Why aren't more people into the SRT-6's (Crossfire)

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

As I posted recently I visited Atco Raceway Friday (street night) for the first time in what seems like forever. One particular car caught my attention and really impressed me- a stock (looking) SRT-6 Crossfire running low 12's.

This prompted me to do some research on them, as I really haven't heard much about them here or on other forums. I come to find out they are neck and neck with the STi stock and with a CAI, and SC pulley upgrade they are in mid 12's! Many other owners an SRT based forum I visited are breaking into the 11's with ease with one member on the verge of hitting 10's (11.03 @ 127...if memory serves me correct).

After further investigation I come to find out the final year for them was in 2005 and stickered around 48-50k for a coupe and roadster respectively. When I saw a few of them used my jaw almost hit the floor- they were all in the LOW 20k range! Apparently depreciation really slammed this car but it benefits the consumer. I found a few ULTRA-LOW milage (2-4k) for about 22-25k.

I was so excited about this apparent deal of the century I actually had my brand new *mint* 2008 Mazdaspeed3 w/ 3600 miles appraised in hopes of trading for one of these. I had to hit the breaks when Car Sense only offered me 18-18.5k for a car that is 24+k brand new and only has a few thousand miles on it. Those bastards! I understand being a few thousand out of equity because of the automatic depreciation driving off the lot but 6k depreciation after 3000 miles on a brand new car. Needless to say I didn't pull the trigger on this transation.

Other than the objection to it's looks I continue to wonder why this vehicle is relatively under the radar with the tuner crowd. Especially when low to mid 12's are easily attainable coupled with the fact one can be picked up for a sticker price in the low 20's.


Anyone interested in buying my brand-new 2008 Mazdaspeed3?

[C'DALERIDER]

WOW, cool car. I just went to ebay to research them. 330hp/310tq is pretty sweet, stock. Nice car. MB engine. Great buy for sure. Id have to check out that car before teh other two seaters, pontiac and saturn skyline turbo and for the price and a SC MB powerplant, Id buy the srt6. Supercharged V6 is a GREAT starting point. SO much more TQ for spirited driving than a 4 turbo.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-Crossfire-SRT-6-SRT6-SRT-6-4552-Actual-Miles-Black-SMOKE-FREE_W0QQitemZ320258165087QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 320258165087&

[Nors]

they are pretty cool. but pretty phallic looking imo.. heard they are pretty fun to drive though.

[igo4bmx]

As I posted recently I visited Atco Raceway Friday (street night) for the first time in what seems like forever. One particular car caught my attention and really impressed me- a stock (looking) SRT-6 Crossfire running low 12's.

This prompted me to do some research on them, as I really haven't heard much about them here or on other forums. I come to find out they are neck and neck with the STi stock and with a CAI, and SC pulley upgrade they are in mid 12's! Many other owners an SRT based forum I visited are breaking into the 11's with ease with one member on the verge of hitting 10's (11.03 @ 127...if memory serves me correct).

After further investigation I come to find out the final year for them was in 2005 and stickered around 48-50k for a coupe and roadster respectively. When I saw a few of them used my jaw almost hit the floor- they were all in the LOW 20k range! Apparently depreciation really slammed this car but it benefits the consumer. I found a few ULTRA-LOW milage (2-4k) for about 22-25k.

I was so excited about this apparent deal of the century I actually had my brand new *mint* 2008 Mazdaspeed3 w/ 3600 miles appraised in hopes of trading for one of these. I had to hit the breaks when Car Sense only offered me 18-18.5k for a car that is 24+k brand new and only has a few thousand miles on it. Those bastards! I understand being a few thousand out of equity because of the automatic depreciation driving off the lot but 6k depreciation after 3000 miles on a brand new car. Needless to say I didn't pull the trigger on this transation.

Other than the objection to it's looks I continue to wonder why this vehicle is relatively under the radar with the tuner crowd. Especially when low to mid 12's are easily attainable coupled with the fact one can be picked up for a sticker price in the low 20's.


