Mazdaspeed 3 Gets a late Christmas! Pics in post 154

[WRXD]

Drove the mazdaspeed, loved it, faster than my WRX, better in almost every way. Done..

if you see me toolin around Downingtown/Exton, give me a honk!

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/ms31.jpg

[ozthunder]

Awesome! Apparently those things have quite the pep..how does going from AWD to FWD feel?

[WRXD]

Definitely different, looking into snow tires already.

WRX is getting parted out, looks for a sale post soons:wiggle:

[ozthunder]

Well i'm in the area on the weekends, i'll hope to see you around with it.

[itouge.com]

If your happy im happy... you will be back to the dark side though!

[CHAOS]

hell yea those are awesome...

[pearl]

i was torn between one of those an my 07 wrx... i opted for the wrx though. i really wanted something that would be amazing in the snow. the mazdaspeed 3 is for sure faster.

[i like rice]

/high five

Mazdaspeed crew +1

[01IS300]

nice car...I really like them.

[justinlansdale]

/high five

Mazdaspeed crew +1

zing!

[spoolinSTi]

hey man thats awesome. those cars a really cool. i almost bought a mazdaspeed6 once. good luck!!!

[WRXD]

Thanks for the support-- good to see some more mazdaspeed guys on here. Anyone know if there are any other MS3s on TST? Ive only seen like 1 on the street before.

Yes I will miss my WRX, but I do not regret the change..

mazda and mazdaspeed forums are not as car specific as the WRX/STi forums for sure.

does anyone know if there are any 'mazdaspeed' specific forums, because I can only find sections in generic mazda or mazda3 boards.

[pearl]

those boards are your best bet.

what made you change to the mazda? im just curious of why you switched.

[Ender81]

Wow it's all shiny and red, hey you should throw a set of studded snows on there and come on the 48 hours of tristate run :devil:

[WRXD]

what made you change to the mazda? im just curious of why you switched.

I have nothing against subaru-- love subaru, loved my WRX. I do a lot of higway driving and was really getting tired of the horrible top end on my WRX- was considering a turbo upgrade but didnt know if I wanted to drop all the cash on it plus supporting mods. Plus I had my eye on the MS3 ever since they started showing up at dealerships. The transmission in the mazda is exponentially better than the WRX trans. Stereo is better, seats are more comfortable..list goes on.

Found one pre-owned at carsense with only few thousand on it, drove it and fell in love with it.

[xEJ20x]

Burn him! Burn him!!


Nah....enjoy the new toy. :mrgreen:

[WRXD]

I think I have to change my screen name now...

[BradC]

Thanks for the support-- good to see some more mazdaspeed guys on here. Anyone know if there are any other MS3s on TST? Ive only seen like 1 on the street before.

Yes I will miss my WRX, but I do not regret the change..

mazda and mazdaspeed forums are not as car specific as the WRX/STi forums for sure.

does anyone know if there are any 'mazdaspeed' specific forums, because I can only find sections in generic mazda or mazda3 boards.

www.msprotege.com

[scutzi128]

Good luck with it man...how fast is it compared to your stage 2 wrx? Ive heard good things, but I've never seen one on the road.

[WRXD]

Good luck with it man...how fast is it compared to your stage 2 wrx? Ive heard good things, but I've never seen one on the road.

significantly faster---obviously not from a stop, but once you get rolling it keeps pulling and pulling. The torque delivery and smoothness of the motor is day and night from the wrx. It pulls hard even in 6th gear without downshifting. Simple I/E bolt ons are netting crazy performance increases on these cars as well, and cobb is working on an AccessPORT for it. I plan on doing a stock baseline dyno soon and updating power increases as I do bolt-on stuff to it. This car is going to be the next JSC Speed project car, so I will be updating the progress on it often.

I am definitely going to miss the incredible aftermarket support of the WRX and the community for sure.

I would really like to get next to a stock STi on the highway, just as a benchmark:)

[WRXD]

I cant beleive Ray hasn't commented yet...he already came in make fun of me at work..

[05Accent]

oh wow that has to be different

[WRXD]

Im really curious if there are any other MS3s on TST...anyone..?

[__owens__]

good pick up

[ray@turbotek]

I cant beleive Ray hasn't commented yet...he already came in make fun of me at work..

lmao , ill wait till the weather gets ****tier for that one lol:wink:

[CHAOS]

Im really curious if there are any other MS3s on TST...anyone..?

i know of one or 2 and neither of them post much

[scutzi128]

What are they rated at stock? Id run with you since I'm mostly stock except exhaust, but my clutch is starting to slip so it would probably not go so well for me.

[WRXD]

What are they rated at stock? Id run with you since I'm mostly stock except exhaust, but my clutch is starting to slip so it would probably not go so well for me.

263hp/280tq at the crank.

[ozthunder]

But apparently it's an underrating...

[WRXD]

apparently they are hard to dyno accurately because of the hood/intercooler design. I have seen them put anywhere from 230-270hp to the wheels under different conditions.

[scutzi128]

Thats pretty solid aren't they around the same price as an Sti (like 30k)?

[WRXD]

no...base 'sport' MSRP is 22,400 or something. GT model is 25,600 and fully loaded with nav is like 27,500.

the difference in the sport and GT is HIDs, leather trimmed seats, 6-disc bose, rain sensing wipers and led tails. Nav/dvd adds like $1900.

