Torn between 05mustang gt and 2001 Camaro ss

[05scooby]

I'm really bored with awd, love it, but miss rwd... So, I'm torn, I've always wanted a last gen F- body Camaro SS...
But had a mustang before my scooby, and loved it... And I like how easy the newer mustangs are to make fast. So yea, I'm torn... Oh yea, Either way, the car has to be black.


So help... Btw, my scooby is an 05 2.0 wrx, 51k miles. Some mods but not much

[ozthunder]

How was that Marauder?!

I'd take the Camaro..

[pearl]

Camaro.

[1gmfanatik]

Camaro SS hands down...That Camaro WILL run a VERY low 13 bone stock, parts are everywhere, and they are BEASTS!! My roommates 00 Z28 ran a 13.3 bone stock. The LS1 motor is nothing to laugh at.

[ozthunder]

LS1's are junk dude, don't lie to him!


:eek:

[TalonTsi97]

SS anyday on a new GT. Good luck in the purchase

[1gmfanatik]

LS1's are junk dude, don't lie to him!


:eek:

Compared to an LS2 or LS6 or LS7 maybe.. :lol:

Nah, them there LS Series motors are the heezy..

[ozthunder]

lol, well, that's why I love the 2004 GTO.

LS6 Block
LS6 IM
different heads and cam.

[420sx]

Chevy > Ford.

[BradC]

Camaro SS hands down...That Camaro WILL run a VERY low 13 bone stock, parts are everywhere, and they are BEASTS!! My roommates 00 Z28 ran a 13.3 bone stock. The LS1 motor is nothing to laugh at.

Quoted for truth.

A friends SS went around a 13.2 stock and 12.8's with only a whisper lid and subframe connectors.

[1gmfanatik]

I actually prefer the 05/06 GTO's over the 04 because of them running with the LS2 motor. My stock TBSS RWD walks on stock 04 GTO's...That's bad..they are just too heavy. A stock Z28/SS with the LS1 will run right around what an 05/06 LS2 powered GTO will run.

[NJGOAT]

This is actually a tough choice. I would say it would come down to what you want the car to do.

If it is all about speed, then definitely get the Camaro. It is very possible to run 12's BONE STOCK and they are highly moddable and have a huge support base. The only problem with the Camaro is the crappy rear that GM put in. If you want to get any kind of serious with racing the car, you will need to invest in a 12-bolt rear and that will cost you some money.

As for the Mustang, it is a much "nicer" car than the Camaro. The interiors a lot better and they ride a lot nicer as well. The Mustang is flat out slower and without going the route of supercharging, it isn't all that easy to make serious power with the car. The main advantage to racing the Stang is that parts are extremely plentiful and CHEAP.

I would suggest driving both, but something else to consider is the age of the car. You are talking about buying a 3 year old Mustang or a 7 year old Camaro. If reliable and fun daily transportation is what you need, I would seriously consider the Mustang.

[ozthunder]

If I had the money for an LS2 i'd have it, but I'm not getting into the philosophical discussion over saving 10K and being a college kid.

What's that TBSS run to walk a GTO out of curiosity? B/c everywhere I see numbers, it is significantly slower?

[ozthunder]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=4065&page_number=5
http://www.caranddriver.com/minitest/10002/chevrolet-trailblazer-ss-page2.html

I'm seeing even or slower for the TBSS...lol, not saying it isn't as fast, but walking a stock 04 GTO seems to be a bit of a stretch unless somehow the TBSS's are dipping in 12's or very low 13's stock.

Edit: I'm doing more research, and all i'm seeing are kill stories from the LS1 crowd. Is there any video/proof/slips that show a TBSS walking allover an 04? B/c right now I've got more proof of a yeti in my backyard. :eek: :wink:

[1gmfanatik]

My TBSS is RWD which is the difference. Mine ran a 13.53 at 102 bone stock, she is also one of the fastest stock TBSS's around. The AWD's are typically known for closer to 14.0's all day long.

