blackvr-4s DSM project ::::updated 11/20/08 *Last page new set up and mod list*:::::

[blackvr4]

Current set up as of 11/19/08
Engine: JDM 6bolt 4G63, Brian Crower 272/272 cams, ARP headstuds, Stock composite headgasket, greddy kevlar timing belt.
Fuel: PTE 780CC injectors, walbro 255lph, SAFC2, Aeromotive adjustable fuel pressure regulator, snow peformance stage 1 meth kit w/ 625CC/min nozzle.
Drivetrain: XTD stage 4 6 puck unsprung clutch
Turbo: Holset HX35 turbo
Exhaust: Slow boy racing race manifold with integrated wastegate flange, 38mm ebay wastegate, evo3 O2 housing, ****ty custom made downpipe, 3inch custom made exhaust, megan racing muffler, Bulls eye power td05 turbine housing.
Intake: Forced performance 4inch intake, 2G maf sensor, extremepsi 6 dollar air filter, extreme psi short route FMIC, 2G throttle body elbow.
MISC: ebay catch can, PLX wideband, auto meter 30psi boost gauge, hallman pro manual boost controller.





BACK in MAY 2007
just scopped up this DSM for a good price (blown motor) i was gonna make one like this for my VR-4 but their is wayyy to much **** to make a thread about.

its a 1991 all wheel drive talon with 98K on the clock. car came with an extreme psi fmic, 550CC injectors, walbro 255 fuel pump, safc, 2G maf and 2G snorkel, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, full 3 inch exhaust, B16G turbo.

here are some pics. of before i got it.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized4-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized2-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized1-1.jpg

[blackvr4]

the only way for a DSM to travel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/ontheflatbed3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/ontheflatbed2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/ontheflatbed.jpg

[blackvr4]

got it to my GFs garage. (alot of motors have been put together at this place)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/dsmrear.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/dsmathome.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resizedathome2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resizedathome.jpg

[blackvr4]

a few hours i got it i already had the bumper off and stripping the FMIC.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/bumperbackoncleanedfmic.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/fmicstripped.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/blackfmic.jpg

[blackvr4]

before.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/enginebayresized.jpg

~6 hours later.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/noengine.jpg

alot of **** has to be deleted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/noengine2.jpg

4G63

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/4G63.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/4G632.jpg

[freebmx444]

i liked the flat black intercooler, good luck with it 1g's can be veryquick!

[blackvr4]

the stance without a motor.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/dsmwheelie2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/dsmwheelie.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/dsmliftkit.jpg

ill be tearing the motor apart real soon to find out what exactly happened, i just know its something real bad cause alot of coolant came out with the oil :mrgreen:

[blackvr4]

i liked the flat black intercooler, good luck with it 1g's can be veryquick!

yea man i was debating whether to keep it black or strip it, i just got bored and had to play with with my new toy LOL. ive had this car for like 3 weeks now. i havent touched it at all last week :(

[awdriver]

wow . nice find low miles and it looks like a clean body.i think this is the best route to build a reliable talon, good luck with your project.

[BradC]

looks good man, should have kept the FMIC black though ;)

I love how cars sit with the motor pulled, lol

[blackvr4]

took the motor apart today. boy what did i find in cyl number 2!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/motorresized.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/DSM-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/cyl1.jpg

WOA where did that go?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/3valve.jpg


OHH their it is :) (now thats an interference motor)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/valvechillin.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/valvesex.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/topview.jpg

i had a question as to how something like this happens? (i checked all the timing marks before i removed the head and everything was dead on, all the other valves where perfectly fine, cept cyl number 2) then i took a step back and realized i was working with 3 letters......Dee..asS...eeM........

[PaleDSM]

Damn, now that is some carnage!
The car looked killer with the fmic painted black!

[blackvr4]

finally some updates, car should be finished soon, im just gonna go with the 16G for now till the engine is broken in. then in about a month ill have the T67 on it.

well here are a few pics.

2G pistons/1G rods.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/1grods2Gpistons.jpg

ARPS and cometic HG.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/HGandARPS.jpg

clevite rod bearings, a head with only 7K on it, and kevlar T belt. i got really lucky when i was taking the cams off the destroyed head. i found out that it had the later gen "big hole" lifters, so i swapped them into the new head aswell which had small 1G lifters.

motor pretty much together, just gotta bold the exhaust manifold on and wg and paint the intake manifold. just gotta clean the block a little bit. got the tranny nice and clean.

http://www.midnitetuners.net/images/whitedsm/blueT%20belt.JPG

i also think i wanna buy a new lower timing cover just cause the original one is pretty ****ty looking, and get a new knock sensor, and a clutch and its set to go :)

other things i dont have pictured are just in the engine bay, deleted a ton of stuff, no cruise, no ac, almost all solenoids and vac lines gone, relocated the injecter resister pack, and obviously cleaned the engine bay really well, there was a ton of oil and such everywhere in it also deleted the blance shafts.

