DSM's Ultimate street cars?

[jc8889]

Maybe? maybe not, but this video does all dsm's some justice.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/380a127d-a79b-4bb8-888a-982d016f425b.htm

[97TurboDSM]

i vote yes. i miss mine soooooooooooooo much
EDIT: that dsm is wicked quick

[jc8889]

^agreed

[Crzyguy972]

:iagree:

[hystericfox]

It isn't cool to beat up on an old man's car like that.


That's a really respectable kill.

[PaleDSM]

I love 'em but would never call them the ultimate street car.

[james_ls]

I love 'em but would never call them the ultimate street car.

Agreed.

Can they be NASTY street cars?

Hells yeah.

The ULTIMATE?

Nah.

[turbo4g63]

thats right, i love it

[SpoolinDSM]

Damn right they are the ultimate street car :banana: Until they break...

[OptiCon]

^ ... the ultimate lawn decor?

That's a claim I might agree with. I mean seriously... A DSM beats the everliving **** out of a garden knomb.

[ToyotaTat]

wow, fast

[SpoolinDSM]

^ ... the ultimate lawn decor?

That's a claim I might agree with. I mean seriously... A DSM beats the everliving **** out of a garden knomb.

I think thats exactly why just about all dsmers own more that one :wink:

[justice]

Gotta love the 4G63 motor.

[assault187]

what other car can you look at sideways to make more power like a dsm???
SpoolinDSM, Its inevitable that every car will break, especially after 10+ years. Its the only thing to expect when you crank 400hp out of a part that was only made for 230hp
anyways theses cars get a bad rep but I'd have to say DSM's are the ultimate 4 banger beast's

[OptiCon]

My factory 2.2 can handle (and flow) 500hp with nothing more than a bigger snail and fuel support... and over 800hp fully built (as Stephane* has demonstrated). That's a design that goes back to the mid 80's.

While DSMs are incredible machines for their time... Don't forget the pioneers.

*A rookie "garage style" NHRA race team with a Chrysler TIII powered Dodge Charger GLHS that took 3rd place in it's class against multi-million dollar competitors. http://nhraimport.com/2007/drivers/S_Beauregard.html

[assault187]

does a SRT-4 have AWD? So can a dsm bud,I.E. Good vibes value jet, Stock motor with upgraded turbo and fuel mods 500+ AWHP

[noclutch]

Stock 4g63s are typically on borrowed time at 500whp. I know for a fact that the valujet currently has a built motor.
DSMs are far from the 'ultimate street car.'

[dturbocivic]

DSMs are far from the 'ultimate street car.'



haha, i bet John Shepard would disagree. mufukers FAST !!i belive he still runs interior/stock glass/stock doors.

[eviltalon]

Well then guys i ask this Question. If Dsm's aren't the the Ultimate Street Car then what is?

[SpoolinDSM]

haha, i bet John Shepard would disagree. mufukers FAST !!i belive he still runs interior/stock glass/stock doors.

Yea, I mean it is the fastest street legal car...

[SpoolinDSM]

Well then guys i ask this Question. If Dsm's aren't the the Ultimate Street Car then what is?

That's what I would like to know.

[noclutch]

Well then guys i ask this Question. If Dsm's aren't the the Ultimate Street Car then what is?

'Street' car. I would say something thats got all options in tact, looks nice and is fast. Maybe the 7 second turbo (6-speed)viper or (auto)supras. These cars are in a different league then the street dsms.



haha, i bet John Shepard would disagree. mufukers FAST !!i belive he still runs interior/stock glass/stock doors.

Thats no streetcar. Its on alcohol, has a 3 gallon cell, exhaust out the front, lexan, fg hatch an a friggin parachute. :lol:
Ive seen video of him doing tuning pulls on the street but its far from a streetcar.

[noclutch]

http://users.lvcm.com/racer74/extreme/Underground-Garth-World-Rec.wmv

[eviltalon]

Ok guys i see your piont but for the cash dsm own hands down.

[noclutch]

Who cares about value when you're talking about an 'ultimate' car. :screwy:
Best budget drag bucket, I think DSMs might have their place.

[eviltalon]

Well I'll tell u what big fella not everyone can afford a supra or viper to build.

[noclutch]

Well look at the title of the thread, then look at all the responses claiming that DSMs are the ultimate street cars. I was just responding to that with my opinion that they aren't and I showed the type of cars which I feel might fit the bill a little better. Now you're changing it up and telling me that a DSM is a good performing car for the money, I agree with that. That doesn't mean that its the ultimate street car.

[98GSXdude]

dsms are the 2nd ultimate street car, the bugatti veyron wins by a hair. but for the money i'd say dsms.

[SpoolinDSM]

Well I'll tell u what big fella not everyone can afford a supra or viper to build.

+1, we are talking street cars for a normal person not a shop sponsered car.

[SpoolinDSM]

And how often do you see a viper like that at a street race? Exactly, you don't. But you do see DSM's beating up on just about all the cars there.

