Cardriverx's (Steve's) TURBO Miata.. Megasquirt 2 / New TURBO

[Cardriverx]

5/23/10

Wow, the same day, two years from the last update. Weird!

So like I said, I just got the MS2 in (bought with a Megasquirt 3 case so I can update the processor soon!). The closed loop boost control is GREAT! Among the various other updated features. It is now running full stand alone, no pussy **** here.

Also, my last turbo blew (**** in the oil passage) so I took a risk and bought a CXracing ebay T3/T4 turbo. Build quality looks great, and it works well so far. all for $160! It also has a V band downpipe outlet, which is great.

The turbo lags, sure, but it hits HARD and thats what I like.

Oh, PLEASE Ignore the ****ty welds. All I have is a Harbor Freight Flux welder, and the welds it makes look like ****. But they do hold well aha.

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5/23/08

PICTURESS!

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Megasquirt is working! 13 psi is fast! check post 123 on page 7!!

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Megasquirt is on the way, along with 460cc injectors. I will beable to run 13 psi with this setup, aka around 230 hp!


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Now at 9 ish PSI

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Done!!! Its alive!! boostin at 5 psi =). Pics below.


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Alright, im makeing this thread for my 93 miata c package. Im building a DIY turbo kit for it, and I just put in a MOMO start seat (very nice seat).

So far, Ive got a bosch BOV, vortec 12:1 FMU, Bipes timeing controller, and hopefully a t3 turbo + gauge.

I still need a manifold and downpipe, and all the pipeing for the turbo.

Oh I cannot wait! :banana:

EDIT- I now have a downpipe, 18x12x3 intercooler, t3 turbo, and BEGI mani. Need - intake pipeing, oil lines, some v band sets.

[Signatus230]

Looks good. I would love to get a miata, they are such cool small cars.

[Honest_Bob]

Looks good. I would love to get a miata, they are such cool small cars.

Same here. :thumbup:

[StreetEG]

turbo miatas are sweet but do yourself a favor and ditch the fmu...

[Cardriverx]

turbo miatas are sweet but do yourself a favor and ditch the fmu...

for..? I cannot afford a standalone. If I waited awhile.. maybe a megasquirt, I can get a build it yourself one for $150 ish.

[NOPSTNS]

when i die and go to heaven a turbo miata with coilovers will be waiting for me.....good luck with it man, stay small with the turbo and own the autox! most raced car in history BTW....4TH most reliable car of all time as well.........

[Cardriverx]

thanks for the miata love =D!

[TurboTagTeam]

for..? I cannot afford a standalone. If I waited awhile.. maybe a megasquirt, I can get a build it yourself one for $150 ish.

I love miata's for road racing. Because I love them so much, I'm gonna offer some advice.

FMU=blown motor

THey are absolute garbage. That thing is gonna put your injectors at 175-250% duty cycle. THen your gonna drop in injector and pop the motor.

Do it right the first time and get proper engine management.

[Cardriverx]

I love miata's for road racing. Because I love them so much, I'm gonna offer some advice.

FMU=blown motor

THey are absolute garbage. That thing is gonna put your injectors at 175-250% duty cycle. THen your gonna drop in injector and pop the motor.

Do it right the first time and get proper engine management.


Well, the thing is that the greddy kit comes with a fmu, and they last a long time on alot of miatas. I just need to use it till I get some more cash.

[Cardriverx]

I got a larger t3 turbo, and have a manifold on the way. It wll be done soon... :cool:

[NOPSTNS]

hells yea! boost is to mazda as food is to fat people!

they belong together!

[Cardriverx]

hells yea! boost is to mazda as food is to fat people!

they belong together!

hell ya.


guys, I need help. Any ideas on how to get the wastegate on the turbo off? I tried unscrewing it with vice grips.. no luck. any ideas?

[Cardriverx]

I got it off using brute force =). So now I gotta fit the wastegate on it, make a downpipe, and get some small stuff sorted out. I cannot wait =).

[hoopsteramk]

miatas are chick cars, i would never get one

[z'd up]

hells yea! boost is to mazda as food is to fat people!


they kill each other? haha jk good luck with everything

[turbo4g63]

what did that turbo come off of? Why did you ditch the internal wastegate? Are you upgrading any engine hardware with this turbo install, i would definately reccomend getting all arp stuff...especially the rod bolts and head studs and whatnot....just be careful with it, i don't wanna see your motor blow up on you. good luck with it

[Cardriverx]

ok, update. Got an intercooler, should have a downpipe comeing. But because I messed up the rear bumper/decklid/finishpanel, the project is on hold for alittle.. But all I need is intake tubeing.. and some little things.

turbo4g, I am using a internal wastegate from a nother turbo, with a lower setting. The orgional wastegate was set at like 13 psi, imma run 5 to 6 for now. As for the internals, many miata guys run the FM or BEGI kits at 12 psi on stock everything, makeing about 220 hp. Ill be fine, thanks tho!

[Cardriverx]

Got falkin azenis rt-615s a few days agao! Holy ****, these tires are awesome. After a nice drive to get the oils off, they stick like glue! I switched from crappy all seasons, and what a difference. I also got a alignment at mickys alignment.. Heres the specs I gave them

FRONT
caster - max
camber - -1.5*
toe - 1/16 out

BACK
camber - -2*
toe - 1/16 in

This is called a icehawk alignment for the miata guys, and it suits the miata well! great turn in, and very neutral mid turn. I cannot wait to autox on these tires. A++!!

Now my car is like on the bumpstops every turn lol!


As for the turbo, I just got a 2.5 inch downpipe and exhaust w/ high flow cat for $120. It is made for the later miatas, but all I need to do is change the hangers around. Now all I need are oil lines, some v band sets, and the intake pipeing! Man, I cant wait.

