Barry Bonds = ****ing OWNED

[ozthunder]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/15/bonds.indicted/index.html

[Jeffros Spec V]

I was just about to post this.

This guy is a dumb ass. He'll get off just like OJ.

[DSMTJ]

http://www.blackstate.com/images/BarryBonds.jpg

[pearl]

hahaha i love when people post before and after pictures of him lol

[jdmwill]

you been owned beoootchhhhhhhhhhhh.haa haa

[05suby]

its about time.

[ITSTOCK]

http://www.blackstate.com/images/BarryBonds.jpg

DAMN! You mean that 15 years of training can't make you bigger?


I learn something new every day. :banana::banana:


Bonds hit as many home runs when he was smaller, as he does now (with the exception of one season). Nobody can take away that he was a hell of an athlete, juicing or not. It's sad that they are though, and he will most likely not end up in the hall of fame.

Home Runs
1988 NL-24-9
1990 NL-33-4
1992 NL-34-2
1993 NL-46-1
1994 NL-37-3
1995 NL-33-4
1996 NL-42-2
1997 NL-40-4
1998 NL-37-9
2000 NL-49-2
2001 NL-73-1
2002 NL-46-2
2003 NL-45-2
2004 NL-45-4
Act-762-1
Car-762-1


EDIT: I forgot to reply to the original topic! My apologies. Lying is bad.

[pearl]

Nobody can take away that he was a hell of an athlete, juicing or not.

i agree.

[OBEEWON]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/McGwire%20B%20and%20A%202.jpg
http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Grimsley%20B%20and%20A%202.jpg
http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Canseco%20B%20and%20A%202.jpg
http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sheffield%20B%20and%20A%202.jpg
http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

Everyone uses...duh.

[05suby]

if it is found out that he took steroids they should take away all of his homeruns.

[Kevin]

30 years! YAYYYY! I hope it's that long. Can't lie in court pussy.

I watched Steven A. Smith pull the race card out on ESPN tonight. He's the biggest racist ever. He was saying ish about Mark McGuire. like come on dude.

[james_ls]

This will get dropped.

[05suby]

yea most likely. but i would be great if it doesnt.

[ITSTOCK]

yea most likely. but i would be great if it doesnt.

What would make it so great?

[Kevin]

What would make it so great?

All I know is that he lied in court. Nothing worse then that.

[ITSTOCK]

While it's definitely not kosher, there are LOTS of things worse than lying about using steroids in court. Like I said, he was a great athlete on or off the juice. Steroids don't make you correctly swing at 100mph fast balls.

[importpower99]

If anybody on here took steriods we still wouldn't be able to play as good as he did.

[05suby]

While it's definitely not kosher, there are LOTS of things worse than lying about using steroids in court. Like I said, he was a great athlete on or off the juice. Steroids don't make you correctly swing at 100mph fast balls.

yea i kinda agree but they have said that it help hand eye cordination. but i would be great because he is a douche. cant ****ing stand him.

[05suby]

but i still think the record should be taken from him if it is proven he took them. all of those players back in the day were the real athletes. with the numbers they put up and the condition some of their bodies were in. they didnt have all the medicine back then like we do now to recover from injuries. they also played less games and still put up some good ass records.

[dnasty2g]

^^ He had ONE great season. All the rest have bin the same, juice or not. How can you prove the steroids helped him hit 73? Also I want to see your sources that the roids help hand eye coordination. Iv'e never heard that before

[05suby]

^^ He had ONE great season. All the rest have bin the same, juice or not. How can you prove the steroids helped him hit 73? Also I want to see your sources that the roids help hand eye coordination. Iv'e never heard that before

ive heard it a couple of times and when i did a research paper on it a couple of years ago i saw it on websites. i really dont believe it. like i said i dont like him at all. if he wasnt such a prick to kids and wasnt so full of himself, then i wouldnt have a problem with him.

