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[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 10:50 AM

I agree with part B. If you guys seriously think that some kids dont nick themselves up to get attention you might be retarded.
no there are deffinatly kids who do that but those kids that do it for attention go across the wrist(95% of the time). nobody that wants just attention would go up the arm and actually risk killing themselves. also if someone cuts their wrist and openly admits that they were cutting themselves (other then after their situation is over) then they are mostly doing it for attention. i passed mine off as "scratches from pricker bushes when i was doing yard work." then it took like a year to admit that i did it to myself. and i wasnt the kind of kid that sat there and cried in the corner every day and sat to myself at school. i probly fooled alot of people into thinking there was nothing wrong with me.

edit: i left something out.
you might say that well if they are gonna commit suicide why dont they do it in a different or more "successfull" way. the reason is that when you get to that stage where you would do it is that you want to feel ANYTHING. at this point your brain and body are just craving to feel something. i would probly associate it to the feeling of going several weeks or months without having sex or doing anything pertaining to sex where you get that craving of it really bad. thats what happens with these people. yes they have emotions but the emotions feel like absolutly nothing to them so what they want is to usually feel pain before they die.

im starting to think i should become a psychiatrist

true, but i dont think "give me attention marks" is an apprpriate way to describe them. Their issues are much deeper and classifying them in that way is ignorant to the real situation

thank you. someone gets it

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 11:08 AM

yeah, up the arm is not a "I want attention" more like... "I need attention from a professional"... up the arm is serious ****...

and no, I've never done it... but I'm intelligent enough to know the difference between a thought out, real, suicide attempt and a "my parents hate me, my girlfriend dumped me, i'm an emo fag" teen anxiety cut.

TurboTagTeam

05-31-2008, 11:27 AM

There's a huge cut up your arm dummy.....that's why people think your trying to off yourself.

Why do people think I'm going to rob the bank when I walk in wearing a ski-mask and holding an AR-15?

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 12:22 PM

Give me attention marks about sums it up.

As to your cut, it's pretty noticeable, and it's on your wrist. If you don't get cut (like me) every day working, I could see how someone would ASSUME that you tried getting attention.

But you already know this, so WTF is the point? Were you really just trying to show off that sissy little cut? :mrgreen:

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 12:24 PM

true, but i dont think "give me attention marks" is an apprpriate way to describe them. Their issues are much deeper and classifying them in that way is ignorant to the real situation

No, it's not ignorant. People who ATTEMPT to commit suicide want attention, no ifs, ands or buts about it. People who commit suicide are the most selfish people there are. There is no argument.

yeah, up the arm is not a "I want attention" more like... "I need attention from a professional"... up the arm is serious ****...

and no, I've never done it... but I'm intelligent enough to know the difference between a thought out, real, suicide attempt and a "my parents hate me, my girlfriend dumped me, i'm an emo fag" teen anxiety cut.

Yea, it's real difficult to kill yourself :roll: . If someone REALLY wanted to kill themselves, it's as easy as stepping in front of a train like my friend did. Talk about selfish.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 12:28 PM

edit: i left something out.
you might say that well if they are gonna commit suicide why dont they do it in a different or more "successfull" way. the reason is that when you get to that stage where you would do it is that you want to feel ANYTHING. at this point your brain and body are just craving to feel something. i would probly associate it to the feeling of going several weeks or months without having sex or doing anything pertaining to sex where you get that craving of it really bad. thats what happens with these people. yes they have emotions but the emotions feel like absolutly nothing to them so what they want is to usually feel pain before they die.

im starting to think i should become a psychiatrist

thank you. someone gets it

I think you should just stop listening to that emo music ;) .

"I cut myself to feel the pain", how lame. If you want to feel pain, get someone to hit you over the head with a 2x4, maybe it will knock some sense in to you. Besides, if you actually want to feel PAIN, you wouldn't put some pussy cut across your wrist (any which way). Real painful, right. :roll:

booohooo, the poor depressed teenager that has the same problems, or probably has it BETTER than 99% of the rest of the people in this world. Cry me a ****ing river!

BTW, you didn't tell anyone because you felt stupid.

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 12:42 PM

itstock you're so far off from center its not even funny...

i never said it was difficult to kill yourself.

And I do agree that a lot of kids cut for some kind of attention. However, this kind of cut in a suicide attempt is a serious attempt, not a "i want attention from mommy and daddy" cut.

Most of the time you see this attempt unsuccessful is because these people have enough time to go, "oh ****... this is not what I wanted..." or something like that runs through their head and they have enough time to get to the hospital before they die.

take your head out of your ass and realize that not everyone is as mentally stable as you so obviously are and not everyone has the same thought process...

you are incredibly wrong in your assumptions regarding suicide and cutting and the mental abilities of those suffering from severe depression, situational depression, etc...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 12:51 PM

No, attempting suicide is a cry for help. Committing suicide is the most selfish act one can do.

