reply to comment in vick thread

[Scapegoat]

Not going to pull a topic off-topic.

i just think sometimes you argue a bit much scapegoat. Just like in the innocent supra driver thread, but that is another story...


People don't agree with my opinions so why not start calling names and arguing with me that my opinion is incorrect or the feelings I have about a topic are incorrect. :roll:

People don't agree with me, or don't know of where I'm coming from that sway my opinion on some matters. So one person ends up jumping on me for my opinion or takes what I said personally and they start something that others jump in on.

So now whenever I voice my opinion that doesn't match the popular vote I get **** for it AND I get bitched at for arguing when I started nothing.

Its like the whole cleanneon thing, the popular kids pick on him so it must be the cool thing to do. childish...

If you all want to keep arguing over me voicing my opinion you guys can go ahead right here.

Troll, you may want to sticky this so the next time I voice my opinion so all the kiddies know where to go to bitch about it :roll:

[dancemf666]

IBTL lol.

[Scapegoat]

IBTL lol.

I'd be interested to know what forum rules this breaks at this point?

I created a new thread so the original wouldn't get taken over by the antics that are eventually going to get this thread locked... :lol:

[~Brian~]

You honestly care so much about what people say about you online that you felt the need to post a thread calling them out about it? :roll:

[Scapegoat]

You honestly care so much about what people say about you online that you felt the need to post a thread calling them out about it? :roll:

I expected this type of typical response as well :roll:

I'm honestly just tired of topics getting dragged off-topic because people, for some reason, can't stand when I voice my opinion about the topic itself. And its usually a waste of everyones time because Troll deletes the pots

At least one person had the decency to threaten me via PM instead of in the topic :lol:

[cburwell]

Threats over the internet! Two thumbs up!

I honestly thinks some people don't have the mental capacity to see the other side of things. That or they don't want to take the time to read a post a few more times and maybe try to see where the other person is coming from. It's ok to disagree with someone without becoming angry, that's called a discussion.

I'm probably just as bad as Scapegoat though, since I seem to agree with the majority of the stuff you post here.

[GyrlSpeedRT]

You're online, period. Actually, that's life. One person says something that everyone may not agree with and as soon as someone comments about it, everyone comes out of the woodwork and gang up. Didn't read the Vick post so I'm commenting in general. Someone says something and here come the followers. Say your part and if no one agrees, 'f' them and don't even worry about it any more. They'll look like fools if they keep rehashing old stuff.

[TGilb2007]

I expected this type of typical response as well :roll:

I'm honestly just tired of topics getting dragged off-topic because people, for some reason, can't stand when I voice my opinion about the topic itself. And its usually a waste of everyones time because Troll deletes the pots

At least one person had the decency to threaten me via PM instead of in the topic :lol:

Some people cant accept difference of opinion, and dont know how to react to it. Granted, I dont always agree with Scapegoat, and others on TST..... but there are ways to INTELLIGENTLY bring this to debate, and not just bicker over the "interwebs"


As for the other comments of IBTL..... we will see.

[whitezenki]

Youre opinion sucks.

So does everyone elses.

Everyone else quit bitchin, change your tampon, and shut the **** up.

I dont come here to hear people bitch about other's opinions.

And feed Vick to some pitbulls, I think thats what we should do.

Cry about my opinion, i dare ya.

[Scapegoat]

You're online, period. Actually, that's life. One person says something that everyone may not agree with and as soon as someone comments about it, everyone comes out of the woodwork and gang up. Didn't read the Vick post so I'm commenting in general. Someone says something and here come the followers. Say your part and if no one agrees, 'f' them and don't even worry about it any more. They'll look like fools if they keep rehashing old stuff.

that's usually how I play things. I actually stopped looking in that supra guy thread, lol

I only posted this here because I was told I ruined the vick thread cause I don't agree that 23 months is a fair prison term for the crime then I was told I argue too much lol. I didn't want to drag that thread off topic.

[Scapegoat]

Threats over the internet! Two thumbs up!