I picked mine up with 7200 on the clock for much less than the base MSRP:mrgreen:

[scutzi128]

Very nice I thought it was similar to the wrx and sti where they had the base 3 and then the mazdaspeed was like the sti which came with all the goodies and there are only a few options. Sounds like a great deal and which model did you say you got?

[NOPSTNS]

there are other ms3 owners but they dont post much. glad to see a fellow mazda convert, welcome to the good side... but its FWD so ill call u the red headed step child of mada sports! haha jk

But apparently it's an underrating...

heh heh, yeppers.

they may be rated 263 and 280 but they make almost that to the wheels.
the average ive seen is 250 whp and 275 wtq. they dont make all the power in first and second, mazda limited the boost and the throttle opening in those gears in order to help give u control so ur best fight against any faster car is highway.

the engine is so "looked past" in the automotive world but it really is a nice engine with loads of potential. simple intake exhaust and reflash and ud be at the heels of around 375 bhp. mazda currently races in ALMS in the P2 class with a DEstroked version of this engine making 400hp. and the next DI engine from mazda will be stroked UP version of the 2.3 that u will see in the next mazda6 and the next mazda3. they will also follow direct injection into the next rotary engine which will be a 1.6l all aluminum engine. the first bump in displacement for a rotary in over 30 years.

id stay away from accessport if i were a MS3 owner but thats just me. the car is direct injected (ie, 1885 psi in the fuel rail) and that kind of fun is um, different than most systems and i wouldnt trust some general tuner comp to make me a reflash for something that important. id wait for a respected MAZDA tuner comp to do a retune, someone whos been working on direct injection specifically. but thats just me, flame me all u want on how cobb is the tuning gods or whatever but i dont see any direct injected subies rollin out of their shops and its a whole nother animal and if anyone would like to argue my point ill go on with my ramblings about the DISI engine.

congrats on the new whip, first mod id do is intake and exhaust, if u ever sell the seats let ME know first! i love those suckers

[WRXD]

hey thanks...

I hear ya about the accessport, but as my boss says (who is trying to find a tuning solution for his Mini R56) if you are on a desert island and a hamburger falls out of the sky, you don't ask for ketchup..

keeping cobb's current track record in mind, the MS3 AccessPORT will be out in 2010.

[spoolinSTi]

hey thats nice and all with all this talking how about some more pics man!!!

[WRXD]

I only have a few, and they are all very similar to the one already up-- I will take some more and post em up.

[NOPSTNS]

but as my boss says if you are on a desert island and a hamburger falls out of the sky, you don't ask for ketchup..

.

i understand the argument, its ok to be desperate for things and to compromise. but when 1900 psi of fuel is used to cool a combustion chamgber so the 15.6 pounds of boost is being fed into a 9.5:1 compression chamber id be a lil weary of whos making sure that fuel pressure STAYS at 1900 psi.

i dont trust anyone.


and ur right about cobb, the tune from acessport will be "complete" in thier eyes right before the NEXT ms3 is sold!


whats planned for first mod? i pay "cost plus 10%" for mazdaspeed parts if u need a source for mazda parts...i can get u an intake and exhaust FAST

[WRXD]

Thanks for the offer--
First mods:Intake and turboback. I have a boost gauge out of my WRX im trying to figure out how where to mount.

I get all of my stuff at crazy discounts because I work for JSC Speed. (and I cut TST members deals if you call up and ask for Aaron:wink:)

Debating cold air or SR for the intake. Protege Garage came out with a turbo manifold that netted something insane like 30whp. Seems like with an Intake/TBE/Header line up 300whp isn't hart to break. Id love do do a CF hood if that ever comes out, the stock hood weighs something insane. Light weight wheels (JSC will be carrying Enkei soon) will make a big difference as well. TurboXS just released their FMIC--:cool: I gotta unload some of my WRX parts before I can start thinking about new parts..

[WRXD]

A few more clean pics:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/newms32.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/newms31.jpg
Snapped some new pics this morning:
console (ignore my dirty floormat)
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/ms3interior.jpg
seats
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/ms3seats.jpg
dusty shifter
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/ms3shiftknob.jpg
wheel
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/ms3wheel.jpg

[scutzi128]

Very nice...like I said when I get my clutch in I will run with ya. Where is the IC behind the grill? I can't really see it.

[WRXD]

its a top mount, the grill takes in air abov the mazda emblem and directs it through the TMIC

[scutzi128]

Ahh interesting design.

[farBeyondDriven]

Although I'm not a FWD fan, I can't wait to see what these cars can do.

[TimmahWRX]

Yo dude, glad to finally see pics of the mazdaspeed3!!!!! Cant wait to see it in person, and i'll probably be looking into some of your part-outs. I figured you'd go black or red. looks sweet, and i'm glad you're happy with the switch. good luck man!!

[WRXD]

Yo dude, glad to finally see pics of the mazdaspeed3!!!!! Cant wait to see it in person, and i'll probably be looking into some of your part-outs. I figured you'd go black or red. looks sweet, and i'm glad you're happy with the switch. good luck man!!

hey thanks man-- haven't seen you around in forever

I would have gotten black if I could have decided, but I picked this one up at carsense, so red it is! I never would have chosen red, but its really growing on me.