It's that simple. If you want to kill yourself, you kill yourself. It you want help, you get help.

itstock you're so far off from center its not even funny...

Yea, I always hated the common sense approach as well. :roll:

i never said it was difficult to kill yourself.

Just so that you understand this.

And I do agree that a lot of kids cut for some kind of attention. However, this kind of cut in a suicide attempt is a serious attempt, not a "i want attention from mommy and daddy" cut.

What ATTEMPT are you talking about? Didn't you just say it's not difficult to kill yourself? Enlighten me, if it's not difficult to kill yourself, how can such a simple act not be completed???? If they really wanted to kill themselves, they would do so.

Most of the time you see this attempt unsuccessful is because these people have enough time to go, "oh ****... this is not what I wanted..." or something like that runs through their head and they have enough time to get to the hospital before they die.

Interesting theory, especially after you already stated...

i never said it was difficult to kill yourself.

take your head out of your ass and realize that not everyone is as mentally stable as you so obviously are and not everyone has the same thought process...

That's unfortunate.

you are incredibly wrong in your assumptions regarding suicide and cutting and the mental abilities of those suffering from severe depression, situational depression, etc...

Attempting suicide is a cry for help, AKA ATTENTION WHORING. It's weird that just about every single medical professional agrees that a suicide attempt is a cry for help, and yet you sit here and tell me that I need to pull my head out of my ass. Wake up, and smell the roses. Everyone goes through some form of depression, everyone has different and crazy thoughts, but only true attention whores attempt to commit suicide.

Lastly, for the record, I am not grouping TRUE psychiatric disorders in the above group. Being a teenager doesn't get you in to that category though, sorry!

supraghost

05-31-2008, 01:01 PM

who says there is one reason to commit suicide? everyone commiting suicide is attention whoring? not true at all. a lot of suicide is a persons way of getting out of the mess they are in. you know, the "perminant solution to a temporary problem". sure a lot of people dont get attention and then use suicide to get it, but def not all of them. ive had my emo days:o it wasnt "man i wish people woudl pay attention to me, i will shoot myself and then they will notice". not at all. the only thing that ever even made me come close to thinking about it was "wow what have i done. i screwed my life up. this is not enjoyable. i would rather be non existant than live in this hell."

jsut to clear things up though, i never came close to doing it lol. just a thought process...

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 01:03 PM

its not attention whoring... and yes, it is a cry for help... and no, "true attention whores" do not attempt to commit suicide. people that need to see a professional attempt suicide.

What selfish is people like you so wrapped up in themselves that they truly believe that the person killing themselves owes something to YOU not to kill themselves. Most people that finally do end their life are mentally unstable and are thinking about YOU. They are thinking about everything in their life that is ****ed up, or perceived to be ****ed up.

You can't condemn someone that may not actually have proper control over their thoughts or actions. Some people are so far gone that even severe medication cannot help. And a lot of the time, people that are driven to suicide are that far gone... and are not able to make the changes they need to make in order to get better, or get out of their funk.

Those that attempt suicide usually have one of those moments of clarity as they're laying their dying and move on to get help, either on their own or forcibly.

I'm sorry your friend killed himself, and I'm sorry you're bitter about it... I would be too, and I'd probably feel exactly the same way as you about this subject if someone I knew closely killed themselves. But his actions and your feelings are not something that need be inflicted onto everyone w/ depression and every that contemplates and everyone that attempts and everyone that succeeds in suicide.

You go talk to a professional about suicide and you'll understand how you're incorrect. I've heard enough about the subject and about mental illness in general in the past 2 years to have some "correct" (ie: text book) descriptions and examples these things... and I'm not talking about psych 101... i'm not talking about a class or two to meet graduation requirements at a community college...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:09 PM

its not attention whoring... and yes, it is a cry for help... and no, "true attention whores" do not attempt to commit suicide. people that need to see a professional attempt suicide.

Wait, so it IS a cry for help, but they aren't trying to get attention? How exactly does that work???? :bigeek:

What selfish is people like you so wrapped up in themselves that they truly believe that the person killing themselves owes something to YOU not to kill themselves. Most people that finally do end their life are mentally unstable and are thinking about YOU. They are thinking about everything in their life that is ****ed up, or perceived to be ****ed up.

OWE something to ME? It's not about me, it's about everyone and everything else that is effected by the morons cowardly act. Like I said, everyone gets depressed, stop crying about it.

You can't condemn someone that may not actually have proper control over their thoughts or actions. Some people are so far gone that even severe medication cannot help. And a lot of the time, people that are driven to suicide are that far gone... and are not able to make the changes they need to make in order to get better, or get out of their funk.

yea, like the 14 year old kid in this thread that had life so bad. Give me a break. :roll:

Those that attempt suicide usually have one of those moments of clarity as they're laying their dying and move on to get help, either on their own or forcibly.