[Kevin]

like i said i dont like him at all. if he wasnt such a prick to kids and wasnt so full of himself, then i wouldnt have a problem with him.

I know. I hate em. My dad hates him. He's arrogant.

But if your in the major leagues, hand eye coordination is like riding a bike I bet.

[05suby]

hand eye coordination should be like riding a bike to you in college. your a pro once your in the majors and can keep a consistant avg and play like an all star. bonds put up good numbers ill give him that cause you still have to see and hit the ball. he is just a prick and doesnt deserve the hr record especially if he was juicing.

[scutzi128]

If hes found to have used steroids he had an edge over Arron. So why should Arron lose his record when he broke it legit and the guy that beat him cheated? Any ball that barley made it over the fence probably would not have made it without the juice. Yes he still had to hit the ball, but would he have hit as many as he did I don't know therefore if he did cheat he screwed himself. I hate cheating and I don't think he should have any records and he should not be admitted into the HOF. That would send a message to all the players to not use steroids and play fair.

[importpower99]

Does anybody know what year they started testing for steriods? I guess my point would be how do we know for sure that players in the past didn't use steriods.

[pearl]

so your telling me a guy that is jacked is going to swing and hit a ball over 400 feet? get out of here.

it takes skill to hit a ball over a wall.

i agree, he should have the book thrown at him, but it is actually a skill to hit a ball that far. especially since its going usually 90+ MPH.

[su_maverick]

I think the problem isnt whether he could or couldn’t have done it without steroids but just the fact that he used steroids should negate the whole thing. It doesn’t matter if it was for one season or 10, it is about ethics.

I am a HUGE St. Louis fan but I will be the first one to say that if they take it away from Bonds, then they should investigate Sosa and McGuire. I hate Bonds because he is a prick and love McGuire because he did a lot for children but that has nothing to do with the game. If you cheat, it is an automatic FAIL, do not pass go, do not collect $200. You can debate this to high heaven but this is why they have rules against cheating. It doesn’t matter how much or for how long, you do it and you are gone. Same thing with Pete Rose. It doesn’t matter if he was fixing games or not, he broke the rules and he has to live with his fate. He was a great player but he f’d up.

[dnasty2g]

Honestly, I dont see what the big deal is. Steroids in my eyes is comparable to marijuana. People know alot of people are doing it, it's just not that big a deal until someone important is caught and then everyone wants to get all gung ho over it. Then everyone thinks they should make an example out of them.

-Don't get me wrong tho, he should be penalized for purgary, but all the take away his home runs talk eh..

[su_maverick]

Steroids do a lot more harm to your body than weed does. But the thing is, they are banned in baseball. If he took them, he should pay the price, just like everyone else. It would be the same thing if you had a corked bat or a pitcher had stuff on his sleeve/arm.

[97TurboDSM]

home run distance is directly related to bat speed. bat speed increases with strength. steroids increase strength. do the freakin math. im done here.

[pearl]

home run distance is directly related to bat speed. bat speed increases with strength. steroids increase strength. do the freakin math. im done here.

I understand what your saying. Totally.
But what about hand eye coordination? The ability to hit swing and actually hit the ball. That takes skill and you can't deny that.

Unless steroids make you have better coordination too....

Please reply back.

[97TurboDSM]

the consensus around the game is that steroids improve hand-eye coordination. without having taken steroids, its all hearsay to me. i could go on and on but i think i answered your question.

[pearl]

But it isn't proven, its just a thought. So that kind of falls apart for both of us. Oh well.

I still think its crazy that dude hit the ball that many times that far.
I bet everyone that posted couldn't hit the ball that far, no matter how cracked out we were :P

[scutzi128]

so your telling me a guy that is jacked is going to swing and hit a ball over 400 feet? get out of here.

it takes skill to hit a ball over a wall.

i agree, he should have the book thrown at him, but it is actually a skill to hit a ball that far. especially since its going usually 90+ MPH.

Did I say he didn't have skill? No I said he had to be good to hit the ball in the first place in my other post. Yea he can hit the ball well, but with more strength from HGH naturally he could hit the ball further resulting in more homeruns then he would have hit without it hence he cheated and should not have the record. I mean if J roll who is a small guy that can hit well took steroids, I bet he would be hitting 50+ a season as he already has the hand eye coordination just not the strength. Bonds was about as small as Jroll then he got jack and started jacking the ball. Some people may say whats the problem with steroids they don't make you hit the ball, thats correct, but it makes people who can hit already more juice to hit it further. Bonds is a smug asshole and I hope his ass lands in jail and the rest of the athletes learn to play fair.

[Kevin]

If you don't have good hand-eye coordination then your not gonna be in the major leagues. Your gonna be playing semi pro like for a farm team or whatever.

If your a little bitch that has excellent hand-eye coordination you might not hit 50+ home runs in a season. If your a jacked ass muhh ****aa and you have average to excellent hand-eye coordination your gonna smash balls out. Word.

[97TurboDSM]

ive been playing baseball for a lot of my life, granted im only 22 but still. both metal and wooden bat leagues. hitting a home run with a wooden bat is very difficult, ive done it a few times. it takes timing, bat speed, bat angle, coordination, strength, etc. what a lot of people dont realize is that, hitting the ball far is really dependent on your lower body. if you are huge above the waist but look like a chicken from the waist down, you're going to have some problems. barry bonds has a MASSIVE lower body...anyway, im going searching for some proof of hand-eye coordination increases by way of steroids.

[pearl]

Did I say he didn't have skill? No I said he had to be good to hit the ball in the first place in my other post.

I wasn't even replying to you. Jesus. People on TST need to take a chill pill.
You make my work day more hectic with emo responses like that.

im going searching for some proof of hand-eye coordination increases by way of steroids.
I'd be really interested to see what you come up with. I offhand have never heard of hand-eye coordination relating to steroids, but I could be wrong.

Bump for an educational argument/discussion :)

[97TurboDSM]

during my short quest for an answer to the hand-eye coordination debate i have come across a few things. Hand-eye coordination is something you are born with and is complimented with good vision. Hand-eye coordination cannot be taught, but can be "improved" through practice and training. There is one more thing that was interesting to me. Most people have one eye that is dominant over the other, like being right or left handed. There are, however, a select few people that have equally dominant eyes, like being ambidextrous with your hands are feet which helps tremendously while trying to track an object (a baseball flying at you 90+mph). I have not found any articles discussing whether or not hand-eye coordination is improved simply by taking steroids, although i have been reading that "studies" have been done. I have not yet seen these "studies"...the saga continues..

[pearl]

Keep me updated! :)

[05suby]

If hes found to have used steroids he had an edge over Arron. So why should Arron lose his record when he broke it legit and the guy that beat him cheated? Any ball that barley made it over the fence probably would not have made it without the juice. Yes he still had to hit the ball, but would he have hit as many as he did I don't know therefore if he did cheat he screwed himself. I hate cheating and I don't think he should have any records and he should not be admitted into the HOF. That would send a message to all the players to not use steroids and play fair.

i agree.

[05suby]

Does anybody know what year they started testing for steriods? I guess my point would be how do we know for sure that players in the past didn't use steriods.

if you look at the past players back in hanks day and before and look at their bodies and the **** they went through with their bodies you can tell they werent. mickey mantle played with bum knees for a lot of years. he was in pain all the time and had to use a bat for a cane to walk up to home plate at times. i highly doubt he was using. he just drank his pain away. back then, they drank their pain away.

[05suby]

Honestly, I dont see what the big deal is. Steroids in my eyes is comparable to marijuana. People know alot of people are doing it, it's just not that big a deal until someone important is caught and then everyone wants to get all gung ho over it. Then everyone thinks they should make an example out of them.

