The aristo and supra 2jzgte

[SUPRARICE87]

Ifinally got some bread up but I now cantfind a supra 2j. I found a cheap 2j from an aristo. 2jzgte. The only thing I know is the aristo has the vvt, like honda vtech. I think it's differnt in some other ways but I don't know. I think the later supras had vvt too. I would love to hear what everyone have to say. I'll take my time filtering out the bull sh... lol. Most of you guys are pretty smart.
:o

[Nick 95 6sp]

I guess what you need to do depends partly on what you're putting the motor into. This thread has some good points that might give you ideas: http://www.mkivforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2866&page=1&pp=10

[SUPRARICE87]

I'm sorry Im putting it into my old supra (mk3)

[Instigator1225]

the only differences in the 2j's are the oil squirters, the oil pans, jdm(aristo) gets screwed on cams injectors and ebay quality twins but the internals are still solid and the same.. so if u can find a cheap aristo setup...
just check on supraforums.com and buy...

1. set of USDM twins(if your not gng single right off the abt)
2. USDM cams.. or 272's are gng cheap used nowadays
3. USDM injectors or some 550's



as far as your swap goes are you gng to sell your first born and buy a 6 speed? or jsut use the MKIII turbo (r154) tranny with the swap?

then 1jz bell housing, 1jz flywheel and 7mgte clutch ...and depending on your rear end.. u should be good to somwhere around 500-700 wheel.. depending on your driving habits and weather or not u use slicks.

and i think u ahve to use a front sump pan (aristo) because of the cross member on the supra.. dont quote me on that.. i am not to sure


and jsut relized you ahve the tranny already... my bad

[SUPRARICE87]

That's Right. I will go wit the r154 /w 1j flywheel combo. I will get a single But I am debating it , I could 2 save money. but It would be easyer. I will use my custom 3" exhaust and see how things go. Thanks for the info!!!!! I will check about the sump and cams.

I thought They use 550cc's... are they 440? I dont think so. well.. thanks.
:supz:

[Instigator1225]

usdm are 440cc .....

depends on what your going to do... you MKIII at full bpu would be pretty meaty.

idk what your into... i kno up here in cleveland straight line racing is dominant... so its either a dig or 60 roll.
either way usdm twins in that car is going to do u decently...and def be cheaper.

[SUPRARICE87]

WELL THIS MOTOR IS A JDM Aristo 2JZGTE.

I thought All 2j turbos only had 550cc.

i know my mk3 has 440cc.

non turbos 2jz Idon't know.

:eek: dose anyone knows for sure...

what about the elec. is it the same?

[Nick 95 6sp]

The 440 vs 550 issue comes in since the JDM 2JZGTE motors have smaller injectors (440) which are high impedance vs USDM larger injectors (550) which are low impedance - so you can't just swap out injectors without adapting impedance or swapping out the ecu's; plus the other points Instigator mentioned above for the JDM setup like slightly less aggressive cams, and the ceramic turbo wheels vs the steel wheels on the USDM turbos.

[Wiisass]

Why not just find a US motor? Why get a one from a JDM junkyard when you can get one from a US junkyard or possibly someone who's swapping engines for one reason or another.

And mk3 needs a rear sump setup.

[SUPRARICE87]

That is all very informative.

first I will use my original ecu from the mk3. the wire harness will be adapted to work.

The reason I am using jdm is I haven't found one for $1700 (including shipping) if you have one let me know. I would prefer that.
:eek:

yOU SAID i WILL NEED A SUMP setup? explain...

[Nick 95 6sp]

^ the sump setup refers to where in the oil pan the oil pickup arm is located. On some cars it's in the front end of the oil pan, others it's in the rear end of the oil pan, and the oil pan dimensions change to accomodate this. This can be an issue as far as frame, steering and suspension clearances. I forget which is which but the TT and Aristo are opposite in this regard.

[Wiisass]

Why would you use the Mk3 ecu for a 7m on a 2jz? That makes no sense at all.

And what Nick said about the sump. I'm not sure, but I think that Supra and Soarer 2jz are rear sump like the Mk3.

[Instigator1225]

usdm is rear sump... aristo is front sump.

[Instigator1225]

That is all very informative.

first I will use my original ecu from the mk3. the wire harness will be adapted to work.

The reason I am using jdm is I haven't found one for $1700 (including shipping) if you have one let me know. I would prefer that.
:eek:

yOU SAID i WILL NEED A SUMP setup? explain...