They didn't really want to kill themselves if they have time to think about it WHILE dying. That's just a retarded argument. There is no trying. You either kill yourself, or you don't.

I'm sorry your friend killed himself, and I'm sorry you're bitter about it... I would be too, and I'd probably feel exactly the same way as you about this subject if someone I knew closely killed themselves. But his actions and your feelings are not something that need be inflicted onto everyone w/ depression and every that contemplates and everyone that attempts and everyone that succeeds in suicide.

I'm not bitter, I just think it's retarded. He had a little brother that idolized him, probably the toughest part to the entire thing. It was a selfish act, again, that simple.

So my actions and feelings don't need to be inflicted, but I have to listen to people cry about how bad their lives are, or about how they tried to off themselves??? That's a double standard if I've ever heard one! I'm sitting here stating, "WAKE THE **** UP YOU MORON! WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU KILL YOURSELF!??!?!", while you are sadly saying, "Well, you can kill yourself. I understand how deep your pain goes." DAMN!

You go talk to a professional about suicide and you'll understand how you're incorrect. I've heard enough about the subject and about mental illness in general in the past 2 years to have some "correct" (ie: text book) descriptions and examples these things... and I'm not talking about psych 101... i'm not talking about a class or two to meet graduation requirements at a community college...

Open up your text book and read about suicide attempts. Wait a second, you already stated this....

its not attention whoring... and yes, it is a cry for help... and no, "true attention whores" do not attempt to commit suicide. people that need to see a professional attempt suicide.

So you either get it or you're confused. I sure as hell can't understand.

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 01:14 PM

Lastly, for the record, I am not grouping TRUE psychiatric disorders in the above group. Being a teenager doesn't get you in to that category though, sorry!

I'm glad this is on the record...

because this is exactly how I know you don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about.

I'm done with this now, you don't have a clue about this topic and you obviously won't take one...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:15 PM

I'm glad this is on the record...

because this is exactly how I know you don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about.

I'm done with this now, you don't have a clue about this topic and you obviously won't take one...

Yea, because you can really compare SEEING **** and BEING A TEENAGER WHO GETS PICKED ON!!! There is a difference :wink: , but I wouldn't expect you to understand. Keep telling those kiddies to off themselves!

This about sums it up...

and yes, it is a cry for help...

aka LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:20 PM

can a mod close this thread before i get banned for yelling at ITSTOCK :mad::furious:

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:20 PM

can a mod close this thread before i get banned for yelling at ITSTOCK :mad::furious:

Oh no, don't yell at me! It might make me upset and I'll have go to slit my wrist! :mrgreen:

What is suicide?

Unsuccessful suicidal gestures, thoughts, or threats are often a:

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Cry for help to get people to attend to the problems which you are currently experiencing.
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Manipulative action to keep others from changing their styles of interacting with you.
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Sign of the severe depression and repressed anger that you are experiencing.
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Habit you develop early on which has had a great deal of success in getting you attention.
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Mask to hide behind to scare people away from getting too close or attached to you.
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Desire to have others treating you the way you have been treated in the past with aloofness, distance, and coldness.
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Way to test other people's loyalty, sincerity, interest, caring, love, and concern for you.
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Way by which you exercise control over others.

If you are successful in committing suicide, you will have:

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Demonstrated that you are so lost in your pain, confusion and suffering that you have never given any consideration to the hurt and emotionally scars you will leave on the people you leave behind.
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Demonstrated that you were exhausted from trying to pull your life together or were unwilling to accept your life the way it really was rather than the way you believe it should or ought to be.
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Possibly performed an action which is an enormous "get back'' or act of revenge which will no doubt leave your survivors with intense guilt, self-doubt, anger, bitterness, rage, and emotional trauma.
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Executed a useless act which terminates your life in that one moment of despair when in fact your future potential holds out hope for years of coping successfully with life as it really is rather than how you think it ought to be
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Succumbed to the ultimate "cop out'' from having to work hard to gain a sense of personal mastery and contentment in your life.
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Performed an action with no redeeming social merits or benefits.
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Performed your final effort to control people in your life.

http://www.coping.org/control/suicide.htm

I agree with the above. It's funny, they all fall under the topic of attention whoring!

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:23 PM

Oh no, don't yell at me! It might make me upset and I'll have go to slit my wrist! :mrgreen:

http://www.coping.org/control/suicide.htm

I agree with the above. It's funny, they all fall under the topic of attention whoring!

shut your F*CKING MOUTH you ignorant f*cking asshole

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:24 PM

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 01:26 PM

consulting the internet... ok you win...

