Need help with turbo oil line routing... PICS Inside

[Philly-Night-SR]

Just finished putting together a turbo kit with a TD05H 14b and I need help routing the oil line and Coolant Lines. I'd like to know what you think.... here are some pics of it mocked up on my old motor to check fitament...

(I still need to clock the center cartridge so it is "upside down" compared to the stock DSM's)

I think I have two options for the Oil Drain, in front of the downpipe or behind it. How high of heat can that High temp line take? Maybe there is heatwrap shielding I can wrap it in? I am thinking I can make a bracket either way to hold the line either close to the block if I run behind the DP...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/MockedOilLines.jpg

In Front...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/MockedOilDrainInFront.jpg

Behind...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/MockedOilDrain5.jpg

If I go behind I am thinking of using this DSM Drain Line to make the 90 degree turn...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/PossibleSolution.jpg


For the Feed Line I have two options, which is better? Tap the Greddy Oil Block Adapter or use the OEM port on the housing?
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/FeedSolution.jpg

And lastly the Coolant.... Not sure which of these to tap into?
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/CoolantLocationGood.jpg

[Philly-Night-SR]

Anyone? I want to start getting the parts I need together for this by the weekend....

[Philly-Night-SR]

Think this is good for the drain line?

5/8" ID Aeroquip Socketless black hose

It says it is good for up to 200 degree Fahrenheit, is that enough? Then I am thinking about wrapping the manifold with Thermotec header wrap and possibly looking for some kind of thermal sleeve for the Drain Line....

[Philly-Night-SR]

bump (?)

[twistedlanes]

wow I wish I could help. it seems like your the only one postin in your thread.
I have no Idea whats goin on there, so just consider this a free bump.

[Silverfc88]

I suggest not to use the old DSM drain line. If you do, use a brand new one or just get some stainless or socketless lines with some adapters.



Are the ports on the filter adapter before or after filtration?

[redline]

I suggest not to use to old DSM drain line. If you do, use a brand new one or just get some stainless or socketless lines with some adapters.



Are the ports on the filter adapter before or after filtration?

Oil filters flow from the outside to the inside, judging from the picture I would say before it is filtered. After it passes through the media it goes to the block through the center.

[peteyturbo]

Whatever you do, it does not look like fun..

[Philly-Night-SR]

Okay so you are saying to use the spot on the Greddy block instead of the housing because the Greddy tap will be supplying clean oil?

Second, 95nracer--I agree I scrapped that idea. I think I am going to weld-in a bung then fing a fitting that will make that same 90 degree turn.

[enigma]

I would NOT use rubber in an area that is that close to the downpipe, it wouldn't take much for the hose to get too hot and cause some serious problems.
Why not bend up some 1/2" or 3/4" copper tubing?
You can get decent compression fittings from many hydraulic stores, and you wouldn't have to worry about deterioting rubber.

[Philly-Night-SR]

hmmm....interesting idea I guess I could do that... what do you mean by compression fittings? How would I connect hard copper line to the drain flange of the turbo?

[RayArroyo]

ok here is what i would do

http://usera.imagecave.com/revitup/MockedOilLines.jpg

the brown simulates hard stainless line sort of like the oem tube get some aluminum tubing and bend it to shape and have someone weld it to your oilpan
this will eliminate the worries of having the return line melt. then have the rubber return line straignt down. the nice thing about the stainless tubing is that is easily bendable. oil feed is ok.

[RayArroyo]

use this company and look at their pictures, you can the get a small pipe bender http://www.inlinetube.com/ocatalog.htm

you can even use a flare on the end by the oil pan and use a flare nut

[teh DIRT]

hey just FYI, my old oil drain line ran parallel to my uppipe (manifold) with in some spots a cm inbetween. No problems. but yeah hard line is safer

[RayArroyo]

also looking at my diagram i would bring up the hard line closer to the turbo. if you need help let me know i know where to buy the line the flare tool and the fitting for the oil pan side. it will be like an oem drain.

