Not gonna rant but this really upsets me!

[S4toSTI]

So i was just outside killing myself, by killing myself i mean smoking a cigarette, and i saw a girl who works at the store across from me in the mall smoking a cigarette too. Now whatever smoking is bad but well the problem here is she is pregnant. I didn't know it before but one of the girls who works at the jewelry store next door said this is her second baby and she smoked threw out her whole first prenancy. She says "my first one was fine and i smoked, this one will be fine too." I really wanna smack this girl. I would never hit a girl but wow how can someone be so dumb. Smoking is dumb in general but when your having a baby you have to be an idiot to smoke. From what i just heard also there is a girl who works upstairs who claims her doctor told her it was perfectly fine to smoke while she was preganant... ok i definatelly wanna punch him too. Anyway i am really amazed by this, anyone else ever seen stuff like this cause it personally makes me :furious: !!!!!

[SexyDSM95]

Actually Barry, from experience (from a friend not me) if you are a constant smoker and you do get pregnant, depriving the child of nicotine (sp?) can actually hurt the child. Your body is so use to a certain intake and so does the embryo, and if you just quit cold turkey, the born child had a chance of being partially retarded.

[S4toSTI]

Actually Barry, from experience (from a friend not me) if you are a constant smoker and you do get pregnant, depriving the child of nicotine (sp?) can actually hurt the child. Your body is so use to a certain intake and so does the embryo, and if you just quit cold turkey, the born child had a chance of being partially retarded.
Oh wow i didn't know that. So wouldn't the responsible thing be then quit before u get pregnant? And in that case could you use the patch or something else besides smoking itself, i am not sure if you are well versed on this i am just intriuged now.

[SexyDSM95]

Barry, in this day and age how many people actually "plan" pregnancies. And as she said to you, her first child was fine when she smoked, which most likely means she was a smoker before she was pregnant with the first. Not sure if the patch would be a sufficient intake of nicotine since every week you go a step down. The only reason I know about quitting cold turkey is because a friend did that when she found out she was 12 weeks pregnant. Her baby was born pre-maturely and with all kinds of problems. It's sad :(

I don't think alcohol works the same way though lol I don't want to find out either.

[S4toSTI]

Barry, in this day and age how many people actually "plan" pregnancies. And as she said to you, her first child was fine when she smoked, which most likely means she was a smoker before she was pregnant with the first. Not sure if the patch would be a sufficient intake of nicotine since every week you go a step down. The only reason I know about quitting cold turkey is because a friend did that when she found out she was 12 weeks pregnant. Her baby was born pre-maturely and with all kinds of problems. It's sad :(

I don't think alcohol works the same way though lol I don't want to find out either.
But i mean if you are with someone and you want ot have a baby i woulkd say best bet stop before u start trying.

[smoger]

Barry, in this day and age how many people actually "plan" pregnancies. And as she said to you, her first child was fine when she smoked, which most likely means she was a smoker before she was pregnant with the first. Not sure if the patch would be a sufficient intake of nicotine since every week you go a step down. The only reason I know about quitting cold turkey is because a friend did that when she found out she was 12 weeks pregnant. Her baby was born pre-maturely and with all kinds of problems. It's sad :(

I don't think alcohol works the same way though lol I don't want to find out either.


did the doctors actually say that the quitting smoking was what def. caused it?

im looking at all these medical sites and i dont see any that support that theory.. im just curious

Miscarriage, placental abruption, premature rupture of the membranes, premature birth, and low birth weight have all been shown to be more prevalent in the pregnancies of heavy smokers. If you quit smoking by 16 weeks gestation, you can avert many of these complications; and some can still be prevented even if you wait until close to the end of your pregnancy to stop smoking.

[SexyDSM95]

But i mean if you are with someone and you want ot have a baby i woulkd say best bet stop before u start trying.
Again, how many people these days actually plan these things. I don't think that when you are having sexual relations with someone that you are hoping to get her pregnant and you make sure she stops smoking.

did the doctors actually say that the quitting smoking was what def. caused it?
Yes, that's the only reason she could figure out why her child was born the way it was. She wasn't a drug user or alcohol drinker. You just read posted it...what exactly are you not understanding?

