911 Call...Pitbulls Kill Mom!!!

[05GT]

Searched and hope this is a repost...

Watch the vid...it has the 911 call from the 2 sons who call in.

It's shocking and sad. ****ing pitbulls.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=6308

[Kevin]

wow thats messed up.

I guess this is how murderers are reincarnated.

[05Accent]

thats why i dont like those dogs..
damn that sucks..

[drew]

it isn't the dogs it's the owner


pits cannot be left alone for long periods of time or kept in cages / kennels or anything. just like any other dog, when given a good home with love and attention they're great animals

[Scapegoat]

pitbulls are some of the most loyal of dog breeds. However, you have to take care of them and treat them properly. A pitbull isn't born with the urge to attack people, they're trained to... usually trained by neglect.

You can't blame an animal for being an animal and reacting like an animal. I can't hear the vid at work so I don't know the full story. But that woman could have beat the dog every day, yelled at it everyday for whatever, kicked it around, etc.

You do that to any dog, it will snap at some point and attack you. Further, I'd try to persuade anyone getting any kind of dog to take them to proper training sessions.. they're not expensive over at petsmart...

[NJGOAT]

Well, these pit were never brutalized in any fashion and were the loyal pets of the lady for years, they apparently just snapped one day. The issue with pits is that they are a naturally aggressive dog. That fact has led to people breeding them to be attack dogs for years. Any over-breeding reinforces both negative and positive traits. I have nothing against pits, but I wouldn't keep them in my home and most likely wouldn't let my kid be around them, they are dangerous. When I get a dog it will most likely be a mut.

[05suby]

it isn't the dogs it's the owner


pits cannot be left alone for long periods of time or kept in cages / kennels or anything. just like any other dog, when given a good home with love and attention they're great animals

exactly. all the pits that have been in my family have been nothing but nice. if you saw them you would be like "they are bitches" because of the pitbull reputation. everytime i go to my cousins house her 2 pits are more playful then any other dogs i have come into contact with. both of them get scared easily and coward away at times.

[05suby]

and i gaurentee if it was another dog, people would just be like it was a freak accident. but since its a pit its all over the news.

[grimm]

Stereotyping a dog breed is just as bad as stereotyping people.

[Kiel]

Stereotyping a dog breed is just as bad as stereotyping people.

Yeah well you wouldn't say that if you weren't such a Doberman :finga:

[Snoozie]

Stereotyping a dog breed is just as bad as stereotyping people.

Yeah well you wouldn't say that if you weren't such a Doberman :finga:

Its funny too. Dobermans are by far my favorite breed, they are respected but they are also used as fighting dogs. People are the ones who give these dogs a bad rep. They are naturally "athletic" dogs, but are subject to over breeding and ending up in the wrong care. I knew someone who had 2 pitbulls stolen right out of his yard and it can only be assumed that they were taken to be fighters.

I personaly dont care for pit bulls, but thats b/c of the way they look not b/c of their rep.

[ericnjttz]

those dogs are pieces of ****......the breed should wiped out

call me ****ed up but wheres michael vick when you need him...the dogs are only good for killing eachother

[grimm]

those dogs are pieces of ****......the breed should wiped out

call me ****ed up but wheres michael vick when you need him...the dogs are only good for killing eachother

I feel the same way about you. wheres hitler when you need him.
:screwy:

[TTsupra911]

so after listening to the video, I almost wanna say that these dogs where treated poorly or neglected. The fact that the son keeps saying dog and not using the name of th pitbull is interesting to me. Hell I know the names of friends dogs, and definatly know the name of my parents to dogs. I don't know something just doesn't seem quite right with this to blame it on the animal.

ohh and ericnjttz, I'm guessing you've never been around or for some reason didn't have a good experience with larger aggressive dogs. I grew up with Rotts, and it's the same story with them. However you would never have meet two more loyal and well behaved dogs ever. It's all about the owner.

[ericnjttz]

I feel the same way about you. wheres hitler when you need him.
:screwy:

im german guess its in the blood

on a serious note....if that was your mother lying there on the ground im sure you wouldnt be bumping uglies with the dogs would you?

i know if that was my mother and my family pets....i wouldnt hesitate a second to put a bullet between both their eyes

[ericnjttz]

so after listening to the video, I almost wanna say that these dogs where treated poorly or neglected. The fact that the son keeps saying dog and not using the name of th pitbull is interesting to me. Hell I know the names of friends dogs, and definatly know the name of my parents to dogs. I don't know something just doesn't seem quite right with this to blame it on the animal.

ohh and ericnjttz, I'm guessing you've never been around or for some reason didn't have a good experience with larger aggressive dogs. I grew up with Rotts, and it's the same story with them. However you would never have meet two more loyal and well behaved dogs ever. It's all about the owner.

i grew up with a rott a black lab and a border collie...ALL of which i love to death...but if anyone of them attacked my mother or any other innocent human i wouldnt hesitate to shoot them

[Scapegoat]

Michael Vick is the type of person that gives pit bulls a bad reputation.

Most pitbulls are the way they are because people like michael vick train them to be. They enhance their natural tendencies to be protective to the point where they become monsters.

You can raise a pitbull that is very friendly towards you, and still be a fighter... because they are loyal dogs.

You can't blame a breed... for a stereotype humans have forced onto the animal.

And just like humans, you have bad dogs and good dogs... across the breeds.

And for the record, if you condone fighting in any way, shape or form (ie: "where's michael vick when you need him") you're a piece of **** human being

[ericnjttz]

Michael Vick is the type of person that gives pit bulls a bad reputation.

Most pitbulls are the way they are because people like michael vick train them to be. They enhance their natural tendencies to be protective to the point where they become monsters.

You can raise a pitbull that is very friendly towards you, and still be a fighter... because they are loyal dogs.

You can't blame a breed... for a stereotype humans have forced onto the animal.

And just like humans, you have bad dogs and good dogs... across the breeds.

And for the record, if you condone fighting in any way, shape or form (ie: "where's michael vick when you need him") you're a piece of **** human being


i dont support fighting animals...nor michael vick. But you guys amaze me how you think dogs are on the same level as humans....a human life is worth more than a dogs life

[Scapegoat]

for the record, I too would not hesitate to put a family pet down if it attacked a family member. But on the same note, I wouldn't hesitate to protect a family pet from a family member either.

I've had to put my little brother to the ground and yell at him for swinging a large branch at my mom's dog.

Equal respect given to humans and pets... they're both family members

[Scapegoat]

i dont support fighting animals...nor michael vick. But you guys amaze me how you think dogs are on the same level as humans....a human life is worth more than a dogs life

most of the time... no...

a human that treats a dog like ****, deserves to be treated the same way. You want to fight your dogs... I want to put you in a cage with another human being on PCP... good luck with that...

[grimm]

Michael Vick is the type of person that gives pit bulls a bad reputation.

Most pitbulls are the way they are because people like michael vick train them to be. They enhance their natural tendencies to be protective to the point where they become monsters.

You can raise a pitbull that is very friendly towards you, and still be a fighter... because they are loyal dogs.

You can't blame a breed... for a stereotype humans have forced onto the animal.

And just like humans, you have bad dogs and good dogs... across the breeds.

And for the record, if you condone fighting in any way, shape or form (ie: "where's michael vick when you need him") you're a piece of **** human being

well that seems to go without saying in his case.


Oh and it's not in the blood it's just in your head. But life must be pretty easy for you, all you gotta do is blame a race or breed or nationality for your problems...