I honestly thinks some people don't have the mental capacity to see the other side of things. That or they don't want to take the time to read a post a few more times and maybe try to see where the other person is coming from. It's ok to disagree with someone without becoming angry, that's called a discussion.

I'm probably just as bad as Scapegoat though, since I seem to agree with the majority of the stuff you post here.

we're horrible people :cry:

[Scapegoat]

Some people cant accept difference of opinion, and dont know how to react to it. Granted, I dont always agree with Scapegoat, and others on TST..... but there are ways to INTELLIGENTLY bring this to debate, and not just bicker over the "interwebs"


As for the other comments of IBTL..... we will see.

There are plenty of ways to intelligently debate opinions. Those ways don't normally reach the "submit reply" button... I get the "you're a douchebag" and "you're opinion doesn't matter cause it differs than everyone elses" etc.

I'm just tired of the immature debates over my opinions. No one backs up their opinion of my opinion with a intelligently created and well thought out statement. And everyone jumps on the "you suck ibtl hahaha" band wagon.

I love a good mature debate, and I've had a few on here. But like I said, most of the time... not so much...

I do appreciate the mature replies to this thread :thumbup: it honestly isn't entirely expected

[Scapegoat]

Youre opinion sucks.

So does everyone elses.

Everyone else quit bitchin, change your tampon, and shut the **** up.

I dont come here to hear people bitch about other's opinions.

And feed Vick to some pitbulls, I think thats what we should do.

Cry about my opinion, i dare ya.

smother him in raw beef and let them go to town...

[ThePrimerSuspect]

i didnt read the vick post either, but since i agree with scapegoat 99% of the time then i can safely say that i agree with him here.

[whitezenki]

my response is immature, because im not debating you.

Just having fun.

If I was debating you, I would be mature about it.

I only check the Slammed Cars thread now though, so my debating and arguing days are gone.

Definitly feed him to some pits tho.

[Scapegoat]

my response is immature, because im not debating you.

Just having fun.

If I was debating you, I would be mature about it.

I only check the Slammed Cars thread now though, so my debating and arguing days are gone.

Definitly feed him to some pits tho.

never said you were debating me :)

I'm just saying I agree with you about feeding him to some dogs... preferably the ones he trained :) but we can discuss that in the vick thread

[whitezenki]

Haha i know, im just stating why i was immature.

I agree with you, no debating at all.

I just know what you mean that you cant get mature responses when someone is debating on here.

[Scapegoat]

so when are we gonna have the "I don't mind scapegoat" meet? lol

[ozthunder]

I agree with you completely dude..

I have a few perturbations myself:

1. Political correctness. If you like it, you're a ****sexual (take that, PC police). Bottom-line. Political correctness is for those too sheltered from the reality of life to actual understand what in the hell is going on.
2. The truth hurts. If you buy a silly car and have silly ideas for it, you'll get called on it. Sure, what you do with your money is, in the end, your own business. But let's get real here...not all monetary decisions are in the best interests, are they?
3. The fact that everyone loves getting on CleanNeon's **** then cry when something is hurled towards them is utterly laughable, and indicative of a 4th grade intellect (which is not very surprising).
4. Sometimes people hate perspectives other then their own. By sometimes, I mean 99% of the time. People get so "butt-hurt" over various conflicting points that they take it personally and then start getting personal in their own right, and then you'll see all hell break loose.
5. Swear filters for the mother****ing LOSS.

[dancemf666]

I agree with the swear filters just cause we are all adults and who give a ****.lol.
But other than that its the net I just ignore the BS.

[ozthunder]

Yes, but the internet is so serious of a business, you have no idea. Take a peak at srtsyndicate, that'll give you quite a good insight into how serious people take this ****.

[dragonfly2k3]

rofl, woot. my first dedicated thread. haha. I joined later than prob 90% of the currently active users. and probs IBTLol

[ozthunder]

If this gets locked that'll be a stupid decision. It's in off topic, and it's talking about arguing. Why would it get locked?!

Maybe in China it'd get locked.

[dragonfly2k3]

:bigeek: how the hell am i ruining threads you little choad monger...

