How fast is fast, how slow is slow?

[2Mopars1Ford]

What do you all consider fast with the 1/4 mile as a barometer?
(think something you drive all the time, not a weekend racer)
13 sec
12 sec
11 sec
10 sec etc?
At what point is a car slow 15, 16 seconds?
I think for me fast starts somewere in the 12s and slow is somewere in the 15's.

[sisforsurfing]

hmm...

I think of "slow" as 15.0 to 16.0, anything slower is... really slow. No offense to those people on here with <16 sec cars.

I consider a street driven car running mid 13's to mid 14's "quick," and a car in the low 13's consistently fast. That's on a street car. Then when you dip into the 11's on a street car, that's "really fast." 10's is certifiably insane, and can be claimed by very few.

hah, that was probably my most ridiculous sounding post ever. but yeah...

[doug]

I think any car stock that can run low 15's high 14's is pretty quick pocket rocket... low 14's to high 13's is fast... and anything in the 12's is sick fast, and 11's and below is just stupid fast.

[sisforsurfing]

Oh yeah, stock is different. Talking stock cars, I agree with doug totally. I was talking modified cars.

[doug]

Werd... modified cars dont run 15's... so lol... i wasnt thinking that.

You surf? me too..

[wgknestrick]

11s good modding

12s fast

13s quick

14s stock

15s (you brought that to the track?)


Much below 11s isn't much of a street car any more.

[the mike]

Anything that needs a cage to run is fast.

That being said though, I think that 12's are where I start calling a car fast. There are a ton of cars running 13's these days.
[aging self]when I was younger a 13 second Mustang was a real terror on the streets. Out hunting for Vette's and such. Now a days there are cars running 13's stock, from 4 cyls.[end aging].

A slow car is probably mid 15's and higher. I believe the person that runs a 15 second car is trying to see what that car can do, not get the most speed out of it. Or they are budget limited, and are working with what they have. Either way as long as the fact that they are not driving super cars is known to them, more power to them. I will respect that.

[99SL2_Modder]

Werd... modified cars dont run 15's... so lol... i wasnt thinking that.

15s (you brought that to the track?)

Ouch. Seriously. And yes, they do, when they're automatic econoboxes.

A slow car is probably mid 15's and higher. I believe the person that runs a 15 second car is trying to see what that car can do, not get the most speed out of it. Or they are budget limited, and are working with what they have. Either way as long as the fact that they are not driving super cars is known to them, more power to them. I will respect that.

Thank you. At least one person understands.

[04 Turbo Spec]

16's really slow
15's slow
14's quick
13's fast
12's and below really fast

[doug]

Werd... modified cars dont run 15's... so lol... i wasnt thinking that.

15s (you brought that to the track?)

Ouch. Seriously. And yes, they do, when they're automatic econoboxes.



Thank you. At least one person understands.

I don't consider them modified cars... i consider that pointless to mod :P

[99SL2_Modder]

Werd... modified cars dont run 15's... so lol... i wasnt thinking that.

15s (you brought that to the track?)

Ouch. Seriously. And yes, they do, when they're automatic econoboxes.



Thank you. At least one person understands.

I don't consider them modified cars... i consider that pointless to mod :P

=/ :bs: :furious:

[doug]

lol, why would I bs such a thing? :finga:

[Sincere]

my friends and i always have this same convo. just we say F'n fast. 15s + is slow, 13s = quick, 12s = fast, 11s and under = ****in FAST! :thumbup: IMO

[99SL2_Modder]

lol, why would I bs such a thing? :finga:

It's ok, nissans are pointless to mod as well. :finga:

[272sWrx]

wow, my car is considerd fast...YAY.

[UnderPoweredRS]

I ran 13.9 as the fastest in the RS and 14.2 consitantly with out killing the stock tranny. Is that fast I mean it is an RS after all.

[272sWrx]

your car is total hottness you should get the 22b wing on that...(you coming to chris for the fmic install?)

[doug]

lol, why would I bs such a thing? :finga:

It's ok, nissans are pointless to mod as well. :finga:

want to see my real car?