[markley02]

Nice. I can't wait to do this to a dsm myself.

[blackvr4]

yea man those cars are really simple to work on, not that 3000GTs arnt, its just you have to deal with a lot less motor :)

[turbo4g63]

lookin good so far...should run pretty good once its all bolted back together

[Raven18940]

I hope you kept the piston with the valve sticking out of it. Are those forged pistons you're throwing in or just standard ones? And why take out the balance shafts, aren't they there to dampen high speed vibrations?

[blackvr4]

offcourse i kept the piston with the valve sticking through it :)

and with DSMs the ones with deleted blance shafts run the same as the ones without them. in theory they are to limit engine vibration but in reality they cause a **** load of problems, when they float a bearing and kill ur entire valve train, and they also add more rotational wieght to the motor. in theory ur supposed to get a quicker reving motor/ more power. but i dono i jsut deleted them to simplify the thing.

and the pistons are just standard 2G pistons.

[redline]

offcourse i kept the piston with the valve sticking through it :)

and with DSMs the ones with deleted blance shafts run the same as the ones without them. in theory they are to limit engine vibration but in reality they cause a **** load of problems, when they float a bearing and kill ur entire valve train, and they also add more rotational wieght to the motor. in theory ur supposed to get a quicker reving motor/ more power. but i dono i jsut deleted them to simplify the thing.

and the pistons are just standard 2G pistons.

True, It is just one more thing to fail and take out a perfectly fine engine.

[screamingdsm]

Did you get the block and the head decked? Im telling you if one isnt perfect your gonna be pulling that head off 20 minutes after you get it running

[Silverfc88]

Man this thread is making me want to work on the DSM that has been sitting next to the house for almost a year. Hopefully before the end of summer I'll have it running.

[Raven18940]

Man this thread is making me want to work on the DSM that has been sitting next to the house for almost a year. Hopefully before the end of summer I'll have it running.

I know, I'm thinking about getting one. :)

[blackvr4]

Did you get the block and the head decked? Im telling you if one isnt perfect your gonna be pulling that head off 20 minutes after you get it running

hey man, i checked the block and the head with a strait edge and they where perfect. also when i got the head it was already decked, but i still checked anyways. on my GFs talon i never even did that or got it decked, just got a head from TJ, bolted everything on and that ****er has been good for awhile now :)

[screamingdsm]

alright well i hope your sure. Jay that that the 11 sec 14b put a fresh decked head on his car because he popped the head gasket. So he did a mitsu metal, arp head studs....car was just spewing coolant out the exhaust...because the head has to be a mirror finish, if not as soon and the car sees hard boost iit pushes coolant. Hate to see you go though the trouble

[blackvr4]

got off work last night went over to gfs garage, put the clutch on the motor, turbo and manifold, and trans, had all the **** assembled around 12:30am, had the motor and all the motor mounts bolted in around 3:30am, went to bed woke up put the rest together.

cranked it to build oil pressure for a bit, car had a tuff time starting, i checked the SAFC settings and on 550CC injectors at low throttle it was in +20% so it was flooding out, i zeroed it out, car fired right up, held the motor at 2000RPM for about 20mins. fixed a coolant leak put tcase and axles back in, went to drive it and the car would not go into gear :( bled the clutch some more, still wouldnt go into gear, tried readjusting the engagement point didnt do anything. the back of the master cylinder looked like it was leaking so i purchased a new one, threw it back in, bled the clutch and still cant get into gear :( which is a shame cause the car was ready to rock. i guess it must be the slave, because if u start the car in gear it starts driving around. well here are the pics. of it done.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/whitedsmenginebaydone.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/whitedsmengienbay2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/whiteDSMenginebaydone3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/whitedsmenginebaydone4.jpg

this sucks sooo much, the motor starts soo nice 2nd compression stroke and it fires right up idles at a pretty smoothe 800rpms, no smoke, just has 1 tiny coolant leak.

[SeMaxima99]

guessing that wasnt you then when i was pulling into kop tonight and a car like this was leaving? Otherwise keep up the work!

