some newb honda questions

[CHAOS]

i know pretty much as little as most do about hondas... my question is... what does a normal k series engine cost? im considering trying to pick up an older hatch and dropping one in there but i have no idea what kind of cost im looking at

[CHR!S]

when you say older hatch, what year are you actually looking to get. also, prices for k20 longblocks w/ a tranny can cost anywhere from $2500 (k24: accord/element/tsx motor) up to $5500 (jdm k20a type-r motor). then you have to tack on all the extra parts that are needed which can bring the total cost up anywhere between $7,000-11,000. the cheapest chassis to swap into are the eg civic (92-95) and the dc integra (94-01)

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20860 for all the parts needed for 92-00 civics and 94-01 integras

[CHAOS]

i was thinking like... the 93-96? body style... ... so im looking at like 11 g's or so?

[CHR!S]

i was thinking like... the 93-96? body style... ... so im looking at like 11 g's or so?

i wouldnt put aside any less than $8k. it all depends on what motor you want as well. k24 has more torque, but the k20a/k20a2 has better higher rpm power.

my friend is selling his k20a2 from his car for $2800, comes with tranny too.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1923693

[CHAOS]

trq is where its at lol... im not ready to do this yet... im just looking into things for a dd in a couple months

[CHR!S]

trq is where its at lol... im not ready to do this yet... im just looking into things for a dd in a couple months

a k20'd hatch would be a fun daily. Dr. Charles (employee at Skunk2) has a k24 powered civic wagon, thing is crazy. ill see if i can find a pic

[CHR!S]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/sportcarmotion/IMG_0028-1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/sportcarmotion/IMG_0027-1.jpg

[CHAOS]

that car isnt my style lol

[CHAOS]

oh and im probably one of the only people who doesnt want a lowered car haha

[Danronian]

Here's a guy I just bought my hatch from that has a low mile and complete k20 swap for sale for $1500 obo.

http://www.hondamarketplace.com/zerothread?id=1947028

[CHAOS]

cool but im not looking to swap anything right now lol

[TROLL]

jon it sounds like you're confusing 'daily driver' and 'second project'

rule #1: do not have more than one project at a time

rule #2: do not mod your daily driver

rule #3: send troll $50 via check or money order

[CHR!S]

that car isnt my style lol

i love it, ive always wanted an ef wagon 4wd for a daily. take it offroading and **** :)

oh and im probably one of the only people who doesnt want a lowered car haha

thats good then, you wont have to worry about hitting your oilpan

[Edgemaster]

i only knew 1 person who modded an old waggon, but that one is much nicer and faster too, K20 would be a nice swaqp for a 92-95 hatch, but i've always been a fan of the classic b series swap, definately lower budget depending on what motor you get, and plenty of parts out there to build the heck out of it

[CHAOS]

jon it sounds like you're confusing 'daily driver' and 'second project'

rule #1: do not have more than one project at a time

rule #2: do not mod your daily driver

rule #3: send troll $50 via check or money order

i dont think a swap is all that bad as long as i dont do too much else... we shall see in the long run tho. and you are not getting my money unless you give me something.

[CHR!S]

jon it sounds like you're confusing 'daily driver' and 'second project'

rule #1: do not have more than one project at a time

rule #2: do not mod your daily driver

rule #3: send CHR!S $50 via check or money order

fixed those rules for you TROLL :)

[dubjinc]

The Jdm k20 can be tuned to an easy 280 hp, combined with the six speed tranny it rips through gears in milliseconds. Theres a black dx with the swap in Richboro. He's a friend of mine. The car is more like a go cart, very loud and EVERYTHING rattles and shakes inside and out definetly not the conservative swap, but one of the most exhilarating.

[CHAOS]

haha i daily drive 300/345 ... im ok with that.

[highmilehatch]

haha i daily drive 300/345 ... im ok with that.


Of course you are. That much power in an 05 STI is a bit different than a tin can 10 year old Honda with stiffer than stock mounts. Daily driving something like that would get a bit old after a while.

[CHAOS]

true.

[sisforsurfing]

If you want to swap a Honda for a DD why not go with a b-series? The only problem I can see is mileage, but they're way cheaper. I can't imagine you getting too nuts with power on a daily driver, and b-series' can make good power anyway.

Plus, if I had a k-series-powered EG hatch I wouldn't know whether I'd keep the Subaru or Honda as my daily driver, haha

[CHAOS]

haha i just want something relatively quick that gets great milage.. cause im only getting 20 mpg average in the sti

[dubjinc]

thats what i just bought b18, i get 30mpg, driving swiftly.

[Vypurr]

I don't see why you don't just get a stock civic or accord for a DD? You won't want to be driving a modded civic every day. And if you do the mods necessary to make it as quick as your STi then it won't be very comfortable for a daily commute!

I say you just buy something cheap that gets good mileage and leave the quickness for the STi!

