I hope none of you are waiting for a new M3

[namdoogwerdna]

Because your wait just got longer.

From ClubRSX:



BMW NA loses 370+ cars because of a tipped cargo ship at port in Jersey city. 70 of the cars are total losses.

Majority of the destroyed vehicles were brand new E92 ///M3s. If you guys are expecting these cars soon, you might be in for an unpleasant surprise. I suggest giving your dealer a call.

Shipping company's insurance co. is footing the bill.

Those cars not damaged beyond repair will be fixed at BMW's Elizabeth Receiving facility and sold as new cars. Cars that are deemed beyond repair will be crushed.

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[Roto]

damaged cars sold as new? I sure wouldn't want this year's M3...

[marshallpre1]

That sucks

[SovXietday]

Of all things to tip over, a barge full of overpriced hunks of... heh.

[streetAssasin96]

^ haha

[Keeper1343]

don't really care that much about them... They seem to be very overpriced. I liked the older style M3's anyway. Sucks what happened though. Hope nobody was killed.

[MPowerKai]

don't really care that much about them... They seem to be very overpriced. I liked the older style M3's anyway. Sucks what happened though. Hope nobody was killed.

You get what you pay for

[james_ls]

Nice wheels.

They should part them out! LoL.

[S4toSTI]

That stinks but this does happen from time to time.

[namdoogwerdna]

damaged cars sold as new? I sure wouldn't want this year's M3...

Same, unless they offered a longer and better warranty on the cars (although BMW has a nice warranty anyway). I wonder if they will even tell the people that ordered them what happened.

[yellow2000S/R]

I'll take the wheels off this car... and I want a set of headlights and wiring to use the projectors out of LOL.

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[D Money]

oh that's ****ing funny. lol

[MPowerKai]

Same, unless they offered a longer and better warranty on the cars (although BMW has a nice warranty anyway). I wonder if they will even tell the people that ordered them what happened.

There is no such thing as a better warranty

[NOPSTNS]

this happened to mazda once. the ship sunk! haha! bunch of brand new 3's and cx7s were lost for good! haha!


There is no such thing as a better warranty


he obviously meant a LONGER one. delete ur post, the mere fact that u found a reason to type that hurts my brain.

[namdoogwerdna]

Yeah, I meant a longer one. Same thing, longer = better in most cases.

[bastid]

Of all things to tip over, a barge full of overpriced hunks of... heh.

Clearly you must be the authority on whether or not it is worth the money you spend, especially considering since official pricing was only released yesterday by BMW AG and you probably haven't seen one in person let alone drive one.

[SovXietday]

Lol.

Don't get your panties all up in a bunch, and don't say that you aren't because you are. It's just a car and an opinion, but considering I could buy a car everytime you do a brake job I'll gladly pass.

[NOPSTNS]

bastid, he drives a camaro and a civic, do u value his opinion on bmw's?

its like listening to barry tell me that rotaries are 2.6l engines.....

just smile and nod bastid....smile and nod

[SovXietday]

bastid, he drives a camaro and a civic, do u value his opinion on bmw's?

its like listening to barry tell me that rotaries are 2.6l engines.....

just smile and nod bastid....smile and nod

What? Your posts make no sense. Just because I don't drive a BMW means that I don't have a valuable opinion on them?:bigeek:

I don't like the cars, I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't suit you, that's why it's mine and not yours. It's also why I don't drive one, did you think of that before you commented? :roll:

[bastid]

Lol.

Don't get your panties all up in a bunch, and don't say that you aren't because you are. It's just a car and an opinion, but considering I could buy a car everytime you do a brake job I'll gladly pass.

I'll bunch my panties if I want, but considering the fact that you are wrong I see it as being justified. :mrgreen: Full warranty covers all parts including brakes, pads, fluids, lines, etc for 4 years and 50,000 miles. It can be extended to 6 years and 100,000 miles.

[MPowerKai]

I'll bunch my panties if I want, but considering the fact that you are wrong I see it as being justified. :mrgreen: Full warranty covers all parts including brakes, pads, fluids, lines, etc for 4 years and 50,000 miles. It can be extended to 6 years and 100,000 miles.

Don't forget free clutches!!!!

Like I said before, there is no such thing as a better warranty

[bastid]

Don't forget free clutches!!!!

Like I said before, there is no such thing as a better warranty

I'm considering taking a family member's build spot on a new M3 coupe and trading mine in (after parting it out), but I don't think I'll push it through. I just made my last payment on mine, so I'd rather benefit from the extra cash in pocket and get something a bit more rad 12-15 months from now.