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/turbospecvee/album?.dir=6c9f&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http% 3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos%3f.scrumb=P/YYRyFhXF8

screw imports... i drive them for daily cars im a muscle car lover at heart.. so yeah my nissan is pretty pointless to mod, then again MOST imports are... except, skyline, supra, STI etc.... =)

btw thats an all original 69 Z/28 camaro with 43k original miles :P

[Driven]

Fast is relative to what your used to. If you have an 11 second car that you drive every single day, 11's are no longer all that fast to you.

To me for a street car:
12's = plenty fast for the avg "tuner"
11's = pretty quick
10's = fast, very few are still daily drivers
8's-9's = probably rarely street driven, but a damn fast street car.

Slow is relative too. 17's are slow to me, but for an SUV or a car that gets 40+mpg, its fine. A 15 second car can feel decent at times. I can respect anyone who takes a car out to the track though as long as you know your not the fastest thing out there.

I still remember bringing my car to the track and running 15.46 bone stock less than a week after I bought it. 3 years later and almost 4 seconds faster, my perception of a fast street car has changed some.

[99SL2_Modder]

lol, why would I bs such a thing? :finga:

It's ok, nissans are pointless to mod as well. :finga:

want to see my real car?

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/turbospecvee/album?.dir=6c9f&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http% 3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos%3f.scrumb=P/YYRyFhXF8

screw imports... i drive them for daily cars im a muscle car lover at heart.. so yeah my nissan is pretty pointless to mod, then again MOST imports are... except, skyline, supra, STI etc.... =)

btw thats an all original 69 Z/28 camaro with 43k original miles :P

I'm definitely an old muscle fan, but I'm not too big on Cammy's, but mad props for keeping that bugger cleannnn. Sick.

[2point4DSM]

screw imports... i drive them for daily cars im a muscle car lover at heart.. so yeah my nissan is pretty pointless to mod, then again MOST imports are... except, skyline, supra, STI etc.... =)

Funny how the DSMs weren't included in this list. Oh well.... :mrgreen:

Fast to me is anything that can keep up with my DSM, haha. Soon to be even faster... or pretty quick, *no cursing!* FAST, really fast, good modding, stupid fast, or sick fast. :mrgreen:

[Raven18940]

I can't tell whether my car is fast or not. I ran a 15.3, but it's way faster than the 1/4 mile time suggests. Stupid FWD, making me look bad. :(

[mostasteless]

14's- not a bad daily driver
13's- quick
12's- fast
11's- damn
10's- :prayer:

[2point4DSM]

I can't tell whether my car is fast or not. I ran a 15.3, but it's way faster than the 1/4 mile time suggests. Stupid FWD, making me look bad. :(

What was your mph? That should give you an indication of how fast it really is. Or to be more correct how well you could keep up on the highway with cars running faster ETs but similar MPH.

[Raven18940]

95.6

[Driven]

95.6

That was good for low 14's to high 13's on my car, but that was with low 1.8 60's. Most cars in that time range won't cut 60's that good.

[SexyDSM95]

95.6

That was good for low 14's to high 13's on my car, but that was with low 1.8 60's. Most cars in that time range won't cut 60's that good.
....for a 13.8 I trapped 100. For my last run to where I broke down 3/4 of the way I ran a 14.6 @ 96. I don't see how that trap speed could even equate to a high 13? :rolleyes:

[Driven]

http://people.clemson.edu/~nanthon/gsx/run_log.htm

Thats all of my runs up to like the second week I had the 14b on my car. I made way too many runs since then to update it again, maybe if I get bored enough this week, I'll work on it though.

Run 35 is a 13.96 at 95mph on the T25. Theres mid 13's at under 100mph on the T25 on there also (ex run 56).

[Raven18940]

Yeah, I had a 2.4 60' time :roll: stupid fwd :cry: Though it's half my fault as well, I'm not very good at this yet and the stock suspension is too soft for a good launch.

[PaleDSM]

Like said above what is fast is all relative to what you are used too. I remember going from a 1987 300zx which would probably run 17s to a stock talon and I thought the talon was fast. Turns out it only ran low 15s. Years late my talon runs 120 through the quarter and makes my low 15 second MR2 feel like a turd.

[SexyDSM95]

Run 35 is a 13.96 at 95mph on the T25. Theres mid 13's at under 100mph on the T25 on there also (ex run 56).
You are the first person I know to get into mid 13's on the T25.....people don't believe me when I tell them I ran 13.8 on it.

[PaleDSM]

Look up AllTurbo on DSMTalk. I believe he went low 13s on a T25.