[blackvr4]

haha i wish it was my car :(

[SeMaxima99]

i hear ya. Ive been carless for like a month now because of parts that were owed to me from the previous owner and from my moms little mistake. Hope everything gets worked out for ya and at least you dont have to pay someone to do your work! I always love it when its simple stuff so i can get it done quick and not have to wait on others scheduals.

[whiteturbo]

wow keep it up, i have a fwd and want to pick up an awd really badly but it seems when you get a non running one the trans often times is crap...

[redwrxwagon02]

aww man beat slave cylinders FTL that sucks
how much work is it just to do the slave cylinder?

[blackvr4]

not too much, i really hope its it tho, because it does move which looks to be plenty. my only guess is that since i put a really high pressure clutch into it the slave cylinder is too old and cant keep up with it. i already replaced the master but that didnt do anything, atleast i know i have a new master now, now i just have to pull the slave cylinder and replace that. hopefully it will be driving thursday.

[markley02]

Have someone look through the peep hole in the bell housing while you push in the clutch to make sure everything is going good inside the bell housing before you go buying stuff.

[blackvr4]

ive been reading about the extended slave cylinder rod they sell for DSMs looks like some people need it some dont. i might pick that up its only like 25dollars and prolly a piece of cake to install. but yea ill also check out if its all moving too.

[screamingdsm]

Dont use the extended slave cylinder. It is a bandaid for a problem,not that it is your problem. I would look into the pivot ball and make sure that isnt messed up, or the clutch release fork. I have talked to atleast 3 of my friends that have 5spd dsms that are putting power down, and they all use the factory rod. Your best bet is to do a check list and make sure everything externally is in working order. If all is well, time to take out the trans. Ahhh i love dsms!

[redwrxwagon02]

..........can you spell dissappointment?...........

[turbo4g63]

..........can you spell dissappointment?...........

not without using the letters DSM....i think its coming together pretty well...maybe we'll see this at a meet sometime...you should bring it out to the bbq on August 12

[blackvr4]

Dont use the extended slave cylinder. It is a bandaid for a problem,not that it is your problem. I would look into the pivot ball and make sure that isnt messed up, or the clutch release fork. I have talked to atleast 3 of my friends that have 5spd dsms that are putting power down, and they all use the factory rod. Your best bet is to do a check list and make sure everything externally is in working order. If all is well, time to take out the trans. Ahhh i love dsms!

im really trying not to take the trans off, i just wanna drive this bastard so the motor can get broken in. i only wanna take the tranny off if it blows up or does something cool. plus where can i buy these clutch release forks? i assume the stock ones are complete trash if its already bent. the previous owner told me he had absolutly no problems with the clutch engagement ever.

[markley02]

You really just have to look through a peep hole and see what is going on. Don't take this as an insult, but maybe you popped that little collar thing off of the pressure plate putting the trans in. You never know.

[screamingdsm]

Yeah I would definatly look though the peep hole and see if anything is going on inside that you can see. I wouldnt want to blow up the tran to wanna take it out, because i dont think you wanna see what a awd will do when it locks all 4 tires up around 40-100 or more mph....

[blackvr4]

update.

25miles on the motor, noticed a **** load of smoke coming from the PCV hoses out of the valve cover, and an oil leak around the oil pump area. checked compression, cylenders 2-4 are all at exactly 180PSI.

cylender 1 is at 100PSI, LOL. <3 DSMs.

pulling motor out sunday seeing what ****ed up, and replacing some more ****. these cars rock like hott hookers with aids

[redwrxwagon02]

how do u spell a synonym for the words let down??????

[Nors]

Hey is that the factory TB elbow? I am currently building a 1st gen 6bolt with a 2g head and my elbow is tiny compared to that.

Good luck, you pretty much did everything I planned on doing until I ran out of money.

[blackvr4]

its a 2G elbow. ~50bucks new from extremepsi. im sure u could easily find a used one.

[blackvr4]

how do u spell a synonym for the words let down??????

W-A-G-O-N?

[redwrxwagon02]

W-A-G-O-N? lol not bad not bad

[blackvr4]

update, took the motor out of the car last night only took a little over 2 hours :) just me an my bro. that has been the fastest motor pull i have ever done. ill tear the block down today should only take a couple hours prolly. take it to machinest tomorow have it overbored, buy bigger pistons replace a few other things and hopefully it will be running in a little over a week.

[jordanrw]

Good progress. I've seen valves just snap and drop from old heads like that. Luckily they were immediately shut down and only nicked the top of the piston.

