whats going on at city hall right now?! military abound!

[NOPSTNS]

my bro called me around 8 am and he works near city hall and he said he saw an v-22 osprey flying over and picked up some big ass box over city hall and fly away and he said traffic is insane and the whole place is on lockdown...

i tried watchin the news and they mention nothing....


anyone know what the hell happened?!!!:eek:

[95nracer]

Your bro saw nothing. :wink:



Any symbols or markings?

[CHAOS]

dylan's apt is right around the corner from there... i wonder if he knows anything

[pinacup7]

hmm I passed by there at like 6am didnt see anything unusual

[Gorilla Unit 33]

**** you gotta be kidding me the one day im not in the city and something like this happens!? ok anyone hear about anything?

[james_ls]

I wanna know whats up...

[Jeffros Spec V]

the only thing I could find is there is a Art Exhibtion that ends today at City hall but I doubt thats it ahaahahah

[importpower99]

Cloverfield!!

[WKderF]

i know there was an article just posted on msnbc i believe that talked about a presidential debate possibly being held in philly between Clinton & Obama, but i have no idea if the 2 have any connection.

[NOPSTNS]

i watched the news for what seemed like an eternity this morning and they didnt mention anything....so i went online to the msnbc and nbc10 and they didnt mention anything either.

i called my bro just now to see whats up and hes "like thats really weird man......they closed city hall and traffic was nuts and the copter/plane thing hovered around and picked up a huge box over city hall and flew away.it all happened so fast i barely noticed it. "

but he sure did see a v22, he didnt kno the name but he described it to me. he said it was a plane that used a propeller on each side and the porpellers would point straight like a plane and when it came in it hovered by the propellers shifting and pointing up.....and he said it was loud as hell.....only plane that does that with the propellers is the v-22 osprey.

something happened and it wasnt on the news, seems fishy to me...

[WKderF]

suprising as it is, this actually happens ALOT. my sister lives in the D.C. area & she has told me many times that things happen that dont end up on the news. I wouldnt believe it myself, but ive seen 1st hand when visiting her - there was a helicopter dropping off a bunch of blacked out soilders who swarmed on a black SUV that was parked at a park. the whole situation lasted 45 seconds, from the time the helicopter showed up, to the time the soilders got at it, then other cars showed up, people got in, & the SUV pulled away & the helicopter flew off. I thought i was on the set of a movie. crazy stuff.

[Kiel]

I'm like four blocks from City Hall and have been since 8am, and I didn't see a thing :(

[den9]

probaly secret service, or pickin up my new bmw M3 thats been stored at city hall

btw id love to see an osprey hovering in center city, im sure some1 got video

[wrx_snobordr]

Dammit! I want to see an osprey! I was flying this morning too, would have been bad ass to see one off my wing.

[ITSTOCK]

Dammit! I want to see an osprey! I was flying this morning too, would have been bad ass to see one off my wing.

I've seen them a couple times/month and live 5 minutes from Willow Grove Airbase. The first time I had seen one (just about a year ago), I thought it was in the top 10 coolest things I have seen in my life :rofl::rofl: . They are pretty badass! But after reading about them, they apparently have lots of problems.

Back on topic, I searched when I read this thread this morning and couldn't find any stories. As to what it "could" have been doing, perhaps it was airlifting a large item or two from the Art Museum. I think that I heard that they are now being used in the private transportation field.

[DropTopChevy]

City Hall is still under renovation right? Maybe it was just a part of that.

[halfhorsepower]

City Hall is still under renovation right? Maybe it was just a part of that.


It could be used to take away stuff too big to fit through the gates, like a statue....

[halfhorsepower]

From wikipedia: "Philadelphia City Hall is the seat of government for the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. At 167 m (548 ft), including the statue, it is the world's tallest masonry building: the weight of the building is borne by granite and brick walls up to 22 feet thick, rather than steel; the principal exterior materials are limestone, granite, and marble."

It could be sections of building needing reconstruction at a 3D lab to make new pieces?

[Jeff822]

Ospreys are sick, I remember when I was about 9 or 10 my great aunt (her and my great uncle who died before I was born used to work for Boeing) took me and my cousin to a Boeing museum or something can't really remember what it was. We got to go inside and walk around one of the Ospreys. Supposedly my great uncle helped with the design or production of the Osprey, not sure but thats what I was told by my great aunt, pretty nuts.

[dragonfly2k3]

Deffinately a nice aircraft, would have liked to see that, but i am over an hour away haha.

[horhay]

scary aircraft, you won't catch me volunteering for that assignment.