Anyone interested in buying my brand-new 2008 Mazdaspeed3?


all cars values drop dramatically once it leaves the lot.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

all cars values drop dramatically once it leaves the lot.

I guess I didn't expect 6k.

KBB doesn't even list my car yet- it's too new. The closest equivalent is a 2007 MS3 which is valued at 19k. I would assume a year newer would be valued at least 1k more at 20k. I was quoted 18k for trade in value. I was lowballed big time.

[turbohatch93]

I was going to buy one but they only come in auto, but it was a fast car.

[ozthunder]

It's a nice car, but it's one of the cars that was a Mercedes beforehand and has been "re-engineered" into a Chrysler product, so that has people a bit wary (at least in the overall market).

[pearl]

the body style, doesnt make me happy.

[ozthunder]

lol..i'd be scared that you're driving on a 10+ year old chassis

[CarbonIS]

yeah, it looks like a rollerskate.

[kevin@dambrosio]

i like the outside. i just cant fit in them at all. honestly I fit WAY better inthe trex and miata then the crossfire and solstice.

[pearl]

why arent more people into midgets in pron? because it doesnt look good.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

i like the outside. i just cant fit in them at all. honestly I fit WAY better inthe trex and miata then the crossfire and solstice.

Are they really that small inside? It has to be bigger than my Honda S2000 (which I barely fit in).

[05OCsrt-4]

i personally don't like the way they look on the outside

[kevin@dambrosio]

Are they really that small inside? It has to be bigger than my Honda S2000 (which I barely fit in).

my knees are smashed up against the dash in both cars. at least the miata I have some room. im 6ft 4. there is no room inside them at all.

[Scapegoat]

the reason your car is so low in value is that they would need to price the vehicle at a spot that they could make money on it... you realize they're not selling that car for 24k? even slightly used... more like 22k at most.

I love the srt-6. having driven one on a track taking turns at 80mph, and taking one for a test drive (remember that ray... wonder when they noticed the rubber on the rear quarters...)... they are excellent track cars...

**** drag racing them, that is stupid and a complete waste of the vehicles talents

[Evo8kid]

because of the billions of recalls...

3 - DIFFERENTIAL & DRIVELINE
26-003-07 Fluid Flushing Requirements

5 - BRAKES
26-003-07 Fluid Flushing Requirements

7 - COOLING
26-003-07 Fluid Flushing Requirements
RC-E19-06 Customer Satisfaction Notification E19 - Radiator Cooling Fan
TT9001013 Fan Motor Control Module / Coolent Temp Sensor

8 - ELECTRICAL
23-035-07 Exterior Lamp - Lens Fogging
08-030-06 REV. A Powertrain Control Module Initialization
08-003-06 Instrument Cluster Initialization
08-024-05 Radio Communication Equipment Installation Recommendations
08-11-00 RECORDABLE COMPACT DISC USED IN AUTOMOTIVE CD PLAYERS
TT9000260 Radio
TT9000344 Radios RBP and RAH
TT9000427 Headlamp Condensation
TT9000982 Radio with either 6 Disc CD's or Single play CD
TT9001110 Ignition Key & Ignition Cylinder Kit
TT9001259 Foglamp
TT9001268 Key fob and batteries

9 - ENGINE
26-003-07 Fluid Flushing Requirements
RC-E19-06 Customer Satisfaction Notification E19 - Radiator Cooling Fan

14 - FUEL SYSTEM
26-003-07 Fluid Flushing Requirements

18 - VEHICLE PERFORMANCE
18-037-05 Flash Programming Failure Recovery Using DRBIII®

19 - STEERING
26-003-07 Fluid Flushing Requirements

21 - TRANSMISSION/TRANSAXLE
26-003-07 Fluid Flushing Requirements
21-003-07 Automatic Transmission Diagnostic Tear Down Procedure
TT9000258 Transmission, Transmission Control Module
TT9000396 Manual Transmission