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:27 PM

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:27 PM

consulting the internet... ok you win...

haha :eek::lol:

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 01:27 PM

I'm sorry, did they not fall under the topic of wanting attention? I guess a couple of them might not have been for attention alone, but the final outcome of the reasoning still resulted in the attention.

did that website not do what you're doing? LUMPING suicide under attention seeking and control issues? You're only seeing one side of a multi-sided dice...

suicide is not this linear, it does not abide by ONE goal (seeking attention)... you're just wrong... plain and simple...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:29 PM

you can make an attempt at suicide and nobody will ever know...

so complete utter bull sh*t

Go back and read my reply to your "admission". Like I said, it's because you felt stupid.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:30 PM

did that website not do what you're doing? LUMPING suicide under attention seeking and control issues? You're only seeing one side of a multi-sided dice...

suicide is not this linear, it does not abide by ONE goal (seeking attention)... you're just wrong... plain and simple...

Wait, so you DO agree with me? Why are you still arguing this????:bigeek:

and yes, it is a cry for help...

aka seeking attention, aka being an attention whore. YOUR books agree with me, YOU agree with me, and medical professionals agree with me (or I agree with them, any which way you dice it we agree), yet you still insist upon arguing.

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:31 PM

Go back and read my reply to your "admission". Like I said, it's because you felt stupid.

no its not because i felt "stupid"

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 01:34 PM

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:34 PM

no its not because i felt "stupid"

stupid, ashamed, whatever.

supraghost

05-31-2008, 01:35 PM

there are some people that def should commit suicide imo:roll:

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:35 PM

stupid, ashamed, whatever.

are you just doing this because ur mommy and daddy didnt hug you as a kid?
well if thats the case...

awwww im soooo sorryyy :cry: *hug*

now give up youre not gonna win this

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:35 PM

quoting text out of context doesn't make you look smart, and ... how am I agreeing with you? you're arguing that suicide in its totality is attention whoring, when it is much more serious than that and much more involved than just that

How are you not agreeing with me? You state that attempting suicide is a cry for help. I agree. Thanks, I don't know why this keeps going in circles.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:37 PM

are you just doing this because ur mommy and daddy didnt hug you as a kid?
well if thats the case...

awwww im soooo sorryyy :cry: *hug*

now give up youre not gonna win this

So are you arguing that people that have bad family lives don't feel the need to attempt to kill themselves?????

That's really, really interesting when you think about it in the context of this thread. :wink:

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:40 PM

So are you arguing that people that have bad family lives don't feel the need to attempt to kill themselves?????

That's really, really interesting when you think about it in the context of this thread. :wink:

no thats not what im saying

mods lock it please

amp

05-31-2008, 01:41 PM

odd racersky.. my cut looks almost exactly like yours..
got mine from a tree install.. cut it from the wire basket the root ball was it caged in....
deep enough its left a scar.. perhaps folks might see it as a failed attempt as well..

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:41 PM

no thats not what im saying

mods lock it please

I must have missed your point. Care to elaborate? :screwy:

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 01:41 PM

How are you not agreeing with me? You state that attempting suicide is a cry for help. I agree. Thanks, I don't know why this keeps going in circles.

stop reading the PART of my post that says the attempt is a cry for help... try reading everything else thats about it not JUST being about that...

honestly, I really think that you're still just upset about your friend... so I'll give you the benefit of that...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:45 PM

stop reading the PART of my post that says the attempt is a cry for help... try reading everything else thats about it not JUST being about that...

honestly, I really think that you're still just upset about your friend... so I'll give you the benefit of that...

So let me get this straight, we (as well as all of your medical books and professional opinions) both agree that a suicide attempt is a cry for help?

I still don't see the argument.

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:47 PM

So let me get this straight, we (as well as all of your medical books and professional opinions) both agree that a suicide attempt is a cry for help?

I still don't see the argument.

hes saying its a sign that the person need alot of help and not just attention

you are saying its just for attention

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:48 PM

hes saying its a sign that the person need alot of help and not just attention

you are saying its just for attention

I'm saying they are doing it to get attention, or using it as a cry for help (same thing in the end). They are. Whether they actually need help or not, who knows.

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:54 PM

I'm saying they are doing it to get attention. They are. Whether they actually need help or not, who knows.

you are saying suicide and cutting are both crys for attention. thats completely wrong for most people.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 01:57 PM

you are saying suicide and cutting are both crys for attention. thats completely wrong for most people.

No, I'm saying that suicide is selfish, and attempting it is a call for attention. Either way, I guess it's pretty easy to argue that actually committing suicide is a call for attention most of the time (you know, suicide letters and all .:wink: )

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 01:59 PM

you do know that many suicides dont even have suicide notes?

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:02 PM

you do know that many suicides dont even have suicide notes?

I'm assuming that you did read what I typed since you are directly replying to my post. I don't recall ever stating that every suicide had a note to accompany it. :wink: The implication was that writing a suicide note is a form of attention, which it is, hence I stated, "Either way, I guess it's pretty easy to argue that actually committing suicide is a call for attention most of the time (you know, suicide letters and all . )".

