99% there!!!

[twastheglow]

Finally...3 years after buying my bone stock S13 coupe...and $25k later, I have 99% of the parts I need to boost my car. I got everything out today to check to see what I still may need. Simple stuff, like gaskets, nuts, bolts, etc. All I need left is my ecu ROM tuned (which I've already paid for, I just have to ship it out tomorrow), and a down pipe. Everything else is sitting on my kitchen table...driving my girlfriend crazy. Here's the pic I took...
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/twastheglow/turbostuff.jpg
It's pretty comprehensive as far as I can tell. LOL

[CleanNeon98]

25k?? wtf did you do to it

[jdm free]

25k?? wtf did you do to it

yea really...glad for ya that its almost complete tho

[pinacup7]

I hope you mean 2500

[twastheglow]

I bought the car, Audi green paint job + some body work, JDM Silvia front end, 4300K hid's, brand new fully built motor with all forged internals from HRT racing in NC, transmission, Spec stage 3+ clutch, Fidanza flywheel, Nismo motor mounts, C's short shifter, analog gauge cluster, Apexi N1 EXV coilovers, Nismo LM GT4 wheels, Toyo Proxes TR1 tires, 5 lug swap, z32 front brake calipers, Hawk HPS pads, Circuit Sports cross drilled/slotted rotors, SS clutch & brake lines...I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of stuff...plus all the turbo parts I have waiting for me on that table. Yeah, you read that right. It all came to about $24,xxx.

[alwaysinboost]

wow thats a lotta dough, have you seen what they go for fully assembled by a reputable shop? anyways, if you're happy thats all that matters right.

who is doing all the work?

[DPancoast]

looks fun dude. dont rush to get the stuff in. lets see it done right.

[Eclipse GSX 61]

You should have bought something newer for $25k.

I know love for a car you can't help but I will not spend more than $6,000 on extras on my GSX.


BTW where did you get the intercooler piping?

[driftingrx5.7]

wow nice $25,000! i thought i spent a lot on my FC's! lets see when you're done dude! keep up the great work!

[twastheglow]

wow thats a lotta dough, have you seen what they go for fully assembled by a reputable shop? anyways, if you're happy thats all that matters right.

who is doing all the work?

If I had $25k all in one shot...then yeah, that would have been the way to go. But, like I said, that was over almost 3 years. And yeah, I'm happy with it. With the exception of the motor build I've done all the work myself (with a friend), so that does give me some gratification.

[twastheglow]

looks fun dude. dont rush to get the stuff in. lets see it done right.

I'm certainly not rushing. I've been getting this stuff together for the last year or so. LOL But thanks for the kind words. I'm really hoping I can get all this installed with a friend of mine during the course of a weekend.

[twastheglow]

You should have bought something newer for $25k.

I know love for a car you can't help but I will not spend more than $6,000 on extras on my GSX.


BTW where did you get the intercooler piping?

I didn't pay that $25k all at once. It was over a period of time. Besides, I wanted an S13 to work on. I know there are probably a lot of people that would have done things different...I don't mind.

I got the piping from a brand new generic kit someone was selling. I think I may need more different pieces though. :(

[twastheglow]

wow nice $25,000! i thought i spent a lot on my FC's! lets see when you're done dude! keep up the great work!

Thank you. :)

[Action Park]

You should have bought something newer for $25k.

93
One should be able to do whatever one wants with one's own money as long as the possible consequences are examined beforehand. If someone has the means to spend 25 stacks on a 240, a new Honda, or a few Maserati BiTurbos, so be it. Idiocy only comes into play when the means are exceeded for non-practicality, or when one is'nt a masochist. What is that, a gt28rs?
93 93/93

[twastheglow]

93
One should be able to do whatever one wants with one's own money as long as the possible consequences are examined beforehand. If someone has the means to spend 25 stacks on a 240, a new Honda, or a few Maserati BiTurbos, so be it. Idiocy only comes into play when the means are exceeded for non-practicality, or when one is'nt a masochist. What is that, a gt28rs?
93 93/93

Thank you...I completely agree! It's an S14 T28 BB that's been fully rebuilt, rebalanced and ported.

[TurboTagTeam]

25k?? wtf did you do to it

I easily got over 25k into my 240. Probably approaching 30k actually.