[Philly-Night-SR]

Awesome thanks Ray... I think I am getting your idea...the pan is steel though, so I guess I'll have to use some type of steel tubing that will allow a 10an or 1/2 drain tube to slip over it and clamp... something like this, but a longer tube:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/gallery2Flab2Fdcfred2Fturboinstall2.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/42lyphx.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/l_8efd37d0717db81e0b50e9c78a8cf955.jpg

[RayArroyo]

thats it!!!!!!! like i said i know where to get everything if you need me ill go to your house and help you should take us about 3 hours in total to get it perfect then we flair the end by the pan and use a flare nut


heres what you need http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc%2fsearchResults.jsp&keyword=Flaring+Tool&cm_ven=hd_goog&cm_cat=Search&cm_pla=D-26X&cm_ite=bid10088293-Flaring_Tool


http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_752568_-1_10019

[Philly-Night-SR]

then we flair the end by the pan and use a flare nut

I don't understand what you mean by that. Thanks so much for the offer to help... I am so ****ing confused by all the AN, NPT, 5/8", 1/2", thread size, pitch etc. crap I don't know what will work and what won't.... lol What you are proposing, would we have to weld the oil pan or is there a way to drill and tap it so it seals? I can use that spare pan, but I don't have a welder... I have a friend that has pipe benders, worst case I could rent one from ORE...

[RayArroyo]

nothing gets welded to the pan

we drill and tap the pan

install one of these through

http://www.tunerschoice.com/eccStoreFront/product_images/11_Fittings/6176035_L.jpg

then we use a nylon crushwasher and a bolt inside the pan to get this fitting secured.


next step the tube gets flaired



we will be using a nut like this to attach to the fitting on the pan

http://www.tunerschoice.com/eccStoreFront/product_images/11_Fittings/6176055_R.jpg



now how does this work


the tubing gets flaired with the flair tool which means the end of the tube opens up and bends we take the nut and slide it in through the part of the hose we did not flair, once we tighten the nut to the fitting on the pan it compresses the the flair part of the tube as it tightens making it air tight.

ill see if i have better pics at home for reffrence

[Philly-Night-SR]

I completely understand now.... Do you have AOL IM? Are you serious about helping me do this? The car is up at my parents house in Quakertown, I live down in Philly.. I can supply beers and pizza or whatever you want if you wanna give me a hand with it some weekend...

[RayArroyo]

I completely understand now.... Do you have AOL IM? Are you serious about helping me do this? The car is up at my parents house in Quakertown, I live down in Philly.. I can supply beers and pizza or whatever you want if you wanna give me a hand with it some weekend...

aim is turbotekray

[redline]

Hey guys if you need seamless stainless tubing and compression fittings just pm me with the sizes and angles and I'll see what I can do for free:thumbup:

Edit: This goes for anyone I have tons of leftovers

[Philly-Night-SR]

wow are you serious redline!? that would be awesome! Can you bend the pipes or are they prebent?


Ray, I am going up to work on the car this weekend installing the slimfan and getting a few other things ready.... what kind of measurements should I take? After I take some measurements I think I will pull that oil pan off so it's ready to to tap or drill or whatever....

[redline]

wow are you serious redline!? that would be awesome! Can you bend the pipes or are they prebent?


Ray, I am going up to work on the car this weekend installing the slimfan and getting a few other things ready.... what kind of measurements should I take? After I take some measurements I think I will pull that oil pan off so it's ready to to tap or drill or whatever....

I really can't bend it without being there but I can cut certain lengths for you if you let me know what you need. I mostly have 3/8 seamless tubing that I can cut to length for you but you will need to find a tubing bender and flare block unless I come out and assist as a favor. I will need you to think it out what fittings & reducers/bells you might need to make it as streamline as possible! PM the details and we'll work it out:thumbup:

Edit: These fittings/tubings can handle 300psi.

[RayArroyo]

wow are you serious redline!? that would be awesome! Can you bend the pipes or are they prebent?


Ray, I am going up to work on the car this weekend installing the slimfan and getting a few other things ready.... what kind of measurements should I take? After I take some measurements I think I will pull that oil pan off so it's ready to to tap or drill or whatever....

leave the pan on the car with 2 bolts, we will bend the stuff when i get there

[Philly-Night-SR]

will do... redline thanks so much man I really appriciate it!

should I order the fittings to tap the pan awhile? Can I get them thru you?

[RayArroyo]

we need to order the fittings and all lets get this thing done!!!

[Philly-Night-SR]

Took some measurements and I think this looks to be the best solution...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/evolutionyz/OilLinesRequest.jpg

[teh DIRT]

from what I know you want it to be more of a vertical drop to the pan. The 90* turn isnt optimal. Should work still I assume.

[77F-150]

good luck with the project

[Philly-Night-SR]

Dirt.... I know man but I kinda have no real options.... That pipe leading to the pan isn't going to be completely horizontal.. I will be able to give it a 15-20 degree slope back into the pan... should be enough I think...

[teh DIRT]

yeah thats a good idea. just keep it at a slight angle to continue the downward flow.