[blackvr4]

tore the motor completely down today. found out what happened to cylinder 1, looks like the top oil ring retainer cracked about a 3/4 inch section was sitting in the cylinder bore when i pulled hte piston out, also cylinder 1 has pretty back scoreing. another thing i noticed is that all the pistons had tiny exhaust valve markings on them. as if hte valves where tapping it, altho i checked the timing before i took the motor out and after i took the motor out and it was dead on. my only guess would have been if the machinest didnt center the hole when he bore it out for the 2G pistons or the head i bought has been decked too many times. i will have to ask him tomorow.

[redwrxwagon02]

lol mmmk lets find out how many times you can mill a dsm head until all the exhaust valves are chattering with excitement as they meet the miston for the first time lol that sucks man i gotta see this thing

[Nors]

Timing belt probably skipped teeth sometime before you got it. Probably when the Bshaft belt broke.

[blackvr4]

Timing belt probably skipped teeth sometime before you got it. Probably when the Bshaft belt broke.

this was on a head i purchased with 7000miles on it, and these where brand new 2G pistons that i put into the car. when i put the motor together there where no marks on anything. this is the 2nd time in pulling the motor, 1st time i got it with a floated valve so it was useless, then i put it together and cylinder 1 had only 90psi compression while everything else had 180.

[SpoolinDSM]

damn dude nice!

[blackvr4]

havent updated in awhile but here is how it went up until sept 2007
got new 2G pistons got the block over bored (20 over) put everything back together. car drove really well for 100miles then noticed a knocking. pulled everything apart spun rod bearing number 2, this was in august :( was really frustrated didnt know what to do. cut my wrists, cried colored hair black.

saved some money bought a JDM 4G63 put it in around september or october. car has been running great since then have about 3000miles on the engine now alot of beating and racing, running a full 16G set up at 22psi. will be putting on BC 272 cams in it this weekend, then in a few weeks putting in alky injection and seeing how it lasts. i will also fix all the pictures on the 1st page. but here are some pics of what the car looks like now.

http://a909.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/63/l_950e9867ef7b1e2a9fedd6db9df55ce4.jpg

http://a357.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/5/l_62b71f602d17d14dca5568a368342dec.jpg

http://a486.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/47/l_df0c1a545715c9e9df2e16c442b14aed.jpg

http://a127.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/71/l_9b685bdf7e2eee1451bbf5b426275d76.jpg

http://a217.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/54/l_659a0e9aaf90980af94674f95e3600f8.jpg

http://a766.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/94/l_217c386b2ea85f6593fb60e7fb25581d.jpg

i fixed all the problems with the clutch not fully disengaging (new clutch release fork, new pivot ball shimmed, slave extension rod, new slave cyl, new master) sprayed the wheels black, replaced the retarded intercooler pipe altho i dont have it pictured and it has the black valve cover instead of the JDM red one, replaced the 2G manifold with the SBR manifold, replaced the stock 02 housing with the evo3 02 housing. thanks for reading my DSM nightmare.

[yugotdonkey]

ahh looks just like my old old 1g. Gotta get me another one

[blackvr4]

dude get another, 1Gs are the ish.

[screamingdsm]

looks good man

[blackvr4]

some really recent pics, taken like 20 mins ago. enjoy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/talonresized.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/talonresized2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/talonresized4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/talonresized5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/talonresized6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/talonresized3.jpg

[blackvr4]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/crower272sresized.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/crower272s.jpg

brian crower 272s, on back order now got the last set, major props to extremepsi for hookin me up with these. ill have them in this weekend and i got a few cars i raced earlier this week that im gonna run this weekend after the cams so i can make a comparo between stock cams and 272s. should be fun. ill also post the idle videos as well.

[TalonTsi97]

Nice car, i definitely wanna see a vid of the idle with them cams. Get some video of some pulls if you can, id like to hear it in action.

[HKSdrift3r]

ahh, how i miss my 1g!!! good luck with the cams and the car, great build!

[blackvr4]

Nice car, i definitely wanna see a vid of the idle with them cams. Get some video of some pulls if you can, id like to hear it in action.

this is when it was on 15psi, slow as hell.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/081c1f10-294e-4c3a-8349-99f7003722b8.htm

i also have a few where i raced my GFs 14B talon but i dont have them uploaded yet.

[DPancoast]

haha...he said slow....

That launch after the first race was out of control.

That VR4 sounds mean as hell too.

[blackvr4]

thats my bros VR-4, the car is going to feel slow for me for awhile because i have a vr-4 running twin 16Gs which is prolly making over 450wheel, last time i drove my Vr-4 it spins and torque steers in 3rd, i almost crashed into a curb....