It's VERY easy with 240's. Whatever you want.....some aftermarket company makes it for you :mrgreen:


If you need any advice or help with the install let me know. I know pretty much every bolt and nut on these things now :)

[Mike22]

thats a great looking car. il be out there next summer(used to live i vestal). itd be great to see it all done then

[Cardriverx]

I have a question for you:


If you have a fully built motor, why the heck are you using a small t28? I would of assumed you would atleast go with atleast a gt30. From my estimations, the T28 is good for a innefficent 400 whp, and by looking at your total cost I would assume you have a motor that can support more than that...


For example using a rough estimate you need a turbo pushing about 44 lb/min for 400 whp, that T28 is around 40 MAX.

[TurboTagTeam]

Yeah, a s14 T28 is no good for 400whp. Not even close. A GT28 will make 400whp, and pretty efficiantly there as well.

240's are very light cars. You really don't need that much power for a very fast car.

[twastheglow]

I easily got over 25k into my 240. Probably approaching 30k actually.

It's VERY easy with 240's. Whatever you want.....some aftermarket company makes it for you :mrgreen:


If you need any advice or help with the install let me know. I know pretty much every bolt and nut on these things now :)

I REALLY appreciate the offer. And I'm sure I'll end up taking you up on that. lol Is there anything I need to worry about that isn't just straight forward? Anything info/advice you can offer me ahead of time? I plan on starting this when I get back from vacation towards the end of this month.

[twastheglow]

I have a question for you:


If you have a fully built motor, why the heck are you using a small t28? I would of assumed you would atleast go with atleast a gt30. From my estimations, the T28 is good for a innefficent 400 whp, and by looking at your total cost I would assume you have a motor that can support more than that...


For example using a rough estimate you need a turbo pushing about 44 lb/min for 400 whp, that T28 is around 40 MAX.

That's a great question actually. I had the motor built to handle way more power than I'm going to throw at it...for now, for 2 reasons. 1) I wanted to over build the motor for insurance purposes. Just because the motor can handle 500whp, doesn't mean I want to push it that far. It just makes the motor more likely to run safely. And it certainly doesn't mean, I could handle 500whp. Secondly, this is the 1st time I've ever worked on/driven a turbocharged car. I would like to get all the bugs out and make sure everything is running properly, ie...fuel, tunning etc before I try to go bigger. I got a really good deal on a SUPER clean T28 that, like I said, I had rebuilt, rebalanced and ported. I'm only looking for roughly 300 @ the wheels for now to get my feet wet. Just because I have the motor/money/ability to throw down way more horsepower, doesn't mean I want to be a Nick Hogan jackass and put it in a tree (even though I do not, nor condone ****ing around on the street, but you get the idea).

[TurboTagTeam]

The hardest part is turboing any N/A car is the tunning. Since you'v gotten that taken care of with a ROM tune...that's alot taken care of.


A few things other though...

Be carefull when installing the adapter for the turbo oil feed. If you strip the threads in the block...that'll SUCK to fix.

I'd pressure check everything once it's all installed. Chances are your going to have a vacum/boost leak somewere.

Prime your turbo before staring the car...pull the fuel pump fuse, then crank over the car with the turbo oil feed line off the car. when you start to see oil come out, your ok to connect it to the turbo.

The biggest thing is to just be really thourough with everything. Take your time and make sure it's all done right. :mrgreen:

[CHAOS]

lol @ people thinking 25k is an insane amount.

i have about 10K into my sti and its barely modded.

[Jeffros Spec V]

lol @ people thinking 25k is an insane amount.

i have about 10K into my sti and its barely modded.

I don't want to know how much I spent on my Wagon.

[Scapegoat]

I spent... about $300 on mods for my SRT-4... and that wasn't spread out over 3 years... that was all at once... you know why? b/c I'm baller...

[marshallpre1]

I think $25K is a good amount of money even if it's spread out over three years. That's still $8K+ a year... Good luck on your build. I used to go to BU! :)

[twastheglow]

The hardest part is turboing any N/A car is the tunning. Since you'v gotten that taken care of with a ROM tune...that's alot taken care of.


A few things other though...

Be carefull when installing the adapter for the turbo oil feed. If you strip the threads in the block...that'll SUCK to fix.

I'd pressure check everything once it's all installed. Chances are your going to have a vacum/boost leak somewere.

Prime your turbo before staring the car...pull the fuel pump fuse, then crank over the car with the turbo oil feed line off the car. when you start to see oil come out, your ok to connect it to the turbo.

The biggest thing is to just be really thourough with everything. Take your time and make sure it's all done right. :mrgreen:

Do you happen to have/can you take any pics of how you hooked up your oil feed line from the block? All the other suggestions are great! Thank you. But please don't think I'm done picking your brain yet. lol :-p

[twastheglow]

^ Wait, you have an SR don't you? I guess you wouldn't have pics then.

[twastheglow]

Can anyone out there with a KA-T please post some pics of how you have the oil feed lines attached to the block? Please and thank you.

[Got Insulin?]

Diggin' the car, man, but damn, 25K?

Gotta do, what you gotta do, I guess.

[twastheglow]

^ Thanks. I really don't think that $25k is that much. I'm not even done with it yet. I want seats, a Carbonetic LSD, z32 transmission swap, much more suspension work, etc... I still have a ways to go. lol I guess the reason I don't think $25k is a lot is because there are how many people driving $30+, $40+, $50+ and up vehicles on here. No one thinks spending $35++ for an STi is crazy. I'm just driving a lowly $25k vehicle. LOL

[dragonfly2k3]

actually, if your sig is your car, its pretty ****ing baller and no surprise you spent 25k to get an s13 that clean.

[05OCsrt-4]

lol @ people thinking 25k is an insane amount.

i have about 10K into my sti and its barely modded.

should've bought an srt-4 then, i had about 14K into it and with a professional driver it could've probably hit 10s, even though i regret putting that kind of money into a car now

oh and back on subject, nice build with the car, i honestly hope you like it and enjoy every bit of your car, it should be a sick build when all is fully completed.

[SpEcRv9]

actually, if your sig is your car, its pretty ****ing baller and no surprise you spent 25k to get an s13 that clean.

agreed. i just assumed that your avatar was your car....that car is sexy!

[twastheglow]

actually, if your sig is your car, its pretty ****ing baller and no surprise you spent 25k to get an s13 that clean.

Yes it is. Thank you very much. I really appreciate that! :thumbup:

[GTI_NY]

bout damn time!! im sick of hearing about the parts you buy, but never use! get it done

[TurboTagTeam]

Can anyone out there with a KA-T please post some pics of how you have the oil feed lines attached to the block? Please and thank you.

I have an SR so I have an oil feed stock but you could tee of your oil pressure sending unit.

You need a 1/8in NPT tee. The middle tee goes into the sending unit hole....then use one for the sending unit, the other for the feed line. Your going to need a adapter from 1/8npt to -3line for the feed line. Then I'm not sure of the adapter you'l need for the -3line into the oil inlet on the turbo. It might be 1/4npt but i'm not sure.

[dragonfly2k3]

Im not sure about nissans, but hondas dont use an npt thread, although the npt will fit and seal it is considered unsafe because of the possibility of stripping it. tunertoyz.com has a direct fit tee for hondas, not sure if they have something that will fit the KA.

[TurboTagTeam]

NPT are fine. It's just a tapered thread. As long as you don't go all crazy torquing it down you will be fine. Most of all gauge sending units are npt threaded.

[OMGz Turbo]

Good luck with the car cant wait to see the finished progress....

i have 8k into the SRT barely brushed the motor since it was a show car....and my 92' notch has well over 30k in it...10k in suspension alone/mini tub :)

[Renegade_]

A friend of mine just turbo'd his KA and he tapped it somewhere around the oil filter? i think he had like an adapter for the oil filter with a second place to run a pressurized oil line off of it. Yeah you bypass the filter but it all goes through there eventually anyway...

[Cardriverx]

My mazda used a BPT thread, NPT will leak. Just make sure before you do it. OP sender will work like TTT said, just make sure you get a long enough line.

With a good tune, your engine will last a long time at 400+whp. Its all in the tune, so once your used to the high 200s (you will get used to it), get a figgin gt30 on there =).

ive spent about 2 to 3k turboing my miata.

[TurboTagTeam]

Here's my oil filter housing on my SR. I replaced it with an aftermarket Tomei unit for my external oil filter and oil cooler but you can see the factory oil pressure sending unit here. It's got the ugy brown plug.

I'm pretty sure KA's you the same style housing. Tee off this for you turbo feed.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/turbotagteam/bc168382.jpg

[05suby]

damn dude good luck with everything. car looks good awesome.