[ericnjttz]

thats like saying if your house was on fire and you could only save your little brother or your dog.....you would actually have to think about it?

you guys are hilarious....you can buy a dog at the pet store....try buying a new little brother there

[Scapegoat]

Oh and it's not in the blood it's just in your head. But life must be pretty easy for you, all you gotta do is blame a race or breed or nationality for your problems...

that makes no sense....

[ericnjttz]

that makes no sense....


???? huh

[Scapegoat]

thats like saying if your house was on fire and you could only save your little brother or your dog.....you would actually have to think about it?

you guys are hilarious....you can buy a dog at the pet store....try buying a new little brother there

Not at all... equal respect for animals and humans... that doesn't mean I'm going to grab the dog first then my brother.

But I also trust the dog to run away from the fire due to natural instincts while my brother would be too scared to do much of anything. But I can promise that if I had gotten my brother out of the building I would go back for the dog...

[Scapegoat]

???? huh

what? grimm wasn't making any sense if he was talking about me. He quoted me, so I assume he was... :o

[ericnjttz]

what? grimm wasn't making any sense if he was talking about me. He quoted me, so I assume he was... :o

nah he was talking about me....but it still doesnt make sense

[grimm]

thats like saying if your house was on fire and you could only save your little brother or your dog.....you would actually have to think about it?

you guys are hilarious....you can buy a dog at the pet store....try buying a new little brother there

it's easy to consider something silly when you are to ignorant to understand it. But then again I'm also not a racisit so I wouldn't know.

[grimm]

nah he was talking about me....but it still doesnt make sense

your a racisit what don't you get?

[ericnjttz]

your a racisit what don't you get?

by law...im not a racist....all humans are equal NOT DOGS

Legal definition

According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of .............human rights............. and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life." [2] This definition does not make any difference between prosecutions based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the ethnicity and race remains debatable among anthropologists [3] According to British law, racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin" [8].



DOGS ARE NOT HUMANS, AND IF YOU THINK THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS, YOURE AN IDIOT

[Willdue]

it isn't the dogs it's the owner


pits cannot be left alone for long periods of time or kept in cages / kennels or anything. just like any other dog, when given a good home with love and attention they're great animals


i hate when people say that its the Pits. Its the damn owners, they raise them wrong, and sometimes get them after there already of mature age. You have to raise them from berth. I had one. they can be the most loyal dogs you can ask for.

[grimm]

equal rights has nothing to do with the fact you stated that you hate an entire breed because of the breed. Not the individuals that make it up. Candy coat it all you want. But thats discrimination any way you flip the coin.

Ok i'm done wasting my time on ignorant children.

[ericnjttz]

equal rights has nothing to do with the fact you stated that you hate an entire breed because of the breed. Not the individuals that make it up. Candy coat it all you want. But thats discrimination any way you flip the coin.

Ok i'm done wasting my time on ignorant children.

yep discrimination against DOGS....lets see that one land me in prison...i guess thats why states and countries have bans on pitbulls, are they racist too?...NO THEYRE SMART

you can rise on your PETA thrown all you want but what it comes down to is that pitbulls are known to be nasty and if wiping out the breed OF DOGS will stop the killing of humans and other harmless animals....then my vote is in

yah you're done wasting your time because you have no argument

[Scapegoat]

pitbulls are known to be nasty and if wiping out the breed OF DOGS will stop the killing of humans and other harmless animals....then my vote is in

right... but its the human that trains the dog to be nasty and to kill...

so shouldn't we start at the source?

While were on that subject, humans are killing humans... and they're doing that because they are being raised and trained to do it, to hate, to discriminate. You train/raise a human to do that... they're gonna raise their dog the same way, their children the same way.

Its not the dogs fault, its the humans. You don't blame the circus elephant for going on a wild stomp, you blame the animal trainer for treating the animal poorly.

[ericnjttz]

right... but its the human that trains the dog to be nasty and to kill...

so shouldn't we start at the source?

While were on that subject, humans are killing humans... and they're doing that because they are being raised and trained to do it, to hate, to discriminate. You train/raise a human to do that... they're gonna raise their dog the same way, their children the same way.

Its not the dogs fault, its the humans. You don't blame the circus elephant for going on a wild stomp, you blame the animal trainer for treating the animal poorly.

i see your argument but it comes back down to dogs and humans and the logic of things, I think congress would pass a genocide on pitbulls before they pass it on pitbull trainers...dont you? and thats the way it should be

it is a shame...that even the innocent pits have to suffer because of the bad rep...but thats just the way it is

[Scapegoat]

i see your argument but it comes back down to dogs and humans and the logic of things, I think congress would pass a genocide on pitbulls before they pass it on pitbull trainers...dont you? and thats the way it should be

it is a shame...that even the innocent pits have to suffer because of the bad rep...but thats just the way it is


right... weren't you just saying the entire breed was bad and should be destroyed...

as for the rest of your post... what kind of logic says "destroy the animal that we're training to be violent"

As we speak the fed's are breaking down dog fighting rings and arresting the owners. Unfortunately the dogs are too violent and are unable to be retrained and have to be put down. Personally, I think the owners deserve the same treatment as a lot of them are unable to be retrained and are too violent...

[ericnjttz]

right... weren't you just saying the entire breed was bad and should be destroyed...

as for the rest of your post... what kind of logic says "destroy the animal that we're training to be violent"

As we speak the fed's are breaking down dog fighting rings and arresting the owners. Unfortunately the dogs are too violent and are unable to be retrained and have to be put down. Personally, I think the owners deserve the same treatment as a lot of them are unable to be retrained and are too violent...

my original post may have been misleading....the entire breed may not be bad, but if wiping them all out solves the problem im all for it.

The logic behind it is you have 2 options
1. destroy the breed known to be aggressive and kill
2. or destroy the trainers who make this dogs that way, (which is only part of them problem) pits are aggressive by nature.

Yes those trainers deserve to be put in jail but see theyre people, they get lawyers and trials. these ARE people though they may be firefighters, police officers, NFL stars or just gang bangers. But until they kill another human they have more right in society than the dog.

dogs dont pay taxes, dogs dont teach school, dogs dont work 9-5 to feed a family...theyre JUST dogs

and i know you guys are thinking "this guy is heartless, has no heart for animals blah blah" thats not true but a human life is FAR more important to me than a dogs...nasty or not

and personally how you feel the dog trainers should be treated isnt how it works....theyll get what 10 years in prison tops....
now if those people where raping and beating children, or just plain killing people...thats when the real punishment comes because humans run society not dogs

[importpower99]

Pitbulls were created for fighting, thats why I would never get one. Although inexprienced dog owners don't help either. I

[dragonfly2k3]

rofl, clearly the family deserved it. They were not nice to these dogs, not even a little. Any owner who calls their dog "dog" is being verbally abusive. I have never even by accident called any of my pets dog, or cat, or fish. They have names, i wouuld walk up to one of my friends and call then person.

[95TurboDC2]

it isn't the dogs it's the owner


pits cannot be left alone for long periods of time or kept in cages / kennels or anything. just like any other dog, when given a good home with love and attention they're great animals

thank you!! if people would just give them a chance and give them the attention and love they want, then they are fine. couple of my friends have them and they would hump u before they bite you. they wag their tails so hard their whole body moves. i would get a pit before any other dog. but thats my opinon. what about doberman pinchers?? there are "guard" dogs. suppose to so mean that they scare people away from what they are guarding. what about rotweilers?? there big and mean. but its all in how you raise them and how much attention you pay to them.

