What times are u H22's guys running

[Keeper1343]

Cause i think something is wrong with my motor for it not to outrun a RSX type S with I/H/E. I just had the swap done and me and my buddies RSX are dead even. Just wondering what u guys are running... o and it is in a EG coupe.

[pearl]

you should be between low 13's and low 12's. all depends on driver, mods, slicks/street tires. too many variables.

[Keeper1343]

well i don't run slicks at all... But we both have I/H/E... We do 40 rolls all day and we are dead even.

[pearl]

id look into your tune/ecu, what your shifting at, compression test, etc.

i dont see an rsx with bolt ons running a 13 second pass. i could be wrong though.

my h22 integra really moved out up top, even on turbo cars.

[Keeper1343]

I shift a 7.5K cause thats whats the redline is. I don't have cams or anything so thats what i should shift at right??? I am trying to find someone local to compression test and leakdown test my car.

[hypntcpimp]

ive seen stock rsx s run 14.5s with nuthing done, get a tune!! goodluck

[Keeper1343]

i would def get a tune if i wasn't waiting for CAMP1320 to replace my header. It was built and didn't have enough clearance so it got ****ed up... Anyone local that can do a leakdown for me???

[JerseyKid]

id look into your tune/ecu, what your shifting at, compression test, etc.

i dont see an rsx with bolt ons running a 13 second pass. i could be wrong though.

my h22 integra really moved out up top, even on turbo cars.

Thats what i was thinking.

My buddy had a bolt on LS in an EK hatch, and ran and intake an exhaust RSX type S , and they were nearly even.

[justinlansdale]

how do H22 preludes do? i know they're a bit heavier.

[Keeper1343]

its not a prelude.... its just the motor i have in my car.

[pearl]

I would say stock h22 preludes run a flat 15.0.

[Keeper1343]

What do RSX's run...14.5??? Cause like i said i am dead even with him and i should be alot quicker

[justinlansdale]

its not a prelude.... its just the motor i have in my car.

i know this, i was asking because my brother has a '97 prelude.

I would say stock h22 preludes run a flat 15.0.

oof, gotcha.

[pearl]

haha yeah, The motors that Honda builds really come alive when they aren't in their normal frame.

K20s, GSRs, ITRs, etc really move out in cars that are even just a little bit lighter :-)

[Keeper1343]

you didn't even mention h22 in the list.. haha

And by the way.. A little update cause i am trying to find my problem.... compression was exactly 230 across the board. I was impressed

[pearl]

Oops lol.
I had an h22 in my integra, it moved out. It probably wasn't as fast as a Civic with a h22 swap though.

If your compression is fine you may have to look at a tune, or launching/driving better. If you're getting beat up top (1/8 - 1/4), then something is wrong with your motor.
If you are pausing between shifts (that H22 transmission sucks, I know) you are losing valuable time. I have a feeling that this might be your problem.

[Keeper1343]

i am losing power somewhere... i have to get a vacuum gauge from somewhere. I don't feel like buying one cause i will never use it again. if anyone in the area would like to help me in my mission plz feel free to PM me. I live in Levittown.

Tranny is not the problem.... its the motor. But its not the bottom end. I think it just might be a bad vacuum leak cause the 02 sensor to trip and run rich

[pearl]

Visit someone who can street tune you, that is your best bet.
They will also tell you if you have a vacuum leak, and your car will feel 10x better and get much better gas mileage with a tune. :)

[Keeper1343]

right now i can't really do that due to the fact that my header exactly in the best shape. Its got to be something else. I know i have a vac leak but i can't find it.

[underpressure02]

right now i can't really do that due to the fact that my header exactly in the best shape. Its got to be something else. I know i have a vac leak but i can't find it.

If you are so convinced you have a vac leak. Get a can of starting fluid and spray it around the vac lines. When the car revs up you found your leak. Not hard to do.

There are a bunch of guys in our club that have rsx type s and run pretty fast for just i/h/e.

[Keeper1343]

i tried the starter fluid and i couldn't find it... I want to get a vac gauge to be more accurate

[S.Milone]

We could help you out. We have the proper equipment to find vacuum leaks. (Smoke machines, ETC.) We can also get it on the dyno and make sure your A/F are good. Pm me or Vince@r/ttuning. You can also call 215-855-5565 or aim me sam822000

[Action Park]

you should be between low 13's and low 12's. all depends on driver, mods, slicks/street tires. too many variables.
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Bollocks, maybe in a completely gutted eg on slicks with a stock h22. A stockish h22 in an eg should trap around 100 which is around where a stock s2000 is at. An rsx with the mods your buudy has should be around, I dunno, 95 or so. So then, the ardent bench racer would say that you should have a SLIGHT edge with a fresh h.
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[Cardriverx]

If you really have that big of a vac leak, it would be very noticable in that your idle would be all screwey.. is yours?

[pearl]

I seem to disagree, I've seen Type R swaps in civics with full interior and street tires trap at 100, so I assume a h22 in the same car will trap higher.

[Keeper1343]

sometimes when i start my car up ( even its already warmed up) the idle surges 4 times or so then stops.... kinda wierd but i would guess its vac leak

[pearl]

what ecu are you running?

[Keeper1343]

GSR computer..... Update. Just ran a vacuum test on it and it was holding 22psi. So that means there is no vacuum leak right???

[Cardriverx]

GSR computer..... Update. Just ran a vacuum test on it and it was holding 22psi. So that means there is no vacuum leak right???

no thats pretty darn good, as long as its a stable 22 (not PSI but in/hg). AKA no fluxuation (spelling)

[AMF Racing]

my rsx with full interior and i/rh/e/reflash went 13.5@102mph. so even with your motor running right i think your at about where you should be. rsx's with simple bolt ons trap over 100mph without a problem. i have run a white h22 eg hatch with my car b4 my cams and we were pretty much dead even as well.

[Action Park]

my rsx with full interior and i/rh/e/reflash went 13.5@102mph. so even with your motor running right i think your at about where you should be. rsx's with simple bolt ons trap over 100mph without a problem. i have run a white h22 eg hatch with my car b4 my cams and we were pretty much dead even as well.
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Wow, not shabby. Your contribution should satisfy the op's question. The most important thing is if the fun level of the car is satisfactory. I've always felt that one should build a car for fun rather than for a number or whether it's faster than another. But from the looks of it, the h22 in question seems to be in proper working order.
Pearl- An h22 is rated only 6hp higher than a b18c5.
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[pearl]

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Pearl- An h22 is rated only 6hp higher than a b18c5.
I see for a b18c5 rated at 189 whp, and the h22 rated at 200-220 whp.

A USDM H22 produced 167 ft lbs @ 5500RPM, while the a Type-R produced 127 ft lbs at 7800RPM.


Even if it is almost 11 horsepower more than a Type R swap, you produce torque faster and make almost 40 ft lbs of torque MORE with the H22 swap. Stock.

[sherwood]

pwned.

[Vince@R/TTuning]

I would say the two are pretty even and it seems that your car is running pretty good, keep in mind that the rsx-s is also a six speed with a lil closer gear ratios so in the lower gears it will pull a lil better then your car. also there is alot of tuning that can be done with the h22 that helps alot with low end power and vtec transistion points.

and as far the B18c5 and the H22 the B18c5 is way superior and is a lil under rated where the h22 is a lil over rated(as far as power wise) i probaly have dynoed 20-30 h22 and they all dyno at 175-190whp depending on what mods and then when you tune them you can get over 200whp but i have never seen one dyno close to 220 with out some pretty moderate work(cams,hondata, good header...not dc sports) where as i have had bone stock type r's dyno at 185whp and they also rev to about 1200 rpm higher then the h22

so if your interested in making more power im sure we can help...

[pearl]

how about torque numbers?

[Vince@R/TTuning]

well the h22 does make a bit more torque at aroud 150-160 where as the B18C5 make 125-130 but also the b18c5 makes pretty even tourque from 3k-8k then slighlty drops off where as the h22 make its peak torque only when vtec kicks in and then dies off pretty quickly(all stock ecu numbers of course)

[xenocron]

GSR computer..... Update. Just ran a vacuum test on it and it was holding 22psi. So that means there is no vacuum leak right???

You cannot run a GSR (P72) ECU on a H22 and not expect to be slower. You are running .4 L more displacement and are running a MUCH different timing map than you should be.

I've tuned a couple relatively stock H's with Crome/eCtune to 190-210 wheel depending on the mods.