[CleanNeon98]

so how has everything been with the car any more progress with the turbo build? bound to be more than mine which is still being planned and counted out lol

[drew]

miatas are chick cars, i would never get one

are you one of his friends just joking around? cause if not you're a huge ****ing idiot. miatas are the most commonly raced car in history, watch some of the club racing vids and tell me it's a chick car, we have an 07 gti and it's more of a chick car than a miata ( it's my girlfriends daily driver btw ) and for the record his little miata with a t3 will **** all over an mkv gti anyday

[Cardriverx]

OK update time! I have the oil lines, and a whole intercooler setup is going to be on its way in a couple days. Also, I got a LC-1 from TROLL =). So, all I need are a couple v band setups, and a 90 degree bend for the exhaust!!!

BOOST HERE I COME. And problay a blown up diff lol.

[Cardriverx]

I Started The Build Woohoo.

[Cardriverx]

should be done this weekend... =)

[Cardriverx]

drove it today, sounds badass. Gotta put the exhaust on, as well as sort out a few small things!

[Chris_PA]

Awesome man

Pics?
Info?

Anything?
hahah

[Cutlass372]

Haha I actually looked for this thread today to see if you made any progress. Post up some stuff (Pics, videos).

[Cardriverx]

Ill try to get some pictures tommorow.. should have a vid by the end of the week!

[boostedfury]

dude def keep us updated mannn

[Cardriverx]

damn cracked one of the ends on the oil feed line. Will have a new one this week.. and I gotta finish the exhaust.

[SayNoToPistons]

miatas are chick cars, i would never get one

Hey man, we can't blame you for having a small penis.

[Cardriverx]

update - We have the exhaust on, I just have to mess with some little clearence issues. I got the new oil feed line, so everything will be on on monday! Ill post pics and a vid then =).

[Cardriverx]

Done, all the stuff is on the first page. will have a vid soon. Only problem is I have compressor surge I think.. the BOV on the turbo doesent seem to be working right?

[CleanNeon98]

Looks good Steve. Just get it workin right and align the FMIC a bit better and its set. Keep us posted

[boostedfury]

awesome steve...cant wait to see and hear it in person

[i like rice]

what bov? you might have a spring that is too high of a rate.

[Cardriverx]

what bov? you might have a spring that is too high of a rate.

It is one that is built into the turbo. Thats what I am guessing because the turbo origionally ran at 12 psi on a mercadies 2L disel. I guess ill just have to rig up my bosch BOV I have.

[Cardriverx]

awesome steve...cant wait to see and hear it in person

Ill be at granite tommorow!

[turbo4g63]

nice to see someone talk about doing a project, getting all the parts together, and actually following through with it. I see to many **** talkers on here anymore...you now have my respect....haha

thats a cute little intercooler you have there ;)

[TROLL]

nice... hows it feel?
couple of questions, hopefully they havent already been gone over...
where did the manifold come from to go turbo? aftermarket or from a different oem engine?
what are you using for tuning and have you done any tuning yet to get it running properly? its obviously going to run a lot different than stock now...

[Cardriverx]

Feels great, it will acually spin tires in 1st gear with out dumping the clutch aha. Im guessing im now at 140 to 150 HP at the wheels. The manifold is made by BEGI (Bell engineering). They make turbo kits for miatas, and hooked me up with a mani. The turbo is off a mercadies 300 diesel.. its a Garrett T3. Right now I am using a fuel pressure riser as my fuel managment... I can get different discs for different rates (rises depending on boost). Right now im running rich.. which is fine with me. Also, I have whats called a Bipes, which pretty much retards the timeing up to 6 degrees depennding on boost. And as you know troll, I have a LC-1. It idles good, runs good, sounds badass! Hopefully ill see some of you guys tommorow night! Oh, im running about 5.5 psi max.

P.S - anyone have a laptop with a serial port? I need one so I can make sure my A/F ratios are hunky-dory lol.

[TROLL]

ooh yeah you're going to want to keep an eye on your AFRs for sure... think about getting one of the cheaper innovate gauges... you've got the rest of the system already so adding a ~$100 gauge would get you a display for it too.

[CleanNeon98]

Hey man, bring it out to the Tyler Park BBQ this coming saturday

[ketchup!]

for..? I cannot afford a standalone. If I waited awhile.. maybe a megasquirt, I can get a build it yourself one for $150 ish.

ok, might as well say bye bye to your motor then, the fmu will blow up your motor

[Cardriverx]

ok, might as well say bye bye to your motor then, the fmu will blow up your motor

Right now im running rich.. its not gonna blow up.

[Cardriverx]

Here is a vid!

streetfire http://videos.streetfire.net/video/019c5c1a-4ce9-46c3-93f1-99d90114218f.htm

youtube http://youtube.com/watch?v=Im8RiS_vsAo

And, here are my beautiful a/f ratios. Both pulls were 3rd, 4th, 5th gear up to about 120 mph (shh.. =D).

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[namdoogwerdna]

P.S - anyone have a laptop with a serial port? I need one so I can make sure my A/F ratios are hunky-dory lol.

I do but im guessing you found one?

Good work, definitely makes me want a miata now.

[Cardriverx]

I do but im guessing you found one?

Good work, definitely makes me want a miata now.

I got a serial to usb converter and used mine =).

[Cardriverx]

Another vid

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/884d5078-27d9-4aa7-85f4-99df015f5e2c.htm

[Cardriverx]

10/13 UPDATE


Im getting some 305cc 7mge injectors. They are plug and play, and with alittle messing with the AFM, I can get the car to idle good. This should allow about 10 psi of boost :mrgreen:. 200 HP here I come!

[Cardriverx]

11/19

Got a new boost gauge witha backlight. I have 305 cc injectors on the way. Im thinking of buying a stri fuel pressure gauge, and I have a prosport oil temp gauge to install!