[WhiteXFire]

It's just a car and an opinion, but considering I could buy a car everytime you do a brake job I'll gladly pass.

As already stated, rotors and pads are covered under the standard 4 year, 50000 mile warranty. Now, I don't really like them either, but I did just take a director from work to test drive a new 335xi sedan on Friday, so if you're gonna bash on them don't focus on the warranty. :lol:

[Cardriverx]

man, if I was there I woulda took a couple headlights and, well hell, one of those engines. "Oh, those parts must have been lost at sea..." haha

[Keeper1343]

BMW's are really not worth the money. With all that money they get you for..... umm you pretty much pay for all the parts ETC ETC before hand haha. These cars get built for so little and get sold for SOOOO much.

[PhillyLS1]

Once upon a time there were a horse and a chicken who were good friends. They lived on a farm with lots of other animals and all were very happy. One day, while they were playing near the farm's pond, the horse stepped into a hole of quicksand.

The horse rapidly sank and was yelling for his friend, the chicken, to save him. The chicken thought for a minute, then ran away. The chicken ran back to the farmhouse, and jumped into the farmer's 735csi BMW.

Luckily, the keys were in the ignition, and the chicken managed to start the car, and put it in gear. It raced over to the sinkhole where the horse had almost disappeared by now. The smart chicken tied a rope around the back of the BMW and threw the other end around the front legs of the horse. The chicken hopped back in the driver's seat and stepped on the gas.

Ever so slowly, the horse eased out of the quicksand and jumped to safety. The horse, still on shaky legs, stuttered: "You just saved my life. Thank you!"

The chicken just said, "Don't mention it - That's what friends are for!!"

They returned the BMW and went out to dinner together in the barn yard. A few days later, the horse got up from a good night's rest, and heard some muffled cries for help coming from the backyard. The horse followed the sounds and came upon a terrible scene.

There was his best friend, the chicken, stuck in a hole of quicksand! The sand was already up to its neck-feathers and the cries for help had almost stopped. The horse took a quick look around: No rope in sight And the farmer had gone to town with his BMW. What to do?

The horse took a deep breath and spread his body and legs out over the hole. His thingie was dangling down right above the poor chicken. "Here, my friend, grab my thingie and I will pull you to safety!"

With its last bit of energy, the chicken grabbed a hold of the big horse-thingy and the horse straightened its body, pulling the chicken from its trap. With one big step, both were on solid ground and safe. The chicken slumped down on the ground, exhausted: "Now You saved my life, my friend!!"

The horse just smiled.

And what is the moral of this story? ... If you're hung like a horse, you don't need a BMW to pick up chicks.

[Keeper1343]

Hahhahahahahahahaahah

[bastid]

BMW's are really not worth the money. With all that money they get you for..... umm you pretty much pay for all the parts ETC ETC before hand haha. These cars get built for so little and get sold for SOOOO much.

Ever compare the build process and quality of a BMW to that of, say, something more mass produced? I think you would be surprised at the difference in operations. I think Barry could sympathize after his trip to Germany and his tour of the Porsche plant.

I took a tour at the US plant in South Carolina (Z4s and X5s) and I was blown away at the differences compared to other unnamed companies. The costs they incur are more than cheaper manufacturers - it's the law of business. Company X produces 1 car per day with comparable resource costs, and the quality should be greater than Company Y who produces 5 cars in the same day with the same amount of resources.

I'm sure if BMWs could sell their cars at the same price as say, a "lesser" quality car, they would. That being said, I've noticed the quality difference between BMWs and other models has shrunk in recent models. I'd still argue the M series is a bit of an exception to that.

Now, from a practical perspective, it may not mean much to someone. Then again, the people that wouldn't appreciate those differences will not pay extra for what they don't perceive as being a value add for the car. This is fine, too. It drives competition and makes sure to keep automotive innovators and technology leaders on their toes. Different strokes...

[bastid]

And what is the moral of this story? ... If you're hung like a horse, you don't need a BMW to pick up chicks.

Hahah that's a pretty good one actually. Haven't heard it before. I think everyone would be surprised how many BMW owners laugh at other BMW owners for the same reasons alluded to in the joke.

[ozthunder]

Ever compare the build process and quality of a BMW to that of, say, something more mass produced? I think you would be surprised at the difference in operations. I think Barry could sympathize after his trip to Germany and his tour of the Porsche plant.