[05suby]

yep discrimination against DOGS....lets see that one land me in prison...i guess thats why states and countries have bans on pitbulls, are they racist too?...NO THEYRE SMART

you can rise on your PETA thrown all you want but what it comes down to is that pitbulls are known to be nasty and if wiping out the breed OF DOGS will stop the killing of humans and other harmless animals....then my vote is in

yah you're done wasting your time because you have no argument

so then i guess we should start wiping out humans too since you know we kill other humans too. stop saying its just pitbulls. you are an idiot. its the owner that makes them that way and its the media that makes them seem more violent then they are. i guarentee that if the media started coming out and saying that little beagels are vicious and are killer dogs and had news stories about them doing so, people in this country would **** themselves and be scared. all because they are mostly used in dog fights people think they are vicious. stop being a ****ing sheep to the media. its the owner that makes them violent and any dog can be violent dumbass.

[importpower99]

thank you!! if people would just give them a chance and give them the attention and love they want, then they are fine. couple of my friends have them and they would hump u before they bite you. they wag their tails so hard their whole body moves. i would get a pit before any other dog. but thats my opinon. what about doberman pinchers?? there are "guard" dogs. suppose to so mean that they scare people away from what they are guarding. what about rotweilers?? there big and mean. but its all in how you raise them and how much attention you pay to them.
Dobermans, and rottweilers are different then pitbulls, pitbulls sole purpose fro creation was to fight. So they would be natuarlly more aggressive then the other two. But people do play a role in a dog's behavior, i just don't believe it's 100% their fault.

[Kevin]

rofl, clearly the family deserved it. They were not nice to these dogs, not even a little. Any owner who calls their dog "dog" is being verbally abusive. I have never even by accident called any of my pets dog, or cat, or fish. They have names, i wouuld walk up to one of my friends and call then person.

The guy sounded like a complete retard for 21. I mean who calls a dog, dog?

[05suby]

i see your argument but it comes back down to dogs and humans and the logic of things, I think congress would pass a genocide on pitbulls before they pass it on pitbull trainers...dont you? and thats the way it should be

it is a shame...that even the innocent pits have to suffer because of the bad rep...but thats just the way it is

please i think congress should be wiped out before pitbulls. bunch of money hungry thieves. they should stop worrying about pitbulls and start figuring out how to solve the problem of gas prices. oh wait that wont happen cause they all love big business and what is one of the biggest big businesses, oil companies. so they shouldnt even get involved in this **** and people should stop being so scared of pits. my dog is half pit half black lab. so if someone comes to my house to try and put her down cause she is half pit they wont be leaving alive.

[ericnjttz]

please i think congress should be wiped out before pitbulls. bunch of money hungry thieves. they should stop worrying about pitbulls and start figuring out how to solve the problem of gas prices. oh wait that wont happen cause they all love big business and what is one of the biggest big businesses, oil companies. so they shouldnt even get involved in this **** and people should stop being so scared of pits. my dog is half pit half black lab. so if someone comes to my house to try and put her down cause she is half pit they wont be leaving alive.


i tried to read your responses, but your sentence structure and grammar made my attempt fail.

Killing humans and killing dogs are two different things. If there was a pitbull ban and they came for your dog, there wouldnt be a damn thing you could do about it. And saying the people wouldnt leave alive, yeah well that would just land you life in prison tough guy

you must be a michael moore lover

[Kevin]

I have been afraid of aggressive dogs my whole life, but not so bad now a days.

When I was 2 I got my nose ripped off by a doberman for playing with it's toy. But I believe that the owner was indeed a psycho bitch and probably did treat the dogs with neglect. Not sure though.

Aggressive dogs, I think, should only be purchased by rightful owners.

[05GT]

The guy sounded like a complete retard for 21. I mean who calls a dog, dog?

Honestly, I think you guys might not be looking at it right...
I mean, come on, his mother was lying on the ground covered in blood. You're upset, scared, you don't know what happened...perhaps he just wasn't thinking right. It's something tramatic going on, who's to say how they would react.

[05suby]

i tried to read your responses, but your sentence structure and grammar made my attempt fail.

Killing humans and killing dogs are two different things. If there was a pitbull ban and they came for your dog, there wouldnt be a damn thing you could do about it. And saying the people wouldnt leave alive, yeah well that would just land you life in prison tough guy

you must be a michael moore lover

1. this isnt english class, its the internet.
2. bull **** i wouldnt do anything. that dog is apart of my family. i think the gov't has better things to do with their time then to worry about dogs because of stupid ass owners.

michael moore has some good points but i dont pay attention to him.

[ericnjttz]

1. this isnt english class, its the internet.
2. bull **** i wouldnt do anything. that dog is apart of my family. i think the gov't has better things to do with their time then to worry about dogs because of stupid ass owners.

michael moore has some good points but i dont pay attention to him.

you might do something, but it would land you in prison.

you're right the government has a lot more to worry about, but on the point of dog attacks getting rid of pitbulls would decrease the attacks a significant amount. Go on wikipedia and look at how many states and countries have certain laws against this ONE breed of dog.

[05suby]

you might do something, but it would land you in prison.

you're right the government has a lot more to worry about, but on the point of dog attacks getting rid of pitbulls would decrease the attacks a significant amount. Go on wikipedia and look at how many states and countries have certain laws against this ONE breed of dog.

ive seen that before and again its because of the media. i guarantee if the media started coming out saying that beagals are vicious and kill humans, people would be scared of them. like i said ive been around pitbulls and they are the nicest dogs i have ever met. i do agree that if a pitbull or any dog for that matter kills a human they should be shot, but wiping out a whole breed because of bad owners is dumb.

[Scapegoat]

1. destroy the breed known to be aggressive and kill


humans are known to be aggressive and kill...

what don't you get about humans being the problem here? Pitbulls were NOT created to fight. They were created to survive... actually they evolved to survive.

They are and always will be a strong headed, loyal, tough, animal. It is humans that turned them into aggressive fighters. I highly doubt that if the human equation was removed from the pitbull, that pitbulls would be organizing fights amongst themselves... that is something people do.

dogs dont pay taxes, dogs dont teach school, dogs dont work 9-5 to feed a family...theyre JUST dogs

thats the goddamn point we've been arguing... a pitbull is just a dog, they don't become monsters unless trained by a monster... the animal is OUR responsibility. We've taken on that responsibility when we took them out of the wild thousands of years ago and began to train them for our needs.

Dobermans, and rottweilers are different then pitbulls, pitbulls sole purpose for creation was to fight. So they would be naturally more aggressive then the other two.

no... just no... dobermans and rottweilers have been used for the same exact thing pitbulls have been used for. Fighting, protection, fear, etc.

Humans took the natural tendencies of these dogs and enhanced them through training.

[05suby]

humans are known to be aggressive and kill...

what don't you get about humans being the problem here? Pitbulls were NOT created to fight. They were created to survive... actually they evolved to survive.

They are and always will be a strong headed, loyal, tough, animal. It is humans that turned them into aggressive fighters. I highly doubt that if the human equation was removed from the pitbull, that pitbulls would be organizing fights amongst themselves... that is something people do.

100% agree to this.

[Kevin]

Nevermind. The doberman that attacked me was treated with care. Never neglected. I guess it was just a bad egg.

Also remember that not all of these aggressive dogs attack because of bad owners. That can't be the sole reason. Can it?

[Signatus230]

That is horrible. Things like this can't be blamed on a breed, or a race, they are just events caused by something else. Dogs are instinctual animals, no matter how hard you train them. If they perceive a threat to them, they will react in some shape or form. Since humans take dogs as pets, they end up reacting to threats according to their humans training (or lack-thereof).