[scutzi128]

Any idea on numbers you are putting out right now?

[ho1ywars]

duuuuuude, stop what you are doing. stop spending money on stupid stuff and get mega squirt. its 150 and does everything. i was going to put it on my probe three years ago. for the money, it is amazing. im pretty sure its so fancy now adays you can probably tap your lc -1 output into it.

[driftingrx5.7]

looks good man! but i do agree get the mega its worth it. but as long as your running rich your not going to kill your motor yet! looks great 10 psi on that car will give you easy 200 hp, but why not go ls1 ;)

[Cardriverx]

looks good man! but i do agree get the mega its worth it. but as long as your running rich your not going to kill your motor yet! looks great 10 psi on that car will give you easy 200 hp, but why not go ls1 ;)


I just dont have the money or I would haha.


as for the megasquirt - Without the MS, I am going to make sure it runs on the rich side, about 11.8 to 1. One I go get the MS, then ill beable to tune for more power because ill beable to fine tune it.

I agree I should get the MS asap, but with the new injectors atleast ill beable to run about 10 psi safely.

Right now id say about 140hp. At 10psi, around 200. Eaither way, even at 5 psi its crazy in the rain weve been having. I hit 4k rpm in 1st or seconded and it just lights up. At 10 psi its going to be just stupid haha. Its a good feeling, acually :mrgreen:

[scutzi128]

Sounds great. How strong are the stock internals?

[Cardriverx]

Sounds great. How strong are the stock internals?

With proper fueling / AFR's, about 250 ish hp. the BP engine is turboed from the factory in the 323 GTX (i think thats the name), the miata just has the same engine sans the turbo. With just connecting rods and pistons I could defentially go into the 300s.

[Cardriverx]

Well I go tthe injectors, adn now im running 8-9 psi. Only problem is...

My clutch slips like a mofo. More money I need to spend that I dont have!

[turbo4g63]

act 2100 should do the job.

[Cardriverx]

act 2100 should do the job.

Got an F1 racing stage 3 carbon ceramic one. I have herd good things for the price, so ill keep this thread updated when I get it this friday.

[Cardriverx]

Oh, and I made a A/F gauge using a $18 volt meter and one of the LC-1's outputs. 10:1 a/f is set at 1 volt, 20:1 as 2 volts. Works good (and its blue lol)!

[scutzi128]

Put some pics up, diy a/f guage ftw

[Cardriverx]

My "custom" heatshield (SS and works wonderful), and DIY A/F Gauge! :mrgreen:

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[TROLL]

cool, how'd you make the gauge?

[Cardriverx]

cool, how'd you make the gauge?

Ebay, get a volt meter for $18 that takes a 12V input for power. Then I hooked it into the aux on the lc1 you gave me, and set the aux so at 10:1 it displays 1 volt, 20:1 = 2 volts. Simple, works great. Slightly laggy, but for $20 it does its purpose great.

[scutzi128]

Very nice for 20$ can't go wrong.

[Cardriverx]

Well I acually was able to drive it fully at 10psi today (new PVC valve), and WOAH! I knew it would spin in first, but I floor it in seconded gear, tac hits 4k rpm, then jumps to 7k in a blink of an eye! Meanwhile, im struggleing to go straight on baltimore pike. 3rd gear all I get is clutch slip... Oh, this is so sweet hahaha!

[turbo4g63]

my vote for next mod goes to clutch and wider tires....you'll get better traction with a tire that is more than 5 inches wide

[Cardriverx]

my vote for next mod goes to clutch and wider tires....you'll get better traction with a tire that is more than 5 inches wide

clutch will be here tommorow (6 puck carbon ceramic)

as for tires, that would mean wider rims, which I dont have $$ for now lol.

[scutzi128]

If you need help with the clutch let me know, I am trying to get experience with changing clutches so when I have to do mine it will be easier.

[Cardriverx]

If you need help with the clutch let me know, I am trying to get experience with changing clutches so when I have to do mine it will be easier.

Sure, ill let you know. Depends on if i do it in my auto lab or not.

[Cardriverx]

Well, I beat stroby strobes GTI today =D. Also, I got the clutch.

[Danronian]

Great project!

GL with it. Be sure not to push those AFRs too much since with an FMU you are always pushing the limits of your injectors since by nature they max out your injectors making it so they will fail much easier/often than when n/a.

[Cardriverx]

Great project!

GL with it. Be sure not to push those AFRs too much since with an FMU you are always pushing the limits of your injectors since by nature they max out your injectors making it so they will fail much easier/often than when n/a.

Under boost, I keep it around 11.8 to 1.

[Cardriverx]

Wel, the clutch is halfway in now, it will be done tommorow!

[Cardriverx]

got the clutch in.. holds really nice.

scutz, when u put your clutch in, hit me up if you need help.

[Cardriverx]

12/17 update!!!

yep, good news! Im selling my Vortec FPR, o2 clamp, and Bipes so I can convert to MegaSquirt! Im getting the MS-1 V 3.0 board, and imma build it myself

Check out DIYautotune.com for all the stuffs

So anyway, it will run inline with the stock ECU, and the stock ecu will only control a/c and the fans. I will have full fuel and ignition control (12x12 tables), boost control, launch control, traction, etc, etc, for about $300 total!

Oh, this is gonna be fun! So someone buy my **** haha.

[Danronian]

Glad to hear you're ditching the FMU.

GL getting it all together and the car tuned!

[Cardriverx]

Glad to hear you're ditching the FMU.

GL getting it all together and the car tuned!


Thanks man, there is acually someone right around me that has a turbo miata with the megasquirt, hes gonna help me out.

[disturbedfan121]

wanna buy my FM Link? lol Map sensor and programming pad.......u know u want it......no more AFM.....