.. considering ur gng to have to splice in the 2js engine harness to the mkIII interrior harness....... but good luck making that work.

[SUPRARICE87]

.. considering ur gng to have to splice in the 2js engine harness to the mkIII interrior harness....... but good luck making that work.

This company specializes in converting wire harnesses. u send it out ... and plug and play into 7m ecu.( keepin it 7 real!!!)

I don't have the balls to do that myself. :(
wish I did...maybe not.

I will use modifided custom motor mounts for the swap. would that take care of the sump issue? I won't change the crossmember. I don't think that's an issue in my case. if I'm wrong let me know.

I welcome all critisim. no woulda shoulda when I'm done. lol

[Renegade_]

.. considering ur gng to have to splice in the 2js engine harness to the mkIII interrior harness....... but good luck making that work.
Good luck making that work? 240 and GC owners do that with every single swap and there is more than enough information just on their forums to make it work. There are also companies which can have the harness merged in a day and have it back to you asap.

[Wiisass]

I hope you're doing research in other places than on here. Because otherwise, you're probably going to be screwed. Not saying that people don't know what they're talking about in this thread, I'm just saying there's a ton of info out there on this and it should be pretty simple to do.

Why are you using the 7m ecu? I think that's a stupid idea? If you're "keepin it 7 real" then why not keep the 7m? Use a 2j ecu with the 2j. Get the engine with a wiring harness and coils/igniters/whatever it uses or needs and an ecu. And then put that in the car. Then you just have to wire the 2j harness to the chassis harness and you're done.

If the aristo is front sump, the oil pan is going to want to sit right where the crossmember is. So unless you're motor mounts are raising the engine 6" and you're getting a new hood with it, you're going to need to do something. So you're using the pre89 crossmember? Wouldn't it be easier with the 89+ one? Isn't the engine mounting pretty similar if you do that?

Go on other forums and do a lot more research. It doesn't sound like you're ready for something like this at all. Or save the pennies and pay someone to do the whole thing for you.

[SUPRARICE87]

I hope you're doing research in other places than on here. Because otherwise, you're probably going to be screwed. Not saying that people don't know what they're talking about in this thread, I'm just saying there's a ton of info out there on this and it should be pretty simple to do.

Why are you using the 7m ecu? I think that's a stupid idea? If you're "keepin it 7 real" then why not keep the 7m? Use a 2j ecu with the 2j. Get the engine with a wiring harness and coils/igniters/whatever it uses or needs and an ecu. And then put that in the car. Then you just have to wire the 2j harness to the chassis harness and you're done.

If the aristo is front sump, the oil pan is going to want to sit right where the crossmember is. So unless you're motor mounts are raising the engine 6" and you're getting a new hood with it, you're going to need to do something. So you're using the pre89 crossmember? Wouldn't it be easier with the 89+ one? Isn't the engine mounting pretty similar if you do that?

Go on other forums and do a lot more research. It doesn't sound like you're ready for something like this at all. Or save the pennies and pay someone to do the whole thing for you.

I'm sorry I won't use the 7m ecu. they will use the ecu from the 2j. it won't be 7real :roll:

And the motor mount prob. my mistake :) that's solved with a 1jz pan.

it will fit in no prob. :thumbup:

and I use 1j flywheel and bolts.

no need to be afraid..."when fear grabs you grab it by the nuts."

[jdmwill]

jesus h c..... rick i went thru this already with you.dude i could tell for sure aristo sump pumps are in the front.sothat knocks out that swap unless you retro fit with a supra/sc300 one.plus i could wire that up for you with know problem.

[SUPRARICE87]

jesus h c..... rick i went thru this already with you.dude i could tell for sure aristo sump pumps are in the front.sothat knocks out that swap unless you retro fit with a supra/sc300 one.plus i could wire that up for you with know problem.

YUP, UHUH. YOU HAVE A POINT CHEIF. :-p

[SUPRARICE87]

thanks for all the advice everyone. I will start the swap wery soon. I will let you all know how it goes. don't worry it's just a little motor swap. I'll be fine.
:)

[SUPRARICE87]

JUST A QUICK QUESTION...is the non turbo US 2jzge cams better than the turbo jdm aristo 2jzgte? :roll:

[Instigator1225]

thats like taking a b16 motor and instead of putting killer cams u opt for stock ls cams...

[pharnhyte]

JUST A QUICK QUESTION...is the non turbo US 2jzge cams better than the turbo jdm aristo 2jzgte? :roll:

Not sure.