Ignorant people (racists) sometimes label other racial groups in similar ways that people label dog breeds. Take the Nazi's for instance, what did they do? Killed millions of Jews between the years of 1938-1945. They destroyed their country, and their way of life. Now its more then 60 years later, people remember the Nazi's, but they do not label all germans as Nazi's (except for the ignorant people).

Now why should anyone label all pitbulls as horrific dogs, that are brutal and savage the moment they open their eyes? If your opinion is such, so be it, but do not go out of your way to attack other people for stating their opinions either.

[05suby]

kev, that is almost 100% of the time the case. out of all of the stories that ive heard, there is about maybe 5 that the dog was treated right, never neglected.

[ericnjttz]

its funny how this whole argument would be changed if that was your mother lying on the ground

[05suby]

i think the dog didnt realize what it had done. it then attacked the son on instinct to protect the mother thinking the son was going to hurt her. that is just my interpretation of the son being attacked since the dogs wouldnt allow him near her. just sounds like thats what the dog was doing.

[05suby]

its funny how this whole argument would be changed if that was your mother lying on the ground

yea but the point is that any good sized dog can do this to a human. not just a pitbull.

[ericnjttz]

i think the dog didnt realize what it had done. it then attacked the son on instinct to protect the mother thinking the son was going to hurt her. that is just my interpretation of the son being attacked since the dogs wouldnt allow him near her. just sounds like thats what the dog was doing.

that is honestly the stupidest post in this thread....the reason it attacked the mother was beacause...its a vicious dog that should and now will be put down....and the reason it attacked the son was because it was a vicious dog that should and will now be put down....

[Kevin]

that is honestly the stupidest post in this thread....the reason it attacked the mother was beacause...its a vicious dog that should and now will be put down....and the reason it attacked the son was because it was a vicious dog that should and will now be put down....

Honestly, none of us even know the details in the story. All we know is that a dog attacked a lady then her son. We don't know as of now if the dogs were neglected or not. I'm sure that they will be investigating that.

[95TurboDC2]

that is honestly the stupidest post in this thread....the reason it attacked the mother was beacause...its a vicious dog that should and now will be put down....and the reason it attacked the son was because it was a vicious dog that should and will now be put down....

you have no idea it was a vicious dog. you automatically think that its a vicious dog becuase it says "pit" in the title. it could have been vicious but there could have been something that set the dog off. one of my friends was bit in the face by a dog and wasnt a "pit". its how you bring the dog up. plain and simple there good dogs when you raise them right.

[05suby]

that is honestly the stupidest post in this thread....the reason it attacked the mother was beacause...its a vicious dog that should and now will be put down....and the reason it attacked the son was because it was a vicious dog that should and will now be put down....

yea i guess that was since dogs do that sometimes. ive seen where dogs try to run while on a leash and hurt their owner and then not let anyone near them in fear of something happening. that could have been the case with the son being attack. again not all pits are vicious so your posts are pretty dumb at times too smart guy.

[05suby]

just continue to be narrow minded. not all pits are like this and cmr076 thank you for that post.

[cmr076]

^ ABSOLUTELY. i just hate the Rep these dogs have. theres so many pitbull "attacks" compared to other dogs because if a "sweet" golden retriever bites someone it was an accident and i can almost guarentee goes unreported. its only when an "agressive" dog bites someone theres a huge commotion. its just bull****

[ericnjttz]

^ ABSOLUTELY. i just hate the Rep these dogs have. theres so many pitbull "attacks" compared to other dogs because if a "sweet" golden retriever bites someone it was an accident and i can almost guarentee goes unreported. its only when an "agressive" dog bites someone theres a huge commotion. its just bull****

what ever you need to tell yourself to sleep better at night

but pits are vicious, sure some are trained not to be but they are naturally vicious dogs and shouldnt exsist.

and im sure yours is a perfect angel, but when it attacks and kills your mom, lets see what you say then

"ohhhhh but my dog would never do that" and im sure the lady in her yard with these 2 pits thought hers would

[cmr076]

my chihiuaua is more agressive than my pit. shes just not big enough to hurt anyone. should she be put down too because of how agressive and overprotective of me and my family she is? i guess i just dont understand how you could justify getting rid of an entire "race" of dog due to what a few do.

[ericnjttz]

my chihiuaua is more agressive than my pit. shes just not big enough to hurt anyone. should she be put down too because of how agressive and overprotective of me and my family she is? i guess i just dont understand how you could justify getting rid of an entire "race" of dog due to what a few do.

A FEW?????????

theres laws in certain states and countries banning pitbulls, you have a hard time getting your house in sured in NJ if you own one...

these are results of the actions of more than a FEW pitbulls

[05suby]

^ ABSOLUTELY. i just hate the Rep these dogs have. theres so many pitbull "attacks" compared to other dogs because if a "sweet" golden retriever bites someone it was an accident and i can almost guarentee goes unreported. its only when an "agressive" dog bites someone theres a huge commotion. its just bull****

agreed as i posted almost the same thing earlier.

[cmr076]

A FEW?????????

theres laws in certain states and countries banning pitbulls, you have a hard time getting your house in sured in NJ if you own one...

these are results of the actions of more than a FEW pitbulls

i also think that any popular dog is going to show up in statistics more thank other dogs.

[ericnjttz]

i also think that any popular dog is going to show up in statistics more thank other dogs.

please rephrase i didnt understand....seriously

[cmr076]

please rephrase i didnt understand....seriously

because theres so many pits, obviously theres going to be more attacks involving them.

[05suby]

no pitbulls show up more because pitbulls attack more...why is that so hard to grasp?

because bites from your so called "nice" dogs most likely go down as accidents. thats why. but im leaving. ill be back to check on your grammer posts later mr. english teacher.

[ericnjttz]

because theres so many pits, obviously theres going to be more attacks involving them.

im saying this with no statistics or numbers supporting it but i would imagine there are plenty of breeds with the same amount as pitbulls

[cmr076]

im saying this with no statistics or numbers supporting it but i would imagine there are plenty of breeds with the same amount as pitbulls

so your saying we should get rid of all of these breeds? or just single out the pit? or am i mis-reading?

[ericnjttz]

so your saying we should get rid of all of these breeds? or just single out the pit? or am i mis-reading?

mis-reading

you said pitbulls are solely named because they have a great population, i was just saying that there are plenty breeds of dogs with the same population that dont attack

[cmr076]

People who own am staf terriers know they are sweet dogs. You can train any dog to kill if you beat it and neglect it and basically treat it like "your gonna fight or im gonna **** you up" what options do they have when there at the mercy of horrible heartless people? You cant breed hate into a dog.when a baby or anything else is born, they are at the mercy of the owners or parents. rapists, murderers and pedophiles generally had "issues @ home" charles manson is a perfect example.Do you really think he was bred to be so ****ed up? or was he just exposed to stuff no child/dog should be when he` was impressionable?

[cmr076]

mis-reading

you said pitbulls are solely named because they have a great population, i was just saying that there are plenty breeds of dogs with the same population that dont attack

i agree, HOWEVER the mistreatment of pits far outweighs that of lets say... a lab

[ericnjttz]

People who own am staf terriers know they are sweet dogs. You can train any dog to kill if you beat it and neglect it and basically treat it like "your gonna fight or im gonna **** you up" what options do they have when there at the mercy of horrible heartless people? You cant breed hate into a dog.when a baby or anything else is born, they are at the mercy of the owners or parents. rapists, murderers and pedophiles generally had "issues @ home" charles manson is a perfect example.Do you really think he was bred to be so ****ed up? or was he just exposed to stuff no child/dog should be when he` was impressionable?

you're right...theres plenty of ****ed up people in this world. and those people are punished.

its to the point where the whole pitbull bloodline is almost ****ed with bad blood and fighting genes. trainers have a lot to do with this, but it is also proven that they are vicious by nature

you really cant compare people to pitbulls though, look at it this way...terrorists in the middle east some people just want to nuke the whole middle east and be done with it, but it doesnt work that way with people.

