Dodge Demon, Yes please

[Dave]

2600 lbs, 170 hp and you KNOW an SRT-4 version wouldnt be very far behind. might even pack a few more than the caliber srt's 300 ponies. dodge! build it!

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/03/dodge_demon_live_20.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/03/dodge_demon_live_13.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/03/dodge_demon_live_35.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/03/dodge_demon_live_25.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/03/dodge_demon_live_27.jpg







http://www.autoblog.com/2007/02/12/dodge-demon-concept-will-debut-in-geneva/

[Twin_Cam]

Ooooh, that's interesting.

The back end is a cross between a Gallardo (big panel between brake lights) and an Aston Martin DB9 (the lights themselves). I like it.

[Kerplunk105]

ooo I like it!

[dickerdieter]

ooooo very nice!
im not really feelin the rims tho, but other than that

[RayArroyo]

build it now!!!!!!

[XxaltezzaxX]

That is very nice, **** I'd buy one.

[CWBETB]

To little to late, they should have released this before the GM roadster.

Im not really feeling it, reminds me of a Ram up front

Call me a Honda fan boy but I still prefer a S2k

[TalonTsi97]

I plan on getting a SRT version of this. Im not a fan of convertables at all but something about this car got to me, and plus you know once the do an srt version its going to look meaner and have motor to back it up

[grimm]

it's cool i like the design around the wheel wells...

[tjf]

if they SRT-it its my next car

[240sxDann]

its a far cry from the original demon, but none the less still hot!!

[TTsupra911]

gimmie a sec, I'm going to fins a photoshop of one in black... the thing looks sick!!!

[Dave]

gimmie a sec, I'm going to fins a photoshop of one in black... the thing looks sick!!!

hell yes, thats the color i'd be looking for

[TTsupra911]

also this is a photo shop of what some SRT owners would like to see....

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33241&stc=1&d=1171481211

[Intercooled T]

wow thats hot....bet it hauls ass too!

[240sxDann]

uhm, can't view it cuz I'm not a member?

[S.Milone]

Car looks pretty good. Hope it doesn't have gay electronic steering or anything.

[TalonTsi97]

Damn, im loving the black one. Looks like a mini viper, i cant wait for it to come out. It should be rated from factory 300hp, so im expecting at least 250whp stock. Then comes all the easy turbo mods haha. Should be a fun little car looking forward to how things progress with it
Click to make bigger: http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6937/demonsrtchopyn2.th.png (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=demonsrtchopyn2.png)

[240sxDann]

for those who arn't classic mopar muscle fans, a comparison.

[hystericfox]

I'd like a red one.

[Crzyguy972]

yeah i like it too

[james_ls]

Reminds me of a mix of either a Viper and a SRT-4 OR a SRT-4 and a S2000.

[sisforsurfing]

It's a lot like their old Razor concept, which was my favorite car at the 2003 or whatever auto show that was. I drooled over that car... and actually think it might be cooler than this thing, if a little quirkier. The Demon looks like a mini-Viper kinda.

http://www.diseno-art.com/images/dodge_razor.jpg
^old Razor concept.

[Vypurr]

Its amazing how the Copperhead Concept has evolved! I like the newest (demon) the best so far!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/DodgeCopperhead.jpg

[sisforsurfing]

^beat me! haha I totally forgot about the Copperhead, that's way old. That thing is ugly though, I like the Demon way more.

What are the odds on production for the Demon? If it makes it, it'll be interesting to see how much they tone it down.


But I'm still upset they didn't produce the Razor.

[Vypurr]

Well lets think here...They showed the Copperhead, but never made it. They showed the Razor, but never made it. The showed the slingshot, but never made it. I am not gonna put money on this hitting the streets...Ever.

[Dave]

well, all those old concepts were under and heavily pushed by bob lutz. actually the solstice pretty much came out of the copperhead since the light rwd roadster was one of his conditions when he hopped ship. so now with solstice and sky out, the drifting craze, and the rebirth of american rwd. I'd say theres a pretty damn good chance of this happening. oh you guys forgot the proto spyder and the venom too ;)

[dancemf666]

Dodge's answer to the pontiac solstice

[Gorilla Unit 33]

them wheels are ewwwwwww!