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113622

[Driven]

Run 35 is a 13.96 at 95mph on the T25. Theres mid 13's at under 100mph on the T25 on there also (ex run 56).
You are the first person I know to get into mid 13's on the T25.....people don't believe me when I tell them I ran 13.8 on it.

I have a friend in SC that went 13.33 on it also. I was still really close to stock when I went 13.48 (safc, clutch, exhaust, boost controller and air filter is basically it). My friend had DSMLink, cams and a couple other things on top of what I had. He was between turbo's so he decided to make some passes. I think the T25 has 12's in it with the proper IC, proper tuning and some good driving. Maybe I'll put it back on my car after my next engine build for a couple passes.

[SexyDSM95]

That's crazy! I hope to accomplish close to the same on the 14b.

[2point4DSM]

Let Tony drive it :mrgreen:

[Driven]

Let Tony drive it :mrgreen:

;)

[nickmahhh]

think of my car as slow and all of your cars, fast :thumbup:

[smoger]

Slow is relative too. 17's are slow to me, but for an SUV or a car that gets 40+mpg, its fine.

well i can say in all certainty that while 17's may be "fine".. my 17 second car is NOT fast by any stretch of the imagination

[PSI Chick]

anything over 15s is slow and probably doesn't belong on a track. 14's are reasonable. 13's is pretty quick. 12 fast, and 11's damn quick.

my srt does consistant mid to low 12's, and that's with me blowing vacuum lines before the 330' on every run. if it stayed in one piece i should be in the 11's.

our mustang will be about a 9s street car (8-900 rwhp). and yes, i mean street car. it is being set up to run NMRA wild street (formerly true street) class. it will pass emissions, and get decent gas mileage too. it can be done.

[2Mopars1Ford]

Wow it seems alot of people have a very fine line between fast and slow.
I guess my buffer zone of 13-14 between my fast of 12 and slow of 15 is a wee bit large.

[UnderPoweredRS]

your car is total hottness you should get the 22b wing on that...(you coming to chris for the fmic install?)

Yes we work as a team to hack peoples cars :-)

[99SL2_Modder]

anything over 15s is slow and probably doesn't belong on a track.

And it's arrogant people like you that piss people like me off. I bet a lot of 15+ second cars could slam you in any road course you could pick...and you know what? That's a track too.

[Aaron]

You are taking these comments way too personally.

[272sWrx]

That's crazy! I hope to accomplish close to the same on the 14b.


i thought you had a 16g on your car?

[99SL2_Modder]

You are taking these comments way too personally.

NO I'M NOT! :finga:

But honestly, if you bring something to the track, it belongs there. I don't care if it's a 30 second International. You have the balls to bring it to a track...ANY kind of track, it belongs. Riced, modded, stock, whatever. If they bring it, it shouldn't be shunned off the track just because it runs 16's or 17's.

Most of the 9's guys give mad props to people that run 15's and up, because you're actually there trying to see if you can improve yourself and your car. People that have moved up from their 15 second or 13 second stock cars look down on the people that are just starting out there. It's almost as if they forgot where they started from.

And track racers wonder why no one goes to tracks anymore...arrogance makes them feel like crap. I got a ton of static when I brought the turd to the track, but once it was in staging, I got a ton of respect for even bringing it.

[272sWrx]

lol, i dont really see anyone giving respect nor making fun of anything at the track...

[99SL2_Modder]

lol, i dont really see anyone giving respect nor making fun of anything at the track...

I got a ton of underhood credit when it was cooling off (I love racing in +130* weather. Peoples ice wasn't even lasting long for cool downs).

If you talk to the people looking at your car, you can get good words and criticism.

Honestly, if someone says to my face that my car is crap, I'll just say "It still makes it down the quarter, and for those 10 seconds or less...I'm free.".

[272sWrx]

lol much much less hahahaha j/k

[99SL2_Modder]

lol much much less hahahaha j/k

I think you mean much much more. :p

[272sWrx]

yeah lol...im drunk open, bar at my friends house

[2point4DSM]

And track racers wonder why no one goes to tracks anymore....

I wish! Haha.

Nothing about your car or how fast anyone is but it seems whenever I've been to the track (except Turbotrix SO) it has always been crowded.

Wanna share what track and what days your talking about.