[dolphinS4]

Barry, in this day and age how many people actually "plan" pregnancies. And as she said to you, her first child was fine when she smoked, which most likely means she was a smoker before she was pregnant with the first. Not sure if the patch would be a sufficient intake of nicotine since every week you go a step down. The only reason I know about quitting cold turkey is because a friend did that when she found out she was 12 weeks pregnant. Her baby was born pre-maturely and with all kinds of problems. It's sad :(

I don't think alcohol works the same way though lol I don't want to find out either.
As sad as a child being born with problems is, what you are saying sounds more like an internet tale. Smoking fills the body with a number of known carncinergines not just Nicotein. The Nicotein is the least harmful of the substances in a cigarette, but the most addicting. The mother needs the Nicotein, not the baby.

So what you are saying is that a greater amount of poision is better than a smaller amount?

A pregnant woman who smokes is selffish. I am trying to say this with the most respect as possible. I hope I have.

[SexyDSM95]

So what you are saying is that a greater amount of poision is better than a smaller amount?

A pregnant woman who smokes is selffish. I am trying to say this with the most respect as possible. I hope I have.
Oh right, the Internet tale about my friend who I went to high school with...let me tell you how untrue it is :roll: With what you just said, then I guess it's just completely impossible to have a baby born that's addicted to pain killers.

[smoger]

Yes, that's the only reason she could figure out why her child was born the way it was. She wasn't a drug user or alcohol drinker. You just read posted it...what exactly are you not understanding?

well,.. i mean, unfortunately.. these things just seem to happen sometimes. there is no plan to follow that guarantees a healthy child

[SexyDSM95]

As sad as a child being born with problems is, what you are saying sounds more like an internet tale. Smoking fills the body with a number of known carncinergines not just Nicotein. The Nicotein is the least harmful of the substances in a cigarette, but the most addicting. The mother needs the Nicotein, not the baby.

So what you are saying is that a greater amount of poision is better than a smaller amount?

A pregnant woman who smokes is selffish. I am trying to say this with the most respect as possible. I hope I have.

P.S. You are kind of wrong

Some of the most harmful for pregnant women and their babies is nicotine, carbon monoxide and cyanide. These substances have been found to cross the placenta and reach the baby.

[dolphinS4]

Wait, your missing what I am saying.
You stated that stopping smoking during a pregnancy can be harmful to the fetus and cause birth problems. This is the exact opposite of all medical advice.

I'm not saying that your friend's baby doesn't have problems, but to blame it on the fact that she stopped smoking is crazy. Not all medical problems can be traced to a cause/effect relationship unfortunantly.

Cigs contain poisionious substances to the human body and a developing fetus does not posses any defense against them.

[igo4bmx]

Actually Barry, from experience (from a friend not me) if you are a constant smoker and you do get pregnant, depriving the child of nicotine (sp?) can actually hurt the child. Your body is so use to a certain intake and so does the embryo, and if you just quit cold turkey, the born child had a chance of being partially retarded.

i think the real reasoning behind this is that nicotine and tar traces stay in the blood stream long enough that even if you quit cold turkey on day one of the pregnancy (which doesn't happen because most people don't even realize they're pregnant till later) the chemicals reside in the body while the fetus grows..

[dolphinS4]

I'm wrong??? You got to be kidding me.
BTW: I guess you missed the part of my post where I stated I wasn't trying to offend you. OH well.

[SexyDSM95]

Wait, your missing what I am saying.
You stated that stopping smoking during a pregnancy can be harmful to the fetus and cause birth problems. This is the exact opposite of all medical advice.

I'm not saying that your friend's baby doesn't have problems, but to blame it on the fact that she stopped smoking is crazy. Not all medical problems can be traced to a cause/effect relationship unfortunantly.

Cigs contain poisionious substances to the human body and a developing fetus does not posses any defense against them.
Ahh okay I get what you are saying. Total confusion, but I think it's the same with what you are reading. I said that my friend stopped smoking cold turkey DURING the pregnancy like further into it then what is recommended by these health professionals. If she quit when she originally found out, or earlier then when she decided to, then maybe things could have been different. That's what the doctors told her and that's what she told me and my friends. If her doctor is a quack, then that's what he is.