[noclutch]

No. You typically see the RWD muscle cars and singled Supras stomping on everybody. (we aren't talking about south philly right?) Again, we were talking about the ultimate street car, not the car you see the most at the street races or the most affordable car, etc..
BTW that viper isnt shop owned or sponsored. Just shop driven. :)

[Zeropistonz]

For the common "tuner" and "garage mechanic" thats looking for a "street" car, I think i'm going to have to agree. DSM's are great cars. A "street car" I perceive as an easily obtainable car that was built for the street and not for track that can be driven on the street. DSM's have lots of aftermarket parts, are pretty easy to work on, can make VERY impressive power and on top of all that can still be used for everyday driving. Somedays I miss my DSM :(

Of course I'd rather keep a rotary under my hood ;)

[noclutch]

Sure they're great until you run into a slicked H/C LS1 car on nitrous. Or a single turbo auto supra. Or a backhalved anything.
Hell I could put together a foxbody mustang that would stomp most DSMs for CHEAP. The aftermarket is there, the parts and research are there. Not that I would but Im just trying to make a point. DSMs can be made fast for cheap but so can most other performance based factory cars. But what the **** do I know, right?

[awdriver]

yeah im lovin my freshly restored 1g almost everything on the car is new its very reliable i was out rippin on it today like it was a stock honda im keepin it mild so i can floor it more. evo3/550's stage 3 eprom/afc:mrgreen:

[wgknestrick]

How is any DSM better than an EVO?

EVOs have everything DSMs have, but also have half decent reliability and can handle. I've personally seen 2 DSMs flat-bedded into TurboTriz one afternoon while I was getting some welding done. The DSM guy I rode down with through a rod bearing on the dyno. They are just fast POS's to me.

[eviltalon]

Ok wgknestrick,first of all John Shepards talon would smoke any evo on its bad day. U think dsm's are pos. If your car was atleast 12 years old or older and was treated like **** for most of those years wouldn't yours break down to?

But u are entitled to your own opinion:)

[wgknestrick]

Ok wgknestrick,first of all John Shepards talon would smoke any evo on its bad day. U think dsm's are pos. If your car was atleast 12 years old or older and was treated like **** for most of those years wouldn't yours break down to?

But u are entitled to your own opinion:)

I don't really see your argument here. A single car that is FAR, FAR, FAR from stock and only drag raced means nothing. (Don't forget there are plenty of older EVOs in the 8s & 9s too, which I don't consider very slow) DSMs have their reputation because they have earned it all themselves, bad owners or not.

[SpoolinDSM]

All these people are trying to make points, but it's kind of hard to try to prove a point against something you don't own.

[eviltalon]

I don't really see your argument here. A single car that is FAR, FAR, FAR from stock and only drag raced means nothing. (Don't forget there are plenty of older EVOs in the 8s & 9s too, which I don't consider very slow) DSMs have their reputation because they have earned it all themselves, bad owners or not.

I use John Shepards car to make a piont. How many evo's do u see running 7's. Not that evo's aren't fast cars. Lets see how reliable evo's are in 10 years when there cheap as hell and been beaten to death. And why do u think that in such a short time the evo's are diping into the 9's and 8's, because they have a very very similar motor to the dsm's.

[jc8889]

It all comes down to the owner, or the person who maintains the car. My experience with DSM's have been great. Ive owned my GSX for 6 years now and its never once gave me anykind of problem. The main problems with DSM's is the fact that they are hard to work on. If you can figure out how to work on them, your as good as gold. Most dsm's you see out there are so hacked up because of some KID that wanted a turbo car, and had absolutely NO idea what he or she was doing. Me on the other hand worked at a shop for 5 years and know about cars. I admit DSM's are complicated sometimes, you just gotta take your time to figure out how this particular car functions. Personally Ive owned atleast 10-13 DSM's and I dont find them UNreliable, like I said it depends how the car was previously taken care of.

And EVILTALON, good lookin out by stickin up for what we love, most of these people arguing about how DSM's are unreliable have never even owned one. They just heard stories from people who dont know a thing about what they own.

[Renegade_]

When you guys say street car I think you are saying it with a pre-conceived idea of a straight line car. A street car should have the ability to do both as a "street" isn't automatically a straight line. Thats a drag car.

I would have to say in the price/performance ratio while taking all aspects into account, in the USDM market the evo wins in my opinion.

In a straight line, both the evo and DSMs share motor archetypes so you really cant descriminate them based on their motors (unless there is a motor difference that I am not aware of, I am not a DSM guy so please tell me if there is). STis (other than the 07 limiteds) don't have the ability to keep up with an Evo mod for mod, dollar for dollar but both of them handle very well each with their own characteristics (evo is more neutral, subies understeer a tad more... but after seeing an STi with a 2 way LSD in action.... wow)

Handling on the other hand the evo will smack a DSM around. Not saying a DSM can't be made to handle as you can pretty much make any car handle moderately well to very good depending on how much money you want to throw at it. Supras are awesome in a straight line (the first time I got a ride in a supra I was grinning more and more as the boost kept building), but I highly doubt they could outhandle evos when the turns come.

I'm making this assumption not based on any reliability issues and just looking at performance aspects.