1st, get a Skunk2 PRO Series Intake manifold...this will help you a lot.

Second, make sure you are running a cold air intake and a free flowing exhaust (at least 2.5" on the H motors) with a good header.

Third, get rid of that stock computer, have it chipped and get it tuned...if you are anywhere close to 07456 zip, give me a call. Pearl can certainly vouch that I can help you you (i hope) :)

[Keeper1343]

hey vince I called today to see when I could come in to see whats up with me car... give me PM of when you would like me to swing by and let you look over things. Thanks. I have to wait to get some other stuff done first before i dyno. As of right now i have to get my new rim, change my front lower control arms because the bushings are shot, And i have reposition and remount a new shifter with new cables. So i have quite a bit of work to do before dyno. But i can still come by.

Anyway back to the problem... I thought bone stock h22's run high 13's without a tune or chip???

[pearl]

Pearl can certainly vouch that I can help you you (i hope) :)
I still praise your name to anyone who needs ECUs/tunes :)

[Keeper1343]

that far as hell from me haha. i live near philly. Thanks for the offer though

[Vince@R/TTuning]

its cool i got your message i will call ya tommorow...we been pretty busy here but we will fit ya in...

[Keeper1343]

wanna see the list so far: Reverse lights don't work, front corner lense bulb socket needs to be rewired, both window regs, sun roof is leaking ( i am fixing this) shifter relocation, new header, tune, what else hmmmmm im sure i will be adding to the list. ha

[xenocron]

I still praise your name to anyone who needs ECUs/tunes :)

Thanks :)

I think I need to sell the Teg and buy a Suby...I'm getting sick of the same old cars, need a change :)

Keeper, good luck...too bad you werent closer, I'm sure Vince will take care of you though ;)

[Keeper1343]

Thanks man... my car has gotten to the point where i don't have enough time or patience to do it. I would rather pay someone to do now. Between the electrical work, suspension work, and just getting it back into good shape is draining me

[Action Park]

I see for a b18c5 rated at 189 whp, and the h22 rated at 200-220 whp.

A USDM H22 produced 167 ft lbs @ 5500RPM, while the a Type-R produced 127 ft lbs at 7800RPM.


Even if it is almost 11 horsepower more than a Type R swap, you produce torque faster and make almost 40 ft lbs of torque MORE with the H22 swap. Stock.
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Car companies advertise their engines at flywheel hp, not whp. h22's were first rated at 195@7000(156lb-ft@5250) btw. Some obviously under-rate(b18c5>h22) and vice-versa. Unless a car is geared improperly, a torque number is worthless for determining how quick a car will be. Dynos measure torque and hp is determined by it's relation to rpm. A torque number is meaningless unless referenced to rpm. C'mon you Honda people should know this, people are always saying how torqueless honda engines are.
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[Keeper1343]

torque really isn't a big deal... It gets you started then horsepower is all you need. Why do you thing the indy cars have like 80lbs of torque and 700 HP

[Keeper1343]

wanna see the list so far: Reverse lights don't work, front corner lense bulb socket needs to be rewired, both window regs, sun roof is leaking ( i am fixing this) shifter relocation, new header, tune, what else hmmmmm im sure i will be adding to the list. ha


Like i said.... forgot i need a new master Cyl. haha

And just for some guys who are getting swaps done... MAke sure your mechanic puts all the bolts in on ur clutch pedal assembly. Mine forgot to put one all the way at the top and was causing alot of flex in the pedal area. I think that is what cause my master to go bcause the motion was not straight in and out so it wore out the part. When i put the bolt in, the whole master cly needed to be readjusted.

[pearl]

ugh, this is driving me nuts.

heres a stock JDM H22 dyno sheet:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/crxhybrid85/dyno.jpg
JDM H22 swapped integras crack quarter mile times in the high 13s, low 14s easily on street tires, and trap near 100-105 MPH.

A stock Type R dyno sheet:
http://www.ek9.org/forum/attachments/honda-integra-type-r/208d1168965313-headers-dyno-results-stock-integra-type-r-engine-stock.gif

I've been searching for stock Type R times, and i keep coming back to 14.5-15.0 @ 93-95 MPH.

Also, how can you say that torque is meaningless? The reason indy cars dont rely that torque is because the cars are hardly below 10,000 RPMs.