Its different pitbulls are just dogs, you may love them like a human but at the end of the day they are just dogs, with a majority of them being vicious. if the breed was wiped out it wouldnt be a national tragedy, it would be forgotten in weeks

[cmr076]

this dog is banned in north dakota, looks VICIOUS

http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/720/72036699966cce60621bf12ab5f80d0989a7a0.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=720366&showlnk=0)

[05GT]

You can train any dog to kill if you beat it and neglect it

Does that statement include the teacup chihuahuas? :lol:

[cmr076]

that bitch is vicious! ask LJ she went after him haha

http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/720/720424c6a0a88aac77449e2ce49e64205a7ba3.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=720424&showlnk=0)

[TROLL]

time to stop being stereotypical 'car guys' please...

edit: i'm asking some people to stop acting immature and overly aggressive. is that more clear?

[cmr076]

time to stop being stereotypical 'car guys' please...

?????

[05suby]

haha sorry troll.

but ericnjttz i have a scenario for you, cmr sorry for using you lol:


ok say cmr is taking his pit out for a walk and a mugger comes up and the pit attacks him. the mugger can be killed or injured, your choice. i guarantee the pit will get a lot of **** for this and be put to sleep even though it was brought up right and was never trained to kill or harm anyone.

now say a golden retriever, in the same situation, decides to be loyal and defend his owner. the gr kills or injures the mugger (again your choice). i guarantee the gr would be a hero for saving his owner from being attacked.

it’s all because of the name and how people perceive dogs.

[cmr076]

^^ funny story, me and my girl were walking cali and her jack russel in the park last week at like 9ish (totally dark out) there was a shady SUV with two guys sitting on the tailgate. as we walked past they got up, put their hoods up, hands in pockets and quickly walked up behind us.
im a firm believer that a dog can pick up on the way their handler feels. obviously i was anxious and nervous, cali also got anxious and as the guys came up on us, cali stopped in her tracks, stood in front of me and my girl and her dog obviously protecting us (including her tiny jack russel) and got in the well known "pit stance" head down, legs apart shoulders forward and with one bark, the guys stopped in their tracks and walked back to their car. we continued walking and the shady SUV slowly rolled past us.
im 100% positive had cali not been with us we would have been mugged. she did her job, she protected me, had these guys came up on us with bats i can 100% without a doubt in my mind guarentee she would have died protecting us.

its scary and sad, had the muggers came up on us and attacked us, and cali in turn attacked them defending us i would have been sued and shewould have been put down because she was being a good dog.

[05suby]

and thats what pits that are not abused do. they protect their owners. i just hope ericnjttz can realize that all because of some bad ones, there are more good and the whole breed shouldnt have to suffer.

and yes im going to man up, ericnjttz sorry for being immature and calling you a name. just heat of the moment.

[importpower99]

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!, Scapegoat you said something completly wrong. Pitbulls in fact, was a breed created to be aggressive and made to fight, and that is a fact. They were created in england, so anyone saying that are just a normal dog, they are not. They were breed to be killers.
The chow chow, that someone else posted was high on the list in dog Fatalities, in the 80's. Sure it may look cute and cuddly, but it's not. I can't find the website that list America's dog fatalities, when i do i'll post.
And guess what pitbulls are number one on the list for most human fatalities. And someone said that only pitbulls get reported, you are also wrong, as long as you go to the hospital it will be reported.
And my final question.......How many dogs do you know of that will break into a strangers house and attack them for no reason?
(believe it or not, thats a true story about a pitbull).

[2drStunner]

I didnt read all 5 pages and dont care to, I have a pit and im lopsided on this subject. A well trained pit is one of if not the best dog you can own! There smart, loyal and most of the time they think there lap dogs. :mrgreen: Yes if there mean or somehow turn mean, sure they should be put down in a blink of a eye but lets remember that pits arent the only dogs that attack!

[Scapegoat]

The following is from wikipedia on america pit bull terriers, the most common of our vicious "pit bulls"

APBTs were never bred for human aggression or guarding behavior; generally they only will attack if they perceive an immediate threat to their masters or families rather than seeing every person as an intruder upon their territory. They were originally bred against human aggression because in the pit fighting days the handlers had to be able to handle their dogs as well as treat their wounds, and if necessary, quickly pull the dog out of a fight for various reasons. Any dog that did show the slightest sign of human aggression in that day was 'culled', and therefore, not allowed to carry on its bloodline. For that reason stable examples of the breed are generally not suitable as guard dogs. It is important that APBTs who display any sign of human aggression are not bred, in order to preserve the stable and friendly nature of the breed, and equally important that man aggressive dogs are never kept.

When treated well, APBTs typically have sunny personalities. They are very sweet, curious, intelligent, and clownish. They are noted for their outgoing, affectionate, eager-to-please disposition and their fondness for people. They adore attention, often relishing the company of humans and are notorious for their loyalty to their masters, even giving their lives for them. When raised with a firm but fair hand an APBT can make a wonderful family pet, however, APBTs can also be stubborn and prone to display aggression towards other dogs. Thus, they should not be the first choice of dog for a novice dog owner.

Originally bred from bull-and-terrier crosses brought to America from England and Ireland in the 1800s, they were dog created for the sport of bull-baiting. As that became illegal, owners moved onto dogfighting, which was much easier to organize and conceal than bullbaiting.

Out of the 25 dogs who have earned UKC "superdog" status (by gaining championship titles in conformation, obedience, agility, and weightpull), fourteen have been pit bulls.

This breed is also often the most common target of dog abuse in urban areas. Outside of dog fighting and guarding property, the APBTs have been found beaten, starved, burned, mutilated, and mistreated to make them particularly aggressive.

the amstaff(looks nearly identical to an APBT):
These dogs should be courageous, tenacious, friendly, extremely attentive, and extraordinarily devoted. Originally an all-around farm dog, hunter, and family companion, American Staffordshire Terriers are highly stable around both children and other domesticated animals.

American Staffordshire Terriers are most often put into a group of dogs named 'pit bulls'.

[Scapegoat]

time and time again we humans place our hatred and disdain on something WE created.

No animal is created to kill and fight. They evolved to survive. We humans take those traits to survive and warp them through breeding and training.

Take a walk through the SPCA and count the pitbulls there... hell take a few of them out to play with. They've all been temperment tested and are usually some of the sweetest dogs. Most of the dogs you see in there have been neglected, not beaten, not used for fighting.

Instead of damning the entire breed, go interact with a few of them. My girlfriend was extremely afraid of pits until we ran into some "breed representatives" at a local pet store. They were the sweetest dogs I've ever met, and both were rescues.

[importpower99]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_BullThe sport of dog fighting, which could be carried out under clandestine measures, blossomed. Since Bulldogs proved too ponderous and uninterested in dog fighting, the Bulldogs were crossed to English White and Black and Tan Terriers. They were also bred to be intelligent and level-headed during fights and remain non-aggressive toward their handlers. Part of the standard for organized dog-fighting required that the match referee who is unacquainted with the dog be able to enter the ring, pick up a dog while it was engaged in a fight, and get the respective owner to carry it out of the ring without being bitten. Dogs that bit the referee were culled.
As a result, Victorian fighting dogs (Staffordshire Bull Terriers and, though less commonly used as fighters, English Bull Terriers) generally had stable temperaments and were commonly kept in the home by the gambling men who owned them.
A blue-nose American Pit Bull TerrierDuring the mid-1800s, immigration to the United States from Ireland and England brought an influx of these dogs to America, mainly to Boston, where they were bred to be larger and stockier, working as farm dogs in the West as much as fighting dogs in the cities. The resulting breed, also called the American Pit Bull Terrier, became known as an "all-American" dog. Pit bull type dogs became popular as family pets for citizens who were not involved in dog-fighting or farming.

