its kinda weird because the kid in the green took a picture of my group on a swing set for a skavenger hunt

[ozthunder]

lol that's odd.

For cars like this, most of the time it's who you know and how much you want to put down. I'm sure there are bidding wars, especially between dealers who want to get as much over MSRP as possible.

[poisonivory]

ahh understood, i'll never be able to afford something like this most likely, so i'll never have to worry about who i do and don't know. lol

[ozthunder]

Eh, don't say that. Sometimes you can live in cars like those.

[PUREKDM]

pretty

[poisonivory]

well i dont gamble or play the lottery, so the chances of me ever "hitting it big" are pretty much non-existant. I have no rich relatives to leave me anything, and i sit in a cubicle all day and make your average blue collar salary.

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say GTR > my financial status will EVER be. lol UNLESSSSSS, one of you wealthier SOB's wants to run my leg over so I can sue you. I promise I'll talke you for rides.

[bjune]

man that gtr is so sexy im a big fan of skyline my fav would be a r34 but that pretty damm nice car their best motor is still the rb26

[ozthunder]

I dunno..they think a simple retune on this and you have astronomical numbers.

[bjune]

i dont understand something u have corvettes and viper and even got this skyline so why isnt the r34 here

[SpEcRv9]

i dont understand something u have corvettes and viper and even got this skyline so why isnt the r34 here

for 1 this isnt a skyline...its a GTR, Nissan wouldnt bring the skyline name to the USDM market..there are r34s in the United States, they just technically arent "legal"

ps. this GTR has an exhaust and a tune and is 600whp...but they're still calling it a skyline lol.
http://www.carzi.com/wp-content/uploads/nissan-gtr-garage-defend.jpg
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[twastheglow]

I can't wait to see what kind of numbers will be put down when someone replaces the turbo's with something bigger.

[Slow_EJ8]

P.o.s., you couldn't get me to spend that much money on a Nissan to save my life. If people think other cars depreciate, I can't wait to see what these do

[TNTramair]

15K over Sticker?!?!? thats it??? my friend works for Oneil Nissan and they got 4 of them in....3 of them sold for over 100k. that dude got off cheap if thats acurate.

[ozthunder]

lol I he sorta owns the dealership, so I doubt he'd be fleeced.

[ozthunder]

And i guarantee if someone pays 100+ for it itd be gone...

[twastheglow]

P.o.s., you couldn't get me to spend that much money on a Nissan to save my life. If people think other cars depreciate, I can't wait to see what these do

There's no need to get you to, there are plenty of people that will/are.

[ozthunder]

P.o.s., you couldn't get me to spend that much money on a Nissan to save my life. If people think other cars depreciate, I can't wait to see what these do

lol..piece of ****?

Well the guy who owns one says they are built just as good as any other car he's been in/owned...and the list includes the precious Audi R8.

Which, btw, would be blown away by a GTR....









....in reverse.

[SpEcRv9]

i hope they depreciate like my spec v....so ill be in one by 2010 :cool:

[poisonivory]

what exactly is sticker on one of these?

[Tigawoods]

just a teaser. i want to edit these but i cant get to them until later tongiht

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[SpEcRv9]

what exactly is sticker on one of these?

sticker is 73k...east coast is generally seeing 20-30k markups and west coast is seeing 40-50k markups.

^pictures are sickkk

[ozthunder]

Don't listen to Pat. The sticker is anywhere between 69-73K lol

[twastheglow]

sticker is 73k...east coast is generally seeing 20-30k markups and west coast is seeing 40-50k markups.

^pictures are sickkk

If I lived on the West Coast, I certainly wouldn't mind taking a trip out east to save $20-30k. However, the people that are buying these don't give a **** about that amount of money...so nevermind. LOL

[SpEcRv9]

w/e the fact is I would jack it all over that car, and wouldnt even wipe it off....

[TNTramair]

P.o.s., you couldn't get me to spend that much money on a Nissan to save my life. If people think other cars depreciate, I can't wait to see what these do
same thing people said about the Supras when they came out....here we are 12 years later and they still pull $25k+.

[twastheglow]

^ lmfao!!!

[ozthunder]

lol the irony is that he's clearly a Honda fan, and you know, it's like throwing stones in a glasshouse.

Although I am very eager about the new NSX.

[poisonivory]

so 15k over sticker is still less than 90k...and you say ppl are paying over 100k for these? ridiculous if you ask me.

I admire them as much as the next person, but i would never spend 100k+ on a car "just to have it", when it only costs around 70k sticker. I'd have to be wealthy in the area of millions of dollars to warrant overspending like that. lol

[ozthunder]

Name another brand new car, with a warranty and all that jazz, for 100K that goes as fast as that does, and how it does it. Name it. I double dog dare you. :wink:

[Tigawoods]

well thats u haha..he is wealthy like that....very wealthy

[TNTramair]

give it a few months and they'll be sitting on dealer's lots and they'll have no choice but to sell them for sticker. you can get a Shelby GT500 for sticker anywhere now...they were going for sticker +25k when they came out but they hit the wall....could'nt get em sold. same might happen with these.

[TNTramair]

Name another brand new car, with a warranty and all that jazz, for 100K that goes as fast as that does, and how it does it. Name it. I double dog dare you. :wink:
Corvette ZR1...MSRP $100k (actually $98k)....will destroy this thing. the regular C6 Zo6 is equal in performance for about the same price. :wink: all with a factory warranty.

[SpEcRv9]

give it a few months and they'll be sitting on dealer's lots and they'll have no choice but to sell them for sticker. you can get a Shelby GT500 for sticker anywhere now...they were going for sticker +25k when they came out but they hit the wall....could'nt get em sold. same might happen with these.

GTR > GT500 2 completely different cars in 2 completely different leagues.

[SpEcRv9]

Corvette ZR1...MSRP $100k (actually $98k)....will destroy this thing. the regular C6 Zo6 is equal in performance for about the same price. :wink: all with a factory warranty.

destroy it? it beat it by like a little more than a second or two (or 3 lol) on the ring.....and in the GTR video it didnt even look like the guy driving it, was trying all that hard....

[ozthunder]

Corvette ZR1...MSRP $100k (actually $98k)....will destroy this thing. the regular C6 Zo6 is equal in performance for about the same price. :wink: all with a factory warranty.

lol BTW, not a single ZR1 will go for that price. And by destroy, you mean 3 seconds, then yes. But not destroyed, especially considering the ZR1 needs 100+ more hp and 400+ lbs less to do it.

And the GTR throttled the Z06 around the Ring. Throttled. Like 11 seconds kind of throttling.

Next?

Oh and BTW, the chief engineer of Nissan says not to worry too much, b/c that ZR1= King thing won't last for long. When the V Spec comes out and is closer to the MSRP of the ZR1, it'll probably beat it handily.

I mean think about it..a car with less hp, and more weight is already within 3 seconds. Think about adding hp and losing weight...physics = defied.

[CHAOS]

i was there... took these with my phone

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[ozthunder]

lol@them wanting 30 over for that. Christ almighty..

[CHAOS]

lol @ comparing a car that costs 30k more to this... dude compare it to the vspec, then come talk to us.

[ozthunder]

lol @ comparing a car that costs 30k more to this... dude compare it to the vspec, then come talk to us.

+1....all comparisons with the ZR1 are irrelevant, and those who think they are are just pissed the GTR handed the Z06 its ass (and then some, 11 seconds is not exactly a misshift lol)

BTW....7:29 on runflats. :wink:

[ozthunder]

http://www.gtrblog.com/media/blogs/gtrblog/GTRBlog/gtr-vs-zr1.jpg

Here is, what I believe, a small peak at what the V Spec will be (and that's not just b/c it has different wheels)...

http://www.gtr-world.net/media/4/20080714-motul-nismo-gtr-fsw-09.jpg
http://www.gtr-world.net/media/4/20080714-motul-nismo-gtr-fsw-08.jpg

[twastheglow]

Is there an approximate time frame as to when that's going to be released...Japan and here?

[ozthunder]

I'm sure there is..I've heard numerous reports..anywhere between Fall now and Spring 09. Who knows? I have heard that it may not even be the halo GTR..signaling towards a possible Z Tune model. Which, I won't lie, would make me sell my body for.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5181/2001238967426507855rssa4.jpg

[twastheglow]

So you're saying there's the possibility of 3 models?

[ozthunder]

Yes. Don't quote me on it, but I've heard enough rumors from a variety of very reliable sources that the V Spec will come, and that there could be another model. Remember, you have the LF-A and NSX coming. With an engine as potent as this, the possibilities are limitless IMHO, especially knowing how good the suspension and AWD is.