[Buster]

well, all those old concepts were under and heavily pushed by bob lutz. actually the solstice pretty much came out of the copperhead since the light rwd roadster was one of his conditions when he hopped ship. so now with solstice and sky out, the drifting craze, and the rebirth of american rwd. I'd say theres a pretty damn good chance of this happening. oh you guys forgot the proto spyder and the venom too ;)


when exactly was this? I remember seeing the solstice around the time of the 5th gen fbodies at the philly carshow. easily 10 years ago. and its really an opel speedster (saturn did a great job hiding it) Just curious to how long these things have been trying to be birthed.

[ScubaSteve]

I'm not a fan at all. Looks like the bastard child of a miata and a viper.

[Vypurr]

them wheels are ewwwwwww!

I don't really mind them! Its obvious that they are SRTs kinda square!

[Dave]

when exactly was this? I remember seeing the solstice around the time of the 5th gen fbodies at the philly carshow. easily 10 years ago. and its really an opel speedster (saturn did a great job hiding it) Just curious to how long these things have been trying to be birthed.

5th gen f-bodies only showed up in the last year or so ;) if you meant the concepts for the fourth generation that was like 1989. copperhead was 97 pronto spyder was 98 (im not including prowler because i dont know for sure if lutz was involved but i wouldnt be surprised) lutz left chrysler in 98 and joined Gm in 02 and the solstice concept also showed in 02

heres the pronto for those who havent seen it
http://www.seriouswheels.com/images/a_Plymouth_Pronto_Spyder_2.jpg

[OptiCon]

Looks like the bastard child of a miata and a viper.

Lets just hope it MOVES like the bastard child of a miata and a viper. :mrgreen:

[99SL2_Modder]

Dodge's answer to the pontiac solstice

I think more of the Sky. Since the Soltice looks like someone just shaped a piece of **** into a car, whereas the Sky actually has decent lines.

And honestly, I'm not seein it either. It's coming factory the same as the Sky/Soltice HP and same with the turbo versions. Wow, lets copy platforms more, please.

And WHY does MOPAR keep killing old names? It's like they love kicking dirt at the old car fans.

[Dave]

how is this killing an old name? the old demons were nothing more than tarted up fastback darts. and in the 60s the dart came as a small convertable. seems very reasonable to me that the name jump to a 2 seat roadster

[Charged SVTF]

I think my brother is going to have a heart attack when he hears about this. Here is his '71 440 Demon.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/audiostank/Demon%20SVT/DemonSVT019.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/audiostank/Demon%20SVT/DemonSVT027.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/audiostank/Demon%20SVT/DemonSVT001.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/audiostank/Demon%20SVT/DemonSVT023.jpg

But I do have to admit....I like the Convertible Idea, but I kinda hate how the old Mopar names get stuck with a 4 banger. Drop a Hemi in that lol!

[Ryza24]

i like the car.. but for a DEMON.. come on.. it looks like an Solstice.. i like the Challenger Concept for that car.. and i plan on buyin that...

http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/1/CN006_002DG.jpg

[TTFairladyZ]

not bad

[2drStunner]

id so buy that!

[92dxman]

Make a coupe version with an limited slip and price it somewhere around $20k and I bet this thing would sell like hotcakes since no companies out there make an affordable rwd coupe that doesn't cost $30k..

[foss]

front end=s2k
not feeling the backend

[99SL2_Modder]

Make a coupe version with an limited slip and price it somewhere around $20k and I bet this thing would sell like hotcakes since no companies out there make an affordable rwd coupe that doesn't cost $30k..

Pontiac/Saturn have teh LSD option on theis for another 195 bucks, and still don't hit 30g's

[GottalovetheWagon]

i like it its pretty hot

[Dave]

Pontiac/Saturn have teh LSD option on theis for another 195 bucks, and still don't hit 30g's

he said hardtop coupe

[Metalhedd]

it's beautiful!

[Chris(NJ)]

looks a little 350z-esque to me

[smoger]

wow, if i knew you guys didnt see this i would have posted it a month ago when i it was news :lol:

i cant decide if i'd lean towards this or a challenger down the road. chances are, .. one of them will be the car to replace the srt-4.

[300zTT]

i work for chrysler auto group and most likely they wont end up makin it and fi they do it wont look like that.. the only car they are def makin is the dodge challenger and that will look like the exact concept. and only have one one motor option the 6.1 hemi.. my boss already has the 1st one that comes to our show room on order for him self... if news changes about the demon i'll let u know


here is the challenger BTW.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/dodge.challenger.concept/challenger.f34ext.2.500.jpg

[smoger]

i work for chrysler auto group and most likely they wont end up makin it and fi they do it wont look like that.. the only car they are def makin is the dodge challenger and that will look like the exact concept. and only have one one motor option the 6.1 hemi.. my boss already has the 1st one that comes to our show room on order for him self... if news changes about the demon i'll let u know


here is the challenger BTW.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/dodge.challenger.concept/challenger.f34ext.2.500.jpg

..and that 6.1 version will be badged R/T, correct? leaving room for the rumored 6.4L in an SRT model down the line. :mrgreen:

[300zTT]

..and that 6.1 version will be badged R/T, correct? leaving room for the rumored 6.4L in an SRT model down the line. :mrgreen:


thats right my friend lol

[Vypurr]

I have a feeling that they will go crazy with the SRT Challenger..It wouldn't suprise me to see a Supercharged 6.1 or Supercharged 6.4...Or even an SRT-10.

[Dave]

challenger is gorgeous but its too heavy for my tastes. she needs to loose about 900 lbs

[turbo4g63]

cough...copy s2k...cough

[Vypurr]

Cough...*they copied the miata*...cough

[smoger]

challenger is gorgeous but its too heavy for my tastes. she needs to loose about 900 lbs

how heavy is it? i wasnt aware that they announced that

[Dave]

2600 lbs

[smoger]

2600 lbs

if the Challenger weighs 2600 lbs and has a 6.1L hemi, it's gonna be a supercar.. :lol:

i wouldnt count on it.

[denmah]

that with an SRT motor and a cheap pricetag would be AWESOME

you could just AEM and GT35R it and go nuts!

be like a litte supra easier to mount the turbo and whatnot with the motor mounted the right way haha

[Dave]

if the Challenger weighs 2600 lbs and has a 6.1L hemi, it's gonna be a supercar.. :lol:

i wouldnt count on it.

bahahaha whups the demon is 2600 the challenger is 4000 something

[95legenddriver]

not bad for a mini viper

[JSeoul]

bahahaha whups the demon is 2600 the challenger is 4000 something

hahaha. i was gonna look up the challenger. Did someone really complain about 2600 pounds being to much weight? hhahaha. Challenger looks sweet but I am more interested to see the new Camaro.

[ozthunder]

lol, I wonder when DC will finally start doing something original. I mean, copying the viper into everything or making the same goddamned car 3 times over gets a bit old, no?

It's not bad, but the Solstice looks better. Performance..we'll see. Everyone says this and that about how expensive it will be..but until I see it, I won't hear it for a second.

[Dave]

hahaha. i was gonna look up the challenger. Did someone really complain about 2600 pounds being to much weight? hhahaha. Challenger looks sweet but I am more interested to see the new Camaro.

no i was grousing that the challenger was too fat and then i misinterpreted somebodys question about how heavy it was to be about the demon

[smoger]

bahahaha whups the demon is 2600 the challenger is 4000 something

which leads full circle to the original question.. where did you find undetermined specs for the challenger?

[ozthunder]

If you think it'll be less than 3400 than thats just poor eyesight. I think around there is reasonable..but prolly 3500.

They are trying to keep the weight down, but we'll see..

[smoger]

lol, I wonder when DC will finally start doing something original. I mean, copying the viper into everything

what do you mean? the fact that 2 vehicles out of about 20 they sell have the viper engine? or the fact that the cars have the crosshair grilles? i'm not really seeing what you mean by "copying the viper". i mean,.. i can think of ONE car on the market blatantly copying the Viper(and always playing catch-up), but I won't mention which one :lol: (hint: it's not a DCX product)

or making the same goddamned car 3 times over gets a bit old, no?

..lol.. coming from someone who drives a GM model. at least chrysler actually makes cars with different purposes, as opposed to flat badge engineering. i see the 300 and Charger *kinda* overlapping, but the Challenger and Magnum are radically different, even if they are on the same platform.

It's not bad, but the Solstice looks better. Performance..we'll see. Everyone says this and that about how expensive it will be..but until I see it, I won't hear it for a second.

if they make it, they should beat Solstice pricing easily. But they probably won't make it.

and looks are subjective.. i happen to think the solstice looks terrible. just slightly better than every other Pontiac on the market.

[TTsupra911]

It's not bad, but the Solstice looks better. Performance..we'll see. Everyone says this and that about how expensive it will be..but until I see it, I won't hear it for a second.

Soltice looks like ****, they Sky looks 10x better.

[smoger]

If you think it'll be less than 3400 than thats just poor eyesight. I think around there is reasonable..but prolly 3500.