You sure you dont want to do a 1jz swap into your MA instead? A 1jz clip with a transmission is easily 4 grand cheaper then the 2jz. In fact if your car is a five speed you can get a 1jz for a grand.

[SUPRARICE87]

Not sure.

You sure you dont want to do a 1jz swap into your MA instead? A 1jz clip with a transmission is easily 4 grand cheaper then the 2jz. In fact if your car is a five speed you can get a 1jz for a grand.

I just want the bell housing and flywheel. you have one? And everyone and their momma has a 1j. I would love to kick it up a notch. I want all my displacement. and torque.

p.s.
Oh, and My name is Rick Ross.
I gotta "Push It To The Limmit!!!"
:afro:

[kjj512]

I just want the bell housing and flywheel. you have one? And everyone and their momma has a 1j. I would love to kick it up a notch. I want all my displacement. and torque.

Well if you want to kick it up a notch why not do something cooler and if you want displacement why not put something bigger. Who ever said you had to put a toyota engine in there. You already seem very unprepared for this swap and it seems like your probably going to spend a lot more then you think when its all said and done. So why not do something crazy. I'm not trying to be mean or anything just trying to get you to think before another supra is sold because the owner got in over his head. Trust me I'm on my way with wiisass to something thats going to be crazy in my car. Just make sure your ready for a hard process that may not always go as well as you thought.

With that said I would love to see another awesome supra on the road so good luck with this swap. Oh and you cant just get another oil pan and bolt it on you have to change the oil pick up in the block. Thats what everyones referring to about the difference between front and rear sump. Its not just the oil pan.

Kevin

[pharnhyte]

I just want the bell housing and flywheel. you have one? And everyone and their momma has a 1j. I would love to kick it up a notch. I want all my displacement. and torque.

p.s.
Oh, and My name is Rick Ross.
I gotta "Push It To The Limmit!!!"
:afro:

Having a mk3 supra is different already, and a turbo one, more so even more, and a 1jz swapped one, what are the chances of pulling up next to another one at a light, very rare, unless your leaving a supra meet.

Good luck though

[SUPRARICE87]

Well if you want to kick it up a notch why not do something cooler and if you want displacement why not put something bigger. Who ever said you had to put a toyota engine in there. You already seem very unprepared for this swap and it seems like your probably going to spend a lot more then you think when its all said and done. So why not do something crazy. I'm not trying to be mean or anything just trying to get you to think before another supra is sold because the owner got in over his head. Trust me I'm on my way with wiisass to something thats going to be crazy in my car. Just make sure your ready for a hard process that may not always go as well as you thought.

With that said I would love to see another awesome supra on the road so good luck with this swap. Oh and you cant just get another oil pan and bolt it on you have to change the oil pick up in the block. Thats what everyones referring to about the difference between front and rear sump. Its not just the oil pan.

Kevin

what do you got in the works... an ls7...lol. Oh, I would never give up on my supra. The goverment would have to pry the steering wheel from my cold hands. lol. and as far as putting somthing other than toyota in my car...I am one of those guys that would call "sacralige!!!" the jz series in my opinion are the most powerful/reliable motor platforms that ever came from the rice fields. I couldn't drive a supra with a 350. it's just wrong! ( imho). Now 1uz I would concider legal with a twin turbo kit. I did think about that for a while. But I have the first turbo year. I would be poetic Justice to have the last turbo year. ( the Alpha inline 6 meets Omega inline 6) sentimental fool.
:roll:

[kjj512]

what do you got in the works... an ls7...lol. Oh, I would never give up on my supra. The goverment would have to pry the steering wheel from my cold hands. lol. and as far as putting somthing other than toyota in my car...I am one of those guys that would call "sacralige!!!" the jz series in my opinion are the most powerful/reliable motor platforms that ever came from the rice fields. I couldn't drive a supra with a 350. it's just wrong! ( imho). Now 1uz I would concider legal with a twin turbo kit. I did think about that for a while. But I have the first turbo year. I would be poetic Justice to have the last turbo year. ( the Alpha inline 6 meets Omega inline 6) sentimental fool.
:roll:

No, no ls7. We aren't saying anything about it yet. We like to be sure we plan everything out before we start a project. So we can be sure everything is thought of and done correctly. In the end it will save us a lot of time and stupid mistakes.