[Kiel]

My TBSS is RWD which is the difference. Mine ran a 13.53 at 102 bone stock, she is also one of the fastest stock TBSS's around. The AWD's are typically known for closer to 14.0's all day long.

The R&T article tested the RWD version, not the AWD version, and got 14.3 sec @ 97.6 mph. You're pulling nearly a full second lower at bone stock than testers at Road and Track magazine?

[1gmfanatik]

The R&T article tested the RWD version, not the AWD version, and got 14.3 sec @ 97.6 mph. You're pulling nearly a full second lower at bone stock than testers at Road and Track magazine?

It's all in location and weather. Yes, I have time slips in my visor in the truck to prove that my slowest time was a 13.66 and that was with a 2.1 60' and with some heat soak in my trans. She was slippin a tad going from the 1-2 shift. I let her cool down a bit and my times improved each run.

By the way, I DID also mention that my truck is one of the fastest stock TBSS's around. There is another guy that has run right about what I did. Make sure that you read that article correctly though, I can see an AWD version running a 14.3, but not so much RWD.

[NJGOAT]

Magazines can't drive worth a damn and none of them use an actual drag track, it is more of a street launch on an unprepped surface. So, there 1/4 numbers are closer to what is real on the street. Hence, why AWD cars tend to have test numbers closer to reality then RWD ones.

Not to stoke the fire, but the fastest stock '04 GTO ran 13.1 @ 104+. So, it is still 4/10th's and a couple mph faster than the fastest TBSS. On the GTO side, there is a significant difference between the auto's and manual's. Also, the GTO is much harder to launch on the street than the TBSS would be. An auto '04 GTO would probably lose to a TBSS in a stop light race, a properly driven 6 speed should beat it. Out on the highway, it would be a close race between the TBSS and the auto GTO until higher mph, but ultimately the GTO will walk the TBSS, we're talking 120+. The 6 speed should walk the TBSS on the highway without an issue.

[ozthunder]

Hey, I have nothing against them, I just think walking is a bit of a subjective term when it'd be within 2 tenths tops either way..

Anyway, the Camaro is much better than the Mustang, except i've always had a problem with their fit and finish. But for performance/drag racing, they are fine!

(And btw, the GTO is a horrible car to drag race unless you do a lot of stuff to it; it wasn't exactly engineered for that)

[ozthunder]

Magazines can't drive worth a damn and none of them use an actual drag track, it is more of a street launch on an unprepped surface. So, there 1/4 numbers are closer to what is real on the street. Hence, why AWD cars tend to have test numbers closer to reality then RWD ones.

Not to stoke the fire, but the fastest stock '04 GTO ran 13.1 @ 104+. So, it is still 4/10th's and a couple mph faster than the fastest TBSS. On the GTO side, there is a significant difference between the auto's and manual's. Also, the GTO is much harder to launch on the street than the TBSS would be. An auto '04 GTO would probably lose to a TBSS in a stop light race, a properly driven 6 speed should beat it. Out on the highway, it would be a close race between the TBSS and the auto GTO until higher mph, but ultimately the GTO will walk the TBSS, we're talking 120+. The 6 speed should walk the TBSS on the highway without an issue.


Took you long enough! And I told him about the SLP.

[NJGOAT]

To the op...have you ever considered a GTO? You can pick '04's up pretty cheap these days. You get the LS1 with a 6 speed, a good rear (though it is hard to launch with) and one of the best muscle car interiors ever put together. Waaaayyy more roomy and comfortable than a Stang.

[ozthunder]

And you're forgetting the build quality too!

[1gmfanatik]

Shoot, just as long as it's GM...Doooooooooo iiiiiiiiitttt

[SovXietday]

Do I even need to answer with my opinion?

I <3 my Z28.

[marshallpre1]

+1 on the GTO. They are pretty cheap now... But on topic- go for the SS :) I'd rather have the firebird though..