[twastheglow]

So, in theory, it's the base (if you can even call it that), Z-tune, then VSpec?

[ozthunder]

Nah, it'd be base, premium, V spec, then Z tune, or whatever Nismo designation it gets.

There could be R, S, N Tune. Remember how many the R34 had..now imagine it with an engine that can put out more power, easier. And suspension and drivetrain that are more advanced that almost anything out there. Possibilities? Limitless.

[CHR!S]

Now to get to know that guy...

...and date his daughter

[twastheglow]

If that's the case, it's going to have as many trim levels as a Silverado. LOL

[ozthunder]

lol not a bad thing IMO

[twastheglow]

I honestly didn't even know there was a base and a premium right now.

[TNTramair]

MAN.....you guys get butt hurt waaaayyyy too easy. you said name a car for $100k that comes close yadda yadda yadda....i named one, than you guys start with all the excuses...lmao. WOW!!!

tell ya what....how bout i Sh*t all over that GT-R for ya with my $20k american built P.o.S?!?! how would that make ya feel??

[ozthunder]

lol until you turned, and then it'd would rape you silly.

And you clearly didn't do your math correctly..the 100 for the GTR was with markup..the 100 for the ZR1 is MSRP...if you think you'll get one at MSRP, I want whatever ether you have, b/c that **** must be ****ing potent.

[CHAOS]

MAN.....you guys get butt hurt waaaayyyy too easy. you said name a car for $100k that comes close yadda yadda yadda....i named one, than you guys start with all the excuses...lmao. WOW!!!

tell ya what....how bout i Sh*t all over that GT-R for ya with my $20k american built P.o.S?!?! how would that make ya feel??

no one is butt hurt. :screwy:

dylan did say that, and i agree that the msrp is 100k supposedly... BUT.. it will be marked up just like the gtr. and therefore is not a 100k car.

and id love to see you **** all over a GTR ... but you wont because all you seem to know is drag racing... and the gtr is not a drag car.

[ozthunder]

Anyone who buys this car to solely drag race has their money sorely, sorely, sorely misplaced.

And further more, using the same logic, anyone who even brags about this car and it being beaten in a drag race has their brain sorely, sorely, sorely misplaced. :wink:

[TNTramair]

who said my car was built for drag racing?? its lowered with 18's on it...hardly a drag race set up. And it holds its own in the handling department...dont ya worry...lol.

and no one's braggin....i dont need to...im as low key as they get.

you guys can get back on topic now...lol

[CHAOS]

F body's are not meant to turn.


prove me otherwise.

[TNTramair]

no one is butt hurt. :screwy:

dylan did say that, and i agree that the msrp is 100k supposedly... BUT.. it will be marked up just like the gtr. and therefore is not a 100k car.

and id love to see you **** all over a GTR ... but you wont because all you seem to know is drag racing... and the gtr is not a drag car.

all i seem to know??? when did i say anything about drag racing??? just b/c you ASSumed b/c i own an american car thats all i know?? Fail.

dont worry....if im ever able to catch one on the street ill be sure to post the vid especially for you to see.

[ozthunder]

lol you really think that'll handle as well a GTR? Or did I read that wrong...

B/c you have to remember...this car, for it's competition..is underpowered and grossly overweight..yet still beats them. Still. Reference the Z06 comparison.

[TNTramair]

F body's are not meant to turn.


prove me otherwise.
what do i need to proove to you?? are you the god father of all GT-r's....if you approove, will i be aloud to race one?? oh pretty please!!:roll:

[SpEcRv9]

twisties + GTR >>>>>>>> twisties + trans am. 100% of the time..

EDIT: whats your definition of hold your own?...

[TNTramair]

lol you really think that'll handle as well a GTR? Or did I read that wrong...

B/c you have to remember...this car, for it's competition..is underpowered and grossly overweight..yet still beats them. Still. Reference the Z06 comparison.

nope..never said that. i said it would hold it own...dont worry.

[CHAOS]

all i seem to know??? when did i say anything about drag racing??? just b/c you ASSumed b/c i own an american car thats all i know?? Fail.

dont worry....if im ever able to catch one on the street ill be sure to post the vid especially for you to see.

lol oh snap street racing oh snap.

[ozthunder]

I wish I had my bar b/c I would follow this man around nonstop hoping he raced. Contingency fees? Cha-ching!

Pat speaks great troofz.

[CHAOS]

what do i need to proove to you?? are you the god father of all GT-r's....if you approove, will i be aloud to race one?? oh pretty please!!:roll:

what? i was talking about YOUR car .. not the GTR... i dont think your car can handle for ****. so prove me otherwise. i want you to open my eyes to your car "holding its own"

[TNTramair]

twisties + GTR >>>>>>>> twisties + trans am. 100% of the time..
100% huh....wow....cause there cant be a F-body out there somewhere that has a road racing set up huh?? :bigeek:

straight line accel + GT-R <<<<<< straight line accel + Zo6...100% of the time. whats your point???

[ozthunder]

Really? Explain how the GTR beats it on hp tracks then? And straight line accel of a GTR...to 60...3.2. What's the Z06? 3.6? 3.9? Yea...that's what I remember. Whatever it is..it's slower, and that's a proven fact.

[TNTramair]

what? i was talking about YOUR car .. not the GTR... i dont think your car can handle for ****. so prove me otherwise. i want you to open my eyes to your car "holding its own"
i dont need to proove anything to you....but if your that interested in seein what it has....come out to the NE on sunday nites and see it for yourself. your more than welcome.

[ozthunder]

The NE has a legit road course? Wow I just thought they had street racing. That's interesting. Lots of twisties in the NE?


Regardless, let's stay on topic. Exton has a GTR. It is awesome. If you want to make a GTR vs world thread, do so. I have more than enough time and resources to refute/argue as much as possible. Aye, skipper?

[TNTramair]

Really? Explain how the GTR beats it on hp tracks then? And straight line accel of a GTR...to 60...3.2. What's the Z06? 3.6? 3.9? Yea...that's what I remember. Whatever it is..it's slower, and that's a proven fact.

bringin out magazine specs now??? well i cant compete with that...it is what it is.

[CHAOS]

lol there arent any road courses or auto-x's on a sunday night... what are you planning on showing me?

[CHAOS]

magazine specs are better than your non-existant specs.

[ozthunder]

bringin out magazine specs now??? well i cant compete with that...it is what it is.

No. There's plenty of video recorded test drives and legitimate reviews to hold their own.

Welcome to the real world, circa 2003 when YouTube was discovered by a small Korean named Kiki.

[TNTramair]

The NE has a legit road course? Wow I just thought they had street racing. That's interesting. Lots of twisties in the NE?


Regardless, let's stay on topic. Exton has a GTR. It is awesome. If you want to make a GTR vs world thread, do so. I have more than enough time and resources to refute/argue as much as possible. Aye, skipper?

yeah...cause everyone that buys a GT-R is gonna take it to a road track to test it limits...:roll:. c'mon...dont be a douche bag...you guys started this whole mess and when i gave a legit vehicle...the **** hit the fan so dont preach to me about what my car can and cant do..mmmkkay cupcake.

yeah..back on topic...im done with the piss match

[Oakes]

100% huh....wow....cause there cant be a F-body out there somewhere that has a road racing set up huh?? :bigeek:

straight line accel + GT-R <<<<<< straight line accel + Zo6...100% of the time. whats your point???

The GTR has a quicker 0-60 (3.2 secs) than the Z06 (3.5 secs) They both have the same quarter mile times (11.6 sec, both trapping around 120 mph). Can you please stfu now? Read something, jesus.

[CHAOS]

lol ... we are "starting" this ****.. because we dont think you have a legit vehicle... we pretty much agree that it will go in a straight line very well.. but we also agree that its lackluster in handling... you seem to disagree and have nothing to back it up... yet want us to stop.

[ozthunder]

yeah...cause everyone that buys a GT-R is gonna take it to a road track to test it limits...:roll:. c'mon...dont be a douche bag...you guys started this whole mess and when i gave a legit vehicle...the **** hit the fan so dont preach to me about what my car can and cant do..mmmkkay cupcake.

yeah..back on topic...im done with the piss match

I hope you never step foot into an actual debate, b/c your contradiction skills are top ****ing notch, chief.

[TNTramair]

magazine specs are better than your non-existant specs.

what non-existant specs??? oh the ones i never posted...righttt!! gotcha.

[lagos]

Why did nissan engineer the GTR from the ground up, and spent months testing it to perfection when they could have just copied the amazing perfection that is the WS6 trans am!?!?! :screwy:

[twastheglow]

Is this really even going on in this thread? Or am I just seeing/reading things? LOL

[CHAOS]

what non-existant specs??? oh the ones i never posted...righttt!! gotcha.