[dolphinS4]

Ahh okay I get what you are saying. Total confusion, but I think it's the same with what you are reading. I said that my friend stopped smoking cold turkey DURING the pregnancy like further into it then what is recommended by these health professionals. If she quit when she originally found out, or earlier then when she decided to, then maybe things could have been different. That's what the doctors told her and that's what she told me and my friends. If her doctor is a quack, then that's what he is.
Lets just call the whole situation unfortunate. But for God's sake don't smoke,drink or do drugs when your pregnant people.

[2point4DSM]

Actually Barry, from experience (from a friend not me) if you are a constant smoker and you do get pregnant, depriving the child of nicotine (sp?) can actually hurt the child. Your body is so use to a certain intake and so does the embryo, and if you just quit cold turkey, the born child had a chance of being partially retarded.

Sandra, your wrong about this. I was pre-med in college, half my family is in medicine and my wife is a doctor, too. What your saying is not based on any kind of real fact. Smoking while being pregant will hurt the fetus/child. Quitting is the best thing that could happen. And the sooner the better.

Please keep that in mind and correct your friends that think otherwise. I'm sure your friend just misunderstood or heard what she wanted to.

[2point4DSM]

Not all medical problems can be traced to a cause/effect relationship, unfortunately.

Cigs contain poisionious substances to the human body and a developing fetus does not posses any defense against them.

For God's sake, don't smoke, drink or do drugs when your pregnant people.

This is exactly right!

[Aaron]

This is like saying a drunk should keep drinking while she's pregnant. Coincidentally, this will probably only lead to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. I don't think you said a Dr. said that was the cause, but I did read "that's the only reason she could figure out why her child was born the way it was." I wouldn't endorse scheduled smoking during a pregnancy. Then again, I'm still having a hard time swallowing that whole "one glass of wine per day may be good for your baby" stuff either.

[95nracer]

I'm not trying to say that smoking while pregnant is smart, but my grandma said she smoked while pregnant with my mom and she is ok. My mom said that she smoked while pregnant with me and I think I'm ok. Allie's mom smoked when she had her, but she may be a little loopy from it LoL.. Allie also smoked when we had Malaya and sh'e more than fine.

Smoking is still bad for you and may be bad for the unborn child, but from inside of my family we have been ok.

[LSHatch]

I think it's incredibly selfish to smoke while pregnant. Good, get the kid stuck to nicotine before it even has a chance.

[95nracer]

I don't know, last time I checked my daughter hasn't picked up a cig. :confused:

I think people with addictions to cigs has more to do with it being part of their routine or habbit.

[poolmike]

I started and stopped smoking when I was 13 years old. I find it to be a pointless habit. We know it causes cancers, birth defects, breathing issues etc... so right there, why would someone want to start/continue to smoke.

This girl Barry is preaching about needs a lesson in common sense. So there might be a chance that quitting while pregnant could cause a problem, She should still quit, It would be better for them both.

Now for my ranting about smoker's. The smoke smells like ****, therefore the smoker smells like ****, the smoker's breath smells like ****, everything/everyone around the smoker ends up smelling like ****. Now just imagine what your lungs look like.

[95nracer]

They look like ****!! YEEESSSS!!!11!11oNe!!! LoL! :mrgreen:

Yeah I know, I do need to guit. To save my lungs and to save some damn cash!

[Raven18940]

Justify it this way, with the cash you save you could mod your car just enough to break 13.3. :lol:

[95nracer]

Word to you mutha!! LoL

Ok now back on topic you!! (and me)

[WrxJC]

Back on topic.....

Smoking eases a lot of stress. So, although smoking is bad for you, so is stress. Stress is bad for a baby. If you do quit smoking cold turkey during a pregnancy it probably could be the cause of birth problems, just not the lack of nicotine/carcinogens part. The stress part is probably what caused the problems with your friends baby.<---(sandy)
So yeah, obviously thats just a guess, but to me it sounds like a pretty good guess. SO this way, everyone is right.
Smoking isn't good for a baby but neither is stress.
WE ALL WIN :)

[LSHatch]

A lot more ways to relieve stress than sticking a cancer stick in your mouth.

[2point4DSM]

Smoking eases a lot of stress. So, although smoking is bad for you, so is stress.

Insert, "Inhaling toxic chemicals," where you find the word, "smoking," and you can see how it doesn't make sense.

Stress is bad for a baby.

The baby could care less. Actually, it would probably appreciate the stress over the toxic chemicals!

If you do quit smoking cold turkey during a pregnancy it probably could be the cause of birth problems, just not the lack of nicotine/carcinogens part. The stress part is probably what caused the problems with your friends baby.<---(sandy)

Absolutely wrong!

So yeah, obviously thats just a guess, but to me it sounds like a pretty good guess. SO this way, everyone is right. Smoking isn't good for a baby but neither is stress. WE ALL WIN :)

Please don't guess with a fetus/child/baby's life. Know the facts. We can make up all sorts of excuses why smoking is good for you and the baby. None of it will ever be true. When a pregnant person smokes it's a no win situation.

[2point4DSM]

Again, how many people these days actually plan these things.

More common than you think.

Yes, that's the only reason she could figure out why her child was born the way it was. She wasn't a drug user or alcohol drinker. You just read posted it...what exactly are you not understanding?

Premies are more likley to have birth defects. Sometimes having pre-mature babies just runs in the family. My wife's good friend is an internal medicine doc, her husband is a surgeon and both of them trained at Harvard, along with my wife. They have a little one who was born pre-mature. But my wife's friend was also a premie and her parents are school teachers.

[SexyDSM95]

More common than you think.



Premies are more likley to have birth defects. Sometimes having pre-mature babies just runs in the family. My wife's good friend is an internal medicine doc, her husband is a surgeon and both of them trained at Harvard, along with my wife. They have a little one who was born pre-mature. But my wife's friend was also a premie and her parents are school teachers.
Wil I must ask...just because your wife may be a surgeon or specialize in one field (the same with most of your family members), does that also mean they specialize as a pediatrician? So, let's say I went to your first cousin (who could be a surgeon) for a "female" problem down there...would he be able to tell me exactly what's going on because he has a doctrine versus an OBGYN? I am not trying to come off rude, just a general question I always wondered. If that's true then hell, I would rather pay my ear doctor to check out my "goods" over an OBGYN anyday!

More common than you think.
Right, if more people actually planned out having children then I doubt there would be such an arise in abortion and adoption over the past decade or two.

[xEJ20x]

Actually Barry, from experience (from a friend not me) if you are a constant smoker and you do get pregnant, depriving the child of nicotine (sp?) can actually hurt the child. Your body is so use to a certain intake and so does the embryo, and if you just quit cold turkey, the born child had a chance of being partially retarded.

My mom was a heavy smoker, then she quit cold when she was pregnant with my elder sister.
The only side-effect that my sister seems to have is shes a raging bitch. :mrgreen:

[MuddyREX]

You should not smoke while pregnant, period. Ask any doctor, I bet you they agree with me.

[LadyTSi]

It all comes down to its that "girl's" body. As stated before i did smoke with Malaya, i didn't smoke as much but yes i did smoke. Malaya is fine. When she was delievered she didn't come out screaming needing a cig to calm her, (the way a baby does when a mother smokes crack) she is healthy and so freakin strong. If she did start smoking it would be prolly the same reason i did, saw WHOLE family, (grandmother, aunts uncles, parents ) smoking and friends. saw it being done, wasn't allowed so i did it. Would i tell another woman she shouldn't smoke while pregnant? NO! its her body! My OBGYN KNEW i smoked..... Go ahead and have your rant. but she and any other woman is not your problem, feel bad, make your rants but it is her body!

i agree with WRXJRL if i had quit cold turkey i would have been crazy and i was already a high risk pregnancy! i was put on bed rest! but it had nothing to do with smoking, there are SOOOOOOOO many factors into birth defects. Age, Weight, and a biggie is FAMILY HISTORY so i am done for now.

[LSHatch]

This thread should just stop. There is so much misinformation being spread around.

While you are at it smoking while pregnant, just smoke weed, crack, and drink too. Why not? It's their body....