I made more torque in my turbo single-cam than any of those dyno sheets (175 ft lbs) and ran deep into the 13's with it. I only made 185 whp. I trapped at 105 MPH.

The Type R barely hits 180whp. Are you saying that 5 more horses = +5MPH trap speed? I highly doubt it.


175whp / 135 tq (stock B18C5) < 180 whp/ 156 tq (JDM H22)

So in theory, the car with the most torque and horsepower (disregarding driver, curb weight, tires, track prep, temperature, etc) will win the race.

ps.

I hope you fix your car, and realize your car will be faster with the H22 swap, instead of the Type R swap.

[Keeper1343]

i already have the h22 swap. Type R swap is way over rated for the price. Just take a GSR block and a B16 head and you basically have a Type R with little modification

[xenocron]

Horsepower is arbitrary...its a made up number. The only numbers that do matter are torque...

HP = (Torque * RPM) / 5252

The farther you carry torque in your powerband the more horsepower you will make.

Forget PEAK numbers too...look at Torque Averages and area UNDER the torque curve. Who ever has more area under the curve at the same weight wins...ALWAYS.

[Accord]

ok here is the break down for u . I love h series h and f is the only way for me . I had an h23 in my accord and beat every single rsx type s that ever pulled up next to me all i had was the same bolt on as u . You and i both know that the h22 has alot more power then the h23 . Your h22 in ur eg should move very well there shouldnt be any compition between you and a rsx type s . If u wanna run great u might want to look into the famous h2b setup there are stock h22 with b series transmissions doin 12.1 in dc bodys (integra 94+) there are also h2b running in 11's in da's (89-93 integra) and civic . If you would like ill look into the car for you just give me a pm




MY MAIN QUESTION FOR U THAT NOONE HERE ASKED AND DETERMAINS ALOT IS WHAT TRANSMISSION ARE U RUNNING . IF U ARE RUNNING AN F22 TRANNY THEY HAVE LONGER GEARS WHICH ISNT GOOD FOR AN ALL MOTOR H22

[Action Park]

ugh, this is driving me nuts.

heres a stock JDM H22 dyno sheet:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/crxhybrid85/dyno.jpg
JDM H22 swapped integras crack quarter mile times in the high 13s, low 14s easily on street tires, and trap near 100-105 MPH.

A stock Type R dyno sheet:
http://www.ek9.org/forum/attachments/honda-integra-type-r/208d1168965313-headers-dyno-results-stock-integra-type-r-engine-stock.gif

I've been searching for stock Type R times, and i keep coming back to 14.5-15.0 @ 93-95 MPH.

Also, how can you say that torque is meaningless? The reason indy cars dont rely that torque is because the cars are hardly below 10,000 RPMs.

I made more torque in my turbo single-cam than any of those dyno sheets (175 ft lbs) and ran deep into the 13's with it. I only made 185 whp. I trapped at 105 MPH.

The Type R barely hits 180whp. Are you saying that 5 more horses = +5MPH trap speed? I highly doubt it.


175whp / 135 tq (stock B18C5) < 180 whp/ 156 tq (JDM H22)

So in theory, the car with the most torque and horsepower (disregarding driver, curb weight, tires, track prep, temperature, etc) will win the race.

ps.

I hope you fix your car, and realize your car will be faster with the H22 swap, instead of the Type R swap.
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Addressing the issues. I blew apart an h22 dc2 back when I was trapping 96(pig rich 8psi), so I'm a little skeptical of these 100-105 trapping stock h22 teggys you speak of though I'm open to it. More than one bone stock type-r teggy has hit high 13's. There seems to be a higher abundance of "factory freak" b-18c5's than h22's.
In all honesty(I do'nt like to cause too many issues), but you have to be rather ignorant to think that a torque number has any reference to how quick a car will be without relation to rpm's. I have no idea why people act as if they are 2 different numbers; hp is based off torque and will always cross at 5252 rpm's. It's a load of crap to say that a more torquey car will be faster than the same car with the same hp. In a drag race, a properly geared and launched car will always be up on it's powerband. When estimating 1/4 mile times do you see any logical person using torque numbers? Um, no. Same goes for around a race track. The area under the curve only comes into play for scooting about town. A high torque rated auto might feel faster, but in a race, it's always hp that matters.
As far as your last paragraph is concerned, I hope the op is satified with the car in the long run as well, but I do'nt think he was considering a type-r swap.If I had the choice between the 2 in an eg, I'd go with the c5 for all-motor or nitrous and the h22 for boost. FWIW, the 2 people I know who did h22 swaps in eg's were'nt particularly impressed from my recollection. Thats not to say it is'nt a good motor, I never said that. Take care.
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[Keeper1343]