[jc8889]

Renegade, you make a good argument about evo's being the best bang for the buck, but if your gonna bring bang for the buck aspect into the picture im gonna have to disagree about the evo. You can buy any 90-99 GSX(AWD) for less than 1k-7K and sink 10K into it and have a pretty NASTY street car. As for the EVO your gonna spend that 17K for a stock car. **** if money wasnt an issue we would be talkin about exotics such as the porsche's, ferrari's, etc...

[Renegade_]

I know this question will seem out of the blue... but how do DSMs take to swapping in JDM Evo driveline components? If you could swap in an Evo steering rack and get the tight ratio (12.5:1 I think?) then DSMs would be a lot more formidable. Then again I might just be talking out of my ass as I don't really know DSMs too well.

And for price comparison it is basically what you value more. If you want to spend less, get the same straight line response as the evo, a DSM would be an obvious choice. But after that initial investment is done its all a matter of how much is handling worth it to you.

[jc8889]

I know this question will seem out of the blue... but how do DSMs take to swapping in JDM Evo driveline components? If you could swap in an Evo steering rack and get the tight ratio (12.5:1 I think?) then DSMs would be a lot more formidable. Then again I might just be talking out of my ass as I don't really know DSMs too well.

And for price comparison it is basically what you value more. If you want to spend less, get the same straight line response as the evo, a DSM would be an obvious choice. But after that initial investment is done its all a matter of how much is handling worth it to you.

As for suspension, you can make a DSM handle real bad ass. I dont know if you recall but either last year or the year before in sport compact mag. they held the ultimate street car challange, well there was a 2G Gsx in the contest that was the Fastest on the roadcourse. Id rather buy a real nice 2G for 7K and spend 2k-3K on suspension and it'll handle much better than an evo and your still 10K less than the evo.

[awd4g63]

Anyone that ever said there DSM was a POS is because they didn't know what they were doing. I have had over a dozen of them. Alot of them had problems when I bought them, but thats because of the previous owners not knowing anything about them. If you know the cars, they are amazing cars. If you never had one, buy one and then say its a POS.

[jc8889]

^ awd4g63 said it all. And your right about you buying dsm's with problems from morons who jacked them all up, thats why alot of people have problems.

[noclutch]

All these people are trying to make points, but it's kind of hard to try to prove a point against something you don't own.

I own 3 of them.

[SpoolinDSM]

Most dsm's you see out there are so hacked up because of some KID that wanted a turbo car, and had absolutely NO idea what he or she was doing.


I resent that comment :( :wink:

[MrGudbar99]

Ultimate street car? I like to this so. But when I see this question... Well then guys i ask this Question. If Dsm's aren't the the Ultimate Street Car then what is?
..., I can't think of another car. Not that I have been "spanking" people on the road, but I've seen what they are capable of.

[jc8889]

I resent that comment :( :wink:

No offense, Im talking about young ass kids beating the crap out of these cars with NO knowledge about how the car functions.

[alwaysinboost]

I own 3 of them.

don't you mean 2.5 :-p

[SpoolinDSM]

No offense, Im talking about young ass kids beating the crap out of these cars with NO knowledge about how the car functions.

I know, I was joking, I get a lot of **** from people anyways cause I'm only 16

[PaleDSM]

Ultimate street car? I like to this so. But when I see this question...
..., I can't think of another car. Not that I have been "spanking" people on the road, but I've seen what they are capable of.

Good point. My vote for ultimate street car would go to...

-Exige S by Lotus. Handles incredible. Fast in a straight line. Brakes incredible. Toyota reliability in the drivetrain. 30mph on pump gas.

[noclutch]

Good point. My vote for ultimate street car would go to...

-Exige S by Lotus. Handles incredible. Fast in a straight line. Brakes incredible. Toyota reliability in the drivetrain. 30mph on pump gas.

No. Not everyone it this thread can afford one and not everyone owns one so it doesnt count. The 'Ultimate Street Car' thread is limited to what any 16 year old kid can build on a budget. DSM>ALL :bigeek:

[SpoolinDSM]

When did I ever say it was the ultimate street car because kids my age can build one on a budget? I didn't. It's a great street car because anyone (with a general knowladge on tuning) on any budget (above 1k) can make one fast.

[noclutch]

Look at the question it the title of the thread. You guys are saying, 'IF DSM's arent the ultimate street car then what is.' And you dont like the answer.
DSMs are a good car for the budget but theres nothing ultimate about them.

[SpoolinDSM]

Ok then maybe the title should say "DSM's, ultimate budget street car"

[noclutch]

Sure, thats accurate.

[gvautosport]

I just found this post and saw reference to my car. To answer the question. The only reason my motor was pulled out was because I lost the oil filter housing while street tuning. Althought the motors are strong...they still need oil pressure.

I will say that I have had my share of cars...and, I was on the 2.2 band wagon...I had a Omni GLHS - yes, a real one - but not pretty and a Dodge Spirit RT. They are neat cars - but FWD's suck. Torque steer, loss of traction...not fun. The SRT4's are cool dailys - but again, FWD only.

I flat out think - they are the ultimate 'bang for buck' mod car on the road. I would love to hear a valid argument against that statement.

Anyone who hates DSM's simply cant beat them. Those in the know respect them.