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twistedlanes
02-20-2007, 12:30 PM
Okay so last year we started a car show at CCP in the west philly campus. It was a good turn out and was a lot of fun, but I want for it to be bigger and better this year with the help of my fellow TsT'ers. We are having a meeting today to discuss what we are doing exactly and hopefully wether or not it will be in the same location. When I get more info I hope that some of you guys would be interested in participating. All that I do know is that the show will be in April

Here is a small video of what went down last year I'm the dude in the Blue Max dancin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIznScI3zH0

twistedlanes
02-20-2007, 01:10 PM
so we are looking for any and all car performance shops, audio shops, etc. to sponsor the show. By this we mean offer a prize or something of the sort in return for free advertisement of your company or product or service. etc.

The show is free it's held by CCP and the students in the Auto tech Program so we need any help we can get.

twistedlanes
02-20-2007, 02:41 PM
c'mon I know someone can help. Even you guys trying to start that Temple club. Anyone can send me a Pm

twistedlanes
02-20-2007, 03:36 PM
:bump::bump:

twistedlanes
02-20-2007, 06:01 PM
:bump:

twistedlanes
02-21-2007, 12:30 AM
:bump:
:bump:

twistedlanes
02-22-2007, 02:30 AM
here is a first draft of the flyer I am coming up with. it's very unpolished but it's an Idea of what I'm working on.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u175/Twistedlanes/Publication1-2.jpg

CleanNeon98
02-22-2007, 01:15 PM
Il go. Its gona be spring break, and my that time I should already have the rims on, and hopefully sometihng else that ive worked out with a member here. If you need information on my car or anything like that, shoot me a PM

EDIT: mods should move this to Upcoming Events.

twistedlanes
02-22-2007, 02:47 PM
Hey man I appreciate it! and anyone else who you could persuade to come. just e-mail the address on the flyer with the specs and your info and we can get back to you. Oh yeah space isn't limited it just says that so ppl will contact us quicker.

DropTopChevy
02-22-2007, 03:16 PM
Ill attend and ill see if i can get some people to come

twistedlanes
02-22-2007, 03:23 PM
Thanx!

twistedlanes
03-07-2007, 01:42 PM
Okay guys so the date for the show has been confirmed, it's April 19th with a rain date of the 20th. We are still looking for anyone we can get to come help us out. You can either be in the show or help us with some sponsor or giveaways or something like that. Also if you are in either the Philly or Delaware County area and would like a flyer for a local shop or something to see or post up just Pm me and I'll see If I can get some to you. If you are interested in being in the show the e-mail address to register is autotechshow@yahoocom

Thanx guys I hope to here from someone soon.

twistedlanes
03-08-2007, 01:03 AM
Uuumm... oh yeah free beer!












NOT! but someone think about it.

CleanNeon98
03-09-2007, 01:42 AM
Looks like my car will be stock by then...selling all of my stereo and wheel equiptment. I will still drag her out, or my bike if I get it by then.

twistedlanes
03-09-2007, 01:29 PM
okay, what are you selling it?

CleanNeon98
03-13-2007, 11:31 PM
okay, what are you selling it?

Just dont need the stuff...doesnt really do anything worth keeping, and I will enjoy the money more.

twistedlanes
03-13-2007, 11:37 PM
oh okay. I guess you can put it to good use elsewhere. I'm still wastin my money in this thing. for a good cause too, with this show comin up and the small things I'm doing maybe I'll win the domestic class. Lol there aren't really many that I think would even be in my class so I might have a chance.

CleanNeon98
03-14-2007, 01:04 AM
oh okay. I guess you can put it to good use elsewhere. I'm still wastin my money in this thing. for a good cause too, with this show comin up and the small things I'm doing maybe I'll win the domestic class. Lol there aren't really many that I think would even be in my class so I might have a chance.

Yea there is no chance im gona win anything, but it should still be fun...hopefuly I can get all my little scraches out by then have it nice nad shiny, and get the "most minty honda civic 7thgen stock car of the CCP auto show" award.

twistedlanes
03-14-2007, 01:21 PM
^^ haha yea'll we'll have to create that one just for you.

twistedlanes
03-29-2007, 12:20 PM
bump because its getting closer and we need more ppl to sign up.

Silverfc88
03-29-2007, 04:34 PM
What time does it start?

twistedlanes
03-31-2007, 12:55 AM
depending on whether your putting your car in or not, noon for spectators, and 10 ish for participants.

twistedlanes
04-01-2007, 06:25 PM
getting closer.

CleanNeon98
04-02-2007, 09:01 AM
If my rims dont sell by the show, I will throw them on for the day

twistedlanes
04-02-2007, 11:43 AM
If my rims dont sell by the show, I will throw them on for the day

sounds good. got any friends interested in coming down? we could use some more ppl.

CleanNeon98
04-02-2007, 12:05 PM
sounds good. got any friends interested in coming down? we could use some more ppl.

Il see what I can do...my friends drive buckets

CleanNeon98
04-04-2007, 09:44 AM
Bump cause this is soon and hopefully I dont have work. Should really be moved to Upcoming events.

twistedlanes
04-04-2007, 10:19 AM
Thats a good idea. Oh and Trust me buckets don't matter. I drive one and most of the cars in the show are students cars. There will be other cars though, I hear some kid has a Rolls Royce he's bringing down, some old school stuff as well, we're just trying to get as many ppl as possible.

CleanNeon98
04-04-2007, 10:34 AM
looks like i wont get best of show lol

twistedlanes
04-04-2007, 10:38 AM
haha well I'm not sure that they will be in the same class, so you might have a chance, especially if it's clean that 'll score you some points.

CleanNeon98
04-04-2007, 10:52 AM
oh its clean...just gotta get rid of the damn water spots on my polished lip

twistedlanes
04-04-2007, 08:23 PM
oh its clean...just gotta get rid of the damn water spots on my polished lip

I just got a couple more ppl with bikes to sign up so we actually might have to add that category this year.

CleanNeon98
04-04-2007, 08:33 PM
What was the prize last year??

twistedlanes
04-04-2007, 08:35 PM
ummm.... a VW pen.

CleanNeon98
04-04-2007, 08:46 PM
ummm.... a VW pen.

LMAO! sounds like it wont even balance out with the gas im using to get there lol. Would be cool if there was a plaque or something involved.

CleanNeon98
04-04-2007, 09:33 PM
BTW, what TIME is this cause the flyer says nothing of it

twistedlanes
04-05-2007, 06:04 AM
HAHA J/K last year was the first year so we had only a few prizes. I think the first was like a Mothers or Meguiar's gift basket with detailing supplies and stuff like that. This year we actually have trophies and we have different classes for them. oh and the show starts at twelve and roll in in is 11:00 basically though the earlier is better because you'll get to choose your spot.

twistedlanes
04-05-2007, 10:09 AM
:bump:

CleanNeon98
04-05-2007, 11:23 AM
Hopefully those mother****ers at walgreens dont give me that day to work...il be ever-so-pissed.

twistedlanes
04-05-2007, 11:42 AM
you can't take off? I got like a month of days off for different shows.

CleanNeon98
04-05-2007, 05:14 PM
you can't take off? I got like a month of days off for different shows.

I have off on the 17th, and will request off for the 21st (picnic), so me and my civic will be at CCP in full effect. Whats your name so I know who to look for? Or what car

Rush
04-05-2007, 10:23 PM
So. I just found out about this, even though I go to CCP's main campus. I miss all the good stuff!

Anyhoo, there's no way in hell I'm participating in the show -- my car will still be winterized, and I won't embarrass myself by entering with my steel wheels and without any carbon fiber, LOL.

But I'll prolly show up and take a look around. :) .. It IS on the 17th at noon, right?

CleanNeon98
04-05-2007, 10:24 PM
So. I just found out about this, even though I go to CCP's main campus. I miss all the good stuff!

Anyhoo, there's no way in hell I'm participating in the show -- my car will still be winterized, and I won't embarrass myself by entering with my steel wheels and without any carbon fiber, LOL.

But I'll prolly show up and take a look around. :) .. It IS on the 17th at noon, right?

yep...you can cheer me on!!! and help me steal people's trophies..we can split 50/50

twistedlanes
04-05-2007, 11:39 PM
Sorry guys that flyer is two months old. It did say it was the first draft but I apologize for not updating it. The show is on Thursday the 19th at noon at 48th and Market st. if this will be a problem because you already scheduled off it's okay just please let me know and I apologize for that again.

As for being at Main campus and not knowing I'm sorry about that, my guys were supposed to post flyers, but I guess they didn't make it down there. I will have to personally take them down there tommorrow after class and get some down there then. I do know that they are at the Northeast campus and the northwest campus because I put those up myself also there will be a mass e-mail sent to the school letting everyone who checks there e-mail know about the show.

Rush if that is your car as your avatar please bring that thing, even if you don't want to put it in the show. I don't know why you would'nt because most of the cars are going to be students' cars in the show, but hey it's up to you. I know my pOS is going to be in the show oh and tell your friends.

twistedlanes
04-05-2007, 11:40 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u175/Twistedlanes/Publication1-2.jpg

I am putting it here for those of you who didn't see it on the first page.

note: There will be three prizes in three different categories.

CleanNeon98
04-06-2007, 12:12 AM
sheet i hope i have off on the 19th now lol

twistedlanes
04-06-2007, 12:17 AM
yeah me too cuz if not thats a car down. oh yeah I will be in the blue Cavalier, and it will probably look like this, unless I get my new wheels on.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u175/Twistedlanes/DSCF0653.jpg

Rush
04-06-2007, 12:17 AM
Aaah, so it's the 19th. I'm fine either way, as long as it's either Tuesday or Thursday -- both are free and clear for me.

And yeah, that is my car in my avatar. BUT it's winterized right now. Still, despite the random 70 degree days. That means no carbon fiber and no rims. It looks like ****, basically, haha. I'll be driving it there (obviously, it's the only car I own!), and if people wanna look, they can feel free -- but there's no point in entering when my MSP currently looks like crap. Not to mention that I have more engine bay goodies that're gonna be going in -- so the bay doesn't even look nice. Too bad the show couldn't have waited another couple months!

twistedlanes
04-06-2007, 12:19 AM
well you see my car now so you tell me whether you should be in the show or not. Lol I'm just in it though because I helped organize it.

twistedlanes
04-06-2007, 12:19 AM
oh and when you say no carbon fiber you mean you took the hood off also?

CleanNeon98
04-06-2007, 12:21 AM
you really gotta clean that thing up lol...let me hit it with my tools for a few hours

Rush
04-06-2007, 12:24 AM
oh and when you say no carbon fiber you mean you took the hood off also?
The hood and the grill are still in storage, yep. The stock hood and the stock front grill with the retarded 'Flying M' Mazda logo are on. I still have on the carbon fiber eyelids, sideview mirrors, trunk trim piece, and license plate surround .. but obviously, the whole effect is lost without the hood and grill combo'.

Eh, soon enough.

twistedlanes
04-06-2007, 12:28 AM
you really gotta clean that thing up lol...let me hit it with my tools for a few hours

Oh I am it's just the paint that looks bad, my engine bay is almost lickable and my wheels are coming next week from a friend they might be on by the show I'm not sure though. Also my jaguar interior will be done by the summer Lol. Paint will be last because I wanna do some bodywork, shaving smoothing etc., and I don't like to ride around with primer like some guys do. So sounds are just about finished, interior almost, exterior summer.

twistedlanes
04-06-2007, 12:29 AM
The hood and the grill are still in storage, yep. The stock hood and the stock front grill with the retarded 'Flying M' Mazda logo are on. I still have on the carbon fiber eyelids, sideview mirrors, trunk trim piece, and license plate surround .. but obviously, the whole effect is lost without the hood and grill combo'.

Eh, soon enough.

Thats cool man your the first one I've heard of whos done that, the most I've heard of were the wheels and ppl still get lazy and don't do that.

CleanNeon98
04-06-2007, 12:55 AM
Thats cool man your the first one I've heard of whos done that, the most I've heard of were the wheels and ppl still get lazy and don't do that.

Actually, her name is Cindy, and shes really cute, so not a man by ANY means.

twistedlanes
04-06-2007, 01:09 AM
Actually, her name is Cindy, and shes really cute, so not a man by ANY means.

I was using man as a general term but if it is a girl and she got offended I apologize. She should definitely come to the show then. Lol

twistedlanes
04-06-2007, 01:11 AM
kinda like this: "Man! your the first person I've ever heard do that before!"

just in case you didn't understand what I meant. Lol

CleanNeon98
04-06-2007, 01:16 AM
I was using man as a general term but if it is a girl and she got offended I apologize. She should definitely come to the show then. Lol

kinda like this: "Man! your the first person I've ever heard do that before!"

just in case you didn't understand what I meant. Lol

I understood lol...just wanted to say she was cute..ugh i gotta stop for my own good

Buster
04-06-2007, 01:25 AM
I understood lol...just wanted to say she was cute..ugh i gotta stop for my own good

yeah really...

CleanNeon98
04-06-2007, 10:31 AM
OK I have off on the 19th as well, and the 17th and 18th so il be there, and use the 2 days to prep the car.

Kerplunk105
04-06-2007, 10:57 AM
Do you have an exact address for the show location? I have off Thursday afternoons, so I may come down.

twistedlanes
04-06-2007, 02:58 PM
OK I have off on the 19th as well, and the 17th and 18th so il be there, and use the 2 days to prep the car.

Oh okay, for your own good huh. Lol here you go guys. For some reason our school isn't on mapquest but the Toyota Dealership is right down the street from us so I'll use that as the reference point.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=9GJVfSOGTAsaO9hiCMXYFQ%3d%3d&longitude=FNlVPqpV4z4x0wHtkmIPaA%3d%3d&name=Central%20City%20Toyota&country=US&address=4800%20Chestnut%20St&city=Philadelphia&state=PA&zipcode=19139&phone=215%2d476%2d1200&spurl=0&&q=commmunity%20college%20of%20Philadelphia&qc=%28All%29%20Auto%20Dealers

CleanNeon98
04-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Oh okay, for your own good huh. Lol here you go guys. For some reason our school isn't on mapquest but the Toyota Dealership is right down the street from us so I'll use that as the reference point.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=9GJVfSOGTAsaO9hiCMXYFQ%3d%3d&longitude=FNlVPqpV4z4x0wHtkmIPaA%3d%3d&name=Central%20City%20Toyota&country=US&address=4800%20Chestnut%20St&city=Philadelphia&state=PA&zipcode=19139&phone=215%2d476%2d1200&spurl=0&&q=commmunity%20college%20of%20Philadelphia&qc=%28All%29%20Auto%20Dealers

so 48th adn market or walnut? pm me your number im gona get lost and I know it

Rush
04-06-2007, 10:26 PM
Okay, so now I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to make it.

Turns out I SHOULD have my carbon fiber and wheels back on by Thursday. My dad and I are planning on doing the swap early Easter morning. So that's good.

Buuuuut .. due to my work schedule and the end of semester crunch starting, I only have so many days free per week now. I NEED to get my new brake setup put on my car, and while my car's in the shop, I'm also gonna try to have it inspected -- I can't afford to be without a car for two days, I'm just way too busy.

So since the only day I have free this week is Thursday .. I kinda didn't have much choice. I'll be dropping my car off at the shop at 7:30am, so just keep your fingers crossed that the brake work and inspection will be done by noon-ish.

CleanNeon98
04-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Okay, so now I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to make it.

Turns out I SHOULD have my carbon fiber and wheels back on by Thursday. My dad and I are planning on doing the swap early Easter morning. So that's good.

Buuuuut .. due to my work schedule and the end of semester crunch starting, I only have so many days free per week now. I NEED to get my new brake setup put on my car, and while my car's in the shop, I'm also gonna try to have it inspected -- I can't afford to be without a car for two days, I'm just way too busy.

So since the only day I have free this week is Thursday .. I kinda didn't have much choice. I'll be dropping my car off at the shop at 7:30am, so just keep your fingers crossed that the brake work and inspection will be done by noon-ish.

uh oh...there goes my chance at placing in anytihng lol..let me know if ur coming if you are i wont bother slaving over washing the car

twistedlanes
04-07-2007, 08:04 AM
uh oh...there goes my chance at placing in anytihng lol..let me know if ur coming if you are i wont bother slaving over washing the car


Oh I guess you saw her myspace huh? Lol but anyway you don't have to rush( hahaha no pun was supposed to be there) if you don't want to because if you aren't going to be in the show then you can come up anytime to check out the cars we have. but good luck on that job anyway and I hope to see both of here with CLEAN cars. pm'ed my number to you Alex.

CleanNeon98
04-07-2007, 10:02 PM
Oh I guess you saw her myspace huh? Lol but anyway you don't have to rush( hahaha no pun was supposed to be there) if you don't want to because if you aren't going to be in the show then you can come up anytime to check out the cars we have. but good luck on that job anyway and I hope to see both of here with CLEAN cars. pm'ed my number to you Alex.

im just praying to the honda gods (im such a ricer:cry: ) that it doenst rain that day and the 2 before so I can have the honder ready in full blast!

twistedlanes
04-08-2007, 12:47 AM
im just praying to the honda gods (im such a ricer:cry: ) that it doenst rain that day and the 2 before so I can have the honder ready in full blast!

At this point I'm praying to the Chevy Gods that I can get my Sh** back running again so I don't have to take Septa to the show.

CleanNeon98
04-09-2007, 07:27 AM
At this point I'm praying to the Chevy Gods that I can get my Sh** back running again so I don't have to take Septa to the show.

Looks hopeless. 17th and 18th its gona rain, and if my car isnt prepped for the show, its not coming out. Definately not bringin her out with waterspots, and even if I do wash her the same morning and it somehow doesnt rain, its gona get royally ****ed up on I95 coming there. Chances of me coming are slimmer and slimmer by the day, but ya never kno. ****in walgreens I cant even make the rain date...or maybe I can well see

twistedlanes
04-09-2007, 02:52 PM
alright I'm back on, my car is running but I don't think I'll be able to afford putting my wheels on. I spent all weekend fixing my car and its ready to go. F**k the rain come on out and have fun.

CleanNeon98
04-09-2007, 02:54 PM
alright I'm back on, my car is running but I don't think I'll be able to afford putting my wheels on. I spent all weekend fixing my car and its ready to go. F**k the rain come on out and have fun.

yea but WTF am i gona win with a car with dirt and water spots on it lol..i wont even have time to detail the engine bay and so forth so il have to leave the hood closed...

DropTopChevy
04-09-2007, 04:02 PM
I'm telling people here at campus so hopefully we can get some temple students to come to the show

twistedlanes
04-09-2007, 05:36 PM
I'm telling people here at campus so hopefully we can get some temple students to come to the show

yeah thanks!. there is still time for them to register if they want I'm always down there so I know there are some nice cars there.

twistedlanes
04-09-2007, 11:03 PM
:bump: :mrgreen:

twistedlanes
04-12-2007, 12:19 AM
Exactly one week from today.

Rush
04-12-2007, 11:28 AM
.. Wait, the show is in one week??

Jesus on a spoon, for whatever reason, my brain was processing the date as TODAY this entire time!

Or wait, was it originally today, and got rained out? Now I'm just massively confused, haha.

Well now, hopefully, I'll be good to go and show and all that stuff -- if it's next Thursday. My engine bay will still be fugly, but at least the cosmetic stuff should be all good by then. :)

CleanNeon98
04-12-2007, 12:52 PM
yep its NEXT thursday...weather is looking like ass though.

twistedlanes
04-12-2007, 02:29 PM
It's next Thursday and so far they are saying that it will be cloudy and cool. I guess the good thing is that my car is already there. Lol if they let me keep it there that long.

tjf
04-12-2007, 03:46 PM
oh noes! i forgot about this again...lol

CleanNeon98
04-12-2007, 03:59 PM
It's next Thursday and so far they are saying that it will be cloudy and cool. I guess the good thing is that my car is already there. Lol if they let me keep it there that long.

yea but the day before i wont have time to prepare my rice for the show

tjf
04-12-2007, 04:32 PM
yea but the day before i wont have time to prepare my rice for the show

dude uncle bens rice cooks in 1 min its not that hard bro

twistedlanes
04-12-2007, 04:54 PM