-Don't get me wrong tho, he should be penalized for purgary, but all the take away his home runs talk eh..

they should be taken away. babe ruth did it on pure ability. he was in horrible shape. could you imagine what him or aaron could have done with steriods. they could have maybe caught josh gibson who had over 900 HRs or they could have caught the guy from japan that i think has over 1000 HRs. and dont even get me started on the baseballs now compared to the baseballs when hank aaron played. if you played baseball you understand.

EDIT: and dont compare marijuana to steroids. pot doesnt enhance your ability.

[05suby]

home run distance is directly related to bat speed. bat speed increases with strength. steroids increase strength. do the freakin math. im done here.

so true.

[05suby]

ive been playing baseball for a lot of my life, granted im only 22 but still. both metal and wooden bat leagues. hitting a home run with a wooden bat is very difficult, ive done it a few times. it takes timing, bat speed, bat angle, coordination, strength, etc. what a lot of people dont realize is that, hitting the ball far is really dependent on your lower body. if you are huge above the waist but look like a chicken from the waist down, you're going to have some problems. barry bonds has a MASSIVE lower body...anyway, im going searching for some proof of hand-eye coordination increases by way of steroids.

last one i am quoting, sorry. i have been playing ball all of my life also. yea it is harder with a wooden bat because metal has been proven to hit the ball 10-20ft further if not more then a wood bat. the pros dont use metal because people would get killed. it all come from your hips and legs. thats where bat speed is generated from. having huge arms doesnt mean anything in baseball. you could be built arod. he upper body is a good size but not bonds or sosa size, but his lower body is jacked. thats why a guy his size can hit so many hrs.

[Z3R0]

Honestly, I dont see what the big deal is. Steroids in my eyes is comparable to marijuana. People know alot of people are doing it, it's just not that big a deal until someone important is caught and then everyone wants to get all gung ho over it. Then everyone thinks they should make an example out of them.

-Don't get me wrong tho, he should be penalized for purgary, but all the take away his home runs talk eh..

El Oh El :lol:

[scutzi128]

I wasn't even replying to you. Jesus. People on TST need to take a chill pill.
You make my work day more hectic with emo responses like that.


I'd be really interested to see what you come up with. I offhand have never heard of hand-eye coordination relating to steroids, but I could be wrong.

Bump for an educational argument/discussion :)

Sorry man thought you were coming after me.

[scutzi128]

We should make a poll to see if people think he should keep the records or not.

[05suby]

that would be a good idea.

[scutzi128]

I wouldset one up, but I don't know how to make a poll.

[importpower99]

Why shouldn't he keep his record, he hit the home runs. Most people do get better after they play for a while.

So are you suggesting he should lose all his records for the time he was suspected of using or all his home-runs?
Since only he knows when he used steriods.
He needs to go to jail for lying, but I'm still on the fence about abolishing his record.

[Kevin]

Why shouldn't he keep his record, he hit the home runs. Most people do get better after they play for a while.

So are you suggesting he should lose all his records for the time he was suspected of using or all his home-runs?
Since only he knows when he used steriods.
He needs to go to jail for lying, but I'm still on the fence about abolishing his record.

Yea. But every true baseball fan knows what happen and knows how it works. They don't want to believe his record if it stands or it doesn't.

[importpower99]

Yea. But every true baseball fan knows what happen and knows how it works. They don't want to believe his record if it stands or it doesn't.
Oh, I hate baseball, good point!

[D Money]

everyone in baseball is on steroids. I don't see it being a big deal, who cares. They just want those muscles for the beach. :roll:

Anyways, doctors prescribe HGH in small dosages to their patients when they have poison ivey and stuff. Baseball players are just taking it in the size of a big gulp. :rotfl:

[ITSTOCK]

Most everyone in professional sports has dabbled in steroids, since the 1950's, and as early as the 1930's.


I guess you can take away his records since he was stupid enough to get caught. BUT, he was still an incredible athlete that brought attention to the game, from the beginning of his career, all of the way until the end.

Look at how many people watched baseball for those couple of years when the HR records were being broken! It speaks for itself.