Piro
03-26-2007, 11:45 PM
This was taken out of the original thread by the all migthy Troll.
cost me a point too.:eek:
in responce to the gentelman who is passionate about Chryslers
Well I think I hit some sort of cord here!!!
BTW I'm not a big fan of Mitsubishi, the only car that I would buy is the evo, oh I did!! My true love are Porches, specialy the 911's
But I love a good argument!!!!
Sorry Troll
Think!!people!!think!!
If This Company is soooooo great. why it has been in bankruptcy more than once!!!
Why they have NEVER done an engine capable of being at the level of the F1's. (Is NOW that after getting Daimler-Benz, that they are getting their dirty hands on the technology to do it!!)
BTW, and you can check this. In the History of Turbocharged engines, Chrysler is not mentioned until 1984!!! Why? turbos were made cheaper, thanks to companies like Garrett, until the 80's. Not to mention that people was sore from the 73' gas crisis.
Porche and BMW were winning races with turbo engines long before!!
Another note: Chrysler is and has been, at periods, with mitsubishi and Hyunday developing technologies and engines for them. Hey they even have a plant in germany that they built together!!
AND if you LOOK very carefuly, many of the engines that the Chrysler uses are made by.......MITSUBISHI!! more now than ever!!
Actualy if you look at the history of this two companies they have been together for a long time!!!
The G63b turbo intercooler engine was developed in 1983 by MITSUBISHI. OOOhhh what a coincidence that Chrysler started in a year later!!! Is like someone walked by the Mitsu plant and said,"I wander if we could do that too?"
Go back to that page that you illustriously and magnanimously, posted an read carefuly. The company that Chrysler took for resourses and technologies was, among others, MITSUBISHI!! Why hiring a bunch of engeneers to develop an engine if you could buy it cheaper all ready made! dont have to build it just have our specs sent in and bualla new motor!! put our sticker on it, is important!! need to keep the illusion that we did it!!!
Chrysler took from 1977 to 1983 to develop the fuel injection system for an engine!,(174hps, honda did the same Hps w/o a turbo!) It was easer to get the f***ing thing made. (Is to hard to THINK CREATIVELY!)
The Turbos were by Garrett
Many of the disigns done on the "Shelugly" was done by LOTUS! and they were unreliable. they admited that!!! the car needed more headgaskets than tires!!! their explication was that the car was done using an egined NOT designed for a turbo aplication. Well, what kind of egineer will do something like that! copied directly from Chrysler page: "the official GLHS numbers went like this: quarter-mile in 14.7 seconds, 0-60 in 6.5 sec, and .88g on the skidpad" WOW, I don't know, is that fast?... only produced 7,700!!
Yes, the domestics have made great cars, but many others companies have done the same!! Look at Porche's history, success after success! BMW, WOW, have you seen their new M3 line! not to mention the M5 and M6
or Nissan their cars are very nice and they are making the GT-R(skyline) for the US. Audi has great cars. (the R8 is a kick in the A**) Lotus have the exige s, that is a fun car
I dont have to say anything about Ferrari, Lambo, alfas, , Pagani, Bugatti, Aston Martin, Bentley, Ducengberg and many more. they are
to rich for my blood.
AND yas there are other Domestic cars that are GREAT, but the fact is that they are losing ground fast. Their reputation is tainted by poor reliability and quality. Like I always said; what is the use of having that many horses if you can't put them to the ground or it brakes down!!!
If the Big Three han't lobbied for law that imposed regulations to the foreing cars they would have been out of bussiness long time ago, they imposed this regulations to save their behinds because they knew the imports were doing better, more reliable and cost effective cars that them!
My point is that; if they are that great why they are so bad!
Oh, here are some FACTS!:
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/22t.html Loved what the engeneers said about the heads!
http://www.allpar.com/history/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Corporation
http://www.turbodriven.com/en/turbofacts/index.asp
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/History.htm
http://freespace.virgin.net/c.coleman/turbhist.htm
http://www.imps4ever.info/marques/chrysler.html
http://www.histomobile.com/histomob/...35/histo02.htm
http://www.inu.net/davidstua/chrysler_case_part1.htm
and if you don't want web pages, then read:
Riding the Roller Coaster: A History of the Chrysler Corporation. By Charles K. Hyde. Detroit
EYE OPENER
cost me a point too.:eek:
in responce to the gentelman who is passionate about Chryslers
Well I think I hit some sort of cord here!!!