[Cardriverx]

wanna buy my FM Link? lol Map sensor and programming pad.......u know u want it......no more AFM.....

Wont have to run an AFM with the megasquirt, and it has more features :mrgreen:. Thanks tho! (well unless you willing to sell for a rediculasly low price)

[disturbedfan121]

Wont have to run an AFM with the megasquirt, and it has more features :mrgreen:. Thanks tho! (well unless you willing to sell for a rediculasly low price)

im trying to sell it so i can get squirted too lol ill sell it on M.net then....

[Cardriverx]

aha, you should beable to get a good deal on M.net, there are some not so smart people with money on there :screwy:

[Cardriverx]

Well I ordered the megasquirt, and I got the boost control package, and IAT sensor so I can eliminate the AFM. I will also be getting some rx7 460cc injectors when I can find some for sale. Total comes to about $330.. Cant wait!

[CleanNeon98]

you doing all this 13psi on stock internals?? how many miles?? i heard they are strong but damn

[Cardriverx]

you doing all this 13psi on stock internals?? how many miles?? i heard they are strong but damn

Around 250+ horsies is the point in which internals go bad.. well acually its usually the rings that break, then connecting rods. With just some nice ring and connecting rods, I could go to 300+ hp...

Ill be around 225 horsies, with 94k ish miles. Your welcome for a ride for proof haha


Also, I sent out the injectors to be cleaned and flow tested by witchhunter.. should be back in a week or so. I also finished building the MegaSquirt, and it will be on this wekeend! woot!

[Cardriverx]

got it started today, runs rough. I gotts mess with the after start enrichments. Im psyced!

[Cardriverx]

video at 10psi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoyrnOG18r4

[CleanNeon98]

video at 10psi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoyrnOG18r4
Looks like fun..i drove a mazdaspeed miata 04 the other day thing was great, i even had more fun in it than the 2 porsche carreras i drove before that
btw why do you shift so early?

[Cardriverx]

Looks like fun..i drove a mazdaspeed miata 04 the other day thing was great, i even had more fun in it than the 2 porsche carreras i drove before that
btw why do you shift so early?

there is no point shifting later, max torque is at 4500 rpm... power just drops off alittle after 6800 rpm. plus I was holding the camera stedy, so I wasent focusing very hard on my shift point.

As amatter of fact, when I get the megasquirt working, I think imma lower the rev limit to 6750 ish. Maybe soft rev limit at 6750 and hard cut at 7k

[Danronian]

Sounds nice!

I'd be interested to hear how it does in the 1/4 mile if you do run it. I like how it sounds fairly tame overall. Loud/annoying BOVs get old fast. Yours sounds very low-profile. Good luck on tuning it.

[Cardriverx]

Sounds nice!

I'd be interested to hear how it does in the 1/4 mile if you do run it. I like how it sounds fairly tame overall. Loud/annoying BOVs get old fast. Yours sounds very low-profile. Good luck on tuning it.

Thanks alot man. Ill take it to the 1/4 mile this spring. Its a recirc. BOV, you can hear it pretty good in person from the inside, pretty quiet from the outside.

[Danronian]

Thanks alot man. Ill take it to the 1/4 mile this spring. Its a recirc. BOV, you can hear it pretty good in person from the inside, pretty quiet from the outside.

Oh ok. Same way my friend's MSP is.

GL at the track!

[frosti108]

that car must be such a blast...

what A/F ratios are you going for? i was trying to look at the reader but my comp fails at video.

your right over in media... ever come towards exton? is it possible i might have seen you on route 100?


oh and in spring im guessing your going to maple grove? let me know


one more haha. where did u send your injectors to get tested and how much? i should do this for the 440's i have in my 240 (i bought them used, un tested)

[rotarychainsaw]

Suhweeeet! Turbo Miata is one thing I want to do someday. Sounds really nice, and looks like a blast.

[HKSdrift3r]

wow, cars looks like it pulls pretty nice with the turbo. are you still tuning it?

[scutzi128]

Your car would beat mine.

[CleanNeon98]

wana take me for a ride?? lol im curious to see this thing

[Cardriverx]

that car must be such a blast...

what A/F ratios are you going for? i was trying to look at the reader but my comp fails at video.

your right over in media... ever come towards exton? is it possible i might have seen you on route 100?


oh and in spring im guessing your going to maple grove? let me know


one more haha. where did u send your injectors to get tested and how much? i should do this for the 440's i have in my 240 (i bought them used, un tested)

like 12.3:1 max under boost

you may have seen me on roue 100..

imma go eaither there or atco or cecil raceway

witchhunter.com they were GREAT



HKS- im trying to get the megasquirt to work.

cleanneon- sure!

scutzi- :)

[scutzi128]

Do you know what kinda of fuel economy you are getting with the turbo?

[namdoogwerdna]

Congrats on the progress man, I'd love to go for a ride around the block at the WC meet if you have time

[Cardriverx]

Do you know what kinda of fuel economy you are getting with the turbo?

if I stay totally out of it, like 23 ish MPG, driving hard alot less, maybe 13.

namdoog- sure fine with me.

[Instigator1225]

i lol'ed at the videos

[Cardriverx]

i lol'ed at the videos

I guess im that funny :eek:

[Cardriverx]

oh and update, got a bad batch of gas the other day, the car knocked like a m fer. Threw a gallon of toluene in the tank, works great. Imma save my other gallon for the strip (one gallon of 93 and one gallon of toluene = 103 octaine) =)

[DPancoast]

wow, this has been an awesome thread thus far! I've only ever seen 1 turbo Miata in person and it looked good but that's all I knew! haha

your videos are awesome (subscribed!). So free and smooth revving. Plus the Miata is always a car that when they park next to me in my MR2, I'm like...wow THAT car is small haha.