... umm.. yea. the ones you didnt post. whats your 0-60 time? lol.


i thought you were done. dylan you owe me 5 bucks.

[twastheglow]

Why did nissan engineer the GTR from the ground up, and spent months testing it to perfection when they could have just copied the amazing perfection that is the WS6 trans am!?!?! :screwy:

I just giggled for quite a long time because of this. :lol::banana:

[SpEcRv9]

my only question is why do domestic owners hate the GTR so much?! I have not seen any hate but from people that own American muscle....the cars numbers are out there, they are impressive, and beat ALMOST any production car out there, and in its own is a groundbreaking vehicle....whats not to like about it?....

maybe im just an enthusiast of all cars and can understand that.

[Oakes]

yeah...cause everyone that buys a GT-R is gonna take it to a road track to test it limits...:roll:. c'mon...dont be a douche bag...you guys started this whole mess and when i gave a legit vehicle...the **** hit the fan so dont preach to me about what my car can and cant do..mmmkkay cupcake.

yeah..back on topic...im done with the piss match

Thats because street racing, on public roads, is retarded. I now lose respect for your idea that people shouldnt take it to the track. When you crash and kill a mom and her kids "Racing" a GTR, i hope you get a new asshole reamed open by your insurance company/the family you hit/any officers who show up to the scene.


TAKE IT TO THE TRACK.

[TNTramair]

yeah cause my sole purpose in life is try to debate with you clowns about an import on an import site. thats like wearing a cowboys jersey to the Linc....you cant win no matter what.

[twastheglow]

my only question is why do domestic owners hate the GTR so much?! I have not seen any hate but from people that own American muscle....the cars numbers are out there, they are impressive, and beat ALMOST any production car out there, and in its own is a groundbreaking vehicle....whats not to like about it?....

maybe im just an enthusiast of all cars and can understand that.

Now this is the question of the hour.

[ozthunder]

Probably b/c it ****s all over their precious Corvette. ZOMG the Vette is dead call Donald Rumsfeld!

[ozthunder]

yeah cause my sole purpose in life is try to debate with you clowns about an import on an import site. thats like wearing a cowboys jersey to the Linc....you cant win no matter what.

OMG. Regardless of WHO MAKES IT IT IS STILL VERY ****ING FAST. GET THE **** OVER IT CHESTER!

[CHAOS]

yeah cause my sole purpose in life is try to debate with you clowns about an import on an import site. thats like wearing a cowboys jersey to the Linc....you cant win no matter what.

where would you like to debate about it? we can come to one of your sites.

[twastheglow]

On a side note...Budweiser isn't even American anymore. How do you feel about that? LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[TNTramair]

my only question is why do domestic owners hate the GTR so much?! I have not seen any hate but from people that own American muscle....the cars numbers are out there, they are impressive, and beat ALMOST any production car out there, and in its own is a groundbreaking vehicle....whats not to like about it?....

maybe im just an enthusiast of all cars and can understand that.
for the record...i never said i hated the GT-r...i actually like it. i appreciate all cars. and it all got turned on me when OZ asked to name a car for 100K that can compete with it...and i did. went down hill from there...lol.

whatever......:rock: next.

[ozthunder]

lol but you failed to name one with markup that qualified. If you want to actually compare cars with MSRP...name one that's 70K. That's the Z06, and yet again, it beats that.

[TNTramair]

lol but you failed to name one with markup that qualified. If you want to actually compare cars with MSRP...name one that's 70K. That's the Z06, and yet again, it beats that.

ok JR...you win. it beats it...are ya happy now?

[CHAOS]

lol @ never having any qualified info to back up anything said. good work cheif.

[ozthunder]

Good ****. At least that wasn't a contradiction. :wink:

Now on topic...more pix to come!

[lagos]

Wait... i think i know... Hes just mad because they stole that GTR badge from his trans am!!!
ahahahahahaha

[TNTramair]

Wait... i think i know... Hes just mad because they stole that GTR badge from his trans am!!!
ahahahahahaha


HA H AHH AH....that was a good one...BRAVO!

[ozthunder]

wait... I think i know... Hes just mad because they stole that gtr badge from his trans am!!!
Ahahahahahaha

omg the ****ing roflcopter is circling my house!

[CHAOS]

lol this is pretty accurate

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/gogonn/domesticEthug.jpg

[TNTramair]

lol @ never having any qualified info to back up anything said. good work cheif.

i allready told you where you can see it. you can see whats done than make your ASSumptions.

[ozthunder]

lol as his attorney, I strongly advise him to not go to a place of illegal activities just to measure genitalia size.

[SpEcRv9]

the GTR will be the domestic vs import topic that brings TST to its knees!.

[CHAOS]

lol i already asked what you were going to show me? listen bubbles the retard seal, i already said i think its fast in a straight line... but you have yet to give me ANY reason to think it handles at all.

[Slow_EJ8]

lol..piece of ****?

Well the guy who owns one says they are built just as good as any other car he's been in/owned...and the list includes the precious Audi R8.

Which, btw, would be blown away by a GTR....









....in reverse.

Haha you gotta love mis-information. Do you realize that Nissan purposely underrated their engines so that it would put them in competition with the likes of the 911 turbo and R8? Have you seen any of the independent dyno tests of US Spec GT-R's? They basically underrated the hp of the car so that it would look like it was blowing out the likes of 911's when in actuality it was making significant more hp. 470 at the wheels to the 911's 480 at the crank, yeah...real fair comparison...:roll: Not saying that the cars aren't incredible but comparing them to 911's when they're making proven significantly more hp is just stupid.

[ozthunder]

Godzilla > TST

[CHAOS]

regardless of actual power output, the entire industry slotted it against the 911 turbo initially... now its a different story.

[lagos]

According to the latest Topgear... new gtr is putting out over 500hp at the wheels.

[ozthunder]

Btw, the R8 barely beats a C2S..the Turbo would have no problem with it.

And the US Spec did not dyno 470.


...also stuck the brand new car on the dyno with less than 100miles and recorded 423 hp at all wheels with 414 lbft of torque. He also noted that the torque split guage read 50% the entire dyno run so this is a fairly accurate four wheel power figure.

http://www.gtrblog.com/index.php/2008/07/12/us-delivered-gt-r-weighed-and-dyno-d?blog=4

http://www.gtrblog.com/media/blogs/gtrblog/USDeliveries/smithtown-004.jpg

[Slow_EJ8]

B/c you have to remember...this car, for it's competition..is underpowered and grossly overweight..yet still beats them. Still. Reference the Z06 comparison.

You sir, are a moron here's proof:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jJgvI9A1zcI

[ozthunder]

According to the latest Topgear... new gtr is putting out over 500hp at the wheels.

lol I dunno about all that, although it could be possible.

[ozthunder]

You sir, are a moron here's proof:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jJgvI9A1zcI

Not what the US one just did...

[twastheglow]

Ok...bottom line. This isn't even as much about you not being able to give a single car as an example as it is you saying your car could compete with the GTR. They asked what car in that price range would even come close to the performance of the Nissan. You gave an example that didn't qualify. No big deal. But where things went awry is where you made the mistake of saying your car is even in the same league as the GTR. I'm sorry, but your car is not.

[Slow_EJ8]

That is a US Spec car, written up by a AMERICAN magazine...get your head out of your ass

[ozthunder]

That is a US Spec car, written up by a AMERICAN magazine...get your head out of your ass

So the other dyno is lying?

He also noted that the torque split guage read 50% the entire dyno run so this is a fairly accurate four wheel power figure.


I'd trust an independent source over a mag ANY DAY of the week.

[Slow_EJ8]

So one dyno says 1 number and then 6 other dyno's say completely different and congruent numbers...hmmm wonder which one to trust???

[twastheglow]

Haha you gotta love mis-information. Do you realize that Nissan purposely underrated their engines so that it would put them in competition with the likes of the 911 turbo and R8? Have you seen any of the independent dyno tests of US Spec GT-R's? They basically underrated the hp of the car so that it would look like it was blowing out the likes of 911's when in actuality it was making significant more hp. 470 at the wheels to the 911's 480 at the crank, yeah...real fair comparison...:roll: Not saying that the cars aren't incredible but comparing them to 911's when they're making proven significantly more hp is just stupid.


Even if that's true, and I'm certainly not implying that it's not, no one is holding Porsche back from turning up the boost.

[Slow_EJ8]

Even if that's true, and I'm certainly not implying that it's not, no one is holding Porsche back from turning up the boost.

It's called a GT2, heard of it?