[den9]

I've seen them a couple times/month and live 5 minutes from Willow Grove Airbase. The first time I had seen one (just about a year ago), I thought it was in the top 10 coolest things I have seen in my life :rofl::rofl: . They are pretty badass! But after reading about them, they apparently have lots of problems.

Back on topic, I searched when I read this thread this morning and couldn't find any stories. As to what it "could" have been doing, perhaps it was airlifting a large item or two from the Art Museum. I think that I heard that they are now being used in the private transportation field.


sometimes when i coming from work goin up 611 i seen some awesome stuff at willow grove, 2 jets circlin around the base haulin ass, looks so bad ass when they turn sideways, then u always see the large passenger planes.

that diner across they street is cool cuz whenever a plane comes or takes off all ur dishes on the table start to rattle and the windows in the building feel like they are gonna break, and the food kicks ass, and cheap.

[ITSTOCK]

sometimes when i coming from work goin up 611 i seen some awesome stuff at willow grove, 2 jets circlin around the base haulin ass, looks so bad ass when they turn sideways, then u always see the large passenger planes.

that diner across they street is cool cuz whenever a plane comes or takes off all ur dishes on the table start to rattle and the windows in the building feel like they are gonna break, and the food kicks ass, and cheap.

Going back about 10 years you used to be able to park in the parking lot across from the diner (AT THE BASE) to watch everything take off :banana: . That was always a fun time!

[The Captain]

Going back about 10 years you used to be able to park in the parking lot across from the diner (AT THE BASE) to watch everything take off :banana: . That was always a fun time!

I used to do that all the time. I was like 10 at the time, but we'd park right in the lot across from Lancer's on some sundays and just watch the planes for like an hour. Why couldn't **** be that simple anymore?

[NOPSTNS]

scary aircraft, you won't catch me volunteering for that assignment.

im on ur team!

ive heard nothing but bad from the setup of the planes, its been YEARS of them tryin to get the military to ok the project...yearrrrrrrs.

they made a small appearance on the movie transformers tho! and i still think itd be cool to see one fly, they are weird ass planes.


and my friend wokrs at lancers shes a server and she hates the planes....haha wtf

i guess the city hall thing must have been them dropping off or pikcing up stuff for the work being done in there?

[wrx_snobordr]

im on ur team!

ive heard nothing but bad from the setup of the planes, its been YEARS of them tryin to get the military to ok the project...yearrrrrrrs.

they made a small appearance on the movie transformers tho! and i still think itd be cool to see one fly, they are weird ass planes.


and my friend wokrs at lancers shes a server and she hates the planes....haha wtf

i guess the city hall thing must have been them dropping off or pikcing up stuff for the work being done in there?


I would not want to fly one of those things, but they do look cool. I would love to fly an A-10 though. Come down on target and just let that huge cannon loose.

For anyone who is into military airplane history Willow Grove has a pretty cool museum right on 611. They have an actual German ME-262, the first ever jet fighter from WW2. They also have an American P-80 Shooting Star, our first jet fighter plus a bunch of other cool aviation stuff. It is definitely worth a visit, its free. The only part that sucks is the F-14 and F-18 are outside the fence so you can't get up close and you can't see the flight line.

[evomike]

It may have been something important to use a v22 for that, I mean we are only on like #102. Anyways about the v22 its not a scary aircraft and has no problems at all, the biggest thing was when it first went down because it was an experimental aircraft, the pilot didn't know how to fly the airplane and for whatever reason senators and reporters were on the aircraft. The only reason I'm saying its weird is because the aircraft only went into service maybe 6 months ago. Anyways I have no clue what it was ill ask around and see what it could have been, ill let yas know if I find anything out.

[The Captain]

For anyone who is into military airplane history Willow Grove has a pretty cool museum right on 611. They have an actual German ME-262, the first ever jet fighter from WW2. They also have an American P-80 Shooting Star, our first jet fighter plus a bunch of other cool aviation stuff. It is definitely worth a visit, its free. The only part that sucks is the F-14 and F-18 are outside the fence so you can't get up close and you can't see the flight line.

I've passed that a million times and never once stopped by. Next time I'm home from school i might check it out.

[W_Evo]

I used to be a helicopter flight engineer in the air force, and I would never get on an osprey...ever.

[Nors]

I heard something about the atom buster coming through the city, apparently its huge so maybe it was that.