You probably should have posted this to for wikipedia
A study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medicine Association in September, 2000 reports that in the 20 years studied (1979 to 1998) "Pit-bull type dogs" and Rottweilers were involved in one half of approximately 300 dog bite related fatalities in the US[2]. Another study of American and Canadian dog bite related fatalities from September 1982 to November 2006 produced similar results, reporting that Pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% fatal dog attacks[3]. This study also noted: "Of the breeds most often involved in incidents of sufficient severity to be listed, pit bull terriers are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children." and "They are also notorious for attacking seemingly without warning, a tendency exacerbated by the custom of docking pit bulls' tails so that warning signals are not easily recognized
These caveats notwithstanding, a CDC study detailing dog bite related fatalities in the US between 1979 and 1998 reveals that roughly one-third were caused by Pit Bull type dogs. The highest number of attacks (118) were by Pit Bull type dogs, the next highest being Rottweilers at 67. The full report can be accessed at
Rottweilers fatal attacks will be higher because they are commonly used as guard dogs.(I grew up in New york). And if you feel the need to sneak into the junkyard after hours to steal an oil filter, then it's your own fault.

[cmr076]

importpower99;720216]Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!, Scapegoat you said something completly wrong. Pitbulls in fact, was a breed created to be aggressive and made to fight, and that is a fact. They were created in england, so anyone saying that are just a normal dog, they are not. They were breed to be killers.

where to start. there are a lot of theories as to where the american staffordshire terrier came from. many people say that they were originally used in the time of the romans by butchers to heard bulls that were being stubborn. On the frontier, pit bulls assumed the role of an all-purpose dog. In addition to herding cattle and sheep they served as faithful guardians, protecting families and livestock from the ever-present threat of thieves and wild animals.Today, the American Pit Bull Terrier is a beloved animal that is used in a variety of helping functions in society including police dogs, search dogs, therapy dogs, and farm dogs.

^ not all my own words.



The chow chow, that someone else posted was high on the list in dog Fatalities, in the 80's. Sure it may look cute and cuddly, but it's not.

correct, the point of posting that was, a family sees me walking my pit in the park ::stops pulls children away:: a family sees you walking a chow in the park ::excuse me, can my child pet your dog, shes so cute!:: its all about perception and media.


And someone said that only pitbulls get reported, you are also wrong, as long as you go to the hospital it will be reported.

right but if a pit bull bites someone, no matter how bad the bite, its HORRRRIBLEEE and needs medical attention. if a lab or golden bites someone, ya put a band aid on it and chalk it up as an accident "they were probably just reaching for a toy and the person got in the way"


And my final question.......How many dogs do you know of that will break into a strangers house and attack them for no reason?
(believe it or not, thats a true story about a pitbull).


haha a dog break into a house and attacked a family? did he have a ski mask on and a crow bar? or was he really strung out on meth and did it out of desperation because he needed money for a fix? :roll: find that article and we'll talk.




NOW, for a few POSITIVE things pits have done, this was just with a quick search.

In World War I, a pit bull named Stubby captured the heart of the nation. Stubby was the unofficial mascot of the 102nd Infantry Division and was credited with saving the lives of several of his human comrades. For his valiant service, Stubby won several medals and was even awarded the rank of sergeant! He came home from the war to a hero's welcome and went on to become the mascot for Georgetown University.

Later the Pit Bull was used to signify sturdiness, dependability, and loyalty by such organizations as RCA, Buster Brown shoes, and even the loveable Pete of the Little Rascals.

In fact the first dog to travel across America in a car was a Pit Bull ( Bud ) and did so with the first persons ( Horatio Jackson and his assistant and "bicycle" mechanic Sewall Crocker ) to cross America in a car ( A Winton named the Vermont). Horatio later donated Bud's goggles to the Smithsonian Institute in Washington D.C. During the trip Bud would assist in watching for large bumps in the road and often received as much if not more attention by the press than did Jackson. After the trip was completed Bud bravely guarded the Jackson home until his death of old age."

By the time of WWI the American Pit Bull Terrier had became a well loved and desired dog. In fact the Pit Bull was used as Americas canine mascot of the time

In World War I, a pit bull named Stubby captured the heart of the nation. Stubby was the unofficial mascot of the 102nd Infantry Division and was credited with saving the lives of several of his human comrades. For his valiant service, Stubby won several medals and was even awarded the rank of sergeant! He came home from the war to a hero's welcome and went on to become the mascot for Georgetown University.

[cmr076]

also guys im not entirely sure wikipedia is a very reliable source to back a depate up with...

[importpower99]

haha a dog break into a house and attacked a family? did he have a ski mask on and a crow bar? or was he really strung out on meth and did it out of desperation because he needed money for a fix? find that article and we'll talk.

Ha ha ha ha, i thought the same thing when someone told me about it. I never said pitbulls can't be friendly. People play with tigers, of course until it snaps, and bites off half his face.
But the pitbull came through the doggie door and went up stairs and mauled a lady. And then left a bloody glove. I will try and find it.
I've been searching the internet for articles about pitbulls, but they are all biased, and say we should make them extinct.
The one thing that i do find is that alot of people blame breeders, and I don't know why? If anybody wants to enlighten me go ahead.

[importpower99]

also guys im not entirely sure wikipedia is a very reliable source to back a depate up with...
No it's not, but it's better then lying....i guess

[cmr076]

see post 77. i think there blaming the handlers rather than the breeders. i dont think hate can be bred, only taught. haha and until i see some reliable literature about this pit bull bandit im gonna have to go with a big "i dont believe it"

[cmr076]

http://www.apbtconformation.com/
http://www.ourpack.org/
http://www.stopbsl.com/
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/

a few "pro-pit" sites

[importpower99]

I'm at work so i can't search AOL(it's blocked). But ill look when i get home for that article.
I guess the things that scare me about pitbulls, is the nature of their attack. They seem to just snap at anyone, including their owner. Thats why i stay away from them, I could care less who's it is and how tame it is, I know what its capable of. I'm also looking at rottweiler attacks, but their attacks seem to be mosty against strangers.
Heres an article, from pissed off postal workers.
http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2007/11/10/news/casper/98c18fa004cbe93a8725738f0004a94b.txt
Here is another were the guy blames the city for his dogs attacking.
http://www.wftv.com/news/14523026/detail.html
So after searching i found a quote that makes sense.
"In the US, they banned pit bulls and people rushed to get Rottweilers. Then, when they banned Rottweilers, people got German shepherds." "If one were to ban the breed, breeders would simply cross the breed with something else, resulting in something even more terrifying than a pure-bred pit bull"
So there will always be that visous dog that everyone thinks is dangerous.

[cmr076]

i found a quote that makes sence too "The highest form of ignorance is to reject something that you know nothing about." with that being said, have you had any direct contact with these dogs or just what you hear and what you read?

[ericnjttz]

its a 2 sided argument both sides can be argued to death....its like abortion...or gay sex marriage

[importpower99]

i found a quote that makes sence too "The highest form of ignorance is to reject something that you know nothing about." with that being said, have you had any direct contact with these dogs or just what you hear and what you read?
I group up in New york, there was dog fighting right behind my apartment building(It was a bad neighborhood, I only lived there for a year).Thats what i meant by "I know what their capable of". If you read the ariticle of the postal workers, they say pitbulls are dangerous, and talk about the two attacks, but they don't say what kind of dogs attacked them before. The article makes you believe that all the attacks were from pitbulls. Everything you read about pitbulls is going to say that they are dangerous, i just don't feel that banning a breed of dog is going to solve the problem.