I took a tour at the US plant in South Carolina (Z4s and X5s) and I was blown away at the differences compared to other unnamed companies. The costs they incur are more than cheaper manufacturers - it's the law of business. Company X produces 1 car per day with comparable resource costs, and the quality should be greater than Company Y who produces 5 cars in the same day with the same amount of resources.

I'm sure if BMWs could sell their cars at the same price as say, a "lesser" quality car, they would. That being said, I've noticed the quality difference between BMWs and other models has shrunk in recent models. I'd still argue the M series is a bit of an exception to that.

Now, from a practical perspective, it may not mean much to someone. Then again, the people that wouldn't appreciate those differences will not pay extra for what they don't perceive as being a value add for the car. This is fine, too. It drives competition and makes sure to keep automotive innovators and technology leaders on their toes. Different strokes...

While I agree with German efficiency and all of that, how does that explain the fact that M-B was at the top of the unreliable list for quite some time?

I've seen Porsche plant vids, and man, I'd love to go there. lol

[bastid]

While I agree with German efficiency and all of that, how does that explain the fact that M-B was at the top of the unreliable list for quite some time?

I've seen Porsche plant vids, and man, I'd love to go there. lol

Oh, Japanese cars rule on reliability - there is no doubt about that. I'm personally not a fan of MBs myself, but Porsches and BMWs do have their fair share of issues. Fortunately in my case, both of my BMWs have performed flawlessly. I take them in for regular maintenance and oil changes in between suggested change mileage and they always perform.

My best guess as to why BMWs, MBs, Porsches, and even on the high high end of the spectrum Lamborghini and Ferrari have "more issues per car" than others is that there's more going on with the car related to additional technology not found in other cars. More things going on = more likelihood of an issue. Most new cars today have awesome warranties, so that eliminates the cost aspect of any flukes. I would argue that in many cases it also comes down to the philosophy of adding engineering vs. displacement. Others are catching on, but there is still something left to be desired in my opinion.

[ozthunder]

Yea, I agree with that. Half the awesomeness of the Veyron is that it was engineered (by VW, mind you) to do everything it does for 10, 20, 30 years. It was engineered with such a focus on quality and reliability of performance that it just boggles the masses how it doesn't just break apart at the simple mashing of the accelerator. Big thumbs up the "Germans" for that one!

[bastid]

Yea, I agree with that. Half the awesomeness of the Veyron is that it was engineered (by VW, mind you) to do everything it does for 10, 20, 30 years. It was engineered with such a focus on quality and reliability of performance that it just boggles the masses how it doesn't just break apart at the simple mashing of the accelerator. Big thumbs up the "Germans" for that one!

Perhaps that's why they charge $1.5m for the car when each one costs $5m to build :eek:

[ozthunder]

It is exactly why, actually. lol..but VW deemed it such a success that two new projects are being developed for Bugatti as we speak.

[bastid]

It is exactly why, actually. lol..but VW deemed it such a success that two new projects are being developed for Bugatti as we speak.

Consider me in *












* Assuming the sticker is $37.99 :thumbup:

[ozthunder]

lol...doubtful. Project Lydia seems very, very cool. As does the Royale.

[PhillyLS1]

Hahah that's a pretty good one actually. Haven't heard it before. I think everyone would be surprised how many BMW owners laugh at other BMW owners for the same reasons alluded to in the joke.
Yeah there are a good amount with a great sense of humor. I tend to think the M guys are a better bunch because they're into the cars.
Vette guys are they same. Some are cool, some have a stick up their butt.

I think everyone's heard the porcupine one.

[Keeper1343]

Don't get me wrong... its a hell of a car. One of the best built cars period. But its just not worth the money. Not to mention I know BMWs don't exactly have the best reliabilty. I had a VW before and I will never go back to a German car again. I just couldn't believe how ass backwards everything was in that car compared to others.

[WhiteXFire]

So here's an honest question for you BMW owners out there...WTF is up with the dash? Seriously, I have all the respect for the engineering and the "ultimate driving machine", but why does the dash look like it's from 1984?

[bastid]

So here's an honest question for you BMW owners out there...WTF is up with the dash? Seriously, I have all the respect for the engineering and the "ultimate driving machine", but why does the dash look like it's from 1984?

Which dash? The one in the e46 or the new model? The e46 M3 driving zone is great in my opinion. I have only driven the new 3-series a handful of times, but I don't like it nearly as much as the e46. It's much less driver-centric. Now, I did like the dash of my uncle's M6 convertible.