[ozthunder]

So one dyno says 1 number and then 6 other dyno's say completely different and congruent numbers...hmmm wonder which one to trust???

lol :roll:

Hey you wanted proof, that's the proof. There will be more to come since they've only really been here for 10 days. The more dynos, the more we will know where the range of power is in these things.

And btw, even if it is 550hp at the crank, it's still 400 lbs heavier than the ZR1 and I believe 500 heavier than the Z06. Explain that?

[twastheglow]

No, is that some kind of Korean car? Who makes that?

[ozthunder]

It's called a GT2, heard of it?

I've never heard of that, pray tell me what is it?





oh wait. That's the car in my avy! I forgot.

[twastheglow]

It's called a GT2, heard of it?

So you want to compare an $80k to a $180k+ car?

[ozthunder]

I absolutely adore the GT2, btw. And Porsche for that matter.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=125172
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2009_nissan_gt_r_dyno_test/results_analysis.html

They basically all say low 510, 520hp at the crank. Z06 has what...505?

So take that out...and the weight. What happens there? Voodoo?

[Slow_EJ8]

So you want to compare an $80k to a $180k+ car?

Haha it was never a comparison, it was a response to you whining about how Porsche never "turns up the boost"

[ozthunder]

BTW, the GT2 is a lot more than just a T with the boost turned up. A whole ****load more.

[twastheglow]

Haha it was never a comparison, it was a response to you whining about how Porsche never "turns up the boost"

Ummm, no. That was not what I meant at all. You are saying that the comparison of the GTR and the 911 was not fair because Nissan supposedly has more hp. What I'm saying is, it is a completely fair comparison. You can get a Nissan that out performs a Porsche on any level for the price...regardless of power output. Nissan shouldn't be handicapped because they built a car that KICKS ASS for cheap.

[ozthunder]

Yea, and BTW, apparently the GTR beats the GT2 at Buttonwillow, at least according to Steve Millen who took part in the comparo.

[ozthunder]

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Steve-Millen-and-the-GTR_170353.htm

....still waiting on those dynos....

[CHAOS]

So one dyno says 1 number and then 6 other dyno's say completely different and congruent numbers...hmmm wonder which one to trust???

show me 6 dynos that say the car did over 500 whp and ill believe you

from what i understand its mixed... because the engines are hand built.. some put out more than others... it really doesnt matters

[ozthunder]

Yea, god forbid it be mixed. Just like each tranny is tailored to the individual engine. No one accounts for that.

[SpEcRv9]

wait, so the GT-R is not the fastest most bestest car in the universe?! what the hell are we arguing about then? **** this GTR ****, Ultimate Aero FTW!!!!!....


jesus christ stop bitching, if you dont like the GTR dont post in the GTR thread...and we who do like the GTR wont post in your silly "______ Chevy's Frist ZR1" thread when its your guys turn to be this excited about a car....

WE LIKE IT. get over it.

[OBEEWON]

Everyone hates on what they dont understand.

I coughed on that GTR it now has my germs so its mine.

PS-nissan has a history of lying about horsepower...

[ozthunder]

lol if that was true, I woulda taken that **** around 11.

[OBEEWON]

If I owned that car I would quit my job and ride around naked in the supple leather. No one could stop me.
I would have to beat off the women with a stick.

[twastheglow]

And I bet you have just the stick in mind. LOL

[jhood99]

So now that the new GTR's are out , does the price on the old one go down?

[ozthunder]

You mean the ones you can't get here? lol

[mrmark]

I'm ready to buy, but my friend in Florida's trying to negotiate with his dealership....I'm not paying a dime over sticker.....:lol:

I can't stand when they do that.....but people will pay.

[ozthunder]

lol alright, cool.

I'm ready to buy too!

[05OCsrt-4]

lol alright, cool.

I'm ready to buy too!

you gotta wait, already bought it

[ozthunder]

Mother****er! :(

[Oakes]

If I owned that car I would quit my job and ride around naked in the supple leather. No one could stop me.
I would have to beat off the women with a stick.

signature.

[omgjacki]

Wow that thing is beautiful.

By the way... I sooooooooo called the velvet ropes.
Awesome, I didn't even think they were here yet. All the one's that are were imported so they're RHD. I guess that means Nissan started production of the LHD version, then. I didn't think it was happening until next year.

I'd like to go check this out but I'm sure it's behind a velvet rope and all so I won't bother. I know some people at Sloane Nissan so if they get one I'll be sure to share with you guys.

[O'Doyle]

I'm also ready to buy.

I'll talk them down i'm smooth like that.

[Oakes]

i was gonna trade in my house for one. they do that right?

[lasthope05]

Im not sure if anyone has already said this but theres a shop in philly that already has the new GT-R. I drove by the shop the other day and it was just sitting there at the front gate of the shop.

[ozthunder]

This one = SOLD.

PS if you want to know the Top Gear track time, PM me :wink:

[JC Turbo]

Z06 is sexier and faster :)

[twastheglow]

Here we go again...*waiting*

[SpEcRv9]

Z06 is sexier and faster :)

faster top speed yes...

faster around any track? no.

[OBEEWON]

faster top speed WITH GOVENOR yes...

faster around any track? no.

:eek:

[ozthunder]

If by faster you mean slower, then yes.

And btw, the GT-R absolutely obliterates the Z06 in almost all of the track challenges thus far. How one can still cry about it is beyond me..

[twastheglow]

If by faster you mean slower, then yes.

:rofl::rotfl:

[SpEcRv9]

I swear to God you guys with the z06 talk are gonna have to make me post the top gear GTR track time......dont ruin it for the people that wanna actually see it...*cough destroy the z06

does everyone forget the Z06 is the highest model of the corvette?

the GTR's highest model isnt out yet, but when it is it will beat the Z06 worse...and the ZR1 as well...

[twastheglow]

^ I sure love you and ozthunder!!!

[ozthunder]

Hey I call it like I see it. Except you don't really need to have it called, since it's so blatantly obvious.

[Jjaeger240]

Look how huge it is!

[TNTramair]

I swear to God you guys with the z06 talk are gonna have to make me post the top gear GTR track time......dont ruin it for the people that wanna actually see it...*cough destroy the z06

does everyone forget the Z06 is the highest model of the corvette?

the GTR's highest model isnt out yet, but when it is it will beat the Z06 worse...and the ZR1 as well...
:bigeek:..WOW!!:thumbup:

[TNTramair]

for entertainment purposes only....dont get all your panties in a bunch...k cupcakes??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qjmyt52-c8c

[ozthunder]

Ummm it's been said it'll win in those conditions...high horsepower, anyone? That proves nothing regarding the actual speed around track- especially where the GTR has been proven, time and time again to be faster.

Regardless, the actual track times speak for themselves. One video from ****ing Arabia doesn't prove a thing that the 50 other videos haven't.

lol@you taking some amateur video against actual, legitimately done comparisons.

[redline]

It's nice to see Nissan's flagship in all it's glory! when will the rest of the Japs follow suit?

Nissan: R35
Honda: NSX

[ozthunder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBZ5i15yVU8

There's a video of actual racing.

[TNTramair]

like i said...for entertainment only...thats all...;D

[TNTramair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBZ5i15yVU8

There's a video of actual racing.
i cant see this vid cause im at work but is it a vid of just the GT-R going around the track or is it a match up of both cars???

[redline]

Well if you are talking about the GTR and the ZR-1, I think it is more fair if you compare the GTR V-Spec (550hp) to the ZR-1 instead. It is rumored that it beat it around the nurburgring but well see. Also the ZR-1 was not stock as the GTR was. From what I have read the ZR-1 used a different rim/tire because they were scared the stock ones would break:lol:

GTR FTW!

[ozthunder]

I'm looking for the MT vid now (of both). It's the GTR's 7:29 run..

And FWIW, that's not a shocking video. In straight line matters, it is certainly a drivers race, and big hp+rwd usually wins. But the GTR makes its speed in the corners (hence I posted that video, and you, Mr. Ramair, knowing handling, will blatantly see that).

Street racing and straight line racing doesn't really matter for the GTR...it's not built for that. If it was, it'd have 600hp and RWD. This is a 480hp, 3800lb, AWD track weapon, and the tracks that have bends, curves, dips, and all that.

[ozthunder]

Well if you are talking about the GTR and the ZR-1, I think it is more fair if you compare the GTR V-Spec (550hp) to the ZR-1 instead. It is rumored that it beat it around the nurburgring but well see. Also the ZR-1 was not stock as the GTR was. From what I have read the ZR-1 used a different rim/tire because they were scared the stock ones would break:lol:

GTR FTW!