22 - TIRES/WHEELS
22-004-06 Tire Pressure Monitor - System Information
22-001-05 Chrome Wheel Care
TT9001151 Sensor-Tire Pressure Monitor

23 - BODY
23-035-07 Exterior Lamp - Lens Fogging
23-041-06 SUPERSEDED BY :23-035-07(Exterior Lamp - Lens Fogging)
23-004-07 Transit Film Removal
23-020-06 SUPERSEDED BY :23-004-07(Transit Film Removal)
23-036-06 REV. A Inside Door Handle Service Parts Available
23-047-06 Cracked Windshield
23-032-06 Rear Spoiler Service Parts And Procedures
23-014-06 Windshield Wiper Blade/Element Maintenance
23-035-05 Circular/Ring Marks On Glass
TT9000471 Door Trim Panel
TT9000523 Convertible Top Pin Hold Down Plate
TT9000939 Moldings and channel runs damage from dealer.
TT9001036 Cover Kit - Convertible Soft Top
TT9001303 Heated seat kit for the seat cushion & seat back
TT9001403 Panel, C-Pillar

24 - HEATING & AIR CONDITIONING
26-003-07 Fluid Flushing Requirements

25 - EMISSIONS CONTROL
TT9001315 Crossfire: Solenoid-EGR

28 - RECALLS
RC-E19-06 Customer Satisfaction Notification E19 - Radiator Cooling Fan

29 - GLOBAL RECALLS/R.O.W.
RC-IE19-06 Customer Satisfaction Notification E19 - Radiator Cooling Fan Module

30 - CANADIAN RECALLS
RC-CE19-06 CUSTOMER SATISFACTION NOTIFICATION NO. E19 RADIATOR COOLING FAN MODULE


...Mercedes turds

[FlashFive]

wowie

[dsmtuner]

are those all recalls, or tsb's? a tsb (technical service bulletin) is different from a recall in that they dont send letter to you telling you to come in and get it done, they are only common problems that the car has so when you get one in at your shop you dont waste hours diag'ing it.

i remeber i test drove one, actually i think i test drove 2, a conv. and a cp. and i thought one was the srt-6 but maybe it wasnt because i remembered them being sooo slow. one of them was a manual and the clutch was the crappiest feeling clutch ive ever felt, i think i actually stalled it once, followed by dumping the clutch and doing a burnout, and the gearbox was so loose you couldnt even tell what gear you were in or if you were in gear at all.

[dotmichael]

i too have been wondering why more people didnt buy them, i kinda like them

[WhiteXFire]

As of the end of 2004/beginning of 2005, they were selling for very low 30's if you found the right dealer wanting to move it off their lot. If you want to read more about them or talk to people with them, you can also try http://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/

*Btw, I like them too, and as you can see from my car history I opted to upgrade from the base crossfire to the replacement for the "real" srt-6, otherwise known as the R170 SLK32 AMG. I must say that I don't miss my regular crossfire one single bit. :mrgreen:

[PaleDSM]

I have always liked these cars as well. Even the outside once you darken all of that chrome trim.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

I wonder why people trash it so much- consumer reports gives it good reviews for reliability. Regarding it's looks- well that's totally subjective. I happen to think the STi is ugly as sin but I owned one and loved it.

The best part is the EASILY attainable 12's. I can't think of any other car you can buy *NEW* in the mid-low 20's (some dealers have left-over never before titled SRT-6s) run neck and neck with a 33k STi, and get into the low 12's much easier and cheaper. How can you NOT like that!

[SovXietday]

I wonder why people trash it so much- consumer reports gives it good reviews for reliability. Regarding it's looks- well that's totally subjective. I happen to think the STi is ugly as sin but I owned one and loved it.