[SexyDSM95]

I don't consider it misinformation just because it's not written in any books or hardbound. Different people have different body types not everyone has the same type of birth, and not everyone does the same exact things while pregnant. I consider this a broad eye opener and you know the sad part? Some women that are pregnant do drink, smoke, do drugs, etc. and they have the attitude that it's their bodies so they can do what they want. It's reality, and it happens. LadyRX-7 is right, there are so many factors that are involved in a pregnancy so just because one person did something while pregnant and their baby is fine/healthy doesn't mean someone else will do the same.

[xEJ20x]

I don't consider it misinformation just because it's not written in any books or hardbound. Different people have different body types not everyone has the same type of birth, and not everyone does the same exact things while pregnant. I consider this a broad eye opener and you know the sad part? Some women that are pregnant do drink, smoke, do drugs, etc. and they have the attitude that it's their bodies so they can do what they want. It's reality, and it happens. LadyRX-7 is right, there are so many factors that are involved in a pregnancy so just because one person did something while pregnant and their baby is fine/healthy doesn't mean someone else will do the same.

Its proof that sometimes Darwin is wrong. :roll:

[SexyDSM95]

I guess so...I was born a girl and that is different because George was born a boy...oh noeeez! One of us was born retarded! Was it your mom or mine that smoked cracked and popped up pain killers while we were in the womb?

[xEJ20x]

I guess so...I was born a girl and that is different because George was born a boy...oh noeeez! One of us was born retarded! Was it your mom or mine that smoked cracked and popped up pain killers while we were in the womb?

It wasnt the drugs. It was her taking a shot to the baby-maker in a football game.

[SexyDSM95]

It wasnt the drugs. It was her taking a shot to the baby-maker in a football game.
You need to stop! Stop mis-informing people, Darwin is always right!

[xEJ20x]

You need to stop! Stop mis-informing people, Darwin is always right!

Only when hes copying off me during tests.

[2point4DSM]

First off, LadyRX7, what you do with your body is up to you. I agree with that completely. On the other hand, I still agree with the warnings that pregnant women should not smoke. Still, my wife and a few of her medical friends had parents and families very similar to yours. That's just the way it was and only the tobacco companies knew any better. Smoking was cool and everyone did it. But it obviously didn't stop them from graduating 1st or top of their respective classes, in HS, college, med school, etc. Of course, now that we, as in people that live in America, know better, why would anyone want to do any more harm to themselves and their loved ones. It is tough to quit, granted, but worth it. Still, we, here, should not judge others. No one is better than anyone else. If it is used to help cope with the stresses in life, maybe it would be better to get rid of or find a better way to deal with that stress.

just because your wife may be a surgeon or specialize in one field (the same with most of your family members), does that also mean they specialize as a pediatrician?

The quick answer is, no. My wife does not specialize in pediatrics and therefore will refer you. And you are better off going to a specialist concerning specifics, anyway. My wife gets all sorts of literature almost everyday related specifically to just her specialty and it is overwhelming to say the least. There is no way any one can know everything.

Also no one in my family is either a pediatrician or surgeon. But we have many friends that are one or the other. Still, a doctor, nurse, and even a lot of other people will know the basics. Obviously, doctors will have a better idea of other specialties just because of their training.

(and now for the essay portion that most people should just ignore :))

Starting in college, and a little in HS, we learned a lot of the general stuff that is used in medicine. Biology, chemistry, and physics, are the big ones. As you progress a lot of that subject matter is broken down to sub-specialties. So that first year pre-med normally consists of General Bio but second year is about Microbiology, 3rd year is about Histology, etc. This is generally the way it works all throughout. That is why a lot of doctors will mention that what they use in their practice everyday probably consists of only 10% or less of what they learned in Medical School. And Medical School focused on 10% or less of the stuff they learned while in college. But that is why it is called specialty training. Training which ignores 90% of the stuff learned in Med School but focuses intensively on the specifics of their field in medicine.

Medical School teaches the basics of all medicine. First two years are class intensive where most things are learned from textbooks. The last two years are hands on just like their specialty training after medical school where every medical student gets to rotate through the different fields of medicine. So my wife actually worked with Ob-Gyns and was able to do what they did.