Also one of the only reasons the jz engine is a more reliable motor is because of the time and money that goes into the ones you see. If I had the budget some of the MKIV guys have to build a 7m I'm sure it could compete. (not saying MKIII guys are poor because I have seen some extremely nice ones) Its just the guys who buy an older turbo supra shim the wastegate then make a post on "this strange knocking sound". I also don't want to get into a 7m vs. jz argument so I'm justing going to leave it at that.

Oh and what do you mean about "first turbo year". The 7mgte was not the first turbo engine in a supra. Kinda ruins the poetic justice of it doesn't it.

[SUPRARICE87]

No, no ls7. We aren't saying anything about it yet. We like to be sure we plan everything out before we start a project. So we can be sure everything is thought of and done correctly. In the end it will save us a lot of time and stupid mistakes.

Also one of the only reasons the jz engine is a more reliable motor is because of the time and money that goes into the ones you see. If I had the budget some of the MKIV guys have to build a 7m I'm sure it could compete. (not saying MKIII guys are poor because I have seen some extremely nice ones) Its just the guys who buy an older turbo supra shim the wastegate then make a post on "this strange knocking sound". I also don't want to get into a 7m vs. jz argument so I'm justing going to leave it at that.

Oh and what do you mean about "first turbo year". The 7mgte was not the first turbo engine in a supra. Kinda ruins the poetic justice of it doesn't it.

Um, I'm going to have to disagree with you there cheif. The 7m was built as well as the jz we wouldn't be going through the tramma of a rebuild. That motor should Have been recalled for the headgasket. Do you agree?:eek:
I NEED PROOF.

Maybe your talking about in japan, but in the us 87 was the year of the turbo. If i'm wrong your going to have to show some profff. Hey, you learn somthing everyday. :bigeek:
I NEED PROOF.

...OH, your talking about the celica's m-teu in japan. well, when I say supra I mean "Supra". not celica-supra. But that was pretty impressive.

[kjj512]

Um, I'm going to have to disagree with you there cheif. The 7m was built as well as the jz we wouldn't be going through the tramma of a rebuild. That motor should Have been recalled for the headgasket. Do you agree?:eek:
I NEED PROOF.

Maybe your talking about in japan, but in the us 87 was the year of the turbo. If i'm wrong your going to have to show some profff. Hey, you learn somthing everyday. :bigeek:
I NEED PROOF.

Yes the headgasket was under torqued from the factory. Is that your only point of whats wrong with the 7m because arp studs/bolts and a fresh gasket can fix that easy. We have beat my 7m weeks in a row at the track on a stock gasket and arp studs with no problem. You may also be going through a rebuild because you didn't properly maintain the older engine. I'm sure once the jz's get into the high miles most 7m's have on them they will be seeing reliability problems too if not maintained properly. If you need proof use the search button on a supra board. Theres plenty of reliable 7ms out there.

Oh ok so your just going for usdm supras well thats a technicality especially if your getting a jdm 2jz...

Oh and by the way are you 87mkiii on supramania?

[jdmwill]

oh rick ur nuts man...lol true what the kid says about the 7m they are so old.but a freshly rebuild one is as good as a jz anyday.

[SUPRARICE87]

Yes the headgasket was under torqued from the factory. Is that your only point of whats wrong with the 7m because arp studs/bolts and a fresh gasket can fix that easy. We have beat my 7m weeks in a row at the track on a stock gasket and arp studs with no problem. You may also be going through a rebuild because you didn't properly maintain the older engine. I'm sure once the jz's get into the high miles most 7m's have on them they will be seeing reliability problems too if not maintained properly. If you need proof use the search button on a supra board. Theres plenty of reliable 7ms out there.

Oh ok so your just going for usdm supras well thats a technicality especially if your getting a jdm 2jz...

Oh and by the way are you 87mkiii on supramania?

No, that wasn't my only point. What about power?I know the 7m if built right can be an excellent motor. You know what I was talking about.:roll:

Well, my 7m was jdm (suppositly low miles) I wasn't expecting problems so soon. I learned how to blow a gasket before an oil change. The hard way.
painful lesson. then I learned about rod knocks:o:o. I got my P.H.D in that:cry:. I wish I never had to go through that.

As far as jz's in high miles, I think they been out for more than a decade... with power. Whatever.

It's true, it's jdm but my 7m was too. technically I won't loose sleep over that. but, they were all made there so...:eek: I don't know.