Just because you think its a fair sentence, doesn't mean others will. I for one am not one of those that agree with you. On top of that, I was asked why I didn't think it was fair. And there is at least on other person in this thread who shares the same opinion as i do that vick didn't get enough of a sentence for his crime.


this in response to the thing about calling names. I simply was being d1ckish about my reply, you were the first one to call a name. Just for the record.

[Scapegoat]

the thread isn't dedicated to you...

[Jeffros Spec V]

here is my view on things since there is now a tread.

IMO, it seems like you take the opposite opinion as everybody else and then argue and argue and argue that your point is the correct one, and in my opinion YOU don't see other peoples opinions or take them for what they are worth. But like posted before me this is the internet.

[zerioustt]

here is my view on things since there is now a tread.

IMO, it seems like you take the opposite opinion as everybody else and then argue and argue and argue that your point is the correct one, and in my opinion YOU don't see other peoples opinions or take them for what they are worth. But like posted before me this is the internet.

werd...

[jdm free]

here is my view on things since there is now a tread.

IMO, it seems like you take the opposite opinion as everybody else and then argue and argue and argue that your point is the correct one, and in my opinion YOU don't see other peoples opinions or take them for what they are worth. But like posted before me this is the internet.
werd...


double werd

i definitely have to agree it seems that no matter what topic that comes up, i might agree wit u sometimes, but u always disagree wit what evry1 else has to say no matter what they are talkin about

[Scapegoat]

here is my view on things since there is now a tread.

IMO, it seems like you take the opposite opinion as everybody else and then argue and argue and argue that your point is the correct one, and in my opinion YOU don't see other peoples opinions or take them for what they are worth. But like posted before me this is the internet.

as I said, my opinion usually isn't the same as the masses. Or at least I'm more willing to voice my opinion if it is different.

Of which I'm usually "attacked" for it. So yeah, I'm going to argue my point. But in general I try to form a complete and intelligent thought before hitting submit in hopes that most people would get the hint that this is a discussion board. Instead I usually get more grief. I'm usually told to keep my opinion to myself, or my opinion doesn't matter, etc.

I realize what an opinion is... some people don't. I think I do a pretty good job of seeing other's opinions... I don't think I've ever blatantly come out said "I'm right and you're wrong". Usually, if someone is being civil, I'll agree with certain points of theres.



For the record I enjoyed the religious discussion we had in the "tst whatever" thread that didn't degrade. :)

[Scapegoat]

double werd

i definitely have to agree it seems that no matter what topic that comes up, i might agree wit u sometimes, but u always disagree wit what evry1 else has to say no matter what they are talkin about

devils advocate is a painful job :lol:

I don't disagree with everyone in every thread about every discussion...

Maybe I am usually the first in a thread to voice a disagreeance. So I guess I'm sorry?

[~Brian~]

oh christ, who the **** cares about any of this. You were insulted by somebody with e-muscles. Get over it and move on.

[Scapegoat]

oh christ, who the **** cares about any of this. You were insulted by somebody with e-muscles. Get over it and move on.

you really care enough to come in and read the thread AND reply don't ya?

I'm sorry we've upset you :o

[~Brian~]

actually i didn't read any of your posts. I replied because I was shocked that this crap is still going for two pages.

[BlackTypeR]

Arguing on the internet should be a new event at the special olympics

[Kevin]

here is my view on things since there is now a tread.

IMO, it seems like you take the opposite opinion as everybody else and then argue and argue and argue that your point is the correct one, and in my opinion YOU don't see other peoples opinions or take them for what they are worth. But like posted before me this is the internet.

werd...

double werd

Triple werd.

[HatchSurfer3]

I'm sorry we've upset you :o

I think thats a humorous statement considering you started a thread because you were upset. Im not being mean or anything here, I just think its funny that you're saying that when you started this thread.

Triple werd.

Quadruple werd

[SovXietday]

as I said, my opinion usually isn't the same as the masses. Or at least I'm more willing to voice my opinion if it is different.

You tend to be the "blame the victim" type of person. If something ****ty happens to someone, you're generally the first person to come in and say something along the lines of "well they shouldn't have been there" or "they shouldn't have been doing that." This annoys the **** out of me.