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 02:03 PM

yes i was surprised that you knew that

my bad i worded the post wrong i made it seem like i was asking if u knew that they didnt have them

omgjacki

05-31-2008, 02:09 PM

Wait, so it IS a cry for help, but they aren't trying to get attention? How exactly does that work???? :bigeek:

I would just like to comment on this line...

So pretty much, if I ask for help on my homework, I'm looking for attention? Only this is subject is on a much larger scale. Needing help, and just seeking attention are two totally different things. I don't see where you got that there were alike. There are people that seriously want to be helped, and there are people just just want others around all the time, that just want to be the center of attention. Two different things, man.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:15 PM

I would just like to comment on this line...

So pretty much, if I ask for help on my homework, I'm looking for attention? Only this is subject is on a much larger scale. Needing help, and just seeking attention are two totally different things. I don't see where you got that there were alike. There are people that seriously want to be helped, and there are people just just want others around all the time, that just want to be the center of attention. Two different things, man.

You are misunderstanding the correlation.

Someone who attempts suicide is doing so as a CRY for help, aka they WANT attention.

Now, if that person ASKED for help instead of attempting suicide (as MILLIONS of people who seek psychiatric help do each year), you would have a perfect match to ASKING for help on homework. Likewise, if you tossed your books at your teacher and throw a hissy fit, you would be CRYING for help. I hope that clears up your understanding.

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 02:20 PM

I would just like to comment on this line...

So pretty much, if I ask for help on my homework, I'm looking for attention? Only this is subject is on a much larger scale. Needing help, and just seeking attention are two totally different things. I don't see where you got that there were alike. There are people that seriously want to be helped, and there are people just just want others around all the time, that just want to be the center of attention. Two different things, man.

very good comparison

You are misunderstanding the correlation.

Someone who attempts suicide is doing so as a CRY for help, aka they WANT attention.

Now, if that person ASKED for help instead of attempting suicide (as MILLIONS of people who seek psychiatric help do each year), you would have a perfect match to ASKING for help on homework. Likewise, if you tossed your books at your teacher and through a hissy fit, you would be CRYING for help. I hope that clears up your understanding.

dude that makes no sense

why didnt troll lock this he was just viewing the thread not that long ago

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:25 PM

very good comparison

dude that makes no sense

why didnt troll lock this he was just viewing the thread not that long ago

How does it NOT make sense? :bigeek:

You can be depressed and go get help.

You can be depressed, slit your wrist, and then maybe help (or feel too stupid to do anything).

You can not understand homework and ask your teacher for help.

You can not understand homework, throw your book at the teacher, cry, get depressed, slit your wrist, and MAYBE get homework help. :wink:

omgjacki

05-31-2008, 02:26 PM

I PMed TROLL. I hope he locks this. It's very unnecessary.

omgjacki

05-31-2008, 02:27 PM

How does it NOT make sense? :bigeek:

You can be depressed and go get help.

You can be depressed, slit your wrist, and than get help (or feel too stupid to do anything).

You can not understand homework and ask your teacher for help.

You can not understand homework, throw your book at the teacher, cry, get depressed, slit your wrist, and eventually get homework help. :wink:

Um... so when a rape victim doesn't come right out for help, it's a cry for attention?

TROLL

05-31-2008, 02:28 PM

Kiro

05-31-2008, 02:28 PM

omgjacki

05-31-2008, 02:28 PM

Nevermind... the man has a point.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:29 PM

Um... so when a rape victim doesn't come right out for help, it's a cry for attention?

When my dog pees inside, is it a cry for help? You're really stretching.

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 02:29 PM

You are misunderstanding the correlation.

Someone who attempts suicide is doing so as a CRY for help, aka they WANT attention.

Now, if that person ASKED for help instead of attempting suicide (as MILLIONS of people who seek psychiatric help do each year), you would have a perfect match to ASKING for help on homework. Likewise, if you tossed your books at your teacher and throw a hissy fit, you would be CRYING for help. I hope that clears up your understanding.

hahahahaha...

wow...

people don't need to verbally ASK for help... actions speak louder than words my dear...

god, I love how you generalize... your points make no sense...

You're generalizing millions of people, and you're generalizing suicidal people, and you're generalizing the ENTIRE field of psychiatric medicine in ONE thread...

here: http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Anger%A0

you're obviously still in this stage of grief in dealing with the suicide of your friend.

omgjacki

05-31-2008, 02:31 PM

hahahahaha...

wow...

people don't need to verbally ASK for help... actions speak louder than words my dear...

god, I love how you generalize... your points make no sense...

You're generalizing millions of people, and you're generalizing suicidal people, and you're generalizing the ENTIRE field of psychiatric medicine in ONE thread...

here: http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Anger%A0

you're obviously still in this stage of grief in dealing with the suicide of your friend.

TRUTH!

And I'm not streaching anything. I'm trying to get you to see the difference between help, and attention.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:32 PM

...