The GTR did it on the base Dunlops, which are runflats. A rumor was that they were cutslicks, but pistonheads took the blame for faulty translation. It's made abundantly clear in that video though (if you know japanese lol), and I believe several engineers have come out stating the tire/wheel setup.

[redline]

The GTR did it on the base Dunlops, which are runflats. A rumor was that they were cutslicks, but pistonheads took the blame for faulty translation. It's made abundantly clear in that video though (if you know japanese lol), and I believe several engineers have come out stating the tire/wheel setup.

Please enlighten use...I am not sure of what you speak of?

As far as I have read: GTR: Totally stock ZR1: Wheel/Tire combo

[SpEcRv9]

Dylan = knows everything about this car.

thanks again for the poster....it will replace the 06 eclipse gt poster I have on my wall...wtf was I thinking when I was 17....

[ozthunder]

When the 7:29 run was first announced, Pistonheads.co.uk (a car blog based in the UK, usually covers stuff like Lotus and TVR) said they had used "cut slick" tires. Now cut slick is more of verbal amalgamation than anything, and to have a "cut slick" or somewhat contradictory on just a prima facie base. Engineers who work for Nissan came out and said that they were not cut-slicks, but rather the Dunlop tires that come on the base 19" silver rims. There were lies and all that, perpetuated by Pistonheads and by people who don't want to believe what Nissan has done.

BTW, in watching that street racing video, it is abundantly clear that the car used was a premium or black model, and seeing as it is on the dry, it is using slower tires.

This quote is from an interview with Tochio Suzuki

‘This time was set on a totally standard car, just like a customer will get. For us ‘Time Attack’ must be repeatable in a customer car. No special brake pads or cut-slick tyres - everything was standard GTR.’ The time, set on April 8th, was achieved on the Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST tyre that is standard on the basic GTR (i.e. non Premium or ‘Black’ spec, which both have Bridgestone RE070R tyres). The Dunlop is a little noisier and not quite as good in the wet as the RE070R, but in the dry it’s worth 4-5 seconds around the ‘Ring.

http://www.gtrblog.com/index.php/2008/05/20/the-7-29-story-interview-with-tochio-suz?blog=4

This means that the GTR ran a 7:29 around the ring on STOCK TIRES AND WHEELS. A 480hp, 3800lb, AWD car lapped the Nurburgring faster than almost every supercar that ever laid waste. And it took a 600+hp, 400lb less car to beat it- by 3 seconds. So where does the speed come from? Physics tells you it can't be straight line- although the 0-60 mark of 3.2s is mind altering. Where it comes from is cornering- simply and unequivocally- the GTR has to be one of the fastest cornerers we have ever witnessed. That's why a "street racing video" is null and void when you have the GTR- it was not engineered for that. What it was engineered for- cornering and being a fast overall car- is what it does well, and in spades.

And lastly, regarding the ZR1 vs V Spec. The V Spec has been seen lapping the Ring at 7:25. If they can do that, and even better, it would have beaten the ZR1. I for one think it will, b/c I'm tired of speculating against Nissan when they repeatedly prove everyone wrong.

Pat- no problemo. I'll get you a legit brochue when I get a chance. I'm using mine as the basis for my model lol

[02cougakid]

does everyone forget the Z06 is the highest model of the corvette?

the GTR's highest model isnt out yet, but when it is it will beat the Z06 worse...and the ZR1 as well...

:bigeek: ok so i guess the ZR1 isnt a higer model than the Z06?

for entertainment purposes only....dont get all your panties in a bunch...k cupcakes??


Wow that Z06 must have been the special Oman edition cause theres no way Gods hand built GTR would get beat that much by a Chevy right? :-p

Well if you are talking about the GTR and the ZR-1, I think it is more fair if you compare the GTR V-Spec (550hp) to the ZR-1 instead. It is rumored that it beat it around the nurburgring but well see. Also the ZR-1 was not stock as the GTR was. From what I have read the ZR-1 used a different rim/tire because they were scared the stock ones would break:lol:

GTR FTW!

Have you ever heard the saying if grandma had balls shed be grandpa? just wondering :roll:

This means that the GTR ran a 7:29 around the ring on STOCK TIRES AND WHEELS. A 480hp, 3800lb, AWD car lapped the Nurburgring faster than almost every supercar that ever laid waste. And it took a 600+hp, 400lb less car to beat it- by 3 seconds. And lastly, regarding the ZR1 vs V Spec. The V Spec has been seen lapping the Ring at 7:25. If they can do that, and even better, it would have beaten the ZR1. I for one think it will, b/c I'm tired of speculating against Nissan when they repeatedly prove everyone wrong.


So you guys are saying the ZR1 only beat the GTR by 3 seconds right? So that would be 7:26, and the Spec V comes in at 7:25 which would beat the ZR1 by 1 second. And out of curiosity how much is the Spec V gonna cost?

So the ZR1 comes within a second of the Spec V in the "real racing" as you guys say, and would blow the doors off it on a straight line, so you tell me how how the Spec V is so much better???

Im not trying to start anything because i like the GTR and think its a great car BUT you guys seem like your just backing it but are being blind to the facts/numbers. Oh well, like the old saying goes theres no replacement for dislacement :lol:

But seriously enjoy the GTR and the Spec V they are truely amazing cars :cool:

[twastheglow]

:bigeek: ok so i guess the ZR1 isnt a higer model than the Z06?




Wow that Z06 must have been the special Oman edition cause theres no way Gods hand built GTR would get beat that much by a Chevy right? :-p



Have you ever heard the saying if grandma had balls shed be grandpa? just wondering :roll:



So you guys are saying the ZR1 only beat the GTR by 3 seconds right? So that would be 7:26, and the Spec V comes in at 7:25 which would beat the ZR1 by 1 second. And out of curiosity how much is the Spec V gonna cost?

So the ZR1 comes within a second of the Spec V in the "real racing" as you guys say, and would blow the doors off it on a straight line, so you tell me how how the Spec V is so much better???

Im not trying to start anything because i like the GTR and think its a great car BUT you guys seem like your just backing it but are being blind to the facts/numbers. Oh well, like the old saying goes theres no replacement for dislacement :lol:

But seriously enjoy the GTR and the Spec V they are truely amazing cars :cool:


*watching worms escape from the open can*

[SpEcRv9]

:bigeek: ok so i guess the ZR1 isnt a higer model than the Z06?

yes but that isnt out yet so therefore z06 is the highest model at this time...so this comparisson is between the UPGRADED corvette z06 and the regular BASE GTR in which case... Base GTR >>>>> best corvette availible right now.

i guess you didnt read the rest of the post where i mentioned how the upgraded GTR Vspec would take the upgraded model of the z06 a.k.a. ZR1 as well. and am pretty confident it will still cost less then the ZR1. its rumored to beat it by a second on the ring....and if the zr1 blows the doors off of it on the straights, why did the GTR specv/vspec still manage to beat it around the track after being BLOWN AWAY on the straights?...

[02cougakid]

yes but that isnt out yet so therefore z06 is the highest model at this time...so this comparisson is between the UPGRADED corvette z06 and the regular BASE GTR in which case... Base GTR >>>>> best corvette availible right now.

i guess you didnt read the rest of the post where i mentioned how the upgraded GTR Vspec would take the upgraded model of the z06 a.k.a. ZR1 as well. and am pretty confident it will still cost less then the ZR1.

oh my fault, i forgot im the ony one comparing the ZR1 and the Spec V :roll:

jump on me all you want i said what i felt and said i like the GTR but you guys are just acting like its the end all be all car

[twastheglow]

What is it with people with Pontiacs who keep bringing this up? LMFAO!!!

[SpEcRv9]

oh my fault, i forgot im the ony one comparing the ZR1 and the Spec V :roll:

jump on me all you want i said what i felt and said i like the GTR but you guys are just acting like its the end all be all car

yeah and the only people that arent acting like that are domestic owners who think the ZR1 is the be all and end all...

this thread was started as a dicussion about extons gtr, not its track times, the zr1's track times, the z06's track times or anything other then "hey this is extons nissan gtr".....but leave it to someone (domestic owner) to come talk **** about how his car would burn it....LULZ to be had.....

[02cougakid]

yeah and the only people that arent acting like that are domestic owners who think the ZR1 is the be all and end all...

this thread was started as a dicussion about extons gtr, not its track times, the zr1's track times, the z06's track times or anything other then "hey this is extons nissan gtr".....but leave it to someone (domestic owner) to come talk **** about how his car would burn it....LULZ to be had.....