87mkiii. no, that's not me. I'm just a dude with an old supra.

you seem a bit nasty, but I did learn from you. I didn't know in japan the mkii came turbo'ed. pretty cool. You seem like one of those people that just like to tell people their wrong. That's ok. The part I disagree with is you don't tell them why or the right way. You can call anyone wrong or stupid but if you don't tell them why their wrong then they won't learn nothing. and won't believe you. and won't think. :bigeek:

favorite quote:
"If you kill him he woun't learn nothin'"

[Wiisass]

You do know that JDM doesn't mean good, right? It's still a junkyard in japan, it's not some mystical, magic garden that grows sweet fresh motors that are in like new condition, as much as people like to think it is. And a JDM 7M, I'm sorry, but that's retarded. 7M's are plentiful in the US and you can find them from junkyards here with warranties and people who speak english and it doesn't have to be imported and it just makes sense to get it here. And buying a motor with an unknown condition, an older 7m at that, and not checking it over and retorquing the head and freshening it up is just asking for trouble, but I guess it was supposed to have "low JDM miles" so it shouldn't been fine.

And for the most part, 7M failures are user error. And I do consider not fixing the well known and documented low torque setting on the head bolts user stupidity. But fixing that and then maintaining the motor well and it will last for a while. And to make power, it does need some work, but what older motor like that doesn't need work to make a lot more power than stock?

But I do agreee that if we were keeping an I6 in the supra, the 2jz would be the way to go. But then again, it's a super heavy motor. I mean sure it can make awesome power, but it's just a pain in the ass. Making 400rwhp with a 2jz is easy, but after that it gets expensive. It's not hard, but it's not cheap. And I would probably do it differently that most people, but I guess that's not the point here. Anyway, just remember that if you don't do everything right with moving the sump and oil pan stuff, you're going to quickly learn about rod knock on the indestructable 2jz.

And I don't think Kevin was being anywhere as nasty as he could've been. He was trying to offer advice, just like other people have in this thread. You seem to ask a simple question, get opinions, then act like you knew everything before you asked the simple question. But that's just the way I've seen it in this thread.

Oh and Will, Kjj512 is my little bro, the one who actually owns the white supra that I've been messing with.

[jdmwill]

hey tim you wouldn't guess in a million years who's doing the swap.........muaahhh.lol oh yeah when you say heavy how about nearly 800 pounds with trans.yikes haa haa. i want to thank all you guys for helping rick on his 2jz quest. even though he seems a lil off its just that he is so exited to finally have his dream engine on ma70. oh yeah we took delivery of his engine today not bad you definitely could see they power wash the crap of it. tomorrow were going to compression test it and give it a once over.


tell me are we gonna see that supra secret engine soon.!!!

and rick those super dooper low jdm mileage are not what they're crack up to be. japanese people beat the ballz of there car as much as we do. remember i do still kinda work for some of the local jdm part suppliers.

[SUPRARICE87]

hey tim you wouldn't guess in a million years who's doing the swap.........muaahhh.lol oh yeah when you say heavy how about nearly 800 pounds with trans.yikes haa haa. i want to thank all you guys for helping rick on his 2jz quest. even though he seems a lil off its just that he is so exited to finally have his dream engine on ma70. oh yeah we took delivery of his engine today not bad you definitely could see they power wash the crap of it. tomorrow were going to compression test it and give it a once over.


tell me are we gonna see that supra secret engine soon.!!!

You guys got the passion!!! I love gettin you all fired up. I didn't want to get ya mad though. I'm so fired up I could piss through a wall!!!! yeah!!!!!! I will be ...the few, the proud....the 2jz mkiii. yeah kick ass!!!!

and rick those super dooper low jdm mileage are not what they're crack up to be. japanese people beat the ballz of there car as much as we do. remember i do still kinda work for some of the local jdm part suppliers.


LOL. I think I told yall I already learned that with the 7m. jdm just mean jdm. it's a posibility its low miles but that's it. I already learned that the hard way. in fact, with 2jz motors us version is better. better cams,injectors and turbos. please don't hit me anymore wit that. my head is a pulp.

hahaha. you couldn't hold it could you...I wanted it to be a supprise. well, the cats out the bag. this was alway my dream. old school with a can of 2j wip ass. lol.

I wish I could of got a us2jz but when I'm done it woun't matter much. I been talking about this for a while and it's time to wake up and get this train wreak movin.

tell the truth, I am scared and I feel I should learn more but tell the truth who's ready for anything. It takes balls to go after what you think you deserve! I DESERVE A 2JZGTE IN MY MK3 SUPRA!!!