My wife decided to pursue Internal Medicine. Surgery is another field so my wife is not a surgeon. Internal Medicine training is 3 years. The reason we were up in Boston for four years is because after training she actually worked as a Medical Doctor (MD) for a year. We are now back in Philly so she could specialize in Cardiology, which is another 3 years. She has 1.8 years left.

Part of her training and something she focused on was smoking. Mainly because it was her big goal to have her parents stop. And they did finally quit but this only happened very recently with in the last few years.

[WrxJC]

[QUOTE=2point4DSM] If it is used to help cope with the stresses in life, maybe it would be better to get rid of or find a better way to deal with that stress. Sort of like smashing your fist through a wall when your pi55ed. I did that in HS. I ended up just having to fix that hole and deal with a bruised hand, too.[QUOTE]

Smashing your hand through a wall is not a better way to "cope" Thats not coping at all, that uncontrollable anger and you sir, should seek assistance from a NON medical doctor like all the ones in your family....maybe a shrink??

My boyfriend also used to punch things and i told him the same..seek assitance. So i'm not just judging you.

[2point4DSM]

Smashing your hand through a wall is not a better way to "cope" Thats not coping at all, that uncontrollable anger

Agreed.

So after punching a hole in the wall I realized afterwards how stupid it was. Not only did I not really feel any better but now there was a hole in the wall next to my bedroom that kept reminding me how childish I was being. And even though my parents never told me to actually fix it I felt obligated to do so just to cover up my stupidity as soon as possible. And hitting the stud portion of the wall bruised my hand a little just to add a little bit more insult to the whole ordeal.

So actually, my point was that more than fifteen years ago when I did this, it made things worse rather than making things better. So the analogy was used to show that smoking to relieve stress is not really making things better.

and you sir, should seek assistance from a NON medical doctor like all the ones in your family....maybe a shrink??

Btw, medical doctor (MD) is anyone that finishes medical school so a cardiologist is an MD. The only non-medical doctor in my family is my sister who is a pharmacist. And my dad was a psychiatrist, which is considered an MD but my wife's uncle is a psychologist, which is not an MD.

Growing up I always felt like my dad was that shrink in the "Far Side" comics that wrote, "just nuts," on his notebook as he sat with his patient (or the family). Haha.

[SexyDSM95]

I didn't see a medical professional for my anger problem. I use to punch/shove/break/slap things all the time...then the one day my hand went through a double pane glass window. I hit things no more!

[FFG]

So.. I was just talking to Barry and this topic came up. So he showed me this thread. Now, since I have had a baby.... im gonna pull rank here! :-p
Pay attention kids.... There is in no way, shape or form that QUITTING smoking will negativly effect the baby! That is the biggest crock of sh@t I have ever heard! Smoking is bad when pregnant for 2 reasons, 1- low birth rate and 2- possible asthma. I smoked when I was pregnant, although I did cut down a bit. My son was perfectly healthy. I am not saying its ok to smoke.... there is a risk there. I made my choice like anyone else has the right to. My point here is there is only a risk if you DONT quit. There are people that wont eat hotdogs because of the nitrates in them when they are pregnant. There are also people who will drink wine on occasion while pregnant..... and although most OBGYN's will say that is ok, :furious: at the people who do! FAS is way worse than risking low birth rate in my opinion. I am sure I could go on and on about this topic as many of you have done, and there were some great points made.
anyhoo.. sorry to bring up an old thread, but thats my $0.02. :wink:

[Little G]

Actually. I have a friend that when she was pregnant at the age of 24-25, and she was already a heavy smoker , the doctor told her not to stop smoking because the body is so used to it , if she stops it could mess something up with the baby..The baby turned out great..

[2point4DSM]

the doctor told her not to stop smoking because the body is so used to it , if she stops it could mess something up with the baby..

I'm sure you didn't speak to the doctor youself. Btw, she lied to you. No doctor is going to say that....

It's the easy way to get people to stop bugging them.

My wife is a doctor. I just asked her again and she goes, "didn't we talk about this already," lol.

[MuddyREX]

I thought this thread was dead.