[ITSTOCK]

It may have been something important to use a v22 for that, I mean we are only on like #102. Anyways about the v22 its not a scary aircraft and has no problems at all,

SAY WHAT??????? Here is a simple assesment on just a few of the problems of the Osprey. You are the first person that I have ever heard say that "there are no problems at all" :rotfl: . I mean, the History and Discovery channel aren't experts on everything, but I'll take their expert opinion long before you stating, "it has no problems at all". :rotfl:

http://www.g2mil.com/V-22safety.htm

[horhay]

v-22 is a waste of $$$ in my opinion. I hate when the military spends billions on planes that do a bunch of things marginally, but is not the best at any of them. For example. You want to heavy lift off the roof of a building? Use a CH-47. You want to deliver troops to the front line? Use a C-130 or C-17.

And I don't care what anyone says, I would never take an assignment to those things. Even if they look kinda cool flying around.

[den9]

Going back about 10 years you used to be able to park in the parking lot across from the diner (AT THE BASE) to watch everything take off :banana: . That was always a fun time!

damn they actually let you in the base? how often do fighter jets take off? i was thinkin about gettin a long lens and takin pictures but i dont think that would be legal today.

[evomike]

Those articles are old, there are soo many changes made t the aircraft over the years. And like I said how long it was an experimental aircraft, the aricraft has only been in service for like 6 or 7 months. But hey I really would know nothing about the aircraft I'm just talkin out of my ass, I'm not a fabricator for the aircraft and my dad isn't an engineer on the program.

[ITSTOCK]

Those articles are old, there are soo many changes made t the aircraft over the years. And like I said how long it was an experimental aircraft, the aricraft has only been in service for like 6 or 7 months. But hey I really would know nothing about the aircraft I'm just talkin out of my ass, I'm not a fabricator for the aircraft and my dad isn't an engineer on the program.

So your dad is an engineer on the program (you being a fabricator means absolutely dick), no wonder he is sticking up for it. It's got LOTS of downfalls, and you're blind if you don't see them.

Since the other article was old, and granted this is from TIME, it's still got lots of common sense problems.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1665835,00.html

In the end, I would say that yes, you are in deed talking out of your ass.

[ozthunder]

im on ur team!

ive heard nothing but bad from the setup of the planes, its been YEARS of them tryin to get the military to ok the project...yearrrrrrrs.

they made a small appearance on the movie transformers tho! and i still think itd be cool to see one fly, they are weird ass planes.


and my friend wokrs at lancers shes a server and she hates the planes....haha wtf

i guess the city hall thing must have been them dropping off or pikcing up stuff for the work being done in there?

Seeing as my dad was part of the finance team to get the contract for the Osprey (and I have the commemorative jacket and bonus $$ translated into a beach house to prove it lol), I feel like I need to chime in.

The V22 is one of the most advanced helicopters to ever have been conceptualized. The initial program was rushed- even if it was well funded (and at around 90 mill a piece now, including support, it is making it back)- and this caused the plane to have a multitude of technical errors as well as lack of appropriate training with the helicopter. The change in physics is immense..a Harrier is a different animal due to both the speed and the power of the machine..the Osprey is both bigger and slower, and that changes things drastically.

And they are in Iraq right now, and have received nothing but good comments (well, minus a few criticisms of the program lol). Here you go:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/02/08/osprey/index.html?iref=newssearch

However..there are downfalls..the technology is so complex (and lol@you guys trying to argue it through articles, why don't you just go for a tour of the complex? PM me, and I can try to hook you up) that there will be problems. BUT..your 90 million buys all the spare parts, training, and repairing you will need. It is not just 90 million per aircraft, but 90 million per aircraft and support. And that is a figure that is rarely released, and only released because I used my dad and his project as a major source in my "change of convential conflict" paper last semester.

I think it is cool, but it seems like it is not being used to the fullest capabilities, and rightly so. It scared the death out of everyone, and had it not been lobbied hard, it wouldn't have been built. But then again, Boeing's contributions to the aircraft industry and national defense have been so immense that one could argue they "owed" it to them to try (B17, B52, Chinook, etc etc). Regardless of personal politics, or technological pitfalls (many of which have been worked out or diminished)

Oh and I forgot, the reason why it is being hailed as the next great weapon is because it moves quicker than the Chinook, and that's about it. Its versatility means a lot to why it was continually funded (as do politics).

[ozthunder]

And he doesn't know what it was doing, but he'll find out tomorrow and I'll let you guys know.

[horhay]

Dylan, that bird is garbage and you know it.

[ozthunder]

lol, it's not as garbage as the build quality of Subaru's say 15 years ago :wink:

I agree it has taken waaaay too much $$ and time, however, if it works out, it will definately help in the LIC future.