The best part is the EASILY attainable 12's. I can't think of any other car you can buy *NEW* in the mid-low 20's (some dealers have left-over never before titled SRT-6s) run neck and neck with a 33k STi, and get into the low 12's much easier and cheaper. How can you NOT like that!

Wait a second... these cars are 40-50K "new" and 25K used. There's a problem with that.

If you want to go 12s for cheap pick up an LS1 Camaro and throw a $300 exhaust on it.

[Kevin]

Because they are ugly and a Chrysler.

[WhiteXFire]

Because they are ugly and a Chrysler.

The only thing Chrysler about it is the badge and the redesign. They were made completely in Germany, in the Karmann Mercedes plant, with Mercedes parts.

[goodfella732]

because of the billions of recalls...


7 - COOLING
RC-E19-06 Customer Satisfaction Notification E19 - Radiator Cooling Fan
TT9001013 Fan Motor Control Module / Coolent Temp Sensor

8 - ELECTRICAL
23-035-07 Exterior Lamp - Lens Fogging

9 - ENGINE
RC-E19-06 Customer Satisfaction Notification E19 - Radiator Cooling Fan

25 - EMISSIONS CONTROL
TT9001315 Crossfire: Solenoid-EGR

28 - RECALLS
RC-E19-06 Customer Satisfaction Notification E19 - Radiator Cooling Fan

29 - GLOBAL RECALLS/R.O.W.
RC-IE19-06 Customer Satisfaction Notification E19 - Radiator Cooling Fan Module

30 - CANADIAN RECALLS
RC-CE19-06 CUSTOMER SATISFACTION NOTIFICATION NO. E19 RADIATOR COOLING FAN MODULE


...Mercedes turds



This is the actual list. You posted a ton of the normal info bulletins most cars have available to them

[Kevin]

The only thing Chrysler about it is the badge and the redesign. They were made completely in Germany, in the Karmann Mercedes plant, with Mercedes parts.

and still has its flaws.

[WhiteXFire]

^^And the same recall is duplicated 5 times in that list. If I remember correctly, it effected a small production run...that could have been something else though on the regular crossfire.

[WhiteXFire]

and still has its flaws.

Everything has its flaws, but I can say I had zero problems with my crossfire through the 36K miles I owned it. The best part about the consumer reports is that they categorize design complaints and consumer satisfaction as problems with the car. In reality, it has little to no mechanical problems.

[2drStunner]

I wonder why people trash it so much- consumer reports gives it good reviews for reliability. Regarding it's looks- well that's totally subjective. I happen to think the STi is ugly as sin but I owned one and loved it.

The best part is the EASILY attainable 12's. I can't think of any other car you can buy *NEW* in the mid-low 20's (some dealers have left-over never before titled SRT-6s) run neck and neck with a 33k STi, and get into the low 12's much easier and cheaper. How can you NOT like that!

How about the srt4.....maybe im bias!

But seriously the srt6 is a fun a** car to drive. It handles amazing. When i went to the srt at Watkins Glen it was by far the best handling car there.

[kevin@dambrosio]

Wait a second... these cars are 40-50K "new" and 25K used. There's a problem with that.

If you want to go 12s for cheap pick up an LS1 Camaro and throw a $300 exhaust on it.

the srt-10 pickups are 50grand new.. you can get a 05 with 20K miles for $22 grand now at the sale. ya def something wrong with that. domestic=value down the toilet

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

I don't mind cars that depreciate terribly yet offer good reliability. Depreciation isn't always a bad thing- in the case of the conusmer looking to buy- it's a very VERY good thing.

[Scapegoat]

How about the srt4.....maybe im bias!

But seriously the srt6 is a fun a** car to drive. It handles amazing. When i went to the srt at Watkins Glen it was by far the best handling car there.

100%... the srt-6 was a blast to drive at the track experience...

I'm going again end of July :) can't wait

[C'DALERIDER]

100%... the srt-6 was a blast to drive at the track experience...