Anyway, I stand by my statement that smoking while pregnant is downright stupid. When I see a pregnant woman smoking or drinking, I want to punch her. No matter what anyone tells you, quitting smoking will not hurt the baby.

[Little G]

I'm sure you didn't speak to the doctor youself. Btw, she lied to you. No doctor is going to say that....

It's the easy way to get people to stop bugging them.

My wife is a doctor. I just asked her again and she goes, "didn't we talk about this already," lol.

No, i didn't talk to the doctor myself but thats what she said...

[FFG]

No, i didn't talk to the doctor myself but thats what she said...
Ohhh, so then it MUST be true! :screwy:
C'mon man, dont let the dumb stick block your common sense! :-p

I went from 1 pack a day to 5 ciggs a day. Look, I will be the first to admit that I took the "selfish" road by not quitting. that is what it all boils down to here... being selfless or selfish. However, how the parents treat and raise their children when they are out of the womb is whats really important IMO. :)

[SexyDSM95]

I went from 1 pack a day to 5 ciggs a day. Look, I will be the first to admit that I took the "selfish" road by not quitting. that is what it all boils down to here... being selfless or selfish. However, how the parents treat and raise their children when they are out of the womb is whats really important IMO. :)
Well hey at least I am not the only one who "heard" a similar diagnosis from a friend. And you went from a pack a day to five. You didn't quit cold turkey...I am not saying that we test this theory out but I am also not saying that this "myth" is true/not true.

[TehWagon]

1- low birth rate
do you mean low birth weight?

I didn't see a medical professional for my anger problem. I use to punch/shove/break/slap things all the time...then the one day my hand went through a double pane glass window. I hit things no more!
just saw this- i've had to replace two windshields on two different vehicles because of anger probs... you'd think i'd have learned... i have learned to modify my anger but i still gotta get it out... :furious:

[SexyDSM95]

just saw this- i've had to replace two windshields on two different vehicles because of anger probs... you'd think i'd have learned... i have learned to modify my anger but i still gotta get it out... :furious:
Well...next time you see me look at my right hand. You shall see why I hit things no more (big ugly scar *arrghhhh*) I can no longer be a hand model :cry: haha j/k

[S4toSTI]

Personally my hand used to like walls.

[FFG]

do you mean low birth weight?


:rofl: errr yeah, I never claimed to be a good speller, and I did not proof read before I submitted! :-p

[FFG]

Well hey at least I am not the only one who "heard" a similar diagnosis from a friend. And you went from a pack a day to five. You didn't quit cold turkey...I am not saying that we test this theory out but I am also not saying that this "myth" is true/not true.
It is complete BULLSH@T to think quitting will harm the baby! I in no way agree with that, lets just get that straight. I am also 99.9% possitive any MD will laugh in your face if you ask them " will quitting smoking make my baby retarded?"

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It is complete BULLSH@T to think quitting will harm the baby! I in no way agree with that, lets just get that straight. I am also 99.9% possitive any MD will laugh in your face if you ask them " will quitting smoking make my baby retarded?"
Well as I said I am not the only person who has a friend tell them this. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed just saying what I have been told. I was also pointing out that if you were trying to use your pregnancy as an example against this you really can't because the circumstances were not the same. No one is going to have the same pregnancies and no one has the same body types. That's just straight fact, like that guy who got stabbed in the head with the knife completely through his skull. He didn't die and he is still alive, medical science has it's oddities and that was my point.

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Well as I said I am not the only person who has a friend tell them this. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed just saying what I have been told. I was also pointing out that if you were trying to use your pregnancy as an example against this you really can't because the circumstances were not the same. No one is going to have the same pregnancies and no one has the same body types. That's just straight fact, like that guy who got stabbed in the head with the knife completely through his skull. He didn't die and he is still alive, medical science has it's oddities and that was my point.
I hear where you are coming from, however I was not necissarily using myself as an example, sice I did not quit..... but my piont was that under no circumstances ever will quitting smoking negativly effect tha baby. Obviously there were other underlying issues with these people in question, as to why there babies were not healthy at birth. You can be a non smoker and have these issues as well.... but I just wanted everyone to know that not quitting is for "selfish" reasons, and will not bennefit your pregnancy. :)