[ITSTOCK]

I'm not saying it isn't advanced, and that is part of the problem, but it's moronic to argue that it doesn't have lots of problems. The harrier comparison is probably the best way to describe it in saying that a far advanced and complex machine was released without full testing (even though it has been decades).


Seeing as my dad was part of the finance team to get the contract for the Osprey (and I have the commemorative jacket and bonus $$ translated into a beach house to prove it lol), I feel like I need to chime in.

The V22 is one of the most advanced helicopters to ever have been conceptualized. The initial program was rushed- even if it was well funded (and at around 90 mill a piece now, including support, it is making it back)- and this caused the plane to have a multitude of technical errors as well as lack of appropriate training with the helicopter. The change in physics is immense..a Harrier is a different animal due to both the speed and the power of the machine..the Osprey is both bigger and slower, and that changes things drastically.

And they are in Iraq right now, and have received nothing but good comments (well, minus a few criticisms of the program lol). Here you go:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/02/08/osprey/index.html?iref=newssearch

However..there are downfalls..the technology is so complex (and lol@you guys trying to argue it through articles, why don't you just go for a tour of the complex? PM me, and I can try to hook you up) that there will be problems. BUT..your 90 million buys all the spare parts, training, and repairing you will need. It is not just 90 million per aircraft, but 90 million per aircraft and support. And that is a figure that is rarely released, and only released because I used my dad and his project as a major source in my "change of convential conflict" paper last semester.

I think it is cool, but it seems like it is not being used to the fullest capabilities, and rightly so. It scared the death out of everyone, and had it not been lobbied hard, it wouldn't have been built. But then again, Boeing's contributions to the aircraft industry and national defense have been so immense that one could argue they "owed" it to them to try (B17, B52, Chinook, etc etc). Regardless of personal politics, or technological pitfalls (many of which have been worked out or diminished)

Oh and I forgot, the reason why it is being hailed as the next great weapon is because it moves quicker than the Chinook, and that's about it. Its versatility means a lot to why it was continually funded (as do politics).

[ozthunder]

It does have plenty of problems, and it had even more. As of right now it is "minimal deficiency", which is its official status with both the Marine Corps and Boeing Helicopter Co.

[ITSTOCK]

It does have plenty of problems, and it had even more. As of right now it is "minimal deficiency", which is its official status with both the Marine Corps and Boeing Helicopter Co.

They wouldn't send it out otherwise if they weren't the least bit confident!

But the last page was stemming from evomike stating, "there are no problems at all". :eek: That is pretty much the extent of it :lol:

[ozthunder]

Yea I saw lol.

Oh well, I mean, well, I said my piece. If you'd like to know more, PM me.

BTW, he's ridden in one (one frequents Ridley every year or so), and he said it was awesome.

And I have a Thunder Chicken patch lol

[den9]

one thing i do know, itstock's posts are 90 percent debating and arguing, and he doesnt like to be wrong, matter a fact he might make that arguable

and no im not saying its a bad thing, keeps the forum interesting

[ozthunder]

Oh yea, I know that. I'm just saying, I have personal ties to this thing :wink:

[ITSTOCK]

one thing i do know, itstock's posts are 90 percent debating and arguing, and he doesnt like to be wrong, matter a fact he might make that arguable

and no im not saying its a bad thing, keeps the forum interesting

There aren't many things in this world that "have no problems at all"...

That's all I was saying :lol: . It shouldn't have been a debate to begin with! And I'm only actually wrong about 50% of the time :-p ...half full....half empty, whatever, can't win them all!

[dragonfly2k3]

This is going way off topic, but only because i havent researched the v22, but there are a few people on this forum who stand up for what they think is the correct answer, or just press on for more info. If those people did not exist no helpful information would ever be posted. Anyways, keep on keepin on, and get me a boeing tour.

[den9]

There aren't many things in this world that "have no problems at all"...

That's all I was saying :lol: . It shouldn't have been a debate to begin with! And I'm only actually wrong about 50% of the time :-p ...half full....half empty, whatever, can't win them all!

i agree nothin is 100 percent reliable, im just stating u like to argue, whether it be guns, questioning that dudes construction company, u.s. medical care, your cobra and that kid with the turbo celica, unions and so on.

keeps the forum lively

[evomike]

About me saying no problems, that's my fault I was doing 4 things when I wrote that.what I ment to say was there are none of the major problems that scared people away, I had thought that's what I typed when I continued but didn't. Every aircraft has its downfalls the ch46 hd them then became the 47 that has problems and in comes the new project csarx. All I'm saying is I'm sure its a safe vehicle or it wouldn't be there, and can you ever think of a military vehicle or weapon that wasn't plauged with problems in the beginnin and got a bad rap or was thought to be never needed. I believe the current cost is around 92 million and only time will tell right, but I have heard nothing but good things from pilots and servicemen.