Also, there are times when you should share your opinion and other times when you should keep your opinion to yourself. Like the RIP Blair thread (Boy who died driving his Cobra). Really, no one cares about your opinion in a situation like that, all you did was upset people.

I can respect an opinion, but are you really so off base with reality that everything you say and believe comes out of left field? You fight tooth and nail for your side of the arguement and often leave me wondering where you come up with this ****.

On that note, I do agree with you from time to time. You seem to have a solid head on your shoulders, but man sometimes the things you say drive me up a wall. I don't know, it may just be the internet, but you tend to come off as a bickering pregnant house-wife or something.:confused:

[james_ls]

http://innerslacker.com/images/argue091204.jpg

[martang]

Damn it seems like everyone is against scapegoat

[dragonfly2k3]

http://innerslacker.com/images/argue091204.jpg



way old. ha. Also, what did you expect, you user name is scapegoat. Seriously though, people differ in opinions, people give me **** all the time for my ideas, if you cant deal with it dont post the ideas. Easy as pie

[sherwood]

what year did u guys graduate high school?....and why didn't you leave the drama there?

[TROLL]

i could care less about arguing... my big thing is respect. if you can form a decent argument and do it without personally attacking anyone, then i encourage it... unfortunately thats not always how it goes down. i've got nothing against the 'debaters' and the 'opinionated' people on the forum... it keeps things interesting, as long as those discussions can carry on respectfully (like this one so far).

[9 Ball]

... But in general I try to form a complete and intelligent thought before hitting submit in hopes that most people would get the hint that this is a discussion board.

... I realize what an opinion is... some people don't. I think I do a pretty good job of seeing other's opinions...

Are you being serious?

- Following quotes taken from the thread: Top 100 Cars by Top Gear -

Exactly. I like Top Gear but you can’t take this list seriously at all. No other automobile journal/magazine/show would put the Jag at the top of a list spanning 100 cars and ahead of the Ferrari F40.

Here’s something a little better: EVO Magazine’s 100 issue featuring 10 greatest driver‘s cars (via on line poll.)

In no particular order:

Bugatti Veyron
Pagani Zonda C12S
Porsche 997 GT3
Lancia Integrale
McLaren F1
Skyline R34 GT-R
Integra Type-R
Honda NSX-R
Ferrari F40
Porsche 911 2.7 RS

and since opinions are a lot like assholes...

this list is obviously baised due to it being an EVO magazine, so it is biased towards the import crowd. You do the same poll in Mustang magazine you're gonna be getting Shelby's, Roush's, vettes, cameros, gto's, etc.

Arguing over these lists is as pointless as it gets. Opinions are opinions. And not fact based like "fastest car" "lowest ride height"

I’m not sure how to take you initial comment so I’ll leave it at that.

This is not “an EVO” magazine as in Mitsubishi Evo, rather EVO as in Evolved (which features cars from the U.S., Europe, and Japan.) So it’s biased to anyone who enjoys all cars from all three continents. Point I was making is this list was a little more "focused" rather than simply stating “100 best cars by Top Gear” and using Clarkson as our guide. And since this is pure entertainment, why would anyone be arguing over this?

Had you left out the first eight words in your reply, you actually may have come off as being mature. But more often than not, this is typically the type of comment I (and most people that have been on here for some time) have come to expect from you. That, what you see there was the “nicest” reply I could think of at the time. Had you said something silly like that to me, face to face, eye to eye, (which I highly doubt) my response would have been a little different. If you’re going to make a comment to which you know you’d never say to someone face to face, it’s probably not a good idea to post it up on-line either.

No one is perfect (Lord knows I’m not and have been incorrect on certain issues), however, comments like that are simply unnecessary. For future reference, clean it up.

[05GT]

Damn, I go and get sick, and miss a 1/2 day worth of fun posting lol.

Seriously, Scape, more often times then not, I agree with you on many many things.

I'm sorry but this site if full of young, (not saying I'm old) immature people who cannot handle a different perspective to an arguement. I know I have my share of stupid comments, but when you get down to it, I've had plenty of mature, intelligent discussions, and then inevitably someone comes in, can't grasp the topic on hand, so resorts to name calling and whatnot.