why would you want to boost a H22 over a type R???? The type R would last alot longer because the H22 has diff sleeves. But i have to say.. It doesn't take alot of psi to reach the 300 mark on a H22

[pearl]

i give up, good luck.

[Keeper1343]

whats that supposed to mean?

[Action Park]

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[Vince@R/TTuning]

The original discussion is about a swaped h22 EG against a RSX Type S. Not being Concided(cause thats not my style) but i have probaly driven more different Hondas then anyone else on here... between Dyno tuning and the amount of swaps we have done, and the amount of cars that come through the shop. So when you he says he is even with a RSX type S with some bolt ons...i believe it. They both make around the same power, the EG is a lil lighter, but the RSX has shorter gears(which i did mention earlier)and also the RSX is reving a 1000 RPM's longer (at least) but im sure there is more to improve on with the H22 so we will get Keeper in the shop and see whats goin on.

And as far as the motor arguement... if you look at the H22 dynosheet, which im sorry but the H22 has the worst torque and power curve of any of the hondas(well i havent dynoed any Oddessy's so I cant be 100% sure) But it holds its max torque for about 10rpms and the falls off hard, like i was saying earlier. Then look at the B18c5, one of the best power and torque curves of any stock vehicle. Look how flat the torque is and how the power never really drops off. So as far as the discussion between a B18C5 and a H22 in my opinion(and experience) there is no comparision. So dont get me wrong the H22 makes decent power and feels good but it isnt a B18C5...

[SovXietday]

(well i havent dynoed any Oddessy's so I cant be 100% sure) .

Guess I need to bring my grandparents Oddessy by then.:lol:

<-- Not a fan of the H22. Heads don't flow well, sleeves suck, trannies blow. The make power with their displacement, honestly I'd rather have a GSR over that engine any day. More balanced higher potential engines.

[Nors]

Get a bseries trans, they make adapter kits. H22 trans has the way longer gears then bseries. Also a Euro-R intake manifold would be a good investment as well.

[Keeper1343]

Get a bseries trans, they make adapter kits. H22 trans has the way longer gears then bseries. Also a Euro-R intake manifold would be a good investment as well.

I have heard good things of the Euro R but no proof to back it up... I would def go with a H2B kit if i had the money right now.

[Hondata8600]

my rsx with full interior and i/rh/e/reflash went 13.5@102mph. so even with your motor running right i think your at about where you should be. rsx's with simple bolt ons trap over 100mph without a problem. i have run a white h22 eg hatch with my car b4 my cams and we were pretty much dead even as well.

Agreed. I can hang with or beat swapped hatchs no problem.

I have a reflashed '05 type-s though :mrgreen:

RSX's are in the mid to high 13's easy with kpro/reflash + bolt on's and right driver.

[ImportDPS]

10.42@139mph with full leather interior and 12" sub.

589HP
460FT lbs

H22 88MM Sleeved by ERL
Wiseco Pistons
Manley Rods
Supertech Valve Springs/Retainers
Factory JDM Cams
Cometic HG
Golden Eagle IM
Edelbrock 70mm tb
clutchmasters twin disk
precision 1000's
cpr fuel pump and filter
peakboost gt35 turbo kit with precision 750hp intercooler upgrade.
tial 44mm wg
tial bov
sakura motorsports ems system
msd ignition setup
92 accord tranny
dss 2.9 axles

[Action Park]

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^Thats all good and well, sounds like a hoot but I fail to see the relevance to the (admitingly stagnant) topic. If you're looking for a cookie, I do have a bunch but I'm keeping them to myself:-p. Matter of fact, I'll go grab one right now. Just joshin' about.
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[juice2boost@hot]

put h22 in a eg and its outtie

[K20EF9]

most people covered everything

a type s with i/h/e kpro can go mid 13s on slicks

get your **** tuned