You gotta respect a man with a dream. :wink:

[Wiisass]

Will, if you're doing the swap, then I've got no worries. And I was just worried for the sake of Suprarice because I have seen how things happen when people get in over their head and have problems that they don't expect.

And as for our motor, I'll probably update the build thread on ziptied when I get a chance to really get started on the car. I've still got one cage here that I need to finish before I can tear apart the supra. I've still got a lot of stuff to figure out with this motor and setup, nothing too major just trying to figure out how to best spend the money budgeted in for this build. Which is hard because of all the super awesome ideas I have going through my head right now.

[jdmwill]

Will, if you're doing the swap, then I've got no worries. And I was just worried for the sake of Suprarice because I have seen how things happen when people get in over their head and have problems that they don't expect.

And as for our motor, I'll probably update the build thread on ziptied when I get a chance to really get started on the car. I've still got one cage here that I need to finish before I can tear apart the supra. I've still got a lot of stuff to figure out with this motor and setup, nothing too major just trying to figure out how to best spend the money budgeted in for this build. Which is hard because of all the super awesome ideas I have going through my head right now.

dude i definitely need to make some time to go up to your spot. my shop ownes me.

[KINGRICHARD]

I sure do now get to work!!! YAH MULE YAH YAH!!!!!

[Nick 95 6sp]

I hope you don't mind, if you don't want this clutter in your thread I'll delete it, just say so. I wonder if you guys would like to see ...or maybe you've already seen it?... a buildup of a MkIII into a pretty serious roadcourse track car by a guy on another forum. Tim knows which one I'm talking about. For the advanced JDMheads here, check out the Blacktop Beam's 3SGE motor he's using w/ a 6 spd, 200 stock hp NA, to become 390hp Turbo.

Here's the link to the thread http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473930 and I'll just throw a couple pics on as examples:

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/jeroesteve/Supra%20trackc%20ar%20build%20car/IMG_0017.jpg
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http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/jeroesteve/Supra%20trackc%20ar%20build%20car/IMG_0083.jpg
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http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/jeroesteve/Supra%20trackc%20ar%20build%20car/IMG_0140.jpg

[marshallpre1]

I hope you don't mind, if you don't want this clutter in your thread I'll delete it, just say so. I wonder if you guys would like to see ...or maybe you've already seen it?... a buildup of a MkIII into a pretty serious roadcourse track car by a guy on another forum. Tim knows which one I'm talking about. For the advanced JDMheads here, check out the Blacktop Beam's 3SGE motor he's using w/ a 6 spd, 200 stock hp NA, to become 390hp Turbo.

Here's the link to the thread http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473930 and I'll just throw a couple pics on as examples:



yup.. good thread

[Wiisass]

I'm real excited to see how Jero's build comes out. It should be pretty sweet, hopefully he gets it done in sometime soon. If he does and I get Kevin's car done, is anyone up for a trip down to Sebring for some Supra action? Nick, you should come, it's a sweet track. Or maybe we could get him to come up to VIR. I would love to run on the track with his Mk3 when its done. We both seem to have similar views on most of the build, but our motor choices are going to be very different, so it would be interested to see how they compare with most other stuff being fairly similar.

[Nick 95 6sp]

I'd love to give Sebring a shot, Tim. If I'm lucky enough and my wife dumps me before that, then it's a no-brainer I'll be there. Otherwise, working around the family thing has me in a little bit of bondage, so I just lay back and try to enjoy the whips and chains and make the best of it. But under the right circumstances, I might be able to plan ahead and make it, so I'll keep an eye open for how this develops.

[Wiisass]

Just leave the family in Orlando, there's a lot of stuff to do there.

But Sebring is pretty far, I just really want to drive that track ever since I went down there with the BMS crew. Maybe we can talk Gero into coming up to VIR when his car is done. I think that's a lot more reasonable for us at least.

[SUPRARICE87]

WOW. It's going to be the summer of the swaps. I didn't realize how many people are doing cool things. makes you want to smile. I can't wait to see everyones projects in person.

:afro:

[Instigator1225]

lol

go big or go home ....

i got a ls 402 that eats a 350 shot like its candy if your feeling froggy enough to put it in your mkIII hahah

[SUPRARICE87]

i guess theres more than one way to skin a monkey. lol

[Instigator1225]

....or blow your drive train

[SUPRARICE87]

That's when you know your motor has good torque :roll:

[Instigator1225]

lol i guess.


or the 10 1/2 inch stickies work to well