I dont think the ZR1 is the be all end all of cars, nor do i think the GTR Spec V is either, both are awsome cars i would love to own but neither are the be all end all cars. Ok now that we have determined that Chevy >>>>>> Nissan :lol:

seriously though there was a GTR at Cherry Hill Nissan and some guys bought it and have it stored in a trailer around the corner from where i live, they drove it for 5 miles on 5th street then put it right in the trailer, only going to show it, not even RACE it :lol:

[SpEcRv9]

putting a nice car in a trailer to store it = fail.....cause i mean trailers cant be hooked up to trucks or anything right? lol.

[twastheglow]

seriously though there was a GTR at Cherry Hill Nissan and some guys bought it and have it stored in a trailer around the corner from where i live, they drove it for 5 miles on 5th street then put it right in the trailer, only going to show it, not even RACE it :lol:

If that's true, that sucks. It sucks that all the r&d/technology is going to just sit. They're not going to race it...fine. I probably wouldn't if I had one either. But not even drive it? That's just sad to me.

[02cougakid]

If that's true, that sucks. It sucks that all the r&d/technology is going to just sit. They're not going to race it...fine. I probably wouldn't if I had one either. But not even drive it? That's just sad to me.

i hear that, the guys that bought it are supossedly into some "shady" stuff, ill leave it at that. But apparently that 101k they bought it for is nothing to them. They had people calling offering 175 for it :eek:

its like the ps3/360/iphone but on a bigger scale :lol:

[twastheglow]

i hear that, the guys that bought it are supossedly into some "shady" stuff, ill leave it at that. But apparently that 101k they bought it for is nothing to them. They had people calling offering 175 for it :eek:

its like the ps3/360/iphone but on a bigger scale :lol:

They actually had people calling them offering $175k and didn't take it? That's crazy!!! And what do you mean by "shady stuff" just out of curiosity?

[SpEcRv9]

They actually had people calling them offering $175k and didn't take it? That's crazy!!! And what do you mean by "shady stuff" just out of curiosity?

id take that 175k and just get back in line for another GTR, and pocket the rest...

[02cougakid]

They actually had people calling them offering $175k and didn't take it? That's crazy!!! And what do you mean by "shady stuff" just out of curiosity?

this is all waht i heard from a person who said they knew the people who bought it, i dunno how much of it is true but it sounded right...shady stuff as in possible illegal distridution of certain things....and im just relaying again what i heard so i dont wana get anyone in trouble or pissed off so ill keep it at that.....

id take that 175k and just get back in line for another GTR, and pocket the rest...

x2 but some people just want it so bad right now that they dont care bout the money ya know? like the kids that bought the ps3/360 etc and kept it instead of selling it and waiting for the next batch

:screwy: to me but hey whatever floats your boat

[R22B]

I must admit - I really didn't like how they looked but they have grown on me A LOT.

[sean3]

x2 but some people just want it so bad right now that they dont care bout the money ya know? like the kids that bought the ps3/360 etc and kept it instead of selling it and waiting for the next batch

:screwy: to me but hey whatever floats your boat

Except the people who waited for a ps3/360 only would have profited a few hundred bucks and had been waiting months/years to play and enjoy the new games. This guy passed up 75k and waited those months to... store it :bigeek: I'll never understand people who spend a boatload on a car only to not drive or race it.

Can everyone shut up about the ZR1 vs Vspec thing and wait for a third party test with the same driver in each car?

[Oakes]

Can everyone shut up about the ZR1 vs Vspec thing and wait for a third party test with the same driver in each car?


:iagree:

[TNTramair]

wow...i had no idea just how much controversy there was over this GT-R at the Ring. claims of them using a "Ringer" car...which in fact was 1 of 3 us spec "Engineering vehicles" for the runs. also that they didnt actually complete the entire lap, as proof shows in these 2 pics:

the start:
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2039/picture18pi2.png
the finish:
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2954/picture19pa0.png

as you can see...when the clock starts, those buildings on the left are quite visible however when the time stops, those buildings are still wayy in the distance. not to mention...they skipped the entire Betonschleife section...which is worth 6-7 secs for a car like the GT-R. interesting.

there's also speculation that the "engineers" turned up the boost on that specific vehicle used.

also...the stock box Z06 that was used ran the Ring in 7:43 but it ran it from a stand still...not a "rolling start" as the GT-R did.

when the ZR1 ran the ring a month ago...it did it in 7:26.4 sec....with a strong headwind according to the Driver. so one begins to think......how is it possible a vehicle with over a 100HP more and about 500lbs less in weight only manage to be .3 sec faster than a car with "480hp and 38xxlb weight"???

i love the car...no doubt about it. but reading around and finding the little tid bits makes ya wonder what Nissan was trying to pull at the Ring with this car. my guess....they werent completely honest with everyone!

there has been no "official" time keep for this "Ring" run...only the vid above which in fact looks manufactured. but im sure with its release here in the states more facts will come to surface.

i didnt post this to start trouble...just wondering what you guys think of this info going around the net.

[02cougakid]

Except the people who waited for a ps3/360 only would have profited a few hundred bucks and had been waiting months/years to play and enjoy the new games. This guy passed up 75k and waited those months to... store it :bigeek: I'll never understand people who spend a boatload on a car only to not drive or race it.


i agree but what a ps3/360 is to us, the GTR is the same thing to some people who make A LOT more than us, so its the same but on a bigger scale. Either way Id take the 75k and not look back but oh well

wow...i had no idea just how much controversy there was over this GT-R at the Ring. claims of them using a "Ringer" car...which in fact was 1 of 3 us spec "Engineering vehicles" for the runs. also that they didnt actually complete the entire lap, as proof shows in these 2 pics:

the start:
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2039/picture18pi2.png
the finish:
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2954/picture19pa0.png

as you can see...when the clock starts, those buildings on the left are quite visible however when the time stops, those buildings are still wayy in the distance. not to mention...they skipped the entire Betonschleife section...which is worth 6-7 secs for a car like the GT-R. interesting.

there's also speculation that the "engineers" turned up the boost on that specific vehicle used.

also...the stock box Z06 that was used ran the Ring in 7:43 but it ran it from a stand still...not a "rolling start" as the GT-R did.

when the ZR1 ran the ring a month ago...it did it in 7:26.4 sec....with a strong headwind according to the Driver. so one begins to think......how is it possible a vehicle with over a 100HP more and about 500lbs less in weight only manage to be .3 sec faster than a car with "480hp and 38xxlb weight"???

i love the car...no doubt about it. but reading around and finding the little tid bits makes ya wonder what Nissan was trying to pull at the Ring with this car. my guess....they werent completely honest with everyone!

there has been no "official" time keep for this "Ring" run...only the vid above which in fact looks manufactured. but im sure with its release here in the states more facts will come to surface.

i didnt post this to start trouble...just wondering what you guys think of this info going around the net.

hmmmmm....lets hear the "realists" try to shoot this one down :-p

[SpEcRv9]

hmm Im not sure about all that so im sure dylan will clear it up 100x better then im about to..

All I know is besides the videos, everything else you said is speculation and not 100% true or false....it was also speculation that the GTR used the stock wheel/runflat tire combo and the ZR1 used a aftermarket race wheel/tire combo...its also speculation that the GTR was taking it easy, while the ZR1 was obviously balls out...

if you watch your precious ZR1 video of it lap the nurburgring youll notice the timer doesnt even start until hes about to enter the first corner....yet when he comes around the last corner the timer immediateley stops not accounting for at least 2 or 3 seconds of lap time...but thats not fishy right?...

JESUS H CHRIST once again, do either of these cars matter that much to you that you'll waste your life trying to prove that "this" is better than "that" by 2 seconds around a 13 mile ring, are you in the market for buying one?...then why is any of this GTR hype **** actually getting you ZR1 fans all butt hurt?...the GTR and ZR1 are impressive ****ing cars thats about the only thing thats sure here...so if we like the GTR let us like the GTR, if you like the ZR1 cool, but it has nothing to do with this thread. Once again this thread isnt "lets compare the GTR to ZR1" its EXTONS GTR...start your own thread for comparissons...

its also an argument that WILL end up nowhere, as you like the ZR1 and I like the GTR...just because the ZR1 is "allegedly" faster around the ring doesnt mean its going to/would ever sway me to buy one over the GTR...

so please start your own thread...but dont get mad when the GTR guys come in and start whoring up your thread with useless **** that doesnt mean all that much....

[cburwell]

JESUS H CHRIST once again, do either of these cars matter that much to you that you'll waste your life trying to prove that "this" is better than "that" by 2 seconds around a 13 mile ring, are you in the market for buying one?...then why is any of this GTR hype **** actually getting you ZR1 fans all butt hurt?