[HKSdrift3r]

that vr4 sounds like seks!!

[DPancoast]

thats my bros VR-4, the car is going to feel slow for me for awhile because i have a vr-4 running twin 16Gs which is prolly making over 450wheel, last time i drove my Vr-4 it spins and torque steers in 3rd, i almost crashed into a curb....

Yeah... I guess if I put myself in your place and had 2 turbo cars...I would feel the same way haha. I dunno, I'm just deprived.... :bs:

[blackvr4]

Yeah... I guess if I put myself in your place and had 2 turbo cars...I would feel the same way haha. I dunno, I'm just deprived.... :bs:

haha yea man it sucks sometimes. because when you daily drive a car that had around 400HP at the time and switch to daily driving a car that has prolly like below 300 it feels soo slow makes you want to have a fast daily driver again :)

[blackvr4]

got the cams in last night at around 3am. idle sounds pretty ****ing mean, i have to re tune it and mess with the base timing because the car doesnt really feel much faster than it did before. but ill post the idle video tomorrow, comparing the difference. if everything is ok ill try to run my friend who i ran earlier this week to see how much of a difference they made.

[blackvr4]

stock cams vs brian crower 272s idling

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/039c2f1f-6c0f-48b0-b7f9-9a530142f52b.htm

[turbo4g63]

i've been contemplating getting cams for some time now. I would have jnz tuning put them in for me, but would i just be able to throw them on my car without tuning and it would run fine, or would i need some sort of tuning device (other than the safcII) to get my car running good? How much of a difference can you feel with no tuning? It should have a good bit more power up top.

EDIT: i just saw on extremepsi.com that they are a "plug and play application" so i guess my car would run fine with them in...i just wouldn't be getting the most out of them without tuning

[screamingdsm]

it will run fine. The aiflow is gonna be higher, so tuning is necessary. Alot of your power is gonna be if the mid to upper rpms also.

[97TurboDSM]

sounds awesome with the cams...i want cams eventually too, hopefully soon...bill, did you get dsmlink yet? and when you do, can i have your safc2?

[turbo4g63]

sounds awesome with the cams...i want cams eventually too, hopefully soon...bill, did you get dsmlink yet? and when you do, can i have your safc2?

thats if i get dsmlink....i've been keeping an eye out for one used for a while....i'm trying to see if i can find a good deal before i take the plunge

[blackvr4]

i think i'm finally understanding how to dial in this set up with these cams.

[HKSdrift3r]

those cams sound sick!!

[JKZ]

Nice to hear you figuring out the cams. Hopefully you are feeling the power gain now.
Sounds mean, sounds alot different in person damn camara microphones...

[blackvr4]

treating like a DSM :)

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1g-dsm-launching_155121.htm

[redline]

Def coming along! Sounds lumpy:lol: I'm also going with BC cams, for the money they can't be beat.

[blackvr4]

update, got snow performance stage 1 meth kit, i almost have everything hooked up just waiting for the long meth line to come in from snow performance to go from trunk to front of the car, and i also have to get the nozzle bung welded to the TB elbow which should be this week. hopefully i can be at 25-28psi next week :) thought the set up in the engine bay was really clean you can only see the relay mounted on the firewall near the mastercylinder, i also purchased a catch can which i installed right near the air filter.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized2-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized3-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized4-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized5-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized6-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized7.jpg

[blackvr4]

i also bought a talon nose piece to replace the eclipse one a few months ago just havent posted a pic of it yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/resized8.jpg

[97TurboDSM]

awesome.

[blackvr4]

havent up dated in awhile. anyways i maxed out the 16G set up at 28psi, did some research and went with a bigger turbo, still kind of dialing it in, i maxed out the RC 550 that i had at 22psi on this new set up, i recently switched to PTE 780s. car is running 26psi right now, i'm waiting to get a new downpipe and wire in my PLX wideband, car feels pretty quick, but i still have a few kinks to work out, my tune is really rough and the car isnt nearly as fast as it can be yet.

here is a video of my car running a 12sec sti.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/subaru-sti-vs-eagle-talon_200247.htm

here are some pics of the turbo.

dr650 (3000gt turbo) and the holset hx35
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/dr650vshx35.jpg

here is a 14b, E16G, and holset hx35
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/14b16ghx35.jpg

here is what the engine bay looked like with the 16G

http://a357.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/5/l_62b71f602d17d14dca5568a368342dec.jpg

and this is after the hx35.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/enginebayresized2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/enginebayresized3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/enginebayresized-1.jpg

im pretty sure im going to start saving up for DSMlink next, i will also post the updated mod list on the 1st page

thanks for reading.