[ozthunder]

iDrive may be the silliest thing i've ever seen in a car..

[CHAOS]

LMFAO pwnt!

[bastid]

iDrive may be the silliest thing i've ever seen in a car..

iDrive is somewhat of a pain in the ass, until you learn it. It received zero respect from critics because they only had the car for a limited amount of time. It takes a few weeks to get used to, but once you have it down you can do what you want quickly. ****, how long did it take everyone to learn how to use a keyboard? Is typing a pain in the ass?

[ozthunder]

I dunno..I'm inherently scared of technology, to be quite frank. Look at what I drive. V8. Manual. RWD. There is literally no technology past the instant-read stuff in the dash lol. I love my cars to be simple, straight forward, and everything is there. BMW and Mercedes have the nasty habit of putting bells and whistles in everything, and that for me doesn't do it. Even though I think Mercedes is retreating from that after the S-class and Maybach's reception.

[WhiteXFire]

Which dash? The one in the e46 or the new model? The e46 M3 driving zone is great in my opinion. I have only driven the new 3-series a handful of times, but I don't like it nearly as much as the e46. It's much less driver-centric. Now, I did like the dash of my uncle's M6 convertible.

We test drove a 335xi Sedan, but most of the cars I peered into seemed to have a fairly consistent design (5-series, 7-series, M5).

[MPowerKai]

I'm considering taking a family member's build spot on a new M3 coupe and trading mine in (after parting it out), but I don't think I'll push it through. I just made my last payment on mine, so I'd rather benefit from the extra cash in pocket and get something a bit more rad 12-15 months from now.

I'm actually still debating over the new M3 or GTR

[ozthunder]

Why? GTR rapes it. Who cares about maitenance, the warranty will be fine. There will be no aspect of performance that GTR would not be superior in.

[namdoogwerdna]

^Yes but the GT-R will be harder to get.

[ozthunder]

Which makes it even more baller than the M3.

[MPowerKai]

Eh, I don't just look at performance numbers. I'm more luxury sport

[ozthunder]

So then you'd rather have the M3 over the Lexus or the Mercedes?

[MPowerKai]

So then you'd rather have the M3 over the Lexus or the Mercedes?

I'd definately take an M3 over both of them.
Lexus warranties are crap
Benz is not sport at all. My dad has an S55 AMG and it's like flying a starship

[ozthunder]

So you've never bothered reading and watching any reviews of the C63?

[MPowerKai]

So you've never bothered reading and watching any reviews of the C63?

Top Gear

[ozthunder]

And how is that not sport? Its not as sport as the M3, but it's sure as hell sport.

[MPowerKai]

And how is that not sport? Its not as sport as the M3, but it's sure as hell sport.

Because it's like an ax murderer lol

[ozthunder]

lol being chased by an ax murderer is one helluva sport

[PhillyLS1]

You guys see the new CTS?

[ozthunder]

You mean CTS V? Other than the hypo pistons, its awesome.

[PhillyLS1]

You mean CTS V? Other than the hypo pistons, its awesome.

Just posted the new pics

[ozthunder]

lol...saw them on another site. There will be a CTS-V coupe too.

[ozthunder]

OH you meant the coupe. My bad!

It'll get the LSA just like the CTS-V.

[WhiteXFire]

I'd definately take an M3 over both of them.
Lexus warranties are crap
Benz is not sport at all. My dad has an S55 AMG and it's like flying a starship

Come on, you're comparing an S-Class to sport? The S-Class is SUPPOSED to be like a freakin' boat. Now, drop down to C or CL or SLK or SL and we'll talk. :-p


And screw the C63, I'll take the SL63 AMG Black Series in a year...:eek:

[ozthunder]

Or an SLR McLaren.

[WhiteXFire]

Or an SLR McLaren.

Eh, once you get to that price range there are 20 things that are better.

[ozthunder]

Yea, that's obvious, but it's not that sporty, right? lol

[bastid]

Out of pure ignorance, does MB make a car with a straight up manual option? Or an F1 style gear change w/o a torque converter?

[ozthunder]

WhiteXFire owns one that has a manual option, and there are a few others. To be honest, I didn't think they did either lol..

And the C63 AMG has a torque converter AFAIK.

[WhiteXFire]

WhiteXFire owns one that has a manual option, and there are a few others. To be honest, I didn't think they did either lol..