[amp]

Im really curious if there are any other MS3s on TST...anyone..?
ms6 here.. does it count..

[WRXD]

ms6 here.. does it count..


sure, nice to meet ya

[twistedlanes]

cough*get a crazy loud blow off valve*cough* nah good choice..fun little cars I can't wait to see what type of potential these things have.

[Chris_PA]

400whp on stock turbo supposedly

[NOPSTNS]

[QUOTE=WRXD;731422]Debating cold air or SR for the intake. Protege Garage came out with a turbo manifold that netted something insane like 30whp. Seems like with an Intake/TBE/Header line up 300whp isn't hart to break. Id love do do a CF hood if that ever comes out[QUOTE]


dude u could pass 300whp with just a cai. 400whp on stock turbo sounds realistic but i havent seen any heavily modified, they r too new so far.

if u do go for cf hood make sure u go FMIC before that. the oem hood has ducts for the top mount, u already know this tho....and yes ur right the oem hood is crazy heavy.

i didnt kno u work for jsc, ive raced against them at autox, some subie wagon, at warminster and stuff, nasty body roll but other than that good stuff.


have fun, and give me those seats!

[Honest_Bob]

I've liked that body style Mazda 3 since they came out. My sister used to have a blue 2.3 hatch. The interior is nothing short of ****ing awesome. The handling reminded me of my old classic SE-R, and the 2.3 had more than enough power.

Sweet car!


PS I'll be hitting you up shortly. I need one of those 52mm single gauge autometer a pillar pods for my wideband.

[WRXD]

i didnt kno u work for jsc, ive raced against them at autox, some subie wagon, at warminster and stuff, nasty body roll but other than that good stuff.


If it’s a blue wagon that’s J.R., we sponsor him and he’s a mod over at ClubWRX.

I've liked that body style Mazda 3 since they came out. My sister used to have a blue 2.3 hatch. The interior is nothing short of ****ing awesome.

Yeah, my original inspiration for this car was my GF who just bought a 2.3 mazda3 back in may. Every time I drove it I was jealous of her interior.

[NOPSTNS]

http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/ca2508.gif

dyno sheet, i posted this in general car chat but thought ud like to know....
249 WHP
268 WTQ

CAI....

261 WHP
284 WTQ

[ozthunder]

Dawg, were you on the 30 bypass this morning?

[WRXD]

I dont think so-- I was around Thornedale at noon, had to pick up some stuff at autozone

[Chris215]

nice car, I'll be picking one up this summer. can't wait!

what mods do you have planned?

[WRXD]

nice car, I'll be picking one up this summer. can't wait!

what mods do you have planned?

cool-- you'll love it.

basic bolt-ons definitely planned. perhaps a FMIC, and I will at least consider the accessport if it ever comes out.

[gpzjack]

Cool. Will probably be my next car...that or the 6

[Speed 3]

Good luck with the ride. I got my MS3 last summer and love it. I'm going to let it sit out the winter cause it really needs winter tires bad. I'll be using the 4wd truck until March.

First mod should be the cai, then the catback.

[WRXD]

cool, where are you in PA? what color speed 3?

[WRXD]

So I had my stock MS3 do a few pulls at R/T Tuning today and here are the results:

251.51 horsepower
277.69 torque

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/CCI00002.jpg

lots of thanks to Vince at R/T for all of his generous time!

baseline is done-- let the modding begin:mrgreen:

[96Stang]

awesome numbers...didnt know they were that powerful

[NOPSTNS]

i told everyone they were underrated, see
251whp....263 advertised
277wtq...280 advertised

but did anyone belive me, nooo, all i heard was "lets see some dyno sheets, and blah blah blah"


heres some obvious proof.
**** you assholes

[05 mazda6s]

Nice numbers and nice car man. Isn't the speed3 still a little brother to the speed6. Speed6 has that AWD edge

[wgknestrick]

That dyno certainly shows there is much more potential to these cars. EBC, and exhaust should really get that top end going. It's making good power then just drops like a brick up top.

[WRXD]

Nice numbers and nice car man. Isn't the speed3 still a little brother to the speed6. Speed6 has that AWD edge

Meh...the speed3 has that 500lbs lighter and less drivetrain loss edge...

[ozthunder]

Awesome numbers!

[peteyturbo]

:rofl: at the last sentence!!i told everyone they were underrated, see
251whp....263 advertised
277wtq...280 advertised

but did anyone belive me, nooo, all i heard was "lets see some dyno sheets, and blah blah blah"


heres some obvious proof.
**** you assholes

[peteyturbo]

I agree, I have never EVER seen such a drop in power like that 100hp/tq at 6500 wtf!?!?That dyno certainly shows there is much more potential to these cars. EBC, and exhaust should really get that top end going. It's making good power then just drops like a brick up top.

[WRXD]

yeah I am already debating throwing some sort of boost control on there. Basic bolt ons will come next month.

[SovXietday]

How high do you rev that thing? Looks like damn near half of your WOT powerband is falling away!!