[Got Insulin?]

My next turbo for the stroker on the stand, lol. I'm in the "saving for Link" boat, too. I've got the funds, just can't find one for a 1G. Damn you Link Ver3! lol

Where'd you pick up the stainless feed line from the head from?

[blackvr4]

My next turbo for the stroker on the stand, lol. I'm in the "saving for Link" boat, too. I've got the funds, just can't find one for a 1G. Damn you Link Ver3! lol

Where'd you pick up the stainless feed line from the head from?

extremepsi! i got the BEP housing from them as well.

but yea man that ver3 for link looks sooooo goood!!! maybe after winter ill have enuff.

[assault187]

Looks good, Keep it up!

[screamingdsm]

havent up dated in awhile. anyways i maxed out the 16G set up at 28psi, did some research and went with a bigger turbo, still kind of dialing it in, i maxed out the RC 550 that i had at 22psi on this new set up, i recently switched to PTE 780s. car is running 26psi right now, i'm waiting to get a new downpipe and wire in my PLX wideband, car feels pretty quick, but i still have a few kinks to work out, my tune is really rough and the car isnt nearly as fast as it can be yet.

here is a video of my car running a 12sec sti.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/subaru-sti-vs-eagle-talon_200247.htm

here are some pics of the turbo.

dr650 (3000gt turbo) and the holset hx35
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/dr650vshx35.jpg

here is a 14b, E16G, and holset hx35
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/14b16ghx35.jpg

here is what the engine bay looked like with the 16G

http://a357.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/5/l_62b71f602d17d14dca5568a368342dec.jpg

and this is after the hx35.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/enginebayresized2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/enginebayresized3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/enginebayresized-1.jpg

im pretty sure im going to start saving up for DSMlink next, i will also post the updated mod list on the 1st page

thanks for reading.
any reason why you ran the oil feed off the side of the head?

[jonwepa]

HOLSET's FTW!!! I am looking at putting one of them on my DET in march.....

Nice build-up and nice dedication. It really payed off for you. On a side note are you running cam gears with those cams? I always seem to hear that BC's need to be dialed in to produce nice gains, but once dialed in they supposely produce some pretty nice numbers. I know I had a set in my turbo'ed DE and they did nothing especially compared to the JWT S3's I had in before. Thats when I was told that they really need to be tuned and dialed in. JWT really spoils us SR guys with there drop in and go cams:-p

Anyway be sure to post some vids of that holset. I just drove in a holset powered DSM and was absolutely BLOWN away buy the power. I am sure your having fun now.

[1000whpTSi]

Nice!
I would ditch the OEM headgasket and opt for a MLS gasket.

[blackvr4]

any reason why you ran the oil feed off the side of the head?
hey steve, i just ran the feed from the head cause i read that i wouldnt need a restrictor or anything, plus its been working well with the 16G so i figured it should be ok, i have about 500 hard miles on this turbo and everything is fine so far!

oh and carver u where totally right about the 550s being WAY too small i maxed them out at 22 and couldnt get anymore out of them, my IDCs where at 100% and the car would break up sometimes at WOT especially when it was cold. I recently installed the PTE 780s and im at 26PSI with 0 knock and 86% duty cycle and no break up at all in any gears, so id like to say once again you where right and keep proving how well u know these cars!

ive talked to assualt and he feels that the stock ECU is really holding me back right now, maybe once spring time comes and they have some test time on the V3 ECMlink ill opt to go with that!

as of right now im just waiting to pay my ticket so i can buy the ebay DP and install my PLX wideband and see if i can tune the AFR a little bit!

[blackvr4]

On a side note are you running cam gears with those cams?
Anyway be sure to post some vids of that holset. I just drove in a holset powered DSM and was absolutely BLOWN away buy the power. I am sure your having fun now.

hey man thanks for reading and ur comments! right now im just running stock cam gears. the BC cams are really nice, i think you need a big turbo for them to actually do anything, cause on my 16G when i put them in i hardly noticed a difference, but now with this holset the car feels like its rippin pretty well.

[blackvr4]

Nice!
I would ditch the OEM headgasket and opt for a MLS gasket.

hey man ive read and screamingdsm has let me know that the OEM headgasket is good for around ~30 psi. I dont plan to run anywhere near that, right now i'm happy at the 26psi once i can tune it a little bit the car should be good!

but the MLS headgaskets are really nice, in know my Vr-4 uses OEM MLS headgaskets, with stock headbolts people hold like 33psi without problems!