[the mike]

If you do upgrade to a bigger turbo, stay away from the GT28RS. I boughgt one for my SR and am havin g nothing but trouble getting IC piping to work, without having to dump more money into it. "Bolt on turbo" litterally means it will bolt to your manifold.

That said, I don't think you will have the same problems I did, seeing as it's not an SR.

[twastheglow]

Here's my oil filter housing on my SR. I replaced it with an aftermarket Tomei unit for my external oil filter and oil cooler but you can see the factory oil pressure sending unit here. It's got the ugy brown plug.

I'm pretty sure KA's you the same style housing. Tee off this for you turbo feed.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/turbotagteam/bc168382.jpg

So you're saying I need to unplug that brown plug and t into that? That will provide oil flow to the turbo?

[Honest_Bob]

lol @ people thinking 25k is an insane amount.

i have about 10K into my sti and its barely modded.

Bingo. Same here.


Good luck!

[Renegade_]

So you're saying I need to unplug that brown plug and t into that? That will provide oil flow to the turbo?

Uh, no, thats a wire for pressure...

What he is saying is that when you look at that picture, one of the braided lines you would T off of and run it to the turbo.

Another picture of how to run lines off of the oil filter area with an adapter...

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa209/prezars01/OC2.jpg

This is off of 012.5RS's swap...

[twastheglow]

Everyone I've talked to regarding the oil feed line on a KA-T has said you just t into an existing spot right next to the filter, but I just can't figure out where. I supposedly don't need an adapter. I guess that's why I just want to see some KA-T specific pics so I can figure it out. This is the ONLY thing I'm foggy on when it comes to installing all these parts.

[Renegade_]

Everyone I've talked to regarding the oil feed line on a KA-T has said you just t into an existing spot right next to the filter, but I just can't figure out where. I supposedly don't need an adapter. I guess that's why I just want to see some KA-T specific pics so I can figure it out. This is the ONLY thing I'm foggy on when it comes to installing all these parts.

Ill see if I can get my friend to post up pics... we just finished turboing his 93 coupe but I dont know if its running yet....

[twastheglow]

That would be awesome!!! Thank you.

[twastheglow]

Ill see if I can get my friend to post up pics... we just finished turboing his 93 coupe but I dont know if its running yet....

Did you guys run into problems or just haven't fully finished?

[Renegade_]

Just talked to my friend... If you look at the picture of the tomei plate that TTT posted, it should be kind of oriented like that stock, but one of them should have a plug over it. You can take the plug off and tap it for an oil return my friend said.

And my friend just isn't done. He hasn't hooked up his fan controller yet and is fighting some electrical issues he hasn't figured out yet. He figures its because he removed so much EGR crap that he is missing a ground somewhere or the like. He also said the fuel pump sounds like it is straining so its just a bunch of misc crap.

[twastheglow]

Just talked to my friend... If you look at the picture of the tomei plate that TTT posted, it should be kind of oriented like that stock, but one of them should have a plug over it. You can take the plug off and tap it for an oil return my friend said.

And my friend just isn't done. He hasn't hooked up his fan controller yet and is fighting some electrical issues he hasn't figured out yet. He figures its because he removed so much EGR crap that he is missing a ground somewhere or the like. He also said the fuel pump sounds like it is straining so its just a bunch of misc crap.

So it should look somewhat similar to that stock? All I need to do take the "plug" out and run a line to it? And I'm assuming you mean tap it for an oil feed line versus return line, right? If that is the case, that makes a lot more sense and coincides with what other people have told me. I guess I just have to look harder for this plug on the block next to the filter.

[Renegade_]

Yeah, thats oil feed, my bad - thinking too much about a lot of stuff.

The return is just a fitting in the oil pan...

[twastheglow]

Yeah, thats oil feed, my bad - thinking too much about a lot of stuff.

The return is just a fitting in the oil pan...

Right. Ok. I actually had a bung welded to the oil pan when my motor was built. So that part is taken care of...luckily.

Nonetheless, any pics you can get, if you can get any, I would still appreciate it.

[dragonfly2k3]

i would still seriously considering getting that tunertoyz T if it fits. It is a male bpt thread for the block, on each side it has 2 npt threads for a feed and gauge, and on the opposite end it has a female bpt thread for the stock oil pressure unit. Its pretty aewsome.