To be fair, there is an equal amount of being butt hurt on both sides. IMO 2 seconds is a big deal in racing. Many time a few tenths of a second can make a world of difference, when you're talking about full seconds that is a big difference.

At this point everyone is just being a magazine/bench racer.

[02cougakid]

hmm Im not sure about all that so im sure dylan will clear it up 100x better then im about to..

All I know is besides the videos, everything else you said is speculation and not 100% true or false....it was also speculation that the GTR used the stock wheel/runflat tire combo and the ZR1 used a aftermarket race wheel/tire combo...its also speculation that the GTR was taking it easy, while the ZR1 was obviously balls out...

if you watch your precious ZR1 video of it lap the nurburgring youll notice the timer doesnt even start until hes about to enter the first corner....yet when he comes around the last corner the timer immediateley stops not accounting for at least 2 or 3 seconds of lap time...but thats not fishy right?...

JESUS H CHRIST once again, do either of these cars matter that much to you that you'll waste your life trying to prove that "this" is better than "that" by 2 seconds around a 13 mile ring, are you in the market for buying one?...then why is any of this GTR hype **** actually getting you ZR1 fans all butt hurt?...the GTR and ZR1 are impressive ****ing cars thats about the only thing thats sure here...so if we like the GTR let us like the GTR, if you like the ZR1 cool, but it has nothing to do with this thread. Once again this thread isnt "lets compare the GTR to ZR1" its EXTONS GTR...start your own thread for comparissons...

its also an argument that WILL end up nowhere, as you like the ZR1 and I like the GTR...just because the ZR1 is "allegedly" faster around the ring doesnt mean its going to/would ever sway me to buy one over the GTR...

so please start your own thread...but dont get mad when the GTR guys come in and start whoring up your thread with useless **** that doesnt mean all that much....

we are just giving facts...this time of the ZR1 you talk about post some pictures liek TNT did. Neither of us said we dont like the GTR. it all started when someone said name a car 100K that could compete with the GTR, TNT named one and **** went downhill from there. Im goin to wash my Z06 now :lol:

[SpEcRv9]

To be fair, there is an equal amount of being butt hurt on both sides. IMO 2 seconds is a big deal in racing. Many time a few tenths of a second can make a world of difference, when you're talking about full seconds that is a big difference.

At this point everyone is just being a magazine/bench racer.

I agree, but just because I buy a Veyron means I have to drive 250mph?

2 seconds in racing...ok...so how many people will be buying this car strictly for racing around the Nurburgring or any track? these cars are not race cars...they are production street cars with racing inspired design and technology...

Im sure there will be people who buy the car for racing, but those cars will be stripped down lightened/modified and NOT STREET CARS that can fit 2 or 4 people.

[TNTramair]

hmm Im not sure about all that so im sure dylan will clear it up 100x better then im about to..

All I know is besides the videos, everything else you said is speculation and not 100% true or false....it was also speculation that the GTR used the stock wheel/runflat tire combo and the ZR1 used a aftermarket race wheel/tire combo...its also speculation that the GTR was taking it easy, while the ZR1 was obviously balls out...

if you watch your precious ZR1 video of it lap the nurburgring youll notice the timer doesnt even start until hes about to enter the first corner....yet when he comes around the last corner the timer immediateley stops not accounting for at least 2 or 3 seconds of lap time...but thats not fishy right?...

JESUS H CHRIST once again, do either of these cars matter that much to you that you'll waste your life trying to prove that "this" is better than "that" by 2 seconds around a 13 mile ring, are you in the market for buying one?...then why is any of this GTR hype **** actually getting you ZR1 fans all butt hurt?...the GTR and ZR1 are impressive ****ing cars thats about the only thing thats sure here...so if we like the GTR let us like the GTR, if you like the ZR1 cool, but it has nothing to do with this thread. Once again this thread isnt "lets compare the GTR to ZR1" its EXTONS GTR...start your own thread for comparissons...

its also an argument that WILL end up nowhere, as you like the ZR1 and I like the GTR...just because the ZR1 is "allegedly" faster around the ring doesnt mean its going to/would ever sway me to buy one over the GTR...

so please start your own thread...but dont get mad when the GTR guys come in and start whoring up your thread with useless **** that doesnt mean all that much....
everything you just mentioned was said about the GT-R...not the Z06 or the ZR1. the reason i posted is for discussion purposes only...but if you and your little fanboys get upset about what i posted, than you look like the bigger ass...not me.
not one time did i say i hated the GT-R...in fact..i love it. its an amazing machine. but, like most domestic/import disscussions, it turns to crap when a fanboy gets but hurt over something a domestic owner says.
im not wasting my time with anything...im merely reading up on it sitting here watchin the Phillies game. so quit your whining, if you cant sit there and have an intelligent conversation, than i dont know what to tell ya. i posted that info to see what you guy's opinions are about said information...thats all....grow the fu*k up allready.

[SpEcRv9]

we are just giving facts...this time of the ZR1 you talk about post some pictures liek TNT did. Neither of us said we dont like the GTR. it all started when someone said name a car 100K that could compete with the GTR, TNT named one and **** went downhill from there. Im goin to wash my Z06 now :lol:

no he named the ZR1...which has a MSRP of 100k but good luck finding one for that price or any price under 150k.....the GTR with a MSRP of 69-72k and people are buying them for around 90-100k...unfortunatley TNT didnt understand that whole part...

I dunno how to post screen shots like he did but you can blatently see it here
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ZR1-Nurburgring-Official_170754.htm

watch where the timer starts watch where it ends..

[TNTramair]

no he named the ZR1...which has a MSRP of 100k but good luck finding one for that price or any price under 150k.....the GTR with a MSRP of 69-72k and people are buying them for around 90-100k...unfortunatley TNT didnt understand that whole part...

I dunno how to post screen shots like he did but you can blatently see it here
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ZR1-Nurburgring-Official_170754.htm

watch where the timer starts watch where it ends..
how did i not understand genious....:)<---look at the original post and you'll clearly see that smiley face as i was showing that i understood but he wasnt specific in his request. again, brings me to you getting butt hurt over something a domestic owner says.

[SpEcRv9]

everything you just mentioned was said about the GT-R...not the Z06 or the ZR1. the reason i posted is for discussion purposes only...but if you and your little fanboys get upset about what i posted, than you look like the bigger ass...not me.
not one time did i say i hated the GT-R...in fact..i love it. its an amazing machine. but, like most domestic/import disscussions, it turns to crap when a fanboy gets but hurt over something a domestic owner says.
im not wasting my time with anything...im merely reading up on it sitting here watchin the Phillies game. so quit your whining, if you cant sit there and have an intelligent conversation, than i dont know what to tell ya. i posted that info to see what you guy's opinions are about said information...thats all....grow the fu*k up allready.

ok then grow up and stop whoring a thread that has nothing to do with a ZR1 Z06 or any car thats not a GTR....you came in and started providing LULZ by saying your car would smoke it...(cool?)

Im a nissan fanboy (ya caught me), but a car enthusiast first...both cars impress the **** outta me....and if i was given one for free id still take the GTR...I like it more overall, its a car id rather live with everyday and drive everyday more practical ect....

the only reason im getting "butthurt" is because you're whoring up dylans thread with **** that doesnt pertain to this topic...and obviously have no idea what start your own thread means.....

[TNTramair]

i havent posted anything about the ZR1 or the Zo6...no vids..no links to magazine adds. you guys on the other hand are....whoring your own thread. so get your facts straight. yeah..go back and take a look...suprise huh? so you keep on getting butthurt. car enthusiast?? car enthusiasts appreciate all cars for what they are and what they can do. i do...can you say the same thing with some of your comments?? "zo6's are built for straight line speed..blah blah blah", NO. car enthusiasts "sit here with nothing else to do" and read up on all vehicles and appreciate what they are. dont preach to me about being a "car enthusiast" cause you cant even sit there and have a decent conversation about 2 performance icons without getting butthurt.
im done with you...go about your business!!

[cburwell]

I agree, but just because I buy a Veyron means I have to drive 250mph?

2 seconds in racing...ok...so how many people will be buying this car strictly for racing around the Nurburgring or any track? these cars are not race cars...they are production street cars with racing inspired design and technology...

Im sure there will be people who buy the car for racing, but those cars will be stripped down lightened/modified and NOT STREET CARS that can fit 2 or 4 people.

I disagree with the race car statement. While these cars (GTR and ZR1) will see street action, I think they will be more likely to see some track action (probably more so then your typical car). A car that is raced does not need to have a stripped interior with a roll cage. That may constitute a true race car in the competitive sense, but I think most GTR and ZR1 owners will be just as happy with a weekend HPDE.