I don't know how many times since I've been a memeber, have people gotten on my case because I'll state something that is opposite to "majority". But I keep on doing it because that's me, and I'm not going to conform just because 80% of the people on this site can't handle a harsher, more blunt view to the topics on hand.

It's like the transexual thread that went down a few months ago. I made one, perhaps stupid post, where I was just trying to get arise out of someone, but then the thread continued for I dunno 10 pages of intelligent discussions where I explained my beliefs, and so did others, including Cleanneon. Then as I stated above, a certain memeber here comes in, picks out my very 1st comment some 10 pages prior, and starts a bash war.

That's the typical high school girl mentality on this forum.

I've learned to deal with it...which is also why you don't see me posting as much anymore.

[~Brian~]

Damn it seems like everyone is against scapegoat

Personally I don't have problem with him. I just don't see the point posting a thread like this because all your gonna do is get flammed then be even more pissed off.

[Scapegoat]

Personally I don't have problem with him. I just don't see the point posting a thread like this because all your gonna do is get flammed then be even more pissed off.

Not true. I'm not the type to get hurt over something like this. I started the thread, I'll deal with the comments. Its not like most of whats been said wasn't an expected response. :thumbup:

The reason I got annoyed enough in the first place to throw this thread up was because I was getting flack about an opinion in the vick thread. Which really didn't make any sense because I voiced an opinion that 23 months wasn't enough time.... ooo... horrible I know... :roll:

This thread is amusing to me. And to be honest, I'm very happy with the way its turned out. I'm getting more mature responses here than I normally get :)

[Scapegoat]

Are you being serious?

- Following quotes taken from the thread: Top 100 Cars by Top Gear -







Had you left out the first eight words in your reply, you actually may have come off as being mature. But more often than not, this is typically the type of comment I (and most people that have been on here for some time) have come to expect from you. That, what you see there was the “nicest” reply I could think of at the time. Had you said something silly like that to me, face to face, eye to eye, (which I highly doubt) my response would have been a little different. If you’re going to make a comment to which you know you’d never say to someone face to face, it’s probably not a good idea to post it up on-line either.

No one is perfect (Lord knows I’m not and have been incorrect on certain issues), however, comments like that are simply unnecessary. For future reference, clean it up.

Once again another kiddy taking things personally...

I'm not sure if it was obvious from my post in that thread (the one you copied) but not once did I say anything to or about you or your opinion. I referenced the magazine for one, and for two I referenced incorrectly because I didn't know that the EVO magazine wasn't devoted to the Mitsu Evo.

And you're calling my post immature? I'm not quite sure what you would have done in person if I said "Since the EVO magazine is biased towards evo's, yeah you're gonna get a list like that..." would you have kicked my ass big boy?

And I must apologize for using a common phrase thrown around here... I'll be sure never to use it again.

but seriously... just how long has that post been upsetting to you?

you crack me up, thanks for the laugh during my morning coffee

[9 Ball]

Once again another kiddy taking things personally...

I'm not sure if it was obvious from my post in that thread (the one you copied) but not once did I say anything to or about you or your opinion. I referenced the magazine for one, and for two I referenced incorrectly because I didn't know that the EVO magazine wasn't devoted to the Mitsu Evo.

And you're calling my post immature? I'm not quite sure what you would have done in person if I said "Since the EVO magazine is biased towards evo's, yeah you're gonna get a list like that..." would you have kicked my ass big boy?

And I must apologize for using a common phrase thrown around here... I'll be sure never to use it again.

but seriously... just how long has that post been upsetting to you?

you crack me up, thanks for the laugh during my morning coffee

It’s an example of multiple times where you are either insulting or short with people online. That’s not something we need on this site. It wouldn’t take much to flip through your replies to fine more. And look at your response, the first thing you debate is the EVO magazine part which isn’t the point… it’s the first eight letters. And then one sentence about the actual comment I’m referring too. You want to debate car stuff that’s fine, leave the silly remarks for another forum. It’s no skin off my back because quite frankly that’s what you're known for. Most of the “regulars” that have been here since day one are getting a little annoyed with stuff like that and in fact, Troll has been banning folks for that same reason (which I applaud.) If you want to be a part of what’s going on and actually contribute something positive, that’s cool… if not, save it for the other forums.

