99 Civic si mods?

[trdsmoke]

My friend just bought a used blue 99 civic si. It has an intake, exhaust, and lowering springs. Do any of you honda guys have any ideas what he should do next, with out having to spend $1000?

[lownslow95]

If it was over $1,000 I would say go with a turbo, but since he doesn't want to spend $1,000 I don't know what to tell you. Tell him to go to hondatech.com and try there.

[hypntcpimp]

well wat is he looken for speed? or looks?

[trdsmoke]

i think we wants more of speed right now. He already had new headlights and lip kit. He just wants a lil extra out of it.

[pearl]

cam gears, type r cams and valvetrain.
you can even get a set of aftermarket cams (S2 Stage 1's or BC's) for less than 800 bucks.

just have to install and tune then. would make a great daily.

[underpressure02]

My friend just bought a used blue 99 civic si. It has an intake, exhaust, and lowering springs. Do any of you honda guys have any ideas what he should do next, with out having to spend $1000?

He should install a few kill switches, pager alarm, two wheel boots, and a removable steering wheel to start. Unless of course he does not want the car anymore.

[pearl]

or that too.

[jdm free]

type r cams really dont improve performance that much n u can get some aftermarket cams for a lil bit more

definitly beef up security in some way tho

[CleanNeon98]

Lo-Jack gets my vote

[07NHBPCivicSi]

sell the motor and put in a ls vtech or a b20 vtec...1.6 is a grat motor but need to put alot of $$$ to make it fast

[pearl]

sell the motor and put in a ls vtech or a b20 vtec...1.6 is a grat motor but need to put alot of $$$ to make it fast
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[CWBETB]

He should install a few kill switches, pager alarm, two wheel boots, and a removable steering wheel to start. Unless of course he does not want the car anymore.

X20 ;)

[trdsmoke]

he already has an alarm, and wheel lock all around. I tell him about the steering wheel though. I know he dosen't want a new motor because he had to already get a new trany. He dosen't want to do major work on it like that. But what about headers?

[underpressure02]

he already has an alarm, and wheel lock all around. I tell him about the steering wheel though. I know he dosen't want a new motor because he had to already get a new trany. He dosen't want to do major work on it like that. But what about headers?


Just so you know when I said wheel locks I am talking about the boot. I put two on my car when I drive to philly or nj. Does not stop theives but makes their life a little harder in hopes they go to an easier target.

As far as bolt ons I would save up for turbo kit or you can go cheep speed and get some N02. But to make decent power out of an all motor car it will cost you more then a well pieced together turbo kit.

[07NHBPCivicSi]

dnt boost a stock b16 it will never last......and it will be slow keep it NA

[07NHBPCivicSi]

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plzzzzzzzzzz...let me hear ur ideas on how to make a b16 fast with out tearing it apart

[CHR!S]

dnt boost a stock b16 it will never last......and it will be slow keep it NA

if you boost it with reasonable power and have it tuned properly it wont be bad. a friend of pearl's had a stock ls motor pushing out just 290/285, running 11's. it was daily driven for several years without any problems.

keeping it n/a will be slower if he decides to turbo it

btw i would put building an ls/vtec under the category of 'building' the motor

[2000MRDC2]

like i told u before tell him to do a decent header (rage/hytech/..) and maybe a set of cams and cam gears he doesnt want anything too aggressive. Whatever u do dont do a Skunk2 stage 1 unless its a Pro 1, my friend has regular 1's on his gsr and they didnt really do anything. if hes gonna do skunk2 cams do a Pro 1 or a stage 2.

[pearl]

if you boost it with reasonable power and have it tuned properly it wont be bad. a friend of pearl's had a stock ls motor pushing out just 290/285, running 11's. it was daily driven for several years without any problems.

keeping it n/a will be slower if he decides to turbo it

btw i would put building an ls/vtec under the category of 'building' the motor
sean actually made 300whp on a completely stock LS motor. 17 pounds of boost. thing was a monster and was daily driven.

plzzzzzzzzzz...let me hear ur ideas on how to make a b16 fast with out tearing it apart

a turbo kit. plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
hell you could run a nitrous shot too.
buddy ran 13.6 on a LS nitrous setup. for a daily driven car; that's fast to me.

if you can find a GSR bottom end that would be fun too, but for 1000 bucks you can piece together a nice turbo kit and run 11's like chris said.
i always wanted to do a b16 turbo, higher horsepower, more compression than an stock LS, higher rpm's and low tq = great street car. think about it.

a 1.8 to 2.2 liter motor will produce more torque than the b16 motor.
massive torque + street tires = spin.
less tq + more horsepower = :)
revving to 8500 rpm's @ 14 pounds sounds like a dream to me :)

people need to stop reading forums and reply with what they read from other people...

[07NHBPCivicSi]

sean actually made 300whp on a completely stock LS motor. 17 pounds of boost. thing was a monster and was daily driven.



a turbo kit. plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
hell you could run a nitrous shot too.
buddy ran 13.6 on a LS nitrous setup. for a daily driven car; that's fast to me.

if you can find a GSR bottom end that would be fun too, but for 1000 bucks you can piece together a nice turbo kit and run 11's like chris said.
i always wanted to do a b16 turbo, higher horsepower, more compression than an stock LS, higher rpm's and low tq = great street car. think about it.

a 1.8 to 2.2 liter motor will produce more torque than the b16 motor.
massive torque + street tires = spin.
less tq + more horsepower = :)
revving to 8500 rpm's @ 14 pounds sounds like a dream to me :)

people need to stop reading forums and reply with what they read from other people...

haha revving to 8500 on 14lbs..dnt get me wrong that would be fun for about 6 months till u throw a piston out the hood...all im saying is if u want a reliable DD setup keep the head, keep the tranny, sell the bottom end do a ls or b20 bottom end its almost as easy as a turbo install...u can over rev a b20 or LS vtec...8500 14lbs ahhhh

[pearl]

haha revving to 8500 on 14lbs..dnt get me wrong that would be fun for about 6 months till u throw a piston out the hood...
who tunes your cars? ive seen turbo b16s last years. its all in the tune ;)

all im saying is if u want a reliable DD setup keep the head, keep the tranny, sell the bottom end do a ls or b20 bottom end
i agree, all motor setups are a lot more reliable, but would also cost more to do it right, with less power per dollar.

answer me this:
a cheap turbo kit vs the same amount of money invested into an all motor setup... who would win?
the turbo car, all day.

i pieced together a turbo kit for 700 dollars. 700 dollars gets you a bottom end, some gaskets and someone to put it together. a Si with a ls/vtec wouldn't nearly be as fast as a b16 with a t3/t4 50 trim on it, boosting at 7 pounds.

anyone could just buy a high mileage 1.8/2.0 block and put a head gasket on it, but how long would that last? since the motor is already apart, you might as well replace EVERYTHING to do it right. two friends i know (1 gsr block, one ls block) did all motor builds with all NEW OEM Honda parts (ctr pistons, itr cams, etc) and make 200whp. i know for sure they spent more than 1000 dollars on it. both those cars are still running today too.

its almost as easy as a turbo install
you are crazy. anyone that knows how to turn a wrench can install a turbo kit.

ive never built a motor because i don't consider myself a mechanic, and i highly disagree that building a motor is easier than a turbo kit.

u can over rev a b20 or LS vtec
this is not true. just because you put a non-vtec bottom end with a vtec head doesn't mean it can still rev as high (with oem components, obviously with aftermarket stuff it is different, but thats not the question here)

from what i can recall, if you were to build a LS/VTEC or B20VTEC, you would rev to whatever the block is meant to rev to.


to the original poster:
tell your friend to piece together a turbo kit run it on low boost and enjoy a perfect street car :)

[CHR!S]

pearl knows his **** :thumbup:

[SovXietday]

B16s are easy to make fast, but you have to be ready to spend a couple grand up front. Otherwise, I'd just save your money and not waste it.

Seriously, if he really wants to go fast, have him piece together a turbo kit, I'd suggest a T3T04e 50-60trim with .63AR housing as far as the turbo goes. Doesnt' need to do anything else to the engine, just needs to put a good sized turbo kit on it with a solid setup, IE, no ebay wastegate etc.

Pick up a solid engine management system, 750+cc injectors, put it in my hands with a laptop and in a few hours he will have a monster.:wink:

Also, another thing to mention. N/A now adays really just isn't the way to go about it. It's just way too easy to make a 11-12 second Honda for 3-4K. I know some people will strongly disagree, but I'm all about teh turboz. And again, saying N/A is "more reliable" can get you in trouble too, just like your average turbo car the tune will make or break the engine, moreso literally than figuratively.

[pearl]

pearl knows his **** :thumbup:
:)

Also, another thing to mention. N/A now adays really just isn't the way to go about it. It's just way too easy to make a 11-12 second Honda for 3-4K. I know some people will strongly disagree, but I'm all about teh turboz. And again, saying N/A is "more reliable" can get you in trouble too, just like your average turbo car the tune will make or break the engine, moreso literally than figuratively.
i agree with everything you said :)

the only reason people really make all motor cars fast is the challenge. anyone could slap on a turbo kit on a b series and run 11's. it takes a real all motor setup/car/driver to run a built b series motor. mid 11's on slicks, on PUMP, b series all motor? but thats like you said, 4-5k into it.

[CHR!S]

Also, another thing to mention. N/A now adays really just isn't the way to go about it. It's just way too easy to make a 11-12 second Honda for 3-4K. I know some people will strongly disagree, but I'm all about teh turboz. And again, saying N/A is "more reliable" can get you in trouble too, just like your average turbo car the tune will make or break the engine, moreso literally than figuratively.

natural aspiration isnt the way to go for a budget built drag car. n/a gives you a very good power curve for road racing. dont forget about those low 9-second n/a drag hondas, theyre keeping up with the sfwd guys pushing over twice the power (joe simpson, boosted jeff, etc etc).