And the C63 AMG has a torque converter AFAIK.

I do??? :lol:

The AMG SLK doesn't come with a manual option, it's an "AMG-enhanced 7-speed automatic with AMG SPEEDSHIFT". In english, it's the 7-speed automatic with slightly improved shift times, several extra "intelligent" features over the standard box, torque converter lockup in all forward gears, and steering wheel paddles. Now, the other SLK models *did* come with a manual option, but I actually believe they dropped the manual in the SLK350 in the US for 2008. There are manual options few and far between, but not on AMG's to my knowledge. But stay tuned, I expect something similar to the other "clutchless manuals" within a year or two.

[bastid]

But stay tuned, I expect something similar to the other "clutchless manuals" within a year or two.

I'd hope so. I'd argue that neglecting to provide a manual (or a pure manual-derivitive) option has hurt MB sales to more purist motorheads.

[ozthunder]

Like it did to BMW with the SMG's in the M5/6? lol..hence, after petition/upheaval, they have offered them.

White- I'm sorry I was off a model year lol

[WhiteXFire]

White- I'm sorry I was off a model year lol

Well, you weren't really off in terms of the regular SLK, it's just that the AMG never had a manual option.

I'd hope so. I'd argue that neglecting to provide a manual (or a pure manual-derivitive) option has hurt MB sales to more purist motorheads.

I've seen a least 20 people personally on the forums who either decided to get something else or opted not to get an AMG in favor of a manual transmission (like an SLK350 6-speed instead of an SLK55).

[Mr. SUAVE]

is that the 1 series on the first pic?

[namdoogwerdna]

^Yes I think so

[WhiteXFire]

bastid, this is for you:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/08/officially-official-mercedes-benz-unveils-2009-sl63-and-sl65-am/

The big news with the new SL63 is the addition of Mercedes' seven-speed twin-clutch SpeedShift MCT (Multi-Clutch Transmission) with four drive modes. Shifts with the MCT are promised to be smoother, faster and more fun overall than before. Fun's good... Providing the direct feedback of a manual transmission with the total convenience of an automatic, the new seven-speed MCT with AMG Speedshift is an all-new design available only in the new SL63 AMG. Featuring seven speeds, four shift modes and a double-clutching function, the MCT transmission offers impressive versatility and even faster shift times.

At the heart of the new AMG Speedshift MCT seven-speed sports transmission is a new start-up clutch, which runs in an oil bath and replaces a conventional torque converter. Thanks to its low rotational mass, the start-up clutch helps the transmission respond instantaneously and dynamically with no slip.

Fitted with four drive modes: "C" (Comfort), "S" (Sport), "S+" (Sport plus) and "M" (Manual), the transmission provides customized shift control for maximum driving pleasure, and does so with no interruption of power.

[bastid]

bastid, this is for you:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/08/officially-official-mercedes-benz-unveils-2009-sl63-and-sl65-am/

Impressive, but for some reason (*cough* I'm an arrogant BMW prick *cough*) I can't seem to force myself to like Mercedes Benz. :cry:

[BlackBulletTSi]

LOL that is great

[WhiteXFire]

Impressive, but for some reason (*cough* I'm an arrogant BMW prick *cough*) I can't seem to force myself to like Mercedes Benz. :cry:

Hey, I completely understand, for some reason I feel the same way about BMW. :lol:

[bastid]

Hey, I completely understand, for some reason I feel the same way about BMW. :lol:

Awesome, I'm glad we are on the same opposite page.:screwy:

[WhiteXFire]

All that's left to say is...


Up and at THEM!

:rotfl:

[05Accent]

damn that sucks

[bastid]

New M3 configurator is live on www.bmwusa.com. Wee!

[whiteonblacktc]

that makes me wonder. i got a tc and they are 100% built in japan. not available there though. but i have never wrecked it and my driver door has always lookd like there is a gap in it. hmmm

[bastid]

that makes me wonder. i got a tc and they are 100% built in japan. not available there though. but i have never wrecked it and my driver door has always lookd like there is a gap in it. hmmm

Not sure if it was stated in the thread, but it is BMW's policy that they do not disclose damage of $500 or less to its customers. I don't know about Toyota/Scion's policy, but I would imagine there's a chance that the door was ****ed up and replaced at the port prior to it being shipped to the dealership for your delivery - assuming your car was built to order.

[Evo8kid]

yea pat! get it right, BMW's are garbage duh hahahahaha