[CHR!S]

The Jdm k20 can be tuned to an easy 280 hp, combined with the six speed tranny it rips through gears in milliseconds. Theres a black dx with the swap in Richboro. He's a friend of mine. The car is more like a go cart, very loud and EVERYTHING rattles and shakes inside and out definetly not the conservative swap, but one of the most exhilarating.

the highest ive seen a stock k20a motor tuned to was 255whp on Church automotive's dyno, only mods being intake, hytech header, and a 3" exhaust. are you talking about kevin's black coupe? his swap is using the older ekk1 mounts, which put the axles at a steep angle which causes binding. also he isnt running power steering, im not sure if they looped his power steering lines or if they added a vent so it wont lock-up on him.

in the end: having a k-powered civic for a daily driver isnt the smartest thing, if you need the power get a civic si :-p

[dubjinc]

you cant fit power steering in such a drastic swap, my b18 doesnt have ps either its no biggie. yeah kev's k20a2 was like 250 stock i dont remember but its fast and semi annoying, i wouldnt want it as a dd. but its nasty

[CHR!S]

you cant fit power steering in such a drastic swap, my b18 doesnt have ps either its no biggie. yeah kev's k20a2 was like 250 stock i dont remember but its fast and semi annoying, i wouldnt want it as a dd. but its nasty

you can fit power steering with a k20 swap, a friend of mine just finished his swap and we got the power steering to work. he is also running the hasport ekk2 mounts, which makes you run the eg/dc subframe and steering rack. no k20 is 250whp stock, the k20a is 220Hp&158Trq to the crank, unless you were saying that his motor is mildly built and/or is tuned to the max the motor can handle

[dubjinc]

i believe he has the jdm k20a i guess its 220 stock but he said he was pushing 280 its worked, but im not sure to what extent, he has def had his share of problems however, everytime i talk to him something doesnt work or is all screwy.

[CHR!S]

i believe he has the jdm k20a i guess its 220 stock but he said he was pushing 280 its worked, but im not sure to what extent, he has def had his share of problems however, everytime i talk to him something doesnt work or is all screwy.

who did his swap?

[dubjinc]

The tuning shop in the ivyland industrial park off of maybe jacksonville rd.

[CHR!S]

The tuning shop in the ivyland industrial park off of maybe jacksonville rd.

impo?

[dubjinc]

if thats the shop in the industrial park yeah.

[CHR!S]

if thats the shop in the industrial park yeah.

there are a couple shops in the industrial park, but theyre one that does work like that for the most part

[jdm free]

ive been told that k-series motors are easy to get power out of with basic mods by a quite a few ppl

[CHR!S]

ive been told that k-series motors are easy to get power out of with basic mods by a quite a few ppl

very true. an intake, race header or shorty header w/ test pipe, 2.5-3" exhaust, and kpro can put you up to 200whp +/-. add some 05-06 rsx-s cams and an rbc manifold (06+ civic si) and you can get 220whp (amf racing has that setup). some more agressive cams (ips k2's, skunk2 2's, buddy club, r-crew, etc) and you can get 250+. my friend just dynoed his motor and it put out 310whp 215wtq (bored k24 block, k20 head, etc etc)

[ozthunder]

Jon, my man...I don't ever want to see complaints about 20 mpg...capiche? That's like eden for some of us..lol

BTW, just sink that money into the STi. It'd be off the ****ing hook!

If you complain about gas again, i'll send you my friends Metro. For free. You have to push start it though..silly Geo.

[Renegade_]

If you complain about gas again, i'll send you my friends Metro. For free. You have to push start it though..silly Geo.
No ****? haha I'll take it :mrgreen:

[highmilehatch]

my friend just dynoed his motor and it put out 310whp 215wtq (bored k24 block, k20 head, etc etc)


Damn. That is impressive. Must be a blast to drive. What can it rev to?

[jdm free]

The tuning shop in the ivyland industrial park off of maybe jacksonville rd.

jsc speed?

[highmilehatch]

jsc speed?

No. They are probably referring to IMPO. We will actually be moving shop into that same industrial park come June.

[CHR!S]

Damn. That is impressive. Must be a blast to drive. What can it rev to?

i took a ride in it and its quick as hell, the torque is unbelieveable compared to any other honda ive been in. its built to be able to handle 9000 rpms (compared to about 10,500 on a 1.8L honda motor due to the stroke of the motor). the dry-sump kit really helps out so you can hold a high rpms for a while without feeling any fatigue.

street solutions :thumbup:

[ketchup!]

impo?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

impo lol

[ketchup!]

No. They are probably referring to IMPO. We will actually be moving shop into that same industrial park come June.

yay, sweet

[JSeoul]

Well if your serious into doing this down the line. You wight want to pick up the May 2007 issue of DSport magazine. You will want to look into B-Series Transmission with the H-Engine. Supposedly this is the new big scene that people are getting into doing instead of a K-swap. Magazine calls it a K-Killer. Just FYI. Also a bonus is doing the B/H swap, it will be a lot cheaper.