[SpEcRv9]

i havent posted anything about the ZR1 or the Zo6...no vids..no links to magazine adds. you guys on the other hand are....whoring your own thread. so get your facts straight. yeah..go back and take a look...suprise huh? so you keep on getting butthurt. car enthusiast?? car enthusiasts appreciate all cars for what they are and what they can do. i do...can you say the same thing with some of your comments?? "zo6's are built for straight line speed..blah blah blah", NO. car enthusiasts "sit here with nothing else to do" and read up on all vehicles and appreciate what they are. dont preach to me about being a "car enthusiast" cause you cant even sit there and have a decent conversation about 2 performance icons without getting butthurt.
im dont with you...go about your business!!

you take this internet stuff pretty serious dont ya?did you not read the part where I said both cars impress me...id love either one, but would rather have a GTR....

I never said z06's were built for straight line speed.....I said it would take a GTR in a top speed race, just not around any track even if the GTR started from a standstill and the z06 got a rolling start....

the secret is out the GTR wasnt built for top speed drag racing....(not saying the z06 was)

although it appears i'm this huge GTR fanboy, I really actually like both cars basically equally, with the advantage going to the GTR only because of its streetability and every day driving ease. The ZR1 with no traction control or any computers is gonna be a bitch to drive around on the street without spinning everywhere you go...to some people its not just always about whos the fastest, and IMO is just a product forced out by chevy to compete with the hype of the GTR...

id like to see a lap test of both cars with stock tire/wheel combo with the same driver starting and ending in the same place...until then i dont believe one car is that superior to the other.

[SpEcRv9]

I disagree with the race car statement. While these cars (GTR and ZR1) will see street action, I think they will be more likely to see some track action (probably more so then your typical car). A car that is raced does not need to have a stripped interior with a roll cage. That may constitute a true race car in the competitive sense, but I think most GTR and ZR1 owners will be just as happy with a weekend HPDE.

once again I agree...but im saying the people that will focus the car on racing/track times will strip it and go the whole 10 yards.....

the other 97% of owners and the other 97% of the time the car isnt at the track it will be driven in normal driving conditions under normal speeds, in which case the GTR I believe is just the better everyday more steetable choice...

the normal car guy that owns one im sure will take it out to the track, but just cause you can afford one doesnt mean you can drive one...supposedly anyone can get in the GTR and drive the **** outta it....but I see the ZR1 being harder for the every day guy to handle...

[cburwell]

the normal car guy that owns one im sure will take it out to the track, but just cause you can afford one doesnt mean you can drive one...supposedly anyone can get in the GTR and drive the **** outta it....but I see the ZR1 being harder for the every day guy to handle...

Since this thread is a little heated, I will preface this by saying, I'm not arguing, just discussing.

That said, your statements are contradictory. I would agree that just because you can afford one does not mean you have the ability to drive one well. I think it's easy for anyone to drive the "****" out of a car, but going fast around a track (and being effective at it) takes more skill.

The GTR might be easier for a novice because it has more computers doing some of the work, but in any case there is going to be a point where the computers can no longer compensate. The computers might help keep the driver out of a few ditches, but it can only do so much for lap times. :)

[TNTramair]

Since this thread is a little heated, I will preface this by saying, I'm not arguing, just discussing.

That said, your statements are contradictory. I would agree that just because you can afford one does not mean you have the ability to drive one well. I think it's easy for anyone to drive the "****" out of a car, but going fast around a track (and being effective at it) takes more skill.

The GTR might be easier for a novice because it has more computers doing some of the work, but in any case there is going to be a point where the computers can no longer compensate. The computers might help keep the driver out of a few ditches, but it can only do so much for lap times. :)
dont worry...you own a Nissan so they wont take it in that manner...:mrgreen:

but i agree with what your saying. the GT-R is a technological marvel. probably light years ahead of any Corvette. computers can compensate for driver error but i dont beleive they can duplicate a drivers instinct.

the only thing im still curious about is what is it with all this "GT-R conspiracy theories" ?? some of the stuff thats going around is flat out funny and suprises me that even with all the advancements this GT-R has, why the need to enflate numbers (if indeed there is some deception that occured)?? it would still remain as one of Japans greatest automotive accomplishments regardless of track times.

its great to see manufactures competeing like this...i rather see this war between automakers than whats going on right now in the middle east.

another question is....all this technology go into these vehicles yet we cant make a vehicle that produces more than 50mpg with decent power...blows my mind.

[SoStock92]

Is this GT-R craze over yet? Its a 70k nissan... its nice... yeah its fast... but its not a super car. I can't wait for the hype to be over!

[SpEcRv9]

Since this thread is a little heated, I will preface this by saying, I'm not arguing, just discussing.

That said, your statements are contradictory. I would agree that just because you can afford one does not mean you have the ability to drive one well. I think it's easy for anyone to drive the "****" out of a car, but going fast around a track (and being effective at it) takes more skill.

The GTR might be easier for a novice because it has more computers doing some of the work, but in any case there is going to be a point where the computers can no longer compensate. The computers might help keep the driver out of a few ditches, but it can only do so much for lap times. :)

Meh, you guys are actually making me look up more info on the ZR1 which is making me like it the more I try to not :o

I was just trying saying you'll see the normal guy get on the track in the GTR and drive it better then the normal guy in the ZR1. So itll take a more skilled driver to get slightly better times in the ZR1, than a less skilled driver in a "slower" car(GTR)...those track times I wouldnt take serious what-so-ever. Im sure you'll see them all over the place some with the GTR in front and some with the ZR1 out front...

I want actual identical tests of each car starting/ending in the same place, on their stock tire/wheel combination with the same driver that has had enough experience to drive each vehicle to its fullest capacity.


the only thing im still curious about is what is it with all this "GT-R conspiracy theories" ?? some of the stuff thats going around is flat out funny and suprises me that even with all the advancements this GT-R has, why the need to enflate numbers (if indeed there is some deception that occured)?? it would still remain as one of Japans greatest automotive accomplishments regardless of track times.

its great to see manufactures competeing like this...i rather see this war between automakers than whats going on right now in the middle east.

another question is....all this technology go into these vehicles yet we can a vehicle that produces more than 50mpg with decent power...blows my mind.

I havent really read any conspiracy theories, but I never understood why Nissan under-rated these cars...Ive seen dyno tests results for the GT-R between anywhere from 420whp to 507whp, meaning at the crank it should have between 480-550...I knew with the skyline in japan they underrated it so it could be released....but there was no need to do that with the GTR in the states they shoulda just been like "yeah bitches it a v6 with 550hp" :lol:

I love this competition as well alot of cool cars are comming out all the time, always something to argue about with the Domestic guys, I feel ya on the middle east thing too, my bro is in Iraq right now :(

[SpEcRv9]

Is this GT-R craze over yet? Its a 70k nissan... its nice... yeah its fast... but its not a super car. I can't wait for the hype to be over!

when I looked at the brochure for the GTR it called it a supercar, and then I began to think it wasnt...

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Ultimate Aero, Porsche(some), Koenessigg, Nissan?

nope.lol.

[TNTramair]

I love this competition as well alot of cool cars are comming out all the time, always something to argue about with the Domestic guys, I feel ya on the middle east thing too, my bro is in Iraq right now :(

i hope your brother makes it home unharmed. many of my friends got deployed and i pray for them everyday!

[CHAOS]

The GTR may not be a true supercar ... HOWEVER... it is faster than some supercars.


and why is this thread still going on...

[cburwell]

Come on Nissan depreciation! :mrgreen:

[SpEcRv9]

Come on Nissan depreciation! :mrgreen:

amen brother.

[02cougakid]

when I looked at the brochure for the GTR it called it a supercar, and then I began to think it wasnt...

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Ultimate Aero, Porsche(some), Koenessigg, Nissan?

nope.lol.

:lol: thats funny to see nissan among those names :bigeek:

[TNTramair]

I dunno how to post screen shots like he did but you can blatently see it here
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ZR1-Nurburgring-Official_170754.htm

watch where the timer starts watch where it ends..

you'll find this vid pretty interesting:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ZR1-vs-GTR-at-the-Ring_170827.htm

[Johara2320]

hopefully one day il see on in person...lol its gorgeous. i saw one at the philly auto show and went numb.

[ozthunder]

lol I'm glad this turned out well.

[Jon@WrightAgency]

Mr Insurance Man, chizeck your tizexts!


I checked em and i have looked at this thread 47 times since then......what a COOL car!

:cool:

[TNTramair]

GTR Vspec stats released...im impressed...and only $30k more than a ZR1...:bigeek:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/28/nissan-gt-r-spec-v-specs-revealed-by-randt/

[twastheglow]

That is pretty expensive!