Damn, and here I thought you were done with this 2 pages ago!!!!

So you DO agree that attempting suicide is a cry for help. :wink:

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:33 PM

TRUTH!

And I'm not streaching anything. I'm trying to get you to see the difference between help, and attention.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!

That sums it up pretty damn PERFECTLY.

ACTION: WALK TO CLINIC AND ASK FOR HELP

or other ATTENTION SEEKING METHOD

ACTION: SLIT WRIST AND HOPE SOMEONE HELPS, AND THEN POSSIBLY GET HELP.

Yep, you're right, the ACTION of ACTUALLY GETTING HELP works better than slitting your wrist and hoping for the help!

omgjacki

05-31-2008, 02:35 PM

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!

That sums it up pretty damn PERFECTLY.

ACTION: WALK TO CLINIC AND ASK FOR HELP

or other ATTENTION SEEKING METHOD

ACTION: SLIT WRIST AND HOPE SOMEONE HELPS, AND THEN POSSIBLY GET HELP.

Yep, you're right, the ACTION of ACTUALLY GETTING HELP works better.

That would be verbal.

TROLL

05-31-2008, 02:35 PM

why are you all beating this to death? thats the big mystery to me...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:38 PM

That would be verbal.

The ACTION of WALKING TO THE CLINIC would be a physical action.

The ACTION of WALKING TO THE CLINIC AND ASKING FOR HELP is an entire ACTION in itself. :thumbup:

"actions speak louder than words"

In case you aren't familiar with the phrase (which apparently you aren't), it means that DOING is greater than a general THOUGHT, STATEMENT, or IDEA.

Example:

"Words" (within the context of actions speak louder than words") :...to your friends, "I'm going to protest the President by calling him an asshole."

Action: ...calling the president an asshole.

It doesn't mean literally, a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: (unless you mean talking as the physical movement, which would make your argument contradictory anyway).

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 02:42 PM

why should it be locked? i dont see any rules that its breaking. if you dont like the subject, then go find something else to read up on.

i dont really see what you're disagreeing about though... the ideas are very similar, it just sounds like its coming down to how you're wording them.

the disagreement here is that itstock is generalizing all those who commit, or attempt to commit, suicide. regardless of wording, the implication of "attention whoring" is a deliberate act of seeking attention. Whereas suicide, whether successful or failed is not always an attempt at "attention whoring".

You really need to diagnose the person making the attempt in order to place reason on the attempt itself. There is no one excuse for suicide... not every person that attempts it does so out of a need to get attention by their actions, though they are out there... no one is denying that.

There are just as many, if no more, people out there truly suffering from a mental illness which may or may not be situational, genetic, severe, minor, chemical, etc etc etc.

These people do not make the attempt at suicide with the single intent at getting attention or even getting help. They may realize during and/or after the attempt that they need help... and so seek it.

Itstock is also discriminating against age. citing 14 y/o's, emo's (generally a younger group), etc do this singularly for attention. When this is not the truth. Mental illness does not discriminate as openly as itstock does. It can manifest in a child, a teen, an adult, the elderly... there is no discrimination here...

omgjacki

05-31-2008, 02:45 PM

I'm glad you're amusing yourself. You're the only one that thinks verbally asking for help is a greater action then cutting, or attempting suicide.

I'm gonna leave with that. I don't have any interest in this topic at all I just had to express an opinion. To me, I think any kind of attempt of suicide or cutting is stupid. I just don't understand why people persue it. I don't need anyone to explain it to me either so don't start anything else over what I've said. Like I said, this was just an opinion of mine and I'm through with this subject.

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 02:45 PM

The ACTION of WALKING TO THE CLINIC would be a physical action.

The ACTION of WALKING TO THE CLINIC AND ASKING FOR HELP is an entire ACTION in itself. :thumbup:

"actions speak louder than words"

In case you aren't familiar with the phrase (which apparently you aren't), it means that DOING is greater than a general THOUGHT, STATEMENT, or IDEA.

Example:

"Words" (within the context of actions speak louder than words") :...to your friends, "I'm going to protest the President by calling him an asshole."

Action: ...calling the president an asshole.

It doesn't mean literally, a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: (unless you mean talking as the physical movement, which would make your argument contradictory anyway).

you contradict yourself... actions speak louder than words... doing something speaks volumes over actually saying something... me saying "the pres is an asshole" in no more important and has no more impact than me saying "I'm going to call the pres an asshole"...

now me going up to the president and calling him one to his face... that is an action... that action speaks louder than the mere words that came out of my mouth...

it says I had the gall to go up to the commander in chief, bypass his security and risk imprisonment to say "you're an asshole" to his face...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:46 PM

Itstock is also discriminating against age. citing 14 y/o's, emo's (generally a younger group), etc do this singularly for attention.

OHHHHHHHHHH THE HORROR!!!