[SpendOne]

I am running a composite gasket on mine. 126mph traps on 32 psi....holding just fine.

[blackvr4]

I am running a composite gasket on mine. 126mph traps on 32 psi....holding just fine.

these are the types of posts ive read that made me decide to stay on composite HG!

[screamingdsm]

these are the types of posts ive read that made me decide to stay on composite HG!

Yeah trust me and Matt, ive been on 26psi on pump gas on a as everyone calls it felblow head gasket. On c16 ive had it 31 32psi with no coolant push issues what so ever. Think of it as a fuse for your motor. This is was on the old school non efficent, your better off getting a gt35r, crappy pump gas 60-1, but somehow it worked for me lol. The idea is to make sure the tune is in check, 0 knock. Tuning is everything, word of mouth is nothing.

Go onto dsmtuners/dsmtalk, search 2003 and earlier post, 60-1 and that such size turbos where considered as big as you would wanna put on your street car. People would swear by 20g's and say thats big. Now street cars run gt42s and Borg warners, holsets. Im sure most of us were taught to follow the path less traveled! Man 5 years ago if you were like man im gonna put this holset on my car everyone would be like "your never going to spool it". Imagine if everyone always listened and noone tryed.

[blackvr4]

some people like to go by tried and true, ya know? if it worked back then it will still work, the holset spools pretty quick for nonBB and that size turbo
btw is ur gt42 BB?

[screamingdsm]

some people like to go by tried and true, ya know? if it worked back then it will still work, the holset spools pretty quick for nonBB and that size turbo
btw is ur gt42 BB?

Hell no, ball bearing isnt worth the extra 1000 dollars for 3-400 rpm spool difference. Thats what i have aem ems for. Plus i got this turbo for cheaper then you can get it in ANY performance shop. The "R" on the end of the turbo specifies ball bearing or not, usually if you see a gt35 gt35r gt4294 gt4294r gt28rs are acouple of examples. I think with the 1.01 t4 housing full divided setup it should hit around 4500-5000k leaving me plenty of power band.

[blackvr4]

Hell no, ball bearing isnt worth the extra 1000 dollars for 3-400 rpm spool difference. Thats what i have aem ems for. Plus i got this turbo for cheaper then you can get it in ANY performance shop. The "R" on the end of the turbo specifies ball bearing or not, usually if you see a gt35 gt35r gt4294 gt4294r gt28rs are acouple of examples. I think with the 1.01 t4 housing full divided setup it should hit around 4500-5000k leaving me plenty of power band.

yea BB is def overrated.

[Vr-4-Life]

dont bb turbos have a better life span then journal bearing turbos? i head they can tollerate compressor surge better too.

[blackvr4]

dont bb turbos have a better life span then journal bearing turbos? i head they can tollerate compressor surge better too.

lol you dont want to subject any turbo to compressor surge for no reason.

but turbos with antisurge housings are the best against compressor surge.

[Vr-4-Life]

no crap... im just saying i thought they can stand it better lol

on the other hand it does sound good lol

[screamingdsm]

yeah but id rather pay 4-500 for a rebuild, then 1000-1200 for a new center cartridge. Most cars running turbos of this size where compressor surge will be an issue dont get driven on the street everyday. Plus if your self consious about it backing off the throttle alittle bit when your going to shift and were slightly in boost helps slow the wheel down alittle so it dosent surge.

Surge only happens when a motor cant injest the volume of air being pushed, and there isnt enough air being discharged aka bov. When your going up a hill and are building 5 psi on a 65mm plus compressor size if you back off the gas alittle it will slow the wheel down then shift. This is speaking for 2 liter motors and such.

[blackvr4]

Car has been running great, got the 4bolt rear in finally, also got Rota Sub Zeros with Brigestone Potenzas 225/45R17.

Dont know what color to paint them, they are like a dark bronze color painted by the previous owner. I want to spray them black, but a few of my friends are saying i should spray them bronze. I dono know.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/rotasubzeros.jpg

[olmytsi]

Looks good, wheels look fine as is.

But id def do bronze over black if u must change the color.

[assault187]

Looks good the way it sits

[blackvr4]

The wheels def have to be painted because the previous owner did a pretty bad job painting them, the other side looks really bad. plus when i got the tires mounted they chipped all the paint off the lip, kinda hard to see in the pic but in person you can def tell.

[blackvr4]

Hey Guys haven't updated this in a bit. Car has been running good, radiator was cracked so I bought a mishimoto rad, I finally installed the manual steering rack and painted the rims black.