[fsburnout216]

CAMARO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but you cant take what i say seriously cause im an f body lover and owner. and dont tell nobody but im a
Fix Or Repair Daily hater. exspecially mustangs
FORD

[Sled]

CAMARO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but you cant take what i say seriously cause im an f body lover and owner. and dont tell nobody but im a
Fix Or Repair Daily hater. exspecially mustangs
FORD

your also probably a dumbass. you drive an LT1 car, which is one of the biggest pile of $hits ever made.

back to topic. if i were pick from those two cars, it would be the camaro. the LS1 cars are no joke. they fly with a few mods. they're also faster than the new mustangs right outta the box. you'd have to spend some cash on the mustang to make it run with a stock SS. now if it were a 4V cobra this would be a different story.

[ITSTOCK]

Why not go in between and get an unmolested 03/04 cobra?

Or just upgrade to a CTS-V.

[240sxDann]

havn't read anything else but camaro 100%. I almost bought a z28 but ended up with a foxbody 5.0 and regretted it everyday lol.

[SovXietday]

As for the Mustang, it is a much "nicer" car than the Camaro. The interiors a lot better and they ride a lot nicer as well.


Just a question Goat, have you ever sat in one and driven one before?

IMO the interiors in those cars are uuuugly. And I felt like I was sitting in a highchair driving an SUV when I drove it.

I really like how you sit down and how the interior wraps around you in the Camaro. It makes it nice and comfortable to sit in, even if it's not terribly aesthetically pleasning. Comfort > looks any day of the week for me.:thumbup:

[05 mazda6s]

The only mustang I'd consider is a Cobra, I may be biased but they have the most potential with the hand-built 4v especially the terminator cobras with their low compression ratio, set ready for boost.

[1gmfanatik]

Get that SS, slap a procharger on there an run some Cobras over. lol...Just messin..But really..SS+Procharger=splooge in your pants

[tcturbo91]

no offense, but the two cars are hard to compare. As said, the camaro is 7 years old vs. a 3 year old mustang. i'm not a huge fan of the new mustang. They are not very cheap to mod compared to the camaro. I do like the interior better on the mustang. the looks of both are ok. I personally would look into the gto as well as the cobra as above posters said. The cobra would be my choice out of all of them. Very cheap to mod, look awesome, and resale values won't drop like the gto or the new mustang (camaros will drop a little more but not too much more.)

[PUREKDM]

i'm going to stay on topic here because im sure the OP knows there are many more options available but OBVIOUSLY wants one of the two that were originally asked about...or is some dumb 16 year old and is going to end up getting a civic anyway....but lets hope thats not the case....but anywho, id say camaro...just because the mustang is so much slower and there are SOOO many more of them [mostly driven by women or old guys (just bein honest here)] on the road than ss's ...or so i have noticed...

[DropTopChevy]

Camaro or GTO. I had a camaro and personally loved the feel of the interior. I have driven a mustang of the style your looking at and the position of the shifter felt weird but that might have been just due to the fact I wasn't used to it yet. I personally like the looks of the camaro and GTO over the mustang any day. :banana:

[05GT]

Get that SS, slap a procharger on there an run some Cobras over. lol...Just messin..But really..SS+Procharger=splooge in your pants

Not quite that easy. You have to remember the LSx motors are a higher c/r and they can't handle as much power on the stock block that an 03/04 cobra motor can.

Get a terminator = end thread lol.

[foss]

Screw a procharger. Get the SS and a head/cams and watch it fly.

[Buster]

Just curious, on what mods you have that you are unimpressed with AWD. If you just bolted on a few things, and never tuned you are leaving a whole world of things untapped. 2.0 WRXs arent actually slow cars. My 2.0 was a 12.9 with just a turbo back an boost controller. Granted AWD and RWD are uncompareable but still, you have had your car for what 6 months maybe more? Just by upgrading to a larger turbo and FMIC sets my car up for mid to low 12s. Thats plenty of fun on the street.

I think you are jumping the gun thats all, not to mention if you plan on upgrading an LSx motor in PA and driving daily have fun. AWD was built for PA cobblestone roads. Just playing devils advocate. I would hate to see another ripe WRX go off to some 16 year old to die. Unless I could get your heated seats before they go lol.

[OMGz Turbo]

Get the camaro...Besides SLP quadtipped exhaust is teh sex....Sounds like the devil bitting god in the nuts when you get into it.

[Buster]

Get the camaro...Besides SLP quadtipped exhaust is teh sex....Sounds like the devil bitting god in the nuts when you get into it.

I hope the devil doesnt do gay stuff like willingly put anyones nuts in his mouth... lol

[NJGOAT]

Just a question Goat, have you ever sat in one and driven one before?

IMO the interiors in those cars are uuuugly. And I felt like I was sitting in a highchair driving an SUV when I drove it.

I really like how you sit down and how the interior wraps around you in the Camaro. It makes it nice and comfortable to sit in, even if it's not terribly aesthetically pleasning. Comfort > looks any day of the week for me.:thumbup:

I've driven a couple '05+ Mustang GT's. Overall I think the interior, while not as driver oriented, is better. The retro-ness of it takes away some of the ergonomics and the shifter as someone said is a little weird. However, I think that materials and looks wise it is waaaayyy ahead of a Camaro. Also, the newer Mustang's are holding up very well in the interior department. The acres of dull hard plastic in the Camaro that begins to fall apart over the years doesn't make for the nicest interior.

Again, that is all subjective. I do think the Mustang looks nicer and has a better interior and is an all around better built car. However, it is a lot slower and the motor is not nearly as good. From a pure performance stand point I would take the Camaro hands down. For a decently quick and fun daily driver, I would take the Mustang.

The op has never really said what he wants out of the car, only that he wants a RWD muscle car.

[OMGz Turbo]

I hope the devil doesnt do gay stuff like willingly put anyones nuts in his mouth... lol

Well he was with saddam according to south park....hahahahah anyhow.


But seriously get the camaro...

And keith, your a dirty old man.

[fastjim]

I'm really bored with awd, love it, but miss rwd... So, I'm torn, I've always wanted a last gen F- body Camaro SS...
But had a mustang before my scooby, and loved it... And I like how easy the newer mustangs are to make fast. So yea, I'm torn... Oh yea, Either way, the car has to be black.


So help... Btw, my scooby is an 05 2.0 wrx, 51k miles. Some mods but not much



I SAY KEEP THE SUBIE AND MAKE IT RWD BY (WELDING THE CENTER DIFF) I THINK THATS HOW IT IS DONE OR WAIT FOR THE NEW CAMARO TO COME OUT. THATS WHAT I WOULD DO.. HAHA

[PUREKDM]

get a 240 shell for <500 and then do an rb25 swap for <3000 and then upgrade turbo, injectors, intake, exhaust and you'll have like 6-700 rwhp...for under 6,000...

i've decided to go with the subaru kids on this one and give unreallavent sugestions that I want to see you do...

[marshallpre1]

get a 240 shell for <500 and then do an rb25 swap for <3000 and then upgrade turbo, injectors, intake, exhaust and you'll have like 6-700 rwhp...for under 6,000...

i've decided to go with the subaru kids on this one and give unreallavent sugestions that I want to see you do...

lol. I'll join too. Why don't you get a Supra?

[dragonfly2k3]

**** all that, get a 1ga dsm and have the fastest most reliable car on the streets lol.

[PUREKDM]

how is a 700hp skyline engine NOT reliable?? you can daily drive them up to 1200hp....go to any drift event and find someone beating an rb for HOURS straight and watch him drive hours to get home...you'll pee

[Renegade_]

SS, the LS1 is badass.

[PUREKDM]

hey! you have a subaru...you're not allowed to stay on topic...but yea you're right

[Tomerville]

If you must go American muscle, I say get a Terminator or go home.

Between the two you listed, I would say Camaro because of the availability of parts -- and the fact the '05 Mustangs are relatively heavy and not easy to mod.

[ozthunder]

While the interior may look cool on the Mustang, the hard plastics are an absolute joke. It is such a shame that manufacturers can't spend the extra $$ to bring proper materials to the interior.

We really are spoiled with the quality of the GTO.

[ozthunder]

If you must go American muscle, I say get a Terminator or go home.

Between the two you listed, I would say Camaro because of the availability of parts -- and the fact the '05 Mustangs are relatively heavy and not easy to mod.

FWIW- If he's choosing between the 05 GT and the Cam SS, he prolly won't be able to afford the terminator, unless you do some hardcore digging.

[05GT]

Between the two you listed, I would say Camaro because of the availability of parts -- and the fact the '05 Mustangs are relatively heavy and not easy to mod.

People like you crack me up.

Have you ever worked or attempted to mod a s197 mustang? If not, then why even say such things?

The 05+ GTs are EXTREMELY easy to mod. Don't know where you got your info but it's totally wrong.

[ozthunder]

Yea but the hard plastic interior, and the gaps everywhere? Cmon man!

[1988 Olds]

FWIW- If he's choosing between the 05 GT and the Cam SS, he prolly won't be able to afford the terminator, unless you do some hardcore digging.

I could be wrong but aren't the 05 GTs just as much or more then the 03/04 Cobra's. I know the Newer Camaros are probably 15-16k range but I would think newer mustang and a cobra probably would be around the same.

[ozthunder]

Well I know the 03/04's are holding their value extremely well, whereas you SHOULD be able to pick up an 05 GT for like low to mid 20's. I do know that my friend just got an 08 for 30+

[05GT]

You can get a base model 05+ for about $19K or so. Many are like $23kish. I'd save and go for a terminator, and I can say that since I had both lol.

[ozthunder]

lol, it's prolly built better too :wink:

[SovXietday]

I could be wrong but aren't the 05 GTs just as much or more then the 03/04 Cobra's. I know the Newer Camaros are probably 15-16k range but I would think newer mustang and a cobra probably would be around the same.

Oh hell no.

A good condition low mileage 00-02 SS typically goes for 10 - 11K. There are people who want more but generally they're modded.

The Z28s are the same damn car and go for even less.

[1988 Olds]

Got ya, I'm just saying a low mileage SS or Z28 cause chances are a 03/04 Cobra or a New GT that he buys is going to be low miles. I would personally get the SS since it's cheaper and is a good platform unless I really wanted to spend another 5-8K and get the Cobra.

[240sxDann]

cobra > gt or ss (unless its a supercharged SS which can be had for probably around the same price when you factor in cost of the car and cost of the mods)

[HickRocket1258]

I would think that the GT wouldn't be so bad. There is a lot of mods out there that go relatively cheap for those compared to an SS. I know it doesn't take a whole lot to get in the 11s with a mustang. They tend to be somewhat mod friendly. Maybe not quite as much as the SS but not too far behind.

[Scapegoat]

ever since we had a member blow a hole through their stock gt block after tossing on a supercharger and running safe boost levels... I kind of lost interest in the new Mustang GTs

It really is unfortunate that they placed the new Cobra out of reach of the average man...

[05GT]

ever since we had a member blow a hole through their stock gt block after tossing on a supercharger and running safe boost levels... I kind of lost interest in the new Mustang GTs


Haha...that's me, that's me lol. It was the tune. I got screwed. :cry:

[Scapegoat]

Haha...that's me, that's me lol. It was the tune. I got screwed. :cry:

ah, I thought it was tuned safely by the company that did the work... guess not

[ozthunder]

Explanation?

LS1 > whatever V8 is in the GT :)

[HickRocket1258]

Haha...that's me, that's me lol. It was the tune. I got screwed. :cry:

I figured that was you he was talkin about.

[05GT]

ah, I thought it was tuned safely by the company that did the work... guess not

Nope. The guy who does all my work now is excellent, and I would swear by him, but this was before I met him, and I happened to pick a place and got screwed.

I had the orginal tune file on my PC and when I met Kevin @ Wicked Motorsports, I gave him a copy of it, as well as I emailed it to another reputable Mustang tuner, and both agreed it was a majorly ass tune.