[Scapegoat]

It’s an example of multiple times where you are either insulting or short with people online. That’s not something we need on this site. It wouldn’t take much to flip through your replies to fine more. And look at your response, the first thing you debate is the EVO magazine part which isn’t the point… it’s the first eight letters. And then one sentence about the actual comment I’m referring too. You want to debate car stuff that’s fine, leave the silly remarks for another forum. It’s no skin off my back because quite frankly that’s what you're known for. Most of the “regulars” that have been here since day one are getting a little annoyed with stuff like that and in fact, Troll has been banning folks for that same reason (which I applaud.) If you want to be a part of what’s going on and actually contribute something positive, that’s cool… if not, save it for the other forums.

I deleted a longer post because I really don't feel like going in circles with you.

I'll take my shots happily, I'll admit to my faults and admit when I'm wrong. And I'll apologize when I feel I should. But to call me out alone on immature, or frankly useless posts, is pretty narrow sighted when a large portion of the comments made on here are of similar nature and intent.

And I'll debate whatever I damn well please, you certainly are. Especially in the off topic forum, telling me to only debate car stuff. Doesn't make a lick of sense to me...

And just because you're a "regular from day one" doesn't mean this is your forum OR that you or your opinion matter any more than mine does. And honestly, I haven't heard a word from troll about my conduct except for two infractions that really had nothing to do with any of the "debates" I've been included in.

[9 Ball]

I deleted a longer post because I really don't feel like going in circles with you.

I'll take my shots happily, I'll admit to my faults and admit when I'm wrong. And I'll apologize when I feel I should. But to call me out alone on immature, or frankly useless posts, is pretty narrow sighted when a large portion of the comments made on here are of similar nature and intent.

And I'll debate whatever I damn well please, you certainly are. Especially in the off topic forum, telling me to only debate car stuff. Doesn't make a lick of sense to me...

And just because you're a "regular from day one" doesn't mean this is your forum OR that you or your opinion matter any more than mine does. And honestly, I haven't heard a word from troll about my conduct except for two infractions that really had nothing to do with any of the "debates" I've been included in.

If you actually read what I said (and stop getting upset) you would’ve notice I never said you’re post was useless, and if you’re not up to going in circles with me I understand (you may want to quit while your ahead.) It doesn’t appear you’re able to take much heat when it’s dished back at you.

And by the way...

werd...

Quintuple werd.

[Kevin]

lol @ the transsexual thread. I'm so gay.

[Scapegoat]

If you actually read what I said (and stop getting upset) you would’ve notice I never said you’re post was useless, and if you’re not up to going in circles with me I understand (you may want to quit while your ahead.) It doesn’t appear you’re able to take much heat when it’s dished back at you.


not really sure what you're talking about other than I said "opinions are just like assholes" and that I assumed, incorrectly, the focus of a magazine?

And the rest of the quoted entry really doesn't merit much of a response other than: :bigeek: not sure how you got that I was upset or that I'm not able to handle a little e-thuggin'

[dragonfly2k3]

The first post in this thread is directed towards people who call you names and such yet you seem to have NO problem calling other people names... I dont get it?
On another note, you made this thread in a serious manner and now that there are quite a few people who have called you out you say it is amusing?

I am no longer going to post in here.

[Scapegoat]

The first post in this thread is directed towards people who call you names and such yet you seem to have NO problem calling other people names... I dont get it?
On another note, you made this thread in a serious manner and now that there are quite a few people who have called you out you say it is amusing?

I am no longer going to post in here.

the thread is neither directed towards you nor directed to people that call me names. The first part I can give you some slack with, I can understand why you'd think that... but the latter part? Its about as called for as your reply to me in the vick's thread...

Did it not occur to you that the tone of the thread could have changed over the course of a day? I did mention a few times that a good debate amuses me... this is fairly decent right now.