[Scapegoat]

I def didn't expect to see the speed 3's making that much power (if you can call 250hp power) but it does drop off fast and hard. It is running off the stock ecu so I'm sure its programmed to do that

Please note my modded srt only makes 259hp, I don't consider that powerful either, so...

[justinlansdale]

wow that is definitly impressive.

[BradC]

Nice numbers!

[CHAOS]

nice number aaron, its gotta rip!

[zerioustt]

Nice numbers man!


I wouldn't mod untill you find out if that ecu is puslling timing and fuel up top. It could be very dangerous if you add a mbc and have it hold boost if the computer isn't giving it enough fuel. I'd first look into chips then mod accordingly.


I'd also like to see some stock 1/4 times out of this car.

[PaleDSM]

Does boost fall off up high? I don't know squat about the cars but you seem to think that the boost control is the ticket to picking up that top end power.

I'm impressed with those stock numbers as well.

[jayrod16]

haha I need to get mine to a dyno and see what mine is making. I have the Mazdaspeed CAI and I am going to get be getting a race/test pipe soon as well. It should put down close to 270hp 290ish tq to the wheels if not more. That engine is so restricted from the factory.

Do you ever go to any meets? We just had a Mazda meet here in Pottstown about 3 weeks ago. They are going to Arnolds Go Carts in Oaks tomorrow.

[scutzi128]

Nice numbers man, would probably beat my car.

[wgknestrick]

Nice numbers man!


I wouldn't mod untill you find out if that ecu is puslling timing and fuel up top. It could be very dangerous if you add a mbc and have it hold boost if the computer isn't giving it enough fuel. I'd first look into chips then mod accordingly.


I'd also like to see some stock 1/4 times out of this car.

It would compensate with the MAF for the added air from the boost, and almost all stock boost controllers pull back the boost at high RPMs now. Anyone know what size injectors these have to calculate the headroom? I wouldn't turn up the boost without a nice 3" exhaust though.

[Vince@R/TTuning]

The bottom graph is the boost it was running..it is alil small so its hard to see but from 5400ish to 6500ish the boost drops from 15psi to 4 psi. From our experience with the mazdaspeed 6s turbo back exhaust hold the boost way longer and the air fuels are still in 10's and that is without a boost controller. so im sure with those two he could gain a consisderable amout of power up high and still be pretty safe...but im sure we will find out soon enough

[wgknestrick]

It would be nice to see what they make with a catless exhaust and 18psi tapering to 16 @ redline. I bet they are around 320-340whp.

[Verocious]

If they are like the speed 6's then the throttle is closing to 70% at 5500 rpm. Do the 3's also use a K04 turbo? If they do that thing needs to go. They have way to small of an exhaust housing to flow well up top.

The Speed 3's react very well to a Turbo XS downpipe. It s a real nice piece. The bell mouth is cast stainless like Cobbs Downpipes for Subarus. You will pick up an extra 40whp with the downpipe and turbo back. Cobb should have there Access Port ready for the 3's very shortly. After that we should be seeing those cars make some pretty impressive power numbers.

[jayrod16]

Yeah Cobb has a speed3 they dyno'd at 400whp with their mods I believe.

Myself and my friend Zac are going to have to schedule an appt at R/T Tuning to do our speed3's. Id love to get down there to do mine then do a cpmparison when I get the test pipe.

Zac has Injen CAI, CP-E Cat Back Exauhst, Wideband (something lol no clue what that is), and something else I think.
He should be around 320whp to the wheels.

[WRXD]

If they are like the speed 6's then the throttle is closing to 70% at 5500 rpm. Do the 3's also use a K04 turbo? If they do that thing needs to go. They have way to small of an exhaust housing to flow well up top.

The Speed 3's react very well to a Turbo XS downpipe. It s a real nice piece. The bell mouth is cast stainless like Cobbs Downpipes for Subarus. You will pick up an extra 40whp with the downpipe and turbo back. Cobb should have there Access Port ready for the 3's very shortly. After that we should be seeing those cars make some pretty impressive power numbers.

Yes its the same turbo.

These cars run like 10.4 A/F stock, so people are pumping up the boost to like 18psi with a boost cut defender with no problems at all.

[Verocious]

I was really impressed with the Mazda Speed 3/6's. I never really looked into them too much until I had four 6's on our dyno not too long ago. The interior is pretty cool, make good power and they look pretty nice from the outside. The FSI engine should be a pleasure to tune also. I'll have to keep my eye out for anyone selling a used 3. I think that will be my next project if I can find one.

[jayrod16]

I was really impressed with the Mazda Speed 3/6's. I never really looked into them too much until I had four 6's on our dyno not too long ago. The interior is pretty cool, make good power and they look pretty nice from the outside. The FSI engine should be a pleasure to tune also. I'll have to keep my eye out for anyone selling a used 3. I think that will be my next project if I can find one.

haha spring time mine will be for sale :roll::roll:

[Verocious]

I am going to go ahead and have to call DIBS on your MS3.

Do you have plans for something else already?

[WRXD]

haha spring time mine will be for sale :roll::roll:

why are you selling?

[MY98turboRS]

So this car is faster than your stage 2 wrx? Did you have any #'s for the subaru?
-mike-

[TalonTsi97]

I'll have to keep my eye out for anyone selling a used 3. I think that will be my next project if I can find one.