[cmr076]

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/Flyers/AllDogsBite.pdf how many pit attacks are on there ;) not a single one!

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/HeroicPitties/HeroicPitties.htm and some nice stuff they do...

[cmr076]

and if youve only been around pits from a "dog fighting ring" which i hope you reported. then you have only been shown the bad side of the breed. if you want to meet up you can meet cali, shes 85 pounds of muscle that would roll over on her back in front of you and wait for you to rub her belly.

[importpower99]

I find it sad that a society attempting to prove a species to be kind would post false information up on there website.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/23/MNGRODDG2S1.DTL
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=CO&s_site=charlotte&p_multi=CO&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=109B88B01D9D5572&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
http://www.wlwt.com/news/4279303/detail.html
These were just some of the attacks that the website failed to report. And the website was stating reports from all over the world. I don't see how a website promoting pitbull awareness would want to put false information up.

[cmr076]

you're right...theres plenty of ****ed up people in this world. and those people are punished.

its to the point where the whole pitbull bloodline is almost ****ed with bad blood and fighting genes. trainers have a lot to do with this, but it is also proven that they are vicious by nature

you really cant compare people to pitbulls though, look at it this way...terrorists in the middle east some people just want to nuke the whole middle east and be done with it, but it doesnt work that way with people.

Its different pitbulls are just dogs, you may love them like a human but at the end of the day they are just dogs, with a majority of them being vicious. if the breed was wiped out it wouldnt be a national tragedy, it would be forgotten in weeks

its a 2 sided argument both sides can be argued to death....its like abortion...or gay sex marriage


:lol: maybe im getting through to you, now your comparing them to people!

[importpower99]

and if youve only been around pits from a "dog fighting ring" which i hope you reported. then you have only been shown the bad side of the breed. if you want to meet up you can meet cali, shes 85 pounds of muscle that would roll over on her back in front of you and wait for you to rub her belly.
I was ten, at the time, so no i did not report it, i was unaware that it was a crime. I didn't actually remember it until the Vick incident, and my brother reminded me of it.
And in no way, am I insulting your dog or anyone else on here with a pitbull. I am just not a fan of pitbulls. And I know they can be nice, I just choose to stay away.

[cmr076]

obviously a pro pit site wont post about all the pit attacks, just like the sites your posting arent posting about the golden retriever and lab attacks.

[cmr076]

I was ten, at the time, so no i did not report it, i was unaware that it was a crime. I didn't actually remember it until the Vick incident, and my brother reminded me of it.
And in no way, am I insulting your dog or anyone else on here with a pitbull. I am just not a fan of pitbulls. And I know they can be nice, I just choose to stay away.

fair enough its just a shame, i bring her to work with me sometimes and people that come in hating the breed meet her and leave with a changed mind, one guy actually said, shes so sweet, i would consider actually getting one.

[Kevin]

lol Wikipedia hahaha

[importpower99]

obviously a pro pit site wont post about all the pit attacks, just like the sites your posting arent posting about the golden retriever and lab attacks
Exactly! Thats what i'm been trying to say, that you can find on the intenet is articles against people owning pitbulls. On the website you posted, it said that one is actually a rescue dog, I bet no one knows that, and it surely won't come out in the media, unless of course it attacked someone.

[cmr076]

^^ i think were arguing the same point now. any dog that attacks someone should be put down, it shouldnt matter if its a pit, lab, jack russel, or doberman. any dog can be sweet its all in how there raised. i just feel that breed specific legislature is bull****, let put the money into stopping the abusers of the dogs (which turns dogs into agressive murderers) pits are used in fighting for their loyalty, strenght, and passion. those are all amazing traits... when used correctly.

[importpower99]

Well any proffesional dog trainer will tell you that certain dogs (pits, rotts, dobermen's) should only be owned by people with experience. And if they stiffen the penalities (By stiffen I mean jail time), people wopuld be less apt to by these dogs. But if you do that, it will also affect the people who are experienced handlers. So if your dog snaps one day you will be liable. For example, Rottweilers are poplular because they make excellent guard dogs, and good family pets. But a lot of their attacks come about by accident, like when people are rough housing with each other. It seems as though they can't distingush between the two. I haven't found an article were it attacked it's owner(I'm sure it happened), unlike pit-bull's. So if your dog (no matter what breed) kills your friend because you guys were playing wrestlemania in your backyard, you the owner would be held liable.

[2drStunner]

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/4drstunner/100_0225.jpg
Think he's thinking about attacking me or just be a great dog like always?





http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/4drstunner/100_0200.jpg

A truck I was behind.......Loving it!

[cmr076]

heres my vicious pit.
http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/725/7252897df7b895ac8373b92d5f8e5b49672541.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=725289&showlnk=0)
http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/725/7252884afb8cda88ca30ff2cd918da396d4580.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=725288&showlnk=0)
http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/725/72528747e374032735623a3c58ee2651cddfbf.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=725287&showlnk=0)

shes about to attack... WATCH OUT
http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/725/725310efeb2009385a0dfa53566639e4bd9bf5.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=725310&showlnk=0)

[cmr076]

oh and gorgeous dog BTW 4doorstunner, i love brindles.

[2drStunner]

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/4drstunner/100_0287.jpg Ahhhhhhh Hes trying to get my throat!

[cmr076]

oh and one more just to show how ****ing cute she is! dont mind me i was drunk.
http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/725/7253311b08ad66f309acc16a6a24ea39befaae.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=725331&showlnk=0)

[cmr076]

holy ****! yours went after your throat too?!?!?!?!

http://www.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/725/725346ba6ac4927800fc2ce575f0f98339883c.jpg (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=725346&showlnk=0)

they probably all should be killed

[cmr076]

no i totally understand... haha look back at some of my angry rants!! im sure "itstock" will have something interesting to stir the pot up with haha

[Z3R0]

I can walk by a pit bull and if it barks at me...it probably wants to kill me?lol I'll be damned if it doesn't just wanna play/get to know me.

My cousin had a German Rottweiler. THAT EFFER WAS BIG. Mostly muscle...he made other dogs piss their pants...and some people too. He was viscous...ly playful. When I walk into the house he would try to jump on me. When I sat down he would want to sit on my lap. Whenever he felt any of us were threatened THEN he would get into stance...and growl. Thats usually all it takes. Then he is back to being playful. I miss that dog :cry: . My cousin had a kid so he had to give the dog up(can't have the dog jumping on my almost 2 year old nephew. His name was Diesel.

im sure "itstock" will have something interesting to stir the pot up with haha
+1 I'm anxiously waiting :lol:

[ITSTOCK]

no i totally understand... haha look back at some of my angry rants!! im sure "itstock" will have something interesting to stir the pot up with haha

lol, to be honest, I have typed up replies for this thread, only to delete paragraphs at a time seconds later, about 6 times now.

Since I've come this far though...

I have personally only known about 6 pitbulls for multiple years.

1. pitbull jumped out a window (THROUGH THE GLASS) to attack a dog walking by. The pitbull was adopted. EDIT: THIS PITBULL WAS PUT DOWN, SORRY FOR NOT MENTIONING THAT.

2. pitbull, owned by the same owner as 1, also adopted, sweet dog. It's constantly around kids and other dogs, no problems and it's probably about 8 years old now.