BTW I'm not a big fan of Mitsubishi, the only car that I would buy is the evo, oh I did!! My true love are Porches, specialy the 911's
But I love a good argument!!!!
Sorry Troll
Think!!people!!think!!
If This Company is soooooo great. why it has been in bankruptcy more than once!!!
Why they have NEVER done an engine capable of being at the level of the F1's. (Is NOW that after getting Daimler-Benz, that they are getting their dirty hands on the technology to do it!!)
BTW, and you can check this. In the History of Turbocharged engines, Chrysler is not mentioned until 1984!!! Why? turbos were made cheaper, thanks to companies like Garrett, until the 80's. Not to mention that people was sore from the 73' gas crisis.
Porche and BMW were winning races with turbo engines long before!!
Another note: Chrysler is and has been, at periods, with mitsubishi and Hyunday developing technologies and engines for them. Hey they even have a plant in germany that they built together!!
AND if you LOOK very carefuly, many of the engines that the Chrysler uses are made by.......MITSUBISHI!! more now than ever!!
Actualy if you look at the history of this two companies they have been together for a long time!!!
The G63b turbo intercooler engine was developed in 1983 by MITSUBISHI. OOOhhh what a coincidence that Chrysler started in a year later!!! Is like someone walked by the Mitsu plant and said,"I wander if we could do that too?"
Go back to that page that you illustriously and magnanimously, posted an read carefuly. The company that Chrysler took for resourses and technologies was, among others, MITSUBISHI!! Why hiring a bunch of engeneers to develop an engine if you could buy it cheaper all ready made! dont have to build it just have our specs sent in and bualla new motor!! put our sticker on it, is important!! need to keep the illusion that we did it!!!
Chrysler took from 1977 to 1983 to develop the fuel injection system for an engine!,(174hps, honda did the same Hps w/o a turbo!) It was easer to get the f***ing thing made. (Is to hard to THINK CREATIVELY!)
The Turbos were by Garrett
Many of the disigns done on the "Shelugly" was done by LOTUS! and they were unreliable. they admited that!!! the car needed more headgaskets than tires!!! their explication was that the car was done using an egined NOT designed for a turbo aplication. Well, what kind of egineer will do something like that! copied directly from Chrysler page: "the official GLHS numbers went like this: quarter-mile in 14.7 seconds, 0-60 in 6.5 sec, and .88g on the skidpad" WOW, I don't know, is that fast?... only produced 7,700!!
Yes, the domestics have made great cars, but many others companies have done the same!! Look at Porche's history, success after success! BMW, WOW, have you seen their new M3 line! not to mention the M5 and M6
or Nissan their cars are very nice and they are making the GT-R(skyline) for the US. Audi has great cars. (the R8 is a kick in the A**) Lotus have the exige s, that is a fun car
I dont have to say anything about Ferrari, Lambo, alfas, , Pagani, Bugatti, Aston Martin, Bentley, Ducengberg and many more. they are
to rich for my blood.
AND yas there are other Domestic cars that are GREAT, but the fact is that they are losing ground fast. Their reputation is tainted by poor reliability and quality. Like I always said; what is the use of having that many horses if you can't put them to the ground or it brakes down!!!
If the Big Three han't lobbied for law that imposed regulations to the foreing cars they would have been out of bussiness long time ago, they imposed this regulations to save their behinds because they knew the imports were doing better, more reliable and cost effective cars that them!
My point is that; if they are that great why they are so bad!
Oh, here are some FACTS!:
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/22t.html Loved what the engeneers said about the heads!
http://www.allpar.com/history/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Corporation
http://www.turbodriven.com/en/turbofacts/index.asp
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/History.htm
http://freespace.virgin.net/c.coleman/turbhist.htm
http://www.imps4ever.info/marques/chrysler.html
http://www.histomobile.com/histomob/...35/histo02.htm
http://www.inu.net/davidstua/chrysler_case_part1.htm
and if you don't want web pages, then read:
Riding the Roller Coaster: A History of the Chrysler Corporation. By Charles K. Hyde. Detroit
EYE OPENER