Actually, I was referring to dcr1d3r13. The age was just a guess as to when he slit his wrist. "Emo" was obvious. :screwy:

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:47 PM

now me going up to the president and calling him one to his face... that is an action... that action speaks louder than the mere words that came out of my mouth...

Is there an echo???

"Words" (within the context of actions speak louder than words") :...to your friends, "I'm going to protest the President by calling him an asshole."

Action: ...calling the president an asshole.

You continue to AGREE with me, yet you think you are disagreeing. Back two pages ago when I said, "I sure as hell don't understand". Well, I'm still in the same boat. I also thought you were done with this???

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 02:48 PM

OHHHHHHHHHH THE HORROR!!!

Actually, I was referring to dcr1d3r13. The age was just a guess as to when he slit his wrist. "Emo" was obvious. :screwy:

again, discrimination... mainly due to a lack of actual knowledge on a subject...

just because someone cuts their wrist doesn't make them a teen.

I had an older family member kill themselves... was this a cry for attention?

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 02:49 PM

Is there an echo???

You continue to AGREE with me, yet you think you are disagreeing. Back two pages ago when I said, "I sure as hell don't understand". Well, I'm still in the same boat. I also thought you were done with this???

I agree on a mere point... not in totality with you. your general view is incorrect... but you are correct on one diagnosis, you fail to read the rest of my posts and singularly rest on that one itty bitty point.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:51 PM

again, discrimination... mainly due to a lack of actual knowledge on a subject...

just because someone cuts their wrist doesn't make them a teen.

I had an older family member kill themselves... was this a cry for attention?

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Actually, I was referring to dcr1d3r13. The age was just a guess as to when he slit his wrist. "Emo" was obvious.

I was referring to an actual person, not the group. The person was dc1d3r13.

:confused::confused::confused:

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:52 PM

I agree on a mere point... not in totality with you. your general view is incorrect... but you are correct on one diagnosis, you fail to read the rest of my posts and singularly rest on that one itty bitty point.

So you agree that attempting suicide is a cry for help, got it! Thanks yet again for agreeing with me. :wink:

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 02:53 PM

answer my question, did my older (older than a teenager) family member commit suicide due to selfishness and as an attempt at "Attention whoring"

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 02:56 PM

answer my question, did my older (older than a teenager) family member commit suicide due to selfishness and as an attempt at "Attention whoring"

So now it's okay to LIE about family members committing suicide????

I'm sorry your friend killed himself, and I'm sorry you're bitter about it... I would be too, and I'd probably feel exactly the same way as you about this subject if someone I knew closely killed themselves. But his actions and your feelings are not something that need be inflicted onto everyone w/ depression and every that contemplates and everyone that attempts and everyone that succeeds in suicide.

That's just pathetic.

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 02:57 PM

So now it's okay to LIE about family members committing suicide????

I'm not lying, but you are avoiding.

Why did your friend kill himself?

and re-read what I wrote... closely knew... I'm not saying I closely knew this family member...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 03:00 PM

I'm not lying, but you are avoiding.

Why did your friend kill himself?

I have no reason to answer a question regarding your pathetic, made up situation.:roll:

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 03:06 PM

you don't need to be close w/ family to know whats going on. Nor do you have to be old enough at the time to understand it later in life.

I'm sorry you're willing to pick through posts to find bits of content that align with your views and interests... but cannot keep going when even a possibly hypothetical question is raised... does it matter if i'm making something up? your answer should be the same whether I am or am not... are you beginning to question your opinion that you've fought so hard for these past few pages that you cannot answer the question?

you may or may not believe my answer... but you'll never know what it is, because you can't keep fighting for your views...

remember, actions speak louder...

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 03:09 PM

does it matter if i'm making something up?

:wink:

I don't know, does it?

Ask me the question in a hypothetical situation (not lying and making up a BS story about a family committing suicide, that's just pathetic) , and I'll answer if you are so desperate to hear one. :rofl:

How someone can claim to be so sympathetic towards people committing suicide, and attempting to do so, and then make up a story is just really sad.

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 03:10 PM

did your friend jump in front of a train? or are you lying?

and "for the record" I'm not lying. wish I was... but in his situation, I would have done it too

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 03:14 PM

did your friend jump in front of a train? or are you lying?

and "for the record" I'm not lying. wish I was... but in his situation, I would have done it too

There might be people on the board who used to know him, he lived in Abington, and would be 24 this year (maybe 25). Sorry, I don't make up pathetic stories about people I know committing suicide and afterwards try to defend the made up story. :roll:

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 03:22 PM

what was his name? I'm 25 and went to abington senior highschool. I probably knew him, but did not hear about this...

and honestly, you're not going to answer my question so I'll come out with it since i've nothing to hide and this happened while I was young. The only thing I remember about my mom's uncle was his house and the summers parties. He shot himself in the head as he was painfully dying of brain cancer. It got bad enough despite the medicine he had enough. There was no chance of living through it... I believe he had a wife and kids when he did it... not sure if they were together or not though...

all things considered though... I would have done the same... though not with a gun. To be a burden on my family while I slowly and painfully die... not my style...

his actions were not a cry for help, not an attempt at attention... selfish? not entirely that either... perhaps the choice of how he went out didn't leave the most beautiful of corpses... but his family could rest knowing he wasn't going to suffer until he died either by the brain cancer or by his choice of death.