[pearl]

chris, remember that time you came to stage 2 with me?
come see some 250whp allmotor b series around my area ;)

[SovXietday]

natural aspiration isnt the way to go for a budget built drag car. n/a gives you a very good power curve for road racing. dont forget about those low 9-second n/a drag hondas, theyre keeping up with the sfwd guys pushing over twice the power (joe simpson, boosted jeff, etc etc).

I definitely agree with you there Chris, you have to weigh the options, how much money you want to spend, etc etc etc.

With N/A a big thing is having displacement. No replacement for displacement as they say. Pretty much, if you've got a B16 with $1000 to put into it, you might as well as save up another $1000 and slap a half decent turbo setup on it rather than saving up another $9000 to make the same power.

For the average joe, turbo is the way to go. :)

[pearl]

sovxietday = the truth

[xEJ20x]

you are crazy. anyone that knows how to turn a wrench can install a turbo kit.

I dunno pearl i've met some people who can turn a wrench, but a turbo kit install might be over their head.

ive never built a motor because i don't consider myself a mechanic, and i highly disagree that building a motor is easier than a turbo kit.


Building a motor is surprisingly easy.
Basic hand tools, some specialty tools, and torque specs are all thats needed. But as with anything, you have to know what you're doing.

[ketchup!]

if i were you i would concentrate on suspension first

[pearl]

I dunno pearl i've met some people who can turn a wrench, but a turbo kit install might be over their head.

really? i kind of dove head first into mine, i slowly figured it out :)

[CHR!S]

chris, remember that time you came to stage 2 with me?
come see some 250whp allmotor b series around my area ;)

yea those things were friggin serious. but how much did they spend as opposed to the people with 250whp turbo b-series motors? i cant wait until the 2008 season, i wanna see if norris prooyonto can get his car down to 9.25's :eek:. 400whp k-sight :o :bigeek:

For the average joe, turbo is the way to go. :)

exactly

[xEJ20x]

really? i kind of dove head first into mine, i slowly figured it out :)

I guess it all depends on how your mind can grasp certain things.

[SovXietday]

I guess it all depends on how your mind can grasp certain things.

Yeah, engines are a little bit more complicated than turbo stuff. The big thing I found with the whole turbo thing is flanges and fittings... having the right ones etc etc. Otherwise it's really easy to put together.

Building my engine on the other hand, I'm glad I had my dad to help me with it. Now that I've done it once I find it to be fairly easy, but that first time there's a lot of small "tricks" so to speak that I would have missed or messed up the first time around.

Funny thing is, 2 years ago I didn't even know what an alternator was.:eek:

[trdsmoke]

if i were you i would concentrate on suspension first

thats what i said at first but he knows i just a turbo kit for my tC and hes jealous. He said he is going to turbo it when he saves up more than enough money. Is he going to need a new clutch? I don't know much about hondas as you all can tell.

[pearl]

yes, he does.

[cmr076]

obviously if he plans on TurbOing it then headers are a waste of money. i had a LSvtec swapped 95 coupe with spray and a vafc. it was amazing until i put a piston through the side of the block :(

[underpressure02]

natural aspiration isnt the way to go for a budget built drag car. n/a gives you a very good power curve for road racing. dont forget about those low 9-second n/a drag hondas, theyre keeping up with the sfwd guys pushing over twice the power (joe simpson, boosted jeff, etc etc).


Those low 9 second am drag cars are full out pro-all motor cars. You can not even put them in the same class as our cars in SFWD. And boosted jeff has not even raced for a few years now.

[CHR!S]

Those low 9 second am drag cars are full out pro-all motor cars. You can not even put them in the same class as our cars in SFWD. And boosted jeff has not even raced for a few years now.

im not putting them in the same class. im just saying that i think its kinda humoring that a car with half the hp is running closely w/ sfwd cars. i know that the chassis are completely different and that helps the car tremendously.

jess was supposed to be racing this year, but hes officially on his 3rd motor. hes been having bad luck with those erl superdecks :cry:

[underpressure02]

im not putting them in the same class. im just saying that i think its kinda humoring that a car with half the hp is running closely w/ sfwd cars. i know that the chassis are completely different and that helps the car tremendously.

jess was supposed to be racing this year, but hes officially on his 3rd motor. hes been having bad luck with those erl superdecks :cry:

They also weigh a hell of a lot less then our sfwd cars and are allowed to run wheely bars. If you want to compare that class compare it to the Hot Rod class.

I wouldn't go blaming the all the problems that jeff has been having on the ERL blocks. I am pretty sure he had a problem with his head the last time I spoke to him.