They are trying to keep the weight down, but we'll see..

i realize it's gonna be up there. my point was that Dave said the Challenger was too heavy for him, but he doesn't know how heavy it is, because nobody does.. or at least no one in the public.

therefore saying it's too heavy is a fairly ridiculous statement.

[Dave]

which leads full circle to the original question.. where did you find undetermined specs for the challenger?

**** man, it was in a magazine i know that much. not motor trend cause i found that one. im thinking automobile maybe? also i believe the weight was for the concept car/ dev mule hopefully the production model will be lighter. all i know is that was one of the things that stopped me saving for it and sent me in an MR direction

[dt98gsr]

I saw this a while back, pretty cool looking car. Now I just wanna see one in person.

[ozthunder]

what do you mean? the fact that 2 vehicles out of about 20 they sell have the viper engine? or the fact that the cars have the crosshair grilles? i'm not really seeing what you mean by "copying the viper". i mean,.. i can think of ONE car on the market blatantly copying the Viper(and always playing catch-up), but I won't mention which one :lol: (hint: it's not a DCX product)



..lol.. coming from someone who drives a GM model. at least chrysler actually makes cars with different purposes, as opposed to flat badge engineering. i see the 300 and Charger *kinda* overlapping, but the Challenger and Magnum are radically different, even if they are on the same platform.



if they make it, they should beat Solstice pricing easily. But they probably won't make it.

and looks are subjective.. i happen to think the solstice looks terrible. just slightly better than every other Pontiac on the market.


lol, badge engineering? The 300C, Charger, Magnum, and now the Challenger are all generally the same bloody vehicle. Different purposes? So giving it a hatch makes it different? it's the same thing! Kinda overlapping...not even close. IS overlapping. And now the 300 is outdated.

lol, me owning a GM model influences me, but opinions opinion. I don't see DC doing anything right.

And the Viper influence..well, the general "grill", the SRT idea..the bloody SRT10 Ram. I dunno..it seems like they are milking it. You don't see the Vette prominently through Chevy's lineup, and you don't see the Mustang for Ford. It seems..weird, I guess.

[Vypurr]

Nope....No copying goin on at all....

http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/Automotive/blog/z061.jpghttp://awesomecarauctions.com/uploaded_images/2005viper-776466.jpg

[99SL2_Modder]

he said hardtop coupe

No he didn't.


Oh, and can anyone place this car?

Again, why did they axe this body, and then bring it out years later as a challenger?

http://www.acarshow.com/ychcptgd.jpg

http://www.acarshow.com/ychcptfr.jpg

http://www.acarshow.com/ychcptrf.jpg

http://www.acarshow.com/ychcptll.jpg

http://www.acarshow.com/ychcptdr.jpg

http://www.acarshow.com/ychcptrr.jpg

Same platform. Hell, even the wheels are almost the same. Why did they come out with that uglyass "300C with a new front clip" version? This one was still 4 doors! And THIS one was totally paying respect to the old car. Look at the styling! God it was beautiful!

The challenger is still sexy though,

[Vypurr]

That's just to radical for most of the American public. They want to make money more than they wanna please us!

[99SL2_Modder]

lol, badge engineering? The 300C, Charger, Magnum, and now the Challenger are all generally the same bloody vehicle. Different purposes? So giving it a hatch makes it different? it's the same thing! Kinda overlapping...not even close. IS overlapping. And now the 300 is outdated.

lol, me owning a GM model influences me, but opinions opinion. I don't see DC doing anything right.

And the Viper influence..well, the general "grill", the SRT idea..the bloody SRT10 Ram. I dunno..it seems like they are milking it. You don't see the Vette prominently through Chevy's lineup, and you don't see the Mustang for Ford. It seems..weird, I guess.

The challenger rocks a different platform, so the wheelbase and all characteristics are not going to be the same...unless they **** it up again like last time.

[ozthunder]

Yea, but isn't it based off of the 300C's platform?

[Dave]

Make a coupe version with an limited slip and price it somewhere around $20k and I bet this thing would sell like hotcakes since no companies out there make an affordable rwd coupe that doesn't cost $30k..

the hell he didn't mean hardtop

[99SL2_Modder]

Yea, but isn't it based off of the 300C's platform?

No, it's completely new. Actually, wait, how long was the 300C out?

Cause if I remember correctly, that concept charger was out in 97, and the Challenger shares that platform. It was just never made into production because detroit sucks.

The platform that the Concept Charger (aka: Sex1) and the Challenger (aka: Sex2) share is more oriented towards a car that's sporty, rather than a luxury family sedan with power. So the whole setup is just panned out that way.