ITSTOCK

05-31-2008, 03:32 PM

Luke Cassidy, great kid, selfish act.

You might as well throw in people who want to be taken off life support in to that category as well. It's funny, throughout all 5 pages here, I never once stated EVERY or ALL. If that was your big "HOOOOOOOOOORA, GOT YOU!!!!!!" point, great. You got me good.:roll:

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 03:45 PM

woah i shouldnt have gone out i missed alot

when did he bring me up? and why?
i would be a case that disproves his theory of everyone wanting attention

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 03:51 PM

the name rings a bell... but i could be wrong, its been awhile since highschool.

And you're right... you never specifically mentioned "all" or "every"... but you sure as hell didn't make it clear. there would have been a whole lot less posts if you stopped quoting parts of my posts and said something about not applying this logic to every attempt...

dragonfly2k3

05-31-2008, 05:44 PM

Im tired of hearing how everyone is right, and how you're all professionals. Does anyone in this thread have a PhD?

Drftpretty

05-31-2008, 06:10 PM

up the street NOT across the tracks boys and girls.

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 06:11 PM

Im tired of hearing how everyone is right, and how you're all professionals. Does anyone in this thread have a PhD?

I'm not, but I dated and lived with a girl for nearly two years who now has her BA in psychology and is off to NYC for her PhD this august. And she was around for the beginning of this thread, does that count?

I privy to hearing, and learning, a lot about her field from her, her experiences IN the field while working at a mental hospital... she was here for a wee bit of the conversation.

russiankid

05-31-2008, 06:11 PM

I get told that I am Emo. I don't dress like one nor do I act like one, but the only reason is because of this scar:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/russian03rustler/Me/S6301370.jpg

Scapegoat

05-31-2008, 06:13 PM

I get told that I am Emo. I don't dress like one nor do I act like one, but the only reason is because of this scar:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/russian03rustler/Me/S6301370.jpg

that doesn't look much like a knife cut though, what did that?

looks like something that wasn't especially sharp, but enough to tear through the skin instead of slice

russiankid

05-31-2008, 06:17 PM

that doesn't look much like a knife cut though, what did that?

looks like something that wasn't especially sharp, but enough to tear through the skin instead of slice

That is from surgery actually. I broke my arm being a dumb 13 year old and now I have this 7inch scar plus another scar on the back side. Also, 6 screws and a metal plate. I guess surgery scars appear different, but I still get comments.

[sr20]sean

05-31-2008, 06:29 PM

Im tired of hearing how everyone is right, and how you're all professionals. Does anyone in this thread have a PhD?

no
but i didnt do it for the attention therefore he is WRONG

99SL2_Modder

06-01-2008, 05:12 AM

no
but i didnt do it for the attention therefore he is WRONG

So then, why did you do it?

I know I did it because I wanted attention. Same with other people.

I thought I had it rough. I wanted people not to just give ME attention, but to help the situation I (my family and I) were in. Turned out that was not the best way to do it...nor did I have it NEARLY as bad as I could have.

One of my friends ate a shotgun. No note, nothing. He was having problems with his wife, and offed himself on the couch. His 16 year old son came home from school to find him there. 16. What the **** do you call that? Selfishness. He DID call much attention to the personal life that many people did not know about...so in the end, suicide always brings attention. Wanted or not.

Attempts always bring attention.

If you DON'T want the attention, don't be a ****tard.

*edit*
If you're at the picnic Sunday, I would be more than happy to show you the scar that makes people think I tried to commit suicide with that one. Apparently, I'm too white to get pictures of it.

supraghost

06-01-2008, 01:39 PM

well this thread went to hell in no time lol

DPancoast

06-01-2008, 02:58 PM

My brain hurts from this thread... Good discussion, just too much repeat with a side of closed mind at some spots. Suicide is serious stuff... I had an Uncle that got drunk and shot himself over getting fired from a job. After hearing why he got fired, what happened after, and reading his note, there's not much I can say as far as "I would have too." or the like... But one thing I learned from it is that no matter what, there's always someone that will talk to you somewhere. Theres been times when I thought my life sucked, and there was no hope, and that people would be happier with me being dead, but then I talk to people that care, and I realize that's life could be 100000000000000000x worse. I dunno, it sucks that people kill themselves, but the only thing we can do is lookout or seek what we need to be happy. Most of the time all the person needs is a reality check. You can't know how good life is if no one is there to tell you.