Same thing i have been telling myself since they came out. Id love to pick one up, im always on the mazda sites and have been very impressed with them.
WRXD good luck and good numbers cant wait to see what happens next.

[WRXD]

So this car is faster than your stage 2 wrx? Did you have any #'s for the subaru?
-mike-

never got numbers done on my subaru, but I cant imagine it was much faster than 230/215 at the wheels.

The MS3 feels much much faster to drive, especially on the highway. The MS3 rips on the highway, I havent found a willing driver yet that I couldn't hang with.

was playing around with an Audi RS4 on the way home from work the other night.

[MY98turboRS]

Nice, I have a quick q, do you have any pics of the stock exhaust? I ran a speed3 lastnight in long island and I want to see if it had an aftermarket exhaust on it. Also what is the weight of the speed 3 do you know?
-mike-

[jayrod16]

why are you selling?


Ive always wanted a turbo car so I went for it. I am in the middle of getting my CDL license so I have to work 2 part time jobs for a few months and with the car payments/insurance I will be almost in debt for that time. I am only 23 so I have PLENTY of time in my life to get another one or something better.

[MY98turboRS]

By the way the tip was round and prob about 4" and it had a rolled edge. Is that stock? Sorry and it was 2 nights ago not lastnight. It was red just like yours. They look good
-mike-

[Raven18940]

Wow, those are great numbers. What gear did you run in and what ratio was it?

I'm also taking notes on how to fix your power as my car starts to fall off at high revs in a similar fashion.

[GsrSiHatchie]

+1 to the fastest color

and besides that... i was torn between my srt and waiting for one of those for the longest time, but i opted out for the srt, becuase my payments are dirt ass cheap giving me the ability to save for something nice out of college

[MY98turboRS]

They seem like pretty quick cars.
-mike-

[jayrod16]

They seem like pretty quick cars.
-mike-

haha they are very "quick" :lol:

Many other cars have found that out as well:lol:

[MY98turboRS]

well I be the speeds ass twice from a roll but i am not stock. Very quick is all relative to what you are used to. My car isn't very quick but its faster than most stock cars
-mike-

[MY98turboRS]

by the way no one please take offense I am not starting a war I_ am merely trying to find out if the car I ran was stock or had an exhaust and the curb weight of it;) Please don't take my comments as a war against mazdaspeed. My buddy has a speed 6 and I really dig the interior of it. I just don't know how you guys deal with the engagement of that clutch.
-mike-

[zionrug]

never got numbers done on my subaru, but I cant imagine it was much faster than 230/215 at the wheels.

The MS3 feels much much faster to drive, especially on the highway. The MS3 rips on the highway, I havent found a willing driver yet that I couldn't hang with.

was playing around with an Audi RS4 on the way home from work the other night.


I've got a Stage 2 06 WRX wagon if you want to make a comparo. I'm usually running around Malvern, West Chester, and 30 Bypass.Look out for the CGM wagon with teh Tommy Kaira pinstripe

[Verocious]

Wow, those are great numbers. What gear did you run in and what ratio was it?

I'm also taking notes on how to fix your power as my car starts to fall off at high revs in a similar fashion.

The power falls off because the stock electronic throttle is shutting to about 70% at 5500rpm. Also the turbo the car runs has a fairly small exhaust housing. The small housings really kill power up top.

[MY98turboRS]

Don't they have about 2.5" piping stock? I heard the stock turbo is ok but to drop power at 6000 rpm? I thought stock subaru turbos were bad
-mike-

[Verocious]

by the way no one please take offense I am not starting a war I_ am merely trying to find out if the car I ran was stock or had an exhaust and the curb weight of it;) Please don't take my comments as a war against mazdaspeed. My buddy has a speed 6 and I really dig the interior of it. I just don't know how you guys deal with the engagement of that clutch.
-mike-

I agree the clutch feel is horrible. They use what is called an "over center" design. Once the pedal throw gets to the centerline of travel. You get a mechanical advantage of more leverage. There should be away to eliminate or reduce the over center feeling.

[ozthunder]

I've got a Stage 2 06 WRX wagon if you want to make a comparo. I'm usually running around Malvern, West Chester, and 30 Bypass.Look out for the CGM wagon with teh Tommy Kaira pinstripe

What happened to the Civic?!

[MY98turboRS]

Yeah I don't like the clutch but the tranny is nice. Closing of the throotle by 30% is to keep a safe afr? I heard these run a wideband stock? I don't think the turbo is the main prob I think it is prob the ecu and throttle trying to keep the car safe.
-mike-

[MY98turboRS]

I have driven 5spds for 12 years and I have driven a lot of different cars but first trying to drive the speed 6 I stalled like 3 times in a row. There is no babying that clutch it has direct engagement. I have a beefy act in my subaru and have had a few centerforces and act's in some of my dsm's but man is the the mazdaspeed harsh.

[zionrug]

What happened to the Civic?!

Sold the turbo kit for 1K more than I paid for it and hated front wheel drive and a pretty unstreetable daily driven powerband.I had a 2002 WRX wagon for 6 years and I missed it.The Civic was traded in to Carsense and someone bought it a week later, unbeknownst that the car was pushing serious boost on a stock motor.

[Verocious]

Yeah I don't like the clutch but the tranny is nice. Closing of the throotle by 30% is to keep a safe afr? I heard these run a wideband stock? I don't think the turbo is the main prob I think it is prob the ecu and throttle trying to keep the car safe.
-mike-

The stock ECU will start to close the throttle at higher engine speeds to keep the load on the motor down. Its done for longevity. The car most likely does have a wideband sensor from the factory. Most manufactures are going that route.

The K04 turbo is widely used in the German automobile field. It is a common upgrade for the K03 which comes on most turbo VW/Audis. Which are normally 1.8/2.0L's. The largest motor that the K04 is used on regularly is the 2.7L Audi motor, and it uses two turbos. There will most likely never be a stock turbo that can can spool quickly and provide good top end power. Car manufactures are concerned with getting the turbo spooled as quickly as possible for good driveablity. They really dont care too much about the top end performance. Look at the stock WRX turbo. Spools very quickly, but it is not capable of making alot of top end power. Its almost impossible to get a stock turbo'ed WRX to hold a flat power curve up top.

[lagos]

nice peak numbers, but the powerband is .... well ... not that great.
you can tell the turbo is being pushed to its limits. the 70% throttle limitation is probably to keep egt's down because of the limitations on the exhaust side of the turbo.

[WRXD]

The stock ECU will start to close the throttle at higher engine speeds to keep the load on the motor down. Its done for longevity. The car most likely does have a wideband sensor from the factory. Most manufactures are going that route.

The K04 turbo is widely used in the German automobile field. It is a common upgrade for the K03 which comes on most turbo VW/Audis. Which are normally 1.8/2.0L's. The largest motor that the K04 is used on regularly is the 2.7L Audi motor, and it uses two turbos. There will most likely never be a stock turbo that can can spool quickly and provide good top end power. Car manufactures are concerned with getting the turbo spooled as quickly as possible for good driveablity. They really dont care too much about the top end performance. Look at the stock WRX turbo. Spools very quickly, but it is not capable of making alot of top end power. Its almost impossible to get a stock turbo'ed WRX to hold a flat power curve up top.

I was gonna say- maybe the K04 is small for the 2.3 liter, but the MS3 has GOBS more power up top than my WRX ever did. Night and day difference.

by the way no one please take offense I am not starting a war I_ am merely trying to find out if the car I ran was stock or had an exhaust and the curb weight of it;) Please don't take my comments as a war against mazdaspeed. My buddy has a speed 6 and I really dig the interior of it. I just don't know how you guys deal with the engagement of that clutch.
-mike-

they weigh like 3100lbs and the stock exhaust tip is like 4". Most aftermarket catbacks looks very similar to the stock exhaust so its hard to tell.

screw the clutch...the MS3 6-speed blows the WRX 5-speed 'box of rocks' out of the water. I got used to the clutch in about a week.

[MY98turboRS]

nice. The few times i drove my friends speed 6 the tranny felt awesome it just took a lot of getting used to with the clutch.
-mike-

[Orbit]

very nice! i saw one at atco 2 weeks ago running mid 12's with just an exhaust and a chip. i couldnt belive how well it hooked up for fwd . i think karl has the time slip, he raced him.

[Raven18940]

very nice! i saw one at atco 2 weeks ago running mid 12's with just an exhaust and a chip. i couldnt belive how well it hooked up for fwd . i think karl has the time slip, he raced him.

What do they run stock?

[95nracer]

very nice! i saw one at atco 2 weeks ago running mid 12's with just an exhaust and a chip. i couldnt belive how well it hooked up for fwd . i think karl has the time slip, he raced him.




Was he on stock wheels and tires also?

[Evo8kid]

i told everyone they were underrated, see
251whp....263 advertised
277wtq...280 advertised

but did anyone belive me, nooo, all i heard was "lets see some dyno sheets, and blah blah blah"


heres some obvious proof.
**** you assholes

im not trying to be a dick, but if they advertised it at 263hp and it actually makes 251hp doesnt it is overrated?

[Raven18940]

im not trying to be a dick, but if they advertised it at 263hp and it actually makes 251hp doesnt it is overrated?

They advertised 263 BHP, that's at the flywheel, it made 251 at the wheels, which is a pretty magical tranny if it's making 263BHP.

[WRXD]

What do they run stock?

13.9 or so driven very well

[scutzi128]

I wonder what they would run stock with an actual power curve that looked like a curve instead of an oval. Tune that up and it would probably be so nasty.

[Speed 3]

cool, where are you in PA? what color speed 3?
I'm in Philly with a Sunlight Silver Speed 3.

Nice numbers you posted there. Check out this thread, mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123690368 on the Mazda Boards for some ideas.

[Raven18940]

I wonder what they would run stock with an actual power curve that looked like a curve instead of an oval. Tune that up and it would probably be so nasty.
I don't know what's wrong with the power curve it has.

[Buster]

very nice! i saw one at atco 2 weeks ago running mid 12's with just an exhaust and a chip. i couldnt belive how well it hooked up for fwd . i think karl has the time slip, he raced him.


If WRXD says they have a K04 then there is no way that was just exhaust and a chip, Those Turbos are still small even in comparison to a TDO4. I think he pulled a Dimitri on you guys. But on the other side you can boost the balls off those turbos.

[Orbit]

he said the chip allowed him to run more boost. He was on blizzak snow tires. lol

[WRXD]

If WRXD says they have a K04 then there is no way that was just exhaust and a chip, Those Turbos are still small even in comparison to a TDO4. I think he pulled a Dimitri on you guys. But on the other side you can boost the balls off those turbos.

There is a guy on the Mazda forums running intake/TBE, piggy-back, and an EBC at 18psi with a fuel pump who did a 12.9@111 on street tires.

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=95829.0

I don't know anything about the K03/K04 turbos, but I know one GTI with a chip/tuning and a few other bolt ons that was a beast. Much faster that my WRX-- I know this because I would drive to work everyday with him on the turnpike and he would pull away from me like I was in reverse on the highway.

[scutzi128]

I don't know what's wrong with the power curve it has.

It drops so much above 5500rpm. If they resolved the throttle closing issue the top end would be a lot better.

[Raven18940]

It drops so much above 5500rpm. If they resolved the throttle closing issue the top end would be a lot bettoer.

Or maybe the engine would melt a piston, there's got to be a reason they did it that way. The Mazda engineers weren't thinking, "how best can we spoil the drivers fun?"

What I meant is that while the power nose dives at 5500, everything up to that point is good. From 4 to 5.5 it's making good power, so as long as he changes up around 5.5 it should still fly.

[scutzi128]

Then why not put the rev limiter there? I'm just sayin if they got the top end sorted it would be awesome up top.

[Raven18940]

Maybe the higher rev limiter makes it faster in first gear where the boost is held back.

[scutzi128]

Maybe still the car would be faster with better top end end of story and if other cars can handle top end power I am sure this car can.

[Raven18940]

Tiny exhaust turbines do bad things to your EGT's, my car has the same problem only mine runs pig rich up top.

[jh95zenki]

There is a guy on the Mazda forums running intake/TBE, piggy-back, and an EBC at 18psi with a fuel pump who did a 12.9@111 on street tires.

I'm pretty sure I've seen 3's running even faster times than that with those mods.

If you look at car and driver's road test of the 3 they were having trouble running good quarter mile times and called mazdaspeed. They recommended that you should shift at 6000 rpm and flat shift 2-3. They said it wouldn't break.
I don't think the engineers built it to be pushed to redline but they give people the option to take it up to 6500 with no limiter for tuning reasons.

These cars are just ridiculous, I'll try and find some of the crazy videos/links I've found.

[lagos]

Tiny exhaust turbines do bad things to your EGT's, my car has the same problem only mine runs pig rich up top.

yep...

[jh95zenki]

13.7 stock
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-_hfU0Dknss

they sound crazy too
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CWRUtYgb00Y&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I91hq9dNHuU&feature=related

[WRXD]

I'm pretty sure I've seen 3's running even faster times than that with those mods.

If you look at car and driver's road test of the 3 they were having trouble running good quarter mile times and called mazdaspeed. They recommended that you should shift at 6000 rpm and flat shift 2-3. They said it wouldn't break.
I don't think the engineers built it to be pushed to redline but they give people the option to take it up to 6500 with no limiter for tuning reasons.

These cars are just ridiculous, I'll try and find some of the crazy videos/links I've found.

You are probably right. I was just quoting that because someone said there was no way that you could break into the 12s on the stock K04, and there are a number of people who have done it and then some.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Good to see I'm not alone. New MS3 owner here- previous STi owner. Waiting with baited breath for the expected February release of the Accessport from Cobb!

[marshallpre1]

Man, I've never seen a Speed3 in my life. I didn't know they're that quick... I want to see how well my Supra will do against them... Anyone wanna run this spring? :P

[WRXD]

Good to see I'm not alone. New MS3 owner here- previous STi owner. Waiting with baited breath for the expected February release of the Accessport from Cobb!

good luck. They quoted me 1st quarter 08 at SEMA-- so that gives them until May.

Keep in mind their Evo 8 + 9 Ap just came out this fall-- theres your benchmark..

[GsrSiHatchie]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CWRUtYgb00Y&feature=related

^^ posted before sounds like my srt... just not as truck like

[justinlansdale]

man, the more i read about/see these cars, the more i wanna upgrade!

[PUREKDM]

i wouldn't mind being spanked by this hotness...if you wanna run a z as a "benchmark" or what ever just gimme a holler

[WRXD]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CWRUtYgb00Y&feature=related

^^ posted before sounds like my srt... just not as truck like

my thoughts exactly the turboxs does sound like a truck ! They make a hks hi-power for this car that I am curious about, they sound like sex on other cars but I can't seem to find ms3 that has one. Might just get it and find out.

[justinlansdale]

my thoughts exactly the turboxs does sound like a truck ! They make a hks hi-power for this car that I am curious about, they sound like sex on other cars but I can't seem to find ms3 that has one. Might just get it and find out.

my buddy has the hks hi-power on his n/a 3 and it sounds awesome. decently quiet but has a great tone when you get on it. i can imagine it would only sound better on the MS3.

[WRXD]

my buddy has the hks hi-power on his n/a 3 and it sounds awesome. decently quiet but has a great tone when you get on it. i can imagine it would only sound better on the MS3.

yeah the hi-power was developed to stay under 95db. Go find a video of one on a s2000 or a TL-s they sound incredible.

[WRXD]

I finally got around to installing and posting some pics of my Defi boost gauge mod--

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/On.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/Off.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/On3.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/On2.jpg

[justinlansdale]

wow what a perfect match...did that gauge fit right in the dash without modification? i love the tinted out look the defi's have.

[WRXD]

I had to dremel out the vent pretty good to make it fit-- so definitely modification required, but thanks.

[03.5MSP]

gauges look sick, I like how everything matches.

[Racersky]

dam I want to do that to mine but I don't want to lose an air vent lol

[scutzi128]

Nice man.

[justinlansdale]

i just saw another custom vent gauge pod go for like well over 200 dollars on ebay.

[sean3]

The gauge mount looks awesome man! Nice job.

[WRXD]

Look what came today!

TurboXS turboback
TurboXS CAI

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/WRXD/turboxs123.jpg

install and dyno graphs to come

[05 mazda6s]

Nice man thats sick late xmas gift. Where do you normally get your parts from anyway? Ever use therpmstore.com?

[WRXD]

I work at JSC Speed, so I get everything through them

[ozthunder]

Go to Exton tonight dawg

[scutzi128]

I thought you said you did not like how the turboxs sounded?

[scutzi128]

Go to Exton tonight dawg

Seriously go I wana see your car in person

[ozthunder]

Yea it's so close...cmon people, I wanna see one of these things in person!

[jh95zenki]

I can't wait to see those graphs

[turbo4g63]

Where is JSC speed?

nevermind...i saw their website. Don't you live in downingtown tho. thats a really far drive to get to work from here

[WRXD]

Go to Exton tonight dawg

I though we weren't meeting until it gets warmer..??

I plan on being a regular if we get the Tues. nights going.


I thought you said you did not like how the turboxs sounded?

yeah well, I got a nasty deal on this whole setup, so I will give it a go. If its too loud I will probably just get a muffler welded in somewhere.

Where is JSC speed?

nevermind...i saw their website. Don't you live in downingtown tho. thats a really far drive to get to work from here

its a bit of a hike but its all highway, so not much traffic..and I get to enjoy my P&S in the morning.

[jayrod16]

Nice setup there. I am getting rid of mine soon so no more mods for me :(

[WRXD]

Nice setup there. I am getting rid of mine soon so no more mods for me :(

:( why?

[jayrod16]

lol Payment is too high for me right now, in the process of getting my CDL license and working another part time job so money is VERY tight right now. I can get a decent car PLUS insurance for what my car payment is right now alone. Once I get my CDL and get a full time job I will def look back into getting another one though. Great car though :)

Know any1 lookin for a speed3? lol

[NOPSTNS]

serious gains to be had from cai and turboback.....im excited for ya bud!

my next mod if i were u would be a tune,
keep a close eye on A/F and fuel pressure especially. 1900 psi is a lot to keep watch on!

crack the computer, much fun is to be had!

[TimmahWRX]

love the turbo gauge and cant wait to see the exhaust setup!

[ozthunder]

Hey man, why don't you show at Exton tonight?

[WRXD]

love the turbo gauge and cant wait to see the exhaust setup!


where you been bro...you should come out to the Exton meets when they start happening again...

Hey man, why don't you show at Exton tonight?

I didn't realize that was actually happening...also I was in A/C for this whole weekend

[ozthunder]

It's cool. They will be happening from here on out it looks like.

[__owens__]

looks like the speed is coming along nicely man good for you ... drove one at work the other day. great car just for being stock couldnt imagine one with a few good mods and good work on that gauge job looks professional

[wishiwasturbod]

significantly faster---obviously not from a stop, but once you get rolling it keeps pulling and pulling. The torque delivery and smoothness of the motor is day and night from the wrx. It pulls hard even in 6th gear without downshifting. Simple I/E bolt ons are netting crazy performance increases on these cars as well, and cobb is working on an AccessPORT for it. I plan on doing a stock baseline dyno soon and updating power increases as I do bolt-on stuff to it. This car is going to be the next JSC Speed project car, so I will be updating the progress on it often.

I am definitely going to miss the incredible aftermarket support of the WRX and the community for sure.

I would really like to get next to a stock STi on the highway, just as a benchmark:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2-78hZlJfg

go watch that i think it should things into perspective. i like the MS3's but i love AWD and weathering conquering abilities alot more. those cars will be serious roll racers (like the srt-4's are). highway racing does get old tho (especially after the tickets get paid off and points get assessed to ur license :mad:)

[Tigawoods]

come out to some of the exton meets in the future, my friend wants to see a turbo'd version of his car haha

[WRXD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2-78hZlJfg

go watch that i think it should things into perspective. i like the MS3's but i love AWD and weathering conquering abilities alot more. those cars will be serious roll racers (like the srt-4's are). highway racing does get old tho (especially after the tickets get paid off and points get assessed to ur license :mad:)

Stoplight racing can get you just as many tickets...

I think the weather issue is a little overrated, at least in my area.

don't worry, I know what the MS3 is and what it isn't.

[WRXD]

come out to some of the exton meets in the future, my friend wants to see a turbo'd version of his car haha

if there is one this week I will make it a priority.