[wrx_snobordr]

tristate tour of the Boeing facility?

[ozthunder]

lol it'd be badass.

Maybe if there is a lot of interest :wink:

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Yea I saw lol.

Oh well, I mean, well, I said my piece. If you'd like to know more, PM me.

BTW, he's ridden in one (one frequents Ridley every year or so), and he said it was awesome.

And I have a Thunder Chicken patch lol

yes it does! it flys right behind my house over the water. Sounds so bad ass too!

[wrx_snobordr]

lol it'd be badass.

Maybe if there is a lot of interest :wink:

Well chalk me up for interested. I would love to work there but if I can't do that touring the place would be cool.

[dragonfly2k3]

Lol, i could get you enough interest. If your father cant do it for tst, could you contact me if a penn college aviation class could come through?

[james_ls]

This is so far off topic...but I'm down for Boeing day...if ever possible.

[evomike]

i honestly dont think it will ever happen, i have only seen tours given to military and investors and vendors

[On Sale]

umm so what was taken from city hall? lol. this turned into a battle thread about planes.


i wanna know what the O.P. was talking about. sounds fishy.

[ozthunder]

i honestly dont think it will ever happen, i have only seen tours given to military and investors and vendors

They have had Boeing days in the past, although the past few years it has been very infrequent. Basically where friends and family come to take a tour, have a carnival, etc etc.

I remember seeing my first Osprey in 92 or 93 at this Boeing day..it was badass. And a lot of the Piaseckis from the past!

[evomike]

Yeah I know what family day is the klast one was like what 6 months ago but that was the first in years

[ozthunder]

Yup. They got away from them when they weren't doing so hot lol

[Drftpretty]

Is your brother the only person in philly without a camera phone?

[Keeper1343]

i work in the contruction field and we have helicopters help out with several things with some jobs. Most of the time they are lifting the huge HVAC units onto the roofs of the buildings. Could have been something as simple as that. As for the military..... who knows.

[ozthunder]

Keeper- at 90 million a pop, I don't quite think a V22 Osprey is the most economical solution to those needs lol

[zerioustt]

lols @ a osprey moving ac units for city hall...

[den9]

i never even heard of a helicopter moving hvac units, i thought thats what cranes were for

[ozthunder]

lols @ a osprey moving ac units for city hall...

lol you read my thoughts.

[Chair-Force]

x2 for LOL at Osprey moving HVAC units at city hall. Prolly there to fight Megatron or cloverfield.
They are in and out of the Grove once or twice a week on average. Hopefully a squad gets stationed there when the Navy rolls out.
They used to fly them up and down the delaware way back in the day, its an old airframe.

[Keeper1343]

Keeper- at 90 million a pop, I don't quite think a V22 Osprey is the most economical solution to those needs lol

Well they just rent them for a few hours and it will prob be about a half million dollars hahh...


den9
i never even heard of a helicopter moving hvac units, i thought thats what cranes were for

Alot of times the cranes can't reach the over the buildings where they need to be. Those units way some much. They will bring in special lift heli's for the occasion. They are LOUD!!!!

[DropTopChevy]

I just found out today on my visit to Vitetta (the firm renovating City Hall) they were moving a column to make an off site casting of it. They used the Osprey cause its not easy shutting down the busiest area of Philadelphia for a few hours.

[den9]

lmao so they did use an osprey for construction, i guess its cheaper to use that than shut down a few city blocks

[ITSTOCK]

I just found out today on my visit to Vitetta (the firm renovating City Hall) they were moving a column to make an off site casting of it. They used the Osprey cause its not easy shutting down the busiest area of Philadelphia for a few hours.

Ouch! :mrgreen:

That's funny this thread popped back up today. I was on a different site, and this was linked...

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=165557&page=1

I was going to search for this thread, but didn't feel like it. :supz:

[yellow2000S/R]

One flew over my parents house today. I thought of this topic also.

[JoeScooby]

huh... the death copter.

buddy of mine works on them down in new mexico.. scary things there are.

[Keeper1343]

Told you haha. It happens alot more then you would think.

I just found out today on my visit to Vitetta (the firm renovating City Hall) they were moving a column to make an off site casting of it. They used the Osprey cause its not easy shutting down the busiest area of Philadelphia for a few hours.