I'm going again end of July :) can't wait

Even though it is an automatic trany car? Im just saying....but I for one think an auto trany can be made to perform very very well on a road course. So I am not questioning your judgement, just asking :)

[Evo8kid]

they are recalls and rapid responses

[Scapegoat]

Even though it is an automatic trany car? Im just saying....but I for one think an auto trany can be made to perform very very well on a road course. So I am not questioning your judgement, just asking :)

I don't get the question...

the car is an auto and I'm saying I had an incredibly fun time driving it on a road course

[Xavier]

They were expensive as **** new and ugly.

Nice performers, sure. But the MSRP price tag and the not-so-eye-friendly looks dug the car it's early grave.

[Scapegoat]

They were expensive as **** new and ugly.

Nice performers, sure. But the MSRP price tag and the not-so-eye-friendly looks dug the car it's early grave.

yeah, for the price... I'd rather have the mercedes skinned car. As would a lot of people who decided not to buy the 6

[4cefed4]

I think the main killer on the car is that it's only offered in an automatic, same as the Charger SRT-8. I think both would be outstanding cars IF chrysler at least made a manual transmission an option.

[PaleDSM]

Just about every car has a list of recalls and TSBs anyway. I have never heard of any reliability problems from owners or anything major on online message forums.

[Tyler]

personally, i dont like the body styling

[Scapegoat]

I think the main killer on the car is that it's only offered in an automatic, same as the Charger SRT-8. I think both would be outstanding cars IF chrysler at least made a manual transmission an option.

an incorrect assumption... the transmission is built by Mercedes and is standard on the AMG counter part (i'm 95% sure anyway)

the reason the srt-6 didn't do well was mainly due to pricing and being a chrysler... but those two are linked together 100%...

why spend 50k on a chrysler when you can spend 50k on a mercedes and have the same car but it says Mercedes and AMG on it...

I know I would have chosen the Mercedes counter part over the srt-6 anyday if I had the money.

But since the 6 has a much lower price point now, i'd pick one of those up.

[04AV6 6SPD]

dont like them and honestly didnt know there was srt-6 untill i read this

[OutOfStock]

The whole car is mercedes. My parents own a roadster its actually fun to drive and I took it to the tst meet this weekend. For tall people it must suck i know my friends have gotten in it and have been able to look over the windshield. Also sometimes at stoplights i have to lean in to see the light because the angle of the roof blocks it. But im short it dosent matter.

Ask Scapegoat I was SO against the car when they were buying it. Yeah they couldve had an SRT6 for another 1k, but they didnt opt for it. :thumbsdown: to the haters who just jump on the bandwagon without driving the car.

[WhiteXFire]

Also sometimes at stoplights i have to lean in to see the light because the angle of the roof blocks it.

That happened to me ALL the time...I started stopping 2x further away from the light! :lol:

As for all of the Chrysler vs. MB talk, do I need to post the same damn comparison pics that I posted in your thread? You can't even tell the difference in the engine bay shot except for the plastic covering with a different emblem. The car is built on the same chassis as the SLK, the same exact engine, and even dash pieces were reused.

[4cefed4]

an incorrect assumption... the transmission is built by Mercedes and is standard on the AMG counter part (i'm 95% sure anyway)

the reason the srt-6 didn't do well was mainly due to pricing and being a chrysler... but those two are linked together 100%...

why spend 50k on a chrysler when you can spend 50k on a mercedes and have the same car but it says Mercedes and AMG on it...

I know I would have chosen the Mercedes counter part over the srt-6 anyday if I had the money.

But since the 6 has a much lower price point now, i'd pick one of those up.


I know the transmission is from mercedes, what I'm saying is that if you're buying a mercedes, you are most likely the kind of person who would have requested an automatic anyways. People buying american who actually know what SRT is are most likely the type that like to shift their own gears.

[fc3spower]

idk, i dont see much good coming from that car, doesnt spark my interest at all.