Car won't run I might need a little help

[twistedlanes]

So I'm on my way home last Friday and all of a sudden my car decides it doesn't want to run anymore. I did all the usual checks, I had gas and power and the car started fine, it just died right after I started it. Frustrated I left the car where it was and went home to think about what the problem could be. The next day after spending all night trying to figure it out on my own I had the car towed to a shop around the corner from my house.

My car has been in the bay since Monday morning and the guys there don't know what the problem is exactly but they believe they have narrowed it down. One guys says replace the ecm.(?) Another guy says that I'm gettiing power from both wires on the singl einjector that he tested and that I shouldn't be(?) but he did say that a couple of my spark plugs were bad along with the wires which I have confirmed. I don't want to pay them for hours of labor for testing my car and not knowing whats going on so I've decided to just go ahead and try to fix it myself. After looking at diagrams and seeing what it could be heres what I'm gonna try to do.

First I'm gonna replace all of the spark plugs and wires, if that does nothing I'll replace the ignition control module. These two things according to the diagrams that I've been looking over would probably have the most effect on the problem I'm having. The very last thing that I'll do is replace ecm, I don't think that there is a problem with it if my car starts in the first place and runs for a second, but a shorted spark plug wire might because its tied into the injector circuit.

I'm no expert but I'm gonna try this so if anyone has any suggestions please let me know.

Oh heres one of the diagrams I'm using I got it off of autozone's site if it helps.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u175/Twistedlanes/wiringdiagramforengine.gif

[twistedlanes]

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[1gmfanatik]

Was she hard to start? I'm also wondering if she stalled from fuel starvation. Did you try to hit the gas to keep her runnin? Is there a bogging feeling and/or sound?? Could be injectors, or a fuel rail issue. Fuel filter could be clogged. How was she runnin beforehand??

[tjf]

fuel pump maybe?

[twistedlanes]

No it wasn't hard to start it starts right up but after the initial startup it dies. Checked the fuel pressure and I'm fine there, no bogging, it even stayed started a few times but as soon as I put it in gear or step on the gas it dies. I'm going to replace the Igntion control module today and see how that works, I also know that my spark plug wires are going to need to be changed so I'm just going to do the plugs while I have them out.

[Dave]

i call hall effect sensor, it should be a little disk in the distributor

[redwrxwagon02]

well start with the basics
feul spark air
you have feul
you know your spark is bad - plugs and wires first
air is a no brainer but its basic
replace the wires and all that and see how it does
then i want u to do something for me
get under neather the car and knock on your catalytic converter
nobody said anything about that yet
if you cat has started to die peices will break off
and clogg your muffler it use to happen to my accord all the time
that thing would stall constantly cuz of the clogged muffler
and i have to get under there and beat the muffler to losen up all the stuff before it would start and run for awhile

[twistedlanes]

Two things guys, 1) DIS direct ignition system, 2) the car was running fine four days ago, also I have an exhaust leak so I don't think a clogged exhaust is the problem. I just took the intake mainfold off so I can check the injector harness and injectors I'll be check in once I see how things are under there.

[twistedlanes]

oh yeah now I need a starter all of a sudden.

[redline]

Two things guys, 1) DIS direct ignition system, 2) the car was running fine four days ago, also I have an exhaust leak so I don't think a clogged exhaust is the problem. I just took the intake mainfold off so I can check the injector harness and injectors I'll be check in once I see how things are under there.

Does the 3.1 have an IAC valve if so start their. Can you keep it running with your foot on the gas? The ICM should be good, Take off the coils and Ohm them out and I would try Seafoam also.

[twistedlanes]

The motor itself is fine, the car starts but dies when I put my foot on the gas. It's an electrical problem, I'm sure because I've tested everything else air is there, and fuel is there, my battery and alternator are good, it's just down to the few parts that I've mentioned and whatever else I may be overlooking. I am wondering though, if a spark plug being bad (shorted in any way) will cause a knock sensor code even if the knock sensor is good. They seem to be in the same circuit. That is also why I was leaning towards the ICM.

[redline]

The motor itself is fine, the car starts but dies when I put my foot on the gas. It's an electrical problem, I'm sure because I've tested everything else air is there, and fuel is there, my battery and alternator are good, it's just down to the few parts that I've mentioned and whatever else I may be overlooking. I am wondering though, if a spark plug being bad (shorted in any way) will cause a knock sensor code even if the knock sensor is good. They seem to be in the same circuit. That is also why I was leaning towards the ICM.

Did you try searching through, www.60degreev6.com

[twistedlanes]

no I didn't I forgot all about them thanks.

[redline]

no I didn't I forgot all about them thanks.

Also Ohm out your Coolant Temp Sensor and see if it is reading correctly. This little sensor can mess everything up and it is easy to check. Take out the IAC and clean it with throttle/carb cleaner. I really doubt it's the ICM or it (Usually) wouldn't start at all.

[Metalhedd]

could be an O2 sensor.

[enigma]

It could be the crank position sensor, thats a pretty common problem on these cars.
Only problem, it that since the cars are 15 years old, chances are that your plastice sensor has welded itself to the block, and won't come out.
if you break it, you gotta pull the oil pan, and push the parts through the block.

[redline]

It could be the crank position sensor, thats a pretty common problem on these cars.
Only problem, it that since the cars are 15 years old, chances are that your plastice sensor has welded itself to the block, and won't come out.
if you break it, you gotta pull the oil pan, and push the parts through the block.

Your right the CPS is another problem area but again I doubt it bcause it started. They are also a PIA to get to.