[240sxDann]

honestly, its easier to just run a t. I did it on the s14 to put in a oil psi guage. Its super easy. You gotta go at it from the bottom. Feel around for the plug. Unscrew it, no oil will come out. Supplies: t fitting, piece that screws into that, and into the oil filter dealy, and thread tape. bingo bango, done.

[twastheglow]

^ So THAT'S why I'm having a hard time finding the fitting. I never thought about looking for it from underneath. :o Thank you for that suggestion. That makes a lot more sense!!!

[Cardriverx]

Man, I was lucky. The miata has a threaded oil feed port already on the exhaust side of the engine.

[twastheglow]

Where can I get these 3 bolts...?
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/twastheglow/turboexhaust.jpg

[jrdellecker21]

try slowboy thats where i get all my bolts from

[Cardriverx]

homedepot metric bolts section... you dont need studs.

[TurboTagTeam]

I'd use hardened studs. They wont losen up as easy and they handle heat alot better.

You can also find them at home depot. They're black.

[twastheglow]

I'd use hardened studs. They wont losen up as easy and they handle heat alot better.

You can also find them at home depot. They're black.

I assume I should take out the other 2 and use 5 of the same thing.

[twastheglow]

honestly, its easier to just run a t. I did it on the s14 to put in a oil psi guage. Its super easy. You gotta go at it from the bottom. Feel around for the plug. Unscrew it, no oil will come out. Supplies: t fitting, piece that screws into that, and into the oil filter dealy, and thread tape. bingo bango, done.

Do you know the sizes I need for the t fitting and whatever I need to thread into that? Do I need a male or female t fitting? Where should I look to get these? Sorry for the stupid questions. :roll:

[omgjacki]

I just spent a half hour reading this. I remember you posting about a few problems you had with the car. I'm assuming everything is okay now and that you're not having any problems?



I know love for a car you can't help but I will not spend more than $6,000 on extras on my GSX.

On a DSM? Either would I =P

That's a great question actually. I had the motor built to handle way more power than I'm going to throw at it...for now, for 2 reasons. 1) I wanted to over build the motor for insurance purposes. Just because the motor can handle 500whp, doesn't mean I want to push it that far. It just makes the motor more likely to run safely. And it certainly doesn't mean, I could handle 500whp. Secondly, this is the 1st time I've ever worked on/driven a turbocharged car. I would like to get all the bugs out and make sure everything is running properly, ie...fuel, tunning etc before I try to go bigger. I got a really good deal on a SUPER clean T28 that, like I said, I had rebuilt, rebalanced and ported. I'm only looking for roughly 300 @ the wheels for now to get my feet wet. Just because I have the motor/money/ability to throw down way more horsepower, doesn't mean I want to be a Nick Hogan jackass and put it in a tree (even though I do not, nor condone ****ing around on the street, but you get the idea).

I think that's a really smart idea. A lot of people push their cars as far as they think they can go right from the beginning then it ends up blowing up right away. I like the way you're handling this. Do what you feel comfortable with now, and later when you feel like it's okay for more power, that's when you upgrade.

lol @ people thinking 25k is an insane amount.

i have about 10K into my sti and its barely modded.

LOL STi parts are waaaaaaay more expencive. You could probably do two 240s for the price of one STi.

[Renegade_]

LOL STi parts are waaaaaaay more expencive. You could probably do two 240s for the price of one STi.
30 grand in the 240 world?

Hell, I would have two 2.7L RB coupes sitting in my driveway with big ass turbos with that amount of money... One S13 and one S14...

[twastheglow]

honestly, its easier to just run a t. I did it on the s14 to put in a oil psi guage. Its super easy. You gotta go at it from the bottom. Feel around for the plug. Unscrew it, no oil will come out. Supplies: t fitting, piece that screws into that, and into the oil filter dealy, and thread tape. bingo bango, done.

Do you possibly have a link where I can find these parts in the size I need?

[Stillen GLE]

good luck with the project

[baotian]

I love opening all the new parts, i bet it was a real buzz. Do you sniff new stuff too?? The new smell?? Or do i need psychiatric help...lol

[twastheglow]

I love opening all the new parts, i bet it was a real buzz. Do you sniff new stuff too?? The new smell?? Or do i need psychiatric help...lol

LMFAO!!! Awesome. Actually, a lot of the stuff is still in the box. lol

[Cardriverx]

I love opening all the new parts, i bet it was a real buzz. Do you sniff new stuff too?? The new smell?? Or do i need psychiatric help...lol

I gotta admit I do that haha.