[Driven]

And track racers wonder why no one goes to tracks anymore....

I wish! Haha.

Nothing about your car or how fast anyone is but it seems whenever I've been to the track (except Turbotrix SO) it has always been crowded.

Wanna share what track and what days your talking about.

Only day's I can get any decent runs are when its like 33º out like the week before christmas. It's generally pretty empty then.

[PaleDSM]

That is exactly when I go. Just after they open up after Xmas break. You practically have the track to yourself.

And track racers wonder why no one goes to tracks anymore....

I wish! Haha.

Nothing about your car or how fast anyone is but it seems whenever I've been to the track (except Turbotrix SO) it has always been crowded.

Wanna share what track and what days your talking about.

Only day's I can get any decent runs are when its like 33º out like the week before christmas. It's generally pretty empty then.

[99SL2_Modder]

And track racers wonder why no one goes to tracks anymore....

I wish! Haha.

Nothing about your car or how fast anyone is but it seems whenever I've been to the track (except Turbotrix SO) it has always been crowded.

Wanna share what track and what days your talking about.

Gah, that's now how I meant it.

People rag on other people for racing only on the street, when they would probably go to the track if they didn't get talked down on from some track people. I know it's crowded as hell up at the tracks as is.

[272sWrx]

i love when it gets crowded..you really get to see what you could encounter on the street, what other peoples setups run. Its great!

[99SL2_Modder]

i love when it gets crowded..you really get to see what you could encounter on the street, what other peoples setups run. Its great!

So true. However, I don't like how somehow, I got pitted against a modded WS6 on the second run I ever made. :thumbdow:

[PSI Chick]

i guess that kinda came out wrong. i was really talking about these really slow cars that the owners "think" are fast until they get to a track. you know the type, tall all sorts of crap about how fast they are and can beat anything on the street and then run a 15 if they're lucky. there are a TON of those around here. hell last week i lined up against an integra and it ran a 21. a 21!!! i was on the return lane and he was just crossing the finish line. i have no idea what happened during that run, but guy couldn't talk his car up enough in the lanes.

around here there are a lot of owners that talk all sorts of crap about how fast they are and then either refuse to line up with you (happened to me last week. in the lanes, 4 cars were behind me in the last lane and all refused to line up) or line up and then make excuses. the absolute worst are those though that talk crap about their cars and will not take it to a track and put a number on it. got a lot of those around these parts as well.

i personally don't road race/autox at all, so i have no idea how my car does in that. i have friends that do, and they do pretty well at it. i'm planning on trying it out this season i just haven't had a chance to as the autox's are always on days when i have events or something else to do. i know that the srt isn't the greatest when it comes to this type of racing, but it's a hell of a lot better than people give it credit for.

[99SL2_Modder]

I can understand that one, all the way.

A 21? Daaaaaammmnn.

[272sWrx]

yeah.. lol..i saw that all the time crappy launches along with missing gears-a car the runs 16 normals runs 21's.

[2point4DSM]

No one wants to run slower than 15s or 16s so if anything goes wrong with a run they just cruise the rest of the way so they can say they were obviously not pushing the car at all.

[Nitro]

16's----You should have started out with a better car to begin with, even if it ran 16's stock

15's----Decent place to start with a stock ride, but don't leave it that slow!

14's----Good place to be with bolt-on's if you're all motor. You can keep up with alot of stuff on the street, even if you have your fair share of killed stories.

13's----Can beat most stuff on the street and if they're quicker, they'll at least give you props for being able to hang (especially if you own a car that started life as a 15 second slug)

12's----There's always someone faster, but usually, you show other's that that someone is you!

11's----Holy crap! That thing runs 11's?

10's----Holy crap! You still drive that on the street?

9's and better----- Can I have your babies?

[SRTREX]

15's - Real slow
14.5's or faster - Ok for a Daily driver
Low 13's - Quick car but there are so many now a days.
Low 12's - Fast car should be able to take most cars except crazy Motorheads
11's - Fast but still can be great for a daily driver
10's - Very fast, shouldn't have much competition on the street

[SpendOne]

I am SLOW!!!!!! 16 sec. runner here. I faced the fact that its slow so its ok. Once in awhile I get lucky and beat fast or ****in' fast cars.

[347gtvert]

hmm...

10's is certifiably insane, and can be claimed by very few.

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