3. pitbull, adopted, bit my hand when I touched a railing. It kind of came out of nowhere, apparently has bitten other people as well.

4. pitbull, adopted, same familly as 3, sweet dog. Very friendly.


5. pitbull, purebred, long history, let it swim in my pool, and play with my boxer. My boxer went to his water bowl, and the pitbull came charging at my little guy, teeth showing, lunged, I grabbed the pitbull, and told my brothers friend to get the dog away. The same pitbull also tried attacking another friends lab. It's nice to people though.

6. pitbull, purebred, long history, would trust the dog around babies, my dog, ANYTHING. One of the best dogs that I have known.


That's my history with pitbulls. In general, pitbulls are NOT meant to be violent towards humans. From the beginning, they were loyal to the owners and people in general, and bred to protect from other dogs/animals, NOT people.

Now the problem is, when you have a dog that is 80-100 pounds of SOLID MUSCLE, it is going to inflect more damage than a stupid ankle biter (which I have been bitten by HUNDREDS of times, multiple breeds/multiple owners/multiple settings). So while ALL DOGS PROBABLY ATTACK, the stronger dogs that actually inflict injury are going to get the bad rep. It's just how it works. A 5# pomeranian isn't going to kill someone, but make that same viscous 5# ankle biter 100#'s, and you're talking about some serious damage.


MY problem isn't with the dog itself. From what I see, other than the pitbull that actually jumped through and broke a glass window to attack another dog (my neighbor has a 5# dog that tries going through the glass to get to my 80# boxer, he just isn't successful BTW), it's generally the setting in which you see the attacks occur. I'm not just talking about dog fighting area's, but you see a lot of attacks occur with crackhead parents, and the dog attacks a kid. Not only could it be the setting in general, but the parents sure as hell aren't keeping an eye on an animal around their child. Babies are ALWAYS getting bitten by dogs, the dogs usually just aren't strong enough to inflict the damage. The other problem is with the people AROUND the dogs, not necessarily just the owners. As an example, my dog WOULD have been attacked by a pitbull if I wasn't closely monitoring the situation. Dogs are also let loose in the parks, and the dog will go up to a pitbull, unleashed, and the pit will attack it.



As a general rule of thumb, if people weren't so stupid, there wouldn't be as many attacks. I know not to let my dog around ANY breed of dog unless closely monitored. I know not to let my dog around ANY little child without being monitored (simply because my boxer is playful, and jumping up on a 2 year old could hurt the kid).


So yes, pitbulls ARE DANGEROUS COMPARED TO OTHER DOGS. They have the natural physique to inflict more injuries. Rotties, german sheppards (I haven't met a single german shep that I could trust!!!), dobermans, chows, and AKITA'S are just as dangerous. They just aren't left in the same situations as the pitbulls that you see attacking. The owner classes seem to keep a better eye on them. I grew up with a 150# Akita. We used to pull his toungue out, tackle him, whatever we want. He was awesome, would never hurt anyone....unless they appeared to put us in danger. If a stranger would come to the side gate of the house, I have no doubt that if there wasn't a metal fence, my Akita Grizzly would have ripped the person to shreds. On the other hand, my cousins Akita, Kito, bit probably 10 people unprovoked and SHOULD have been put down. None of those attacks were reported.


At any rate, keep an eye on your dog regardless of breed, and if you are a bystander, keep an eye on the other dog regardless of breed. If people did this, there would be less dog attacks. It's as simple as that. A stronger dog creates more damage. An untrained, unwatched, deprived dog creates even more damage. People need to be held more responsible for what their dogs do.

[ITSTOCK]

what ever you need to tell yourself to sleep better at night

but pits are vicious, sure some are trained not to be but they are naturally vicious dogs and shouldnt exsist.

and im sure yours is a perfect angel, but when it attacks and kills your mom, lets see what you say then

"ohhhhh but my dog would never do that" and im sure the lady in her yard with these 2 pits thought hers would

Pits have been bred through the years to be naturally aggressive to OTHER DOGS. They have been bred to be LOYAL to not only the owners, but people in general.

But no, they are NOT naturally, "vicious" dogs as stated by you. If you want to classify dog fighting as vicious, what about all of the hunting dogs that chase rabbits? They should be in the same "VICIOUS" category if we subscribe to your theory.

[ITSTOCK]

PS: 4doorstunner, I hope that is not a real metal chain around your dogs neck.

[cmr076]

1: completely agree with the hunting argument.
2: the chain look very plastic to me.
3: theres a lot of narrow minded people out there. i totally agree, no dog big or small should be un-supervised around other dogs until you know, not only each dogs traits and attitudes alone, but with other dogs.
4: anyone that leaves a small child alone with a dog is a retard and should be put down.
5: im glad you (itstock) responded the way you did, kinda unexpected but very appreciated.

[Z3R0]

Pits have been bred through the years to be naturally viscous to OTHER DOGS. They have been bred to be LOYAL to not only the owners, but people in general.

But no, they are NOT naturally, "vicious" dogs as stated by you. If you want to classify dog fighting as vicious, what about all of the hunting dogs that chase rabbits? They should be in the same "VICIOUS" category if we subscribe to your theory.

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werd

Perfectly worded.

[ITSTOCK]

lol, not sure why it's unexpected. I have my own views, and they do vary by subject. I'm all over the board if you look at what I argue and what I don't!

I also agree that it looks plastic, but just want to make sure. NO DOG should have a metal collar like that!!.

[cmr076]

it just seems that you have a way of, during a debate pissing everyone off haha, i love it and find it entertaining and agree that you have varying points of view on different subjects and i guess if i thought about it and thought about most of your other posts you would be one of the less narrow minded people on here

[05suby]

this debate has gotten better, thank god. but pits again are amazing and beautiful dogs.

[jspek]

yaaaay for tst bringing another ugly debate into something that is intelligent and meaningful haha.

[cmr076]

^ agreed

[2drStunner]

yes guys its fake! It was a joke when he was a puppy to look tough. My dog has a regular collar.

[Kevin]

How can a chain like that affect the dog? Are they really that heavy to do damage? I thought a big strong muscular dog wouldn't have problems with something like that.

[Kerplunk105]

I think they were actually org. used to strengthen the dogs neck for fighting.

[ITSTOCK]

How can a chain like that affect the dog? Are they really that heavy to do damage? I thought a big strong muscular dog wouldn't have problems with something like that.

There were a couple reasons why logging chains were/are used: 1 is they would attach weights to the chain to strengthen the dogs neck for dog fighting, and just make the dog wear the heavy chain (without weights) constantly, and 2: so that it wouldn't break. Unfortunately, bad weight training methods are worse than no training at all (in regards to using the weight to strengthen the dog).

The weight of the chain, over time, puts an extraordinary amount of pressure on the spine/vertebrae, causing long term, permanent injury.

[cmr076]

pwned

[Kevin]

There were a couple reasons why logging chains were/are used: 1 is they would attach weights to the chain to strengthen the dogs neck for dog fighting, and just make the dog wear the heavy chain (without weights) constantly, and 2: so that it wouldn't break. Unfortunately, bad weight training methods are worse than no training at all (in regards to using the weight to strengthen the dog).

The weight of the chain, over time, puts an extraordinary amount of pressure on the spine/vertebrae, causing long term, permanent injury.

Oh aight. I was just wondering. I was asking for an explanation basically.

So man tits no need for me to get pwned.

[cmr076]

i was kidding buddy, and you love my the little asians man tits.

[Kevin]

i was kidding buddy, and you love my the little asians man tits.

Wait he's Asian? lol

He's so fat you can't tell I guess.