[CHR!S]

Well if your serious into doing this down the line. You wight want to pick up the May 2007 issue of DSport magazine. You will want to look into B-Series Transmission with the H-Engine. Supposedly this is the new big scene that people are getting into doing instead of a K-swap. Magazine calls it a K-Killer. Just FYI. Also a bonus is doing the B/H swap, it will be a lot cheaper.

the h-b swaps have been done for well over 4 years, i know a couple people who have them. fully built vs fully built, the K will win since you can get more power out of them in the end. its not that cheap though, the H2B conversion plate for the tranny costs between $600-$1300 :eek:

[CleanNeon98]

Here's a guy I just bought my hatch from that has a low mile and complete k20 swap for sale for $1500 obo.

http://www.hondamarketplace.com/zerothread?id=1947028

damn i wish i had 1500 thats DIRT cheap for a complete k20
CHAOS. just to give you an idea of retail price, here is the truehonda.com kit

http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=showproducts&id=81

[JSeoul]

the h-b swaps have been done for well over 4 years, i know a couple people who have them. fully built vs fully built, the K will win since you can get more power out of them in the end. its not that cheap though, the H2B conversion plate for the tranny costs between $600-$1300 :eek:

I was just stating that this is an alternate route than getting a K-series, Thats all. I'm just saying, $3000.00 for H2B swap compared to average $7000.00 K-Series swap. No one please debate prices of swaps. These were given from street prices you could do them for according to DSport magazine. Thanks.

[grimm]

wait getting a honda w/ a swap for a DD? Why invest soo much into a car that is a teft magnet? if you want a DD honda, just boost a d series. and be happy. total investment, like $5k

[ketchup!]

wait getting a honda w/ a swap for a DD? Why invest soo much into a car that is a teft magnet? if you want a DD honda, just boost a d series. and be happy. total investment, like $5k

agreed

[highmilehatch]

the h-b swaps have been done for well over 4 years, i know a couple people who have them. fully built vs fully built, the K will win since you can get more power out of them in the end. its not that cheap though, the H2B conversion plate for the tranny costs between $600-$1300 :eek:

Not to mention having to run a custom hood just to clear the H motor. Not too practical. Although, some might look at it as an opportunity to use a different hood. :mrgreen:

[CHR!S]

damn i wish i had 1500 thats DIRT cheap for a complete k20


that motor is the k20a3, out of the base model rsx and the ep3 si. biggest waste motor ever.

I was just stating that this is an alternate route than getting a K-series, Thats all. I'm just saying, $3000.00 for H2B swap compared to average $7000.00 K-Series swap. No one please debate prices of swaps. These were given from street prices you could do them for according to DSport magazine. Thanks.


no i understand what your saying, but i was just stating that in the end...
fully built vs. fully built, the K20 is better.

[grimm]

that motor is the k20a3, out of the base model rsx and the ep3 si. biggest waste motor ever.

i'd say the b16 is more of a pansy wanna be engine. not saying the k20a3 isn't far behind. but the b16 is weak sauce?

[CHR!S]

i'd say the b16 is more of a pansy wanna be engine. not saying the k20a3 isn't far behind. but the b16 is weak sauce?

the b16 has a better power/displacement ratio (100/L) than the k20a3 (80/L), revs higher, has actual VTEC and not i-VTEC-E
my old si with me and a passenger with intake/header/exhaust took an ep3 with the same mods with one person in the car from 40-120 by about 5-6? car lengths.

id take the b16 over the k20a3 anyday :)

[HatchSurfer3]

Yea I agree with what everyone else has been saying pretty much. The K swap wouldnt be the best for a DD. I would go with a boosted D-serious, or possibly some other b-serious. A Boosted LS still wouldn't run you too much.

I kind of agree the b16 is a little overrated. I mean i dont have much room to talk considering im still rocking the z6, but there would be some better swap/boost options for the money IMO.

[CHR!S]

I kind of agree the b16 is a little overrated. I mean i dont have much room to talk considering im still rocking the z6, but there would be some better swap/boost options for the money IMO.

i didnt say that it wasnt overrated, i definately wouldnt get a b16 swap, but my si came with it. id take a b16 swap over the k20a3 though... anyday

[ketchup!]

the b16 has a better power/displacement ratio (100/L) than the k20a3 (80/L), revs higher, has actual VTEC and not i-VTEC-E
my old si with me and a passenger with intake/header/exhaust took an ep3 with the same mods with one person in the car from 40-120 by about 5-6? car lengths.

id take the b16 over the k20a3 anyday :)

the b16 motor is overrated

b18 pwns it

[CHR!S]

the b16 motor is overrated

b18 pwns it

we werent talking about the b18's though :roll: