Might be going Saab soon

[DropTopChevy]

Yeah you read right. :lol: But last night cosmic95 (one of the saab guys on here) let me drive his 2003 Saab 9-5 Aero. I must say that thing is a blast to drive. It has all of the creature comforts that the passat has such as fuel economy status, heated seats, and I actually like the whole key in the center console. It took me a while to get used to where the clutch engages compared to the V-Dub but the car is like a rocket once the boost kicks in and I love the overboost in 3rd gear. As my foot mashed the accelerator to the floor my grin increased directly proportional to the speed of the car. The car handles quite well since it was wet out last night and it only being FWD. Very impressed and Ill have to agree with the Saab guys how they say that no one gives Saab the credit it deserves. As Andrew said to me "Saabs are know for being driven by doctors and architects" Well I will happily support that stereotype being a future architect. :cyberguy:

[DropTopChevy]

Would people post in here if I said I think a Saab 9-5 Can pull on an STI?

[Buster]

only to tell you youre wrong.

[BluMeanie]

Lets face it, no one on here cares about European cars. Well a lot of ppl dont. And to be honest. I could care less about Saabs

[Broken5hift]

if they werent so expensive id be more into them.

[Vypurr]

hahaha...No 9-5 will pull on an STi. They are probably comfy tho!

[thewake]

We just got one for the BABE rally. I'll let you know what we think about it as we get into it.

if they werent so expensive id be more into them.

We bought one for $250. You must not be looking hard enough.

[cosmic95]

vypurr,

because you took the time to post such a ridiculous statement, i hope you'll take the time to click on this link...

this is a particular circumstance where the "comfortable" 9-5 would more than likely rape a stage 1 or 2 STi.

Let me just say this... I really do love WRX's, thats why i use them as a performance indicator for my car. they (lets not forget evo's too) really set the bar for "cheap speed." and isn't that why we all belong to this forum anyway?

http://www.maptun.com/cars.php?id=212

[Vypurr]

That is a very clean install with a very very smooth tq curve. I am sure that if it was able to hook up it would give an sti or evo a very hard race and probably win. But you gotta admit that its a rarity to see one of them with that kinda work.

[cosmic95]

it is rare to see that level of work on a 9-5. Their ecu's (bosch trionic 7) are a very tricky tune. and only about a handful of companies in the entire world offer mailbox tunes. other saabs, such as the 900, NG900, and 9000, are substantially easier to tune and honestly are much more potent than the 9-5 as far dollar-to-HP.

My sister is actually working on her engineering Phd. at the University of Michigan doing research on engine management for combustionless engines. its a program supported by mo-town and bosch. shes promised me that she'll teach me to tune T7 so maybe ill be able to get my 9-5 to that level without some silly swedish company. by the way... she drives a saab too.

droptop- go for it.

[Raven18940]

But you gotta admit that its a rarity to see one of them with that kinda work.

There's a lot more tuned saabs running around than you might think. They're like stealth bombers, you don't know they're there until they blow the crap out of you.

[DropTopChevy]

Another useless post by Susie http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c168/WildCat69/banners/clap2.gif But on the other hand I still think that it can pull on an STI. I have riden in an STI and riden in a saab 9-5 Aero and from my own perspective I think the saab could take it.

DISCUSS :lol:

[BluMeanie]

Thats me a ****ing waste of space. Excuse me while I got slit my wrist now since Miller doesnt like me.

But on the other hand I still think that it can pull on an STI. I have riden in an STI and riden in a saab 9-5 Aero and from my own perspective I think the saab could take it.

DISCUSS :lol:
As for that...I think you must be smoking Raven's pole.

[DropTopChevy]

Atleast I know I got to you. My day is complete. :mrgreen:
Good thing I was talking about cosmic's car? Since that is the saab I was originally talking about...

[BluMeanie]

Nah didnt get me. Just thought we were being smartasses. Whoops, my bad!!

[DropTopChevy]

Nah didnt get me. Just thought we were being smartasses. Whoops, my bad!!

Your singature says otherwise????

[BluMeanie]

Again...thats me being a smatass. Liz must like you for a reason, but Im sure its not your quick wit. :mrgreen:

[DropTopChevy]

Um yeah.

[subwrxkid]

Bring it back kid! I think this one can go places. LOLz

[C'DALERIDER]

:supz::rotfl:

[Jssaab]

Ron the 9-5 just got a new ECU to lean it out a bit- Last dynoed at 289WHP 330 WTQ, getting there.

[NOPSTNS]

who goes on tst and talks **** on stis? why not go into alabama and say ur part of the black panthers, thatll be less dangerous.


if theres one thing i kno (and it took 8 months for me to learn it) dont say anything about....torque, turbos, awd, subaru, rally, or anything in between bc ur gonna get ur ass handed to you....


ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND

since i have none of those things mentioned, i dont talk much....

[Raven18940]

who goes on tst and talks **** on stis? ...

We do, cause they aren't that fast. Saab has 30 years of rally experience and victories, a handful of production car land speed records, and 30 years of experience turbo charging road cars. The same can't be said for Subaru. Saabs can and do make serious power.

[EvlEgl]

Its not called TristateSTI's Your acting like It's The fastest most ballerest **** ever...It's called having an opinion, Everyone has one.

I personally think European cars are overlooked because there a little more expensive to Tune/Mod and Buy...I can go fast for cheaper in a Mitsubishi than I can in a Saab...But I do like the look of the 9-5 and everyone has there own personal taste...It just so happens that this site started with mostly Subaru Owners, But is infact meant for all makes and models...So hop off the Subaru Train

[Raven18940]

It's the european forum, let me have my soapbox here. :-p

[redwrxwagon02]

put a 30r on a sti and put the 30r'd saab against the sti both fully tuned with supporting mods as shown and see who wins that battle

[Buster]

FWD FTL over and over and over.....

[Jssaab]

put a 30r on a sti and put the 30r'd saab against the sti both fully tuned with supporting mods as shown and see who wins that battle
http://www.saablink.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1276&d=1177290506

This is a 2.0L Saab 9-3 convertible ( means heavy car) with GT3071 (not R) without LSD in Denver against a Z06 corvette (the corvette will do in the 11's at sea level)

All Raven is trying to say is that Saabs can go... and pretty Luxo too...

[Raven18940]

put a 30r on a sti and put the 30r'd saab against the sti both fully tuned with supporting mods as shown and see who wins that battle

Take the launch out of the equation and I'd bet money the saab would produce more power and be faster. Look at JSSAAB's car, he's making all that power with A modded T25. I think he's still running the stock peanut cams too. A GT3071R saab will easily be in the 400whp to 400wtq range.

[Vypurr]

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[Vypurr]

Take the launch out of the equation and I'd bet money the saab would produce more power and be faster. Look at JSSAAB's car, he's making all that power with A modded T25. I think he's still running the stock peanut cams too. A GT3071R saab will easily be in the 400whp to 400wtq range.

George...How can you honestly say to take out the launch? The launch is part of the race, and the launch is where most races are won and lost. That's like saying take out the meat from a subway sandwich and do the same to a bowl of pasta and see which is better then.

[Jssaab]

George...How can you honestly say to take out the launch? The launch is part of the race, and the launch is where most races are won and lost. That's like saying take out the meat from a subway sandwich and do the same to a bowl of pasta and see which is better then.

Of course this is all kinda funny, both Saab abd Subaru are not drag cars at all, built as rally drivers...

that said I think they are both pretty equal in the abilty to produce power department...

but one is definitely a more refined ride.... and the other can get the power to the ground faster (but shows less torque and lotsa added weight) So Like I said.. pretty equal....

...cams...

No I have T5 Cams. My car with BSR Stage III and the GT17 easily handled Stock STIs until over 100 MPH...

[Intercooled T]

bump b/c I'm curious, how much of a difference is there b/t the 9-2x Aero and WRX? (engine-wise)

[Buster]

nothing its the same exact car, pop the hood and it says subaru. It was just a GM and FHI love child.

[EvlEgl]

Someone sounds Salty about that.

[Buster]

Yeah George is haha, you ever see the Prodrive Saabaru! ****s hot son!

[BluMeanie]

Oh dip! **** just got real!

[redwrxwagon02]

Take the launch out of the equation and I'd bet money the saab would produce more power and be faster. Look at JSSAAB's car, he's making all that power with A modded T25. I think he's still running the stock peanut cams too. A GT3071R saab will easily be in the 400whp to 400wtq range.

riddle me this mr raven that 30r'd saab did it have a fully built bottom end? if so thats the deciding factor darling

sti's can produce well over 400 whp and tq with a 30r with a stock long block ie heads, bottom end, and valvetrain and just like vypur said the launch is part of the race man if the saab drivers is a compitent driver he would not have to complain about the launch i know plenty of guys who can launch a fwd like and awd

[redwrxwagon02]

i answered my own question it has a fully built motor and trans it says maptun stage 7 engine and driveline parts subies win again

[Raven18940]

riddle me this mr raven that 30r'd saab did it have a fully built bottom end? if so thats the deciding factor darling

sti's can produce well over 400 whp and tq with a 30r with a stock long block ie heads, bottom end, and valvetrain and just like vypur said the launch is part of the race man if the saab drivers is a compitent driver he would not have to complain about the launch i know plenty of guys who can launch a fwd like and awd

I know the launch is part of the race, and I can launch my car very well as I've driven it for 2 years now. If upped my power I'd just get a beefier clutch and go from 2nd.

As for what a saab can handle, the 9-5 aero can handle 300 bhp (the pistons are weaker than the old 9000) on bone stock internals, the pistons being the weak point as they're not forged. Swap them for forged pistons and the stock rods will take you to around 450 - 500 bhp. From there it's forged rods and the engine can take whatever you can throw at it, stiffer springs and mechanical lifters if you wanna spin it to 8-9K.

The older 9000 (B234) can handle 400 hp bone stock with 200K on it. We're tuning my friend's 9Kwith 190K on it up to 300hp real soon.

http://93ssr.com/engine/
This one is producing 850 whp.

Oh and Maptun is a saab tuning company, they did the tune, not built the engine. It was probably pistons, maybe rods, injectors, bigger fuel pump, and cams off a 9000.

[redwrxwagon02]

I know the launch is part of the race, and I can launch my car very well as I've driven it for 2 years now. If upped my power I'd just get a beefier clutch and go from 2nd.

As for what a saab can handle, the 9-5 aero can handle 300 bhp (the pistons are weaker than the old 9000) on bone stock internals, the pistons being the weak point as they're not forged. Swap them for forged pistons and the stock rods will take you to around 450 - 500 bhp. From there it's forged rods and the engine can take whatever you can throw at it, stiffer springs and mechanical lifters if you wanna spin it to 8-9K.

The older 9000 (B234) can handle 400 hp bone stock with 200K on it. We're tuning my friend's 9Kwith 190K on it up to 300hp real soon.

http://93ssr.com/engine/
This one is producing 850 whp.

Oh and Maptun is a saab tuning company, they did the tune, not built the engine. It was probably pistons, maybe rods, injectors, bigger fuel pump, and cams off a 9000.

i have heard of maptun but when the description of engine and powertrain mods lists all maptun stage 7 parts that makes me think fully forged internals if you want to get a 2.5 to make 600 + its better internals, cams and turbo and injectors and other obvious supporting mods that guy is pushing 500 whp on a fully built motor whereas a stock 2.5 can do almost the same with stock internals

[Raven18940]

i have heard of maptun but when the description of engine and powertrain mods lists all maptun stage 7 parts that makes me think fully forged internals if you want to get a 2.5 to make 600 + its better internals, cams and turbo and injectors and other obvious supporting mods that guy is pushing 500 whp on a fully built motor whereas a stock 2.5 can do almost the same with stock internals

Aside from the pistons, saabs do have forged internals, the older 9000 had all forged internals.

There is a guy who's running 450 hp on the standard B205 internals, but he's specifically pushing it to see how far it will go.

Saabs used to be built a bit tougher, but the latest generation are low friction and light weight internals to the extreme. It's all a moot point though as they're killing off the engine in the next couple years and replacing it with the a turbocharged version of the global GM V6, which was developed by saab and is supposed to have even more potential.

[Buster]

for the record, 400 whp is alot more than 450 bhp. espcially if its 400 AWHP to 450 in a FWD BHP.

[redwrxwagon02]

once again subaru ftmfw!

[Raven18940]

once again subaru ftmfw!

Based on the set of rules you made up, sure.

[Jssaab]

The guy who did my tune is the one who has been running 389WHP on a 250K mile 2.0 engine with all orignial stock internals and he beats on it like mad. He did not blow a piston till he hit it with a 125 shot of NOS at it made 500-525 BHP on the dyno. Yes Subarus are nice but not a Luxury ride....

http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/bb/performance/index.html?bID=116798