[Cardriverx]

wow, this has been an awesome thread thus far! I've only ever seen 1 turbo Miata in person and it looked good but that's all I knew! haha

your videos are awesome (subscribed!). So free and smooth revving. Plus the Miata is always a car that when they park next to me in my MR2, I'm like...wow THAT car is small haha.

I also have a light flywheel (7 lbs) on the car, one of the best mods I did next to the turbo and tires, really lets it rev quick.

[DPancoast]

hmmm, that would make sense no doubt. I never really thought about it.

[Cardriverx]

well I ran at cecil and here are my results

First off, an explaintion. I did not launch the car, it has the 1.6l engine diff, which will blow on me if I do. Seconded, this was the first time I was at a strip with my car.

ok so....

r/t - .079
60' - 2.794 (sucks really bad)
330 - 6.995
1/8 - 10.222 @78.5
1000 - 12.948

and youll laugh at this number
1/4 - 15.2

but not this number
at 102 mph


So bacially I have the ability to run a 14 flat... its all the driver haha

[Blkmax]

102 trap is good for 13's, but that 60' has to come down lol. Did you only run once?

Cool car none the less!

[turbo4g63]

that trap speed is so high b/c of your 60'....when i was putting down a horrible 2.4 60' i was trapping at about 104mph....i got it down to a 2.0 and i was trapping 99mph. i think my times were 15.1@103 and a 14.5@99mph. Both of these times were with the same exact setup minus the downpipe.

[scutzi128]

Why would trap speed go down with a faster 60' time? That doesn't really make any sense.

[Cardriverx]

Why would trap speed go down with a faster 60' time? That doesn't really make any sense.

no, it really doesent :confused:

[frosti108]

your right 2.794 is horrible lol work on your holeshot and you should really be good for mid 13s. those have stock limited slip right? what rear tires do you have?

bring those revs up and slip that clutch more

[Renegade_]

Why would trap speed go down with a faster 60' time? That doesn't really make any sense.
Getting out of the hole faster doesn't mean you will have higher speed, it just means either your tires hooked up and you didn't spin.

Getting out of the hole fast isn't synonymous with faster speed, if you get out of the hole faster at a slower speed you will have less track to accelerate the rest of the way.

Thats what hes saying.

[Chris_PA]

When I had my old car at the track on street tires (spinning into 3rd), I would trap 110mph consistently
When I threw on DR's (hooked right into 2nd), I trapped 106-107
Same day and everything

Dunno why that happens but it does

[OMGz Turbo]

i like the progress looking good.


Im interested in the toulene how much is it per gallon, any benefit to running it besides the added octane...what about disadvantages

[Cardriverx]

I got the toulene for $11 a gallon, I just needed a quick octane boost. Toulene is 114 octane, burns just like gas...

As for m launch, my year and older cars came with a weak 6 inch diff. It wil almost defently blow if I launch it. I need to swap for a 7 inch diff whenever I get the $$..

[Silverfc88]

Some people run Toulene with a little lubricant like MMO. I ran it a few times a few years ago, but I like to run it like I do on the street. I really don't know if its worth it when you can fill up with a couple of gallons of race gas at the track. Just get some practice in and I'm sure those times will drop. With the 100+ traps it should be good for mid 13 sec times.

[Cardriverx]

So I blew the diff up yesterday. The 93 and earlyer miatas came with a 6 inch diff, and fail easy. Id like to swap in a 94+ 7 inch diff, but I do not have the funds.. plus I need to find a way to tow the car back. damn!

[turbo4g63]

i figured that would happen sooner or later...you are putting about 170whp through a diff that was built for 100whp. Maybe you could find one in a junk yard somewhere...search around, there is a good deal to be had somewhere

[Cardriverx]

found a good deal! $300 for a full convertion for the stronger diff. woohoo

[Cardriverx]

Just a update, got the car running! Launched it a few times, the stronger diff is nice. Also have a oil temp gauge now haha..

[Cardriverx]

The MegaSquirt works!

yeah, full 12x12 fuel and timeing tables, launch control, elec. boost control, I can change everything.

now at 13 psi of boost, and damn its fast. :banana::banana:

[Cardriverx]

Update

5/13

The megasquirt is working good now. Im tuneing the fuel table, havent messed with spark much. The elec. boost control works great! Its sweet. I also have the launch control working.

Once I have the car tuned im looking for 230 ish HP, even now its awesomely fast.

For anyone who doesent know what megasquirt is, its bacially a ecu that can be run standalone or piggyback, has full fuel and spark control (12x12 tables, there is a high res code for like 24x24 tables), launch control, boost conteol, nitros control, meth, rev limits, idle, everything you can think of.

You can get the kit and you solder it together for around $350. Took me a whole weekend of soldering. Prebuilts are like $500+.

Its very capiable for the $$ I spent!

[Silverfc88]

Good deal! I've heard some good results from people using Megasquirt. How is the timing maps charted? Map x rpm's ? Load x RPM's ? Are you logging AFR's per RPM's?

[Cardriverx]

Good deal! I've heard some good results from people using Megasquirt. How is the timing maps charted? Map x rpm's ? Load x RPM's ? Are you logging AFR's per RPM's?

timeing and fuel are map vs rpm.

It has a autotune/afr correction in which it uses my LC-1 wideband to get a disered AFR at a givin map vs rpm.

I use the mega log veiwer, free and I can log everything, rpm, afr, map, coolant temp, air intake temp, etc etc.

[Cardriverx]

Alright I got the EBC holding it at 13 psi, thing is nuts in the rain. Now I need to tune fuel and spark!

[boostedfury]

you are crazy man and your car is now officially faster than mine lol!! Awesome

[Cardriverx]

you are crazy man and your car is now officially faster than mine lol!! Awesome

thanks! Now if only I could have the torque you have lol.

[S4toSTI]

Any pictures of the car?

[Cardriverx]

sure, ill take some tommorow, got nothing better to do.

In other news, I just got a old toshiba laptop off ebay for $30 shipped, it only supports windows 98 but runs megatune great and has a good battery =). I got a good deal!

[OBEEWON]

what type of diff? You should get some quarter mile times. Dont take much to move miata's.

[Cardriverx]

what type of diff? You should get some quarter mile times. Dont take much to move miata's.

Just an open diff for now, I was cheap and is the 7 inch (larger) diff. Imma swap in a rx7 clutch type lsd this summer.

I should be 13s dependant on my driveing abilities... lol. If someone will led me drag tires ill try for 13 flat! haha

[Cardriverx]

PICTURES page 1!!!!

PICTURES page 1!!!!

PICTURES page 1!!!!

[Cardriverx]

Also, heres a pic of a datalog of a 3rd-4th-5th gear run!

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2271/mslogrn8.jpg

[Cardriverx]

put in solid diff mounts today, what a difference. No mo wheel hop when launching it!!

[teh DIRT]

solid diff mounts cured wheel hop eh? My bmw hops like its gona explode, maybe ill look into replacing those.

[Cardriverx]

solid diff mounts cured wheel hop eh? My bmw hops like its gona explode, maybe ill look into replacing those.

Yeah, on the miata the diff houseing has 2 "arms" comeing out of it, 1 on each side. At the end of each arm is a rubber bushing, and the whole thing suspends the diff. It was easy to move the diff around with the rubber mounts, I could wiggle it with my hands. I assume that would let the diff wind up and let go alot when launching, causeing wheel hop. I put some delrin bushings in, worked great.

pic for example http://members.aol.com/solomiata/mx5diff.jpg

[turbotim]

Lookin' nice! I've seen a lot of that megasquirt since they came out with a plug-in-play for the miatas. Definitely a killer deal, I would have gone that route with my car if it was as developed back when I needed a better standalone. I'm seriously considering going with one in parallel on my subie or the wife's cooper. The amount of support for it is incredible.

[Cardriverx]

6/26 update!

Well it seems my wastegate was bleeding off boost because I used too weak a wastegate can. So I rigged up a spring, now I get much quicker spool! (13 psi at 3500 rpm)

Also, im going to be converting to a coil over plug setup soon, using coils form a toyota. This will give me a more powerful spark, and should get rid of some very slight hesitation I have and allow me to run a little bigger plug gap.

[Cardriverx]

UPDATE!

7/2/08


Got the coil over plugs on! They rock, no more high rpm/boost studdering. They are from a toyota, I just had to adjust my dwell settings on my megasquirt :mrgreen:


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/Miata002.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/Miata003.jpg

[turbo4g63]

That's the ugliest COP setup i've ever seen.

[russiankid]

Looking good. Paint that valve cover!

[Cardriverx]

That's the ugliest COP setup i've ever seen.

Im makeing a aluminum rail to hold them down but other than that, I dont really care how it looks as long as it works right!

[BradC]

That's the ugliest COP setup i've ever seen.

Personally, I think its the best $18 COP setup I've ever seen.

[Cardriverx]

Better?


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/Miata.jpg

[russiankid]

Looks better. Did you have a distributor prior to this? Must have been a bitch adjusting the timing?

[namdoogwerdna]

looks good steve, keep it up

[Cardriverx]

Looks better. Did you have a distributor prior to this? Must have been a bitch adjusting the timing?

No it uses that cam angle sensor thats on the back of the head. I did the COPS because I got a bitchin deal, it gets rid of plug wires, and gives me a better spark that got rid of some studdering I had.

[russiankid]

No it uses that cam angle sensor thats on the back of the head. I did the COPS because I got a bitchin deal, it gets rid of plug wires, and gives me a better spark that got rid of some studdering I had.

Oh, good deal. For a second I was like that much be a bitch to get to the bolts.

[wheresmycar]

Looks good. How much did this setup run you?

[Cardriverx]

Looks good. How much did this setup run you?

Man Ive bought it peice by peice so idk, I would guess maybe $2000 for everything so far? lol :mrgreen:

[Cardriverx]

So today I was bored so I was messing with the EBC so I could do some runs at 15 psi... good stuff. The car is so quick, I just wish I had some nice rods and piston rings in the engine so I could try for 20 psi.

Supposedly 13 to 14 psi is reasonably reliable on a stock 1.6L engines... its so tempting to run more tho, espically when I have the fuel and management to support it.

Then again do I really want to put a rod through my block... mmm...

[Cardriverx]

Well I put a variable throttle position sensor, now that the MS has that input idle is much improved! It used to hunt before.


It was a 27$ peice from autozone, for GM or something, im glad I got it to fit =).


OH and I got launch control working good, building about 5 psi using it =) =)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/TPS001.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/TPS003.jpg

[teh DIRT]

wait? you never had a TPS before. thats unheard of.

[Cardriverx]

wait? you never had a TPS before. thats unheard of.

stock is just an on off switch, sucks lol.

[teh DIRT]

thats crazy, what good is a TPS that doesnt tell you position lol. Keep it up, love your build.

[Cardriverx]

thats crazy, what good is a TPS that doesnt tell you position lol. Keep it up, love your build.

Thanks!

Ill have to get a vid up, I have a nice place to mount the camera now :mrgreen:

plus now I can make 5 psi at launch... not that it does any good just spins tires quicker.

[Cardriverx]

Well I am goin to Univ of Pitt tommorow, without the car. So its going to be under covers for a few months... I just washed and clay bar'd and waxed it, so here are some pictures!


Oh and that rear finish panel im missing, my G/F just bought me one! What a b day gift.... shes the best. She helped me wax the car too haha! Too bad I wont beable to put the panel on it till thanksgiving! haha.



http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_0441.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_0448.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_0453.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_0445.jpg

[SUPRARICE87]

LOVE YOUR DOG!!!!!!

YOUR BUILD IS SO COOL!!!!!

If the miata is a chick car then that's one bad biiiiiicth!!!!!!
:afro:

[lagos]

I love the car and the project.
Get some nice wheels on there next and you'll be set.

[bjune]

nice miata i would like if it wasnt so small then i could fit but looks nice and it looks like good setup but fmic look a little small for 10psi

[DSMTJ]

hey man, you popped a u-turn in front of my jetta on edgemont ave last week. i was crusing behind you for a while, the car sounds and looks good!

[jdm free]

such a cute lil front mount

[dumpleRL]

looks nice as in pitt do you mean the school im at the johnstown campus

[Cardriverx]

hey man, you popped a u-turn in front of my jetta on edgemont ave last week. i was crusing behind you for a while, the car sounds and looks good!

really? cool, thanks!



looks nice as in pitt do you mean the school im at the johnstown campus

Yeah, main campus tho. Im going for engineering.



LOVE YOUR DOG!!!!!!

YOUR BUILD IS SO COOL!!!!!

If the miata is a chick car then that's one bad biiiiiicth!!!!!!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_0451.jpg

[Cardriverx]

oh and the dog is a weimaraner for those who dont know! =)

[Cardriverx]

Time for an update after all this time haha

When I get home for winter break im doing a few things

1) Seems one or more of the coils I have are going bad in the cold, got a new set going in.

2) A guy on miataturbo.net is haveing sets of frame rail reinforcements produced for cheap, and I got a set. So they are going on.

Other than that I plan to drive the crap outta it =)

[Cardriverx]

Oh forgot to mention I got new steering wheel too.. check it out! Its soo much nicer to drive with than the stock one... my g/f got it for me too haha

[disturbedfan121]

thats a good girlfriend lol

never realized you were on this site too lol

[motorvated]

nice wheel man..what kind of hub are you using? (sweet...three miata guys in a row posting! we are taking over TST!!!)

[Cardriverx]

its a cheapie ebay hub... worked great, but it is made of some cheap material... I guess thats what you get for like $10 llol.

[motorvated]

hmm..lmk how that hib works out. Ive heard some problems with them after some time. I want to put a nicer wheel in mine too, but im not spending a dime until im boosted.

[CleanNeon98]

Looks good Steve, what's in store next?

[Cardriverx]

Looks good Steve, what's in store next?

uh the frame rails... then I guess it depends on when I run into money haha. Suspension or wheels and tires.. I dont think an engine rebuild is in the foreseeable future so im at the max power wise for now.

[BradC]

uh the frame rails... then I guess it depends on when I run into money haha. Suspension or wheels and tires.. I dont think an engine rebuild is in the foreseeable future so im at the max power wise for now.

Did you get in on Stein's GB? Or did you get the FM ones? I have Stein's coming...group install?

[Cardriverx]

Did you get in on Stein's GB? Or did you get the FM ones? I have Stein's coming...group install?

Sorry I dident get back eairlyer, I just put them in haha. Yeah it was steins, awesome job for the price. The hardest part was coaxing the rail covers on, my frame rails were pretty beat up. Ill get some pictures in a little.

If you need any help, I could help ya this week.

[Cardriverx]

Well like the title says, assuming the deal doesent fall through I should have a water injection kit coming my way with a possible install this week while im home for spring break! Stay tuned.

p.s it will be controlled by megasquirt.

[lagos]

Nice. You'll like it a lot. Even if you dont use it to run more boost, it will give you a huge safety margin for your current setup.

[antman0408]

Are you going to use it for an extra safety feature (control detonation) or going to turn up the boost higher? Where are you going to place the nozzles?

[terfer]

It looks cool, the little ic looks like a tooth haha

[Cardriverx]

Are you going to use it for an extra safety feature (control detonation) or going to turn up the boost higher? Where are you going to place the nozzles?

I will advance the timing a little up top to gain a little more power. Mostly I got it so I can run a little more timing, have better knock resistance, and the water steam cleans a engine well haha.

One 3 or 5 GPH nozzle will be what im running, and it will be in the charge pipe right before the throttle body.

[Cardriverx]

Alright everything looks good! here is a pic of what im getting, it will problaly need a couple little parts to complete, but its a good deal.

One pump, solenoid, and both M15 nozzles will be for sale shortly. PM me if interested.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm133/splitime/For%20Sale/IMG_0456.jpg

[antman0408]

If you're just going to spray water, you should look into injecting it pre-turbo.

[lagos]

I'll tell you what, that little setup right there is a lot better then some of those 900$ kits.
Why? Because it actually includes braided fuel line, and not a .50c nylon tube to deliver highly flammable alcohol.

[Got Insulin?]

Is there any difference between running meth and water? They both do basically similar things, correct?

[lagos]

If you're just going to spray water, you should look into injecting it pre-turbo.

I don't know where you heard that, but its wrong. Regardless of what you inject, it should be as close to the combustion chamber as possible.

[lagos]

Is there any difference between running meth and water? They both do basically similar things, correct?

Yes there is.
Water = good protection, lets you run a little bit more boost/timing
Alcohol = Even better
Meth = Best.

[Got Insulin?]

Yes there is.
Water = good protection, lets you run a little bit more boost/timing
Alcohol = Even better
Meth = Best.

Gotcha. It made sense when I thought about it that way, but I thought maybe I was missing something. Thanks!

[CleanNeon98]

What are the benefits of running meth? Lets say that I wanted to put it on my car with the same mods and boost levels...what would I see...

[Cardriverx]

Ok here is a quick run down.

antman, no not at all. Injecting the water after the intercooler cools the air even more.

The difference between the fluids is this.

Water has a very high specific heat, it can absorb around 3x the heat of meth, which is why it is great for det. resistance. Just running water injection alone wont increase power, but advanceing the timing will because it wont knock.

Meth will actually combust because its flammable and has a octane of like 110. So it cools the air a little, and raises the octane of the fuel injected. It adds energy to the charge.

Also, meth will be more expensive. And you could run %50 water %50 denatured alcohol to add some energy to the fuel and still have the cooling of the water.

[antman0408]

I'm not gonna have a debate in your thread, but do some research about it. I know what I'm talking about.

[gtsiawd96]

I'm not gonna have a debate in your thread, but do some research about it. I know what I'm talking about.

I don't think you do.

Here is quote taken directly from snowperformance.com FAQ section. "• Centrifugal/Turbo: (Procharger, Vortech, Paxton, Powerdyne, Rotrex, etc.) Never mount an injector nozzle before a centrifugal supercharger or turbocharger compressor. Sending fluid through the compressor wheel that spins anywhere from 50,000rpm to 250,000rpm can erode the leading edges of the fine aluminum, as well as serve to reduce the atomization. Instead of a fine mist, the compressor housing will create a river of fluid along the outside wall that means we get less benefit and use more fluid."

Cardriverx your set-up looks good and you seem well informed. I'm also debating on going with this set-up. It depends on if I decide to keep the current turbo or not. The torque you can really get out of a smaller turbo and bumping the timing up a little with methanol/water injection is awesome. Especially for a street driven vehicle.

[Cardriverx]

I'm not gonna have a debate in your thread, but do some research about it. I know what I'm talking about.

No, I dont think you do. For the reasons mentioned above and because injecting the water before the intercooler will cool the charge below ambient, and then the intercooler will actually heat it to ambient temp. It is basically defeating the purpose.

[russiankid]

Wouldn't water also get trapped inside the intercooler?

[Cardriverx]

Wouldn't water also get trapped inside the intercooler?

with the pressures, I doubt it. It would just be pointless and ruin the point of haveing water injection.

[wheresmycar]

I'm subconciously following in your footsteps at a snails pace.
Step 1: get a black 93'
Step 2: Get it to pass inspection. Uh-oh.
Step3: etc,etc,etc...

[Cardriverx]

Well the stuff its on its way! Along with a fancy new devils own nozzle. Maybe I can have it on this weekend...

My extra stuff is for sale too!

[Cardriverx]

Well I got the WI done, and fabbed up a whole new exhaust, it sounds sweet now (the Harbor Freight welder worked susprizeingly well.). Running about 17 degrees of timing up top, it pulls good. Maybe if I save up a little I can do some suspension work now!

[Turbo s60R]

spotted you the other day on rt 1. and 452 waiting in traffic and figured it was a waste of time waving because without the volvo you would have had no clue who it was anyway hahahha car looked great tho

[motorvated]

Awesome man!

[Cardriverx]

spotted you the other day on rt 1. and 452 waiting in traffic and figured it was a waste of time waving because without the volvo you would have had no clue who it was anyway hahahha car looked great tho

lol I was probably heading to or from class, thanks man!



Some pictures of the exhaust...

Damn they are large haha

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_1112.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_1111.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_1113.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/P1020225.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g42/cardriverx/IMG_1110.jpg

[wheresmycar]

Ooooh freedom.
How's that exhaust sound?

[lagos]

you know, you can resize pics right inside of photobucket, right?

the water injection is a really good upgrade for na-t cars. even if you dont use it to push more boost, it will add a nice layer of protection to your setup. nice job!

[CleanNeon98]

Glad to see more work with this. We need to do a Miata Drag (no homo) day sometime this summer.

[DPancoast]

very nice.

[Cardriverx]

So like I said, I just got the MS2 in (bought with a Megasquirt 3 case so I can update the processor soon!). The closed loop boost control is GREAT! Among the various other updated features. It is now running full stand alone, no pussy **** here.

Im dialing it in as we speak, ill be at BlownEuros sunday if anyone else will be there.

Also, my last turbo blew (**** in the oil passage) so I took a risk and bought a CXracing ebay T3/T4 turbo. Build quality looks great, and it works well so far. all for $160! It also has a V band downpipe outlet, which is great.

The turbo lags, sure, but it hits HARD and thats what I like.

Oh, PLEASE Ignore the ****ty welds. All I have is a Harbor Freight Flux welder, and the welds it makes look like ****. But they do hold well aha.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_uktR45iHc4Q/S_i1BqC_3zI/AAAAAAAAAZ4/F8p5WZhgB64/s1024/IMAG0186.jpg



http://lh6.ggpht.com/_uktR45iHc4Q/S_i1BUyMsCI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/41dO89YxkbE/s720/IMAG0183.jpg



http://lh5.ggpht.com/_uktR45iHc4Q/S_i1AVhXzKI/AAAAAAAAAZw/0OnRcxpxUpA/s1024/IMAG0193.jpg

[09civicsisedan]

If you're just going to spray water, you should look into injecting it pre-turbo.

what? no.

have you seen what water does to a turbo that's 300*? LOL

[09civicsisedan]

What are the benefits of running meth? Lets say that I wanted to put it on my car with the same mods and boost levels...what would I see...

Meth cools temps (layman's terms so it's easier to understand for "newbs") so you can add timing which equals hotter engine, but more power. Meth cools it down so you have 0 KR.

And we all know what KR can do to an engine! :bigeek:

[Elliott18t]

what? No.

Have you seen what water does to a turbo that's 300*? Lol

lololol

[Cardriverx]

aha, what is going on in here? Whatever, free bumps for me lol.