Sex1 got murdered. They brought that out, then gave no updates and came out with the new front clip on the 300C and threw it at the crowd. Sex2 hopefully won't get the same treatment.

All the option packages are the same as well...

[ozthunder]

You mean like a V6 Mustang..base Z..they don't count?

lol, my car was like...18K. 350hp, 4 seats, 2 doors (coupe). Affordable, no?

[99SL2_Modder]

the hell he didn't mean hardtop

Since he didn't say it, I'm not making assumptions. Which is what you're doing.

Oh, and didn't you hear about the hard top for the soltice and sky? They make them.

[ozthunder]

No, it's completely new. Actually, wait, how long was the 300C out?

Cause if I remember correctly, that concept charger was out in 97, and the Challenger shares that platform. It was just never made into production because detroit sucks.

The platform that the Concept Charger (aka: Sex1) and the Challenger (aka: Sex2) share is more oriented towards a car that's sporty, rather than a luxury family sedan with power. So the whole setup is just panned out that way.

Sex1 got murdered. They brought that out, then gave no updates and came out with the new front clip on the 300C and threw it at the crowd. Sex2 hopefully won't get the same treatment.

All the option packages are the same as well...

I fail to believe that a platform made in 97 is going to be used 10 years later as the Challengers platform..Maybe heavily revised, but the same? DC's not that stupid.

But then again..before the 300C, all they had were decent looking cars with archaic performance and somewhat decent build quality. (let's not get into this domestic v domestic battle. gm sucks. my car's made in australia. build quality= much better. end of devate). And then they release the 300C, ride the wave, release everything with a Hemi, and boom. Now what? Stagnate IMHO. So we'll see.

I do love the Challenger concept, but im not the biggest fan of straight up retro. I like retro with class, and that teeters on it.

[99SL2_Modder]

I fail to believe that a platform made in 97 is going to be used 10 years later as the Challengers platform..Maybe heavily revised, but the same? DC's not that stupid.

But then again..before the 300C, all they had were decent looking cars with archaic performance and somewhat decent build quality. (let's not get into this domestic v domestic battle. gm sucks. my car's made in australia. build quality= much better. end of devate). And then they release the 300C, ride the wave, release everything with a Hemi, and boom. Now what? Stagnate IMHO. So we'll see.

I do love the Challenger concept, but im not the biggest fan of straight up retro. I like retro with class, and that teeters on it.

Revised, but still titled as the same.

But I agree with you. Everything nowadays, imho, isn't what it used to be. And I agree with the retro with class, but honestly, the new mustang doesn't do it for me, and really, the new camaro doesn't either. It looks like a butchered caddy. I'm not a big fan of the sharp edges on the caddy's anymore either. Meh, to each their own.

[Dave]

No, it's completely new. Actually, wait, how long was the 300C out?

Cause if I remember correctly, that concept charger was out in 97, and the Challenger shares that platform. It was just never made into production because detroit sucks.

The platform that the Concept Charger (aka: Sex1) and the Challenger (aka: Sex2) share is more oriented towards a car that's sporty, rather than a luxury family sedan with power. So the whole setup is just panned out that way.

Sex1 got murdered. They brought that out, then gave no updates and came out with the new front clip on the 300C and threw it at the crowd. Sex2 hopefully won't get the same treatment.

All the option packages are the same as well...

the challenger is on a shortened version of the MB frame that charger/300/and magnum come on. i'll let the other argument slide for the moment

[ozthunder]

Yea, neither the Mustang nor the Camaro really do it for me. The Camaro looks nice in person..but its HUGE.

[OptiCon]

But then again..before the 300C, all they had were decent looking cars with archaic performance and somewhat decent build quality.

You can thank "Fredrick Gastang" (or however you spell that frog's name) for axing the turbo cars when the Neon and Stratus came into production. If that dickless frenchmen had stayed at Citroen, Chrysler would have been boosting all over the competition throughout the 90's. Unfortunately, because of him, there was a big performance gap from 94 to the millenium.

The LX cars are the perfect example of how to make multiple cars on the same platform and not overlap any of your demographics.

300 = Luxury (optional performance)
Charger = Cheap Family Sedan (optional performance)
Magnum = Utilitarian (optional performance)
Challenger = Sporty retro pony car (optional performance)

And all of the cars have there own styling. Nothing but the wheelbase and engine choices overlap (and that's not even universal).

Great platform.