I am in the process of putting methanol back on the car because I am really not liking running 30psi on straight pump with no timing.

I also have discovered the drivers side ball joint has taken a **** so I have to replace it.

Here is a Launch video I shot some time towards the end of winter. Running 30psi, pump gas, NLTS, 2step, blah blah. (my tires were a little bald so it spun a little bit in the beginning)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/?action=view&current=MOV001.mp4

[jesse096]

God I want a 1G SO bad!

Looks good man!

-Jesse

[schaffer]

White on whyte.

[blackvr4]

Ok Guys thought I would update this, not much has been really going on with the car. Finally put in an awesome methanol set up that I am really happy with (has been in the car for about 6 months, no leaks no drama). Car gained a lot more power with the meth, DSMlink hp estimations went from ~380hp (13* timing, 30psi, straight pump) to ~570 (24* timing, 30psi, pump/meth)


Has been running strong for 3 years now. A lot of launches, NLTS, 30+PSI pulls. Until about a week ago, my stock trans finally gave up :(

Not sure if it was the trannies fault or my fault for launching in a sketchy area, But I will blame myself because most of the time when these things fail its almost 90% the owners fault.

Anyways, I launched' wheel hopped, rolled maybe 10 feet and realized the car wasn't moving, cracked the case, shredded 1st gear, etc. Something really wacky really had to have happened in the trans, the shifter pattern got really screwy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/e37a3b0f.jpg

Anyways, I bought a trans off craigslist that was stock, and that thing turned out ****ty, so I said eff it bought everything I need to press the gears off and on and figured time to make a positive out of a bad situation. Being that the only thing left for me to learn on cars is how to rebuild transmissions and paint.

As far as the specs on the trans I am putting together, it wont be exactly stock.

I am sending out the input shaft/1st/2nd gear to get shot peened, getting the center diff welded, buying billet shift forks (1-2, 3-4), and buying new roller bearings/races/seals for the intermediate shaft/input shaft. Going to shimm the tranny tighter to make sure the shafts don't walk apart.

Its a shame this happened now, I was planning to switch set ups because I have been getting kind of bored of this set up that I have had on the car for 3+ years now. Oh well.

[Spininall4s]

i knew it was only a matter of time...she held up good tho...now its time to stop pussy footing and slap on that 40 and some 10 sec passes lol do it while the new trans is fresh and get dr jekyll out the driver seat and put in Mr. Hyde.. definitely miss my brothas from a russian motha ...your not makin enough power if you aint breakin ****!!

[blackvr4]

i knew it was only a matter of time...she held up good tho...now its time to stop pussy footing and slap on that 40 and some 10 sec passes lol do it while the new trans is fresh and get dr jekyll out the driver seat and put in Mr. Hyde.. definitely miss my brothas from a russian motha ...your not makin enough power if you aint breakin ****!!

Yoooooooooo mah man! whats good? Hows cali life?

I was super bummed about the trans, wasnt sure if it broke cause of wheel hop or because it was time for it to let go. Either way the gearset/synchros except 1st looked really good that I pulled out of it! So I know NLTS is where is real at :)

Either way man keep in touch, hit me up sometime we can BS.

[blackvr4]

I havent updated this in a long time, car is obviously no longer a daily driver lol.

This is how the car currently sits. Stock Block so far has seen a max of 36psi, not sure what will find a limit first, turbo or motor. All built/tuned by me still learning a lot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/41c5de4f.jpg

I believe Bryan Troll snapped this photo of it at the shootout, stock suspension lol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/DarkMatterM4/529966_10150990415632681_1749838208_n.jpg

[dastpe]

that shot is sick! what is the best 1/4 its run?

[blackvr4]

At the shootout it ran a 11.5@120 off the trailer at 25psi (was my first time launching on the new tranny, tires, and set up) and kept having a wierd breaking up issue shifting into 4th, I fixed that problem and upped the boost another 10psi, I also didnt have antilag enabled and it was building about 10psi at the line, which netted a 1.700 sixty foot first try, since then I also threw antilag into the mix which helps it make about 25psi at the line, on the street from a stop it feels like the car is going to backflip. Not sure what it will go now, havent been back at the track :(

Here is a video on my friends private road.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fph9z0LazE&feature=plcp

[JerseyTuscani]

i will always love this car. i don't know how many times I remember seeing you run in mexico and saying "thats my russian negro"

[blackvr4]

Hahaha! thanks man! The car has come a long way, been through a lot of different things with it, you know me DSMs are my madness lol. Still a pretty mild set up on the car, hopefully this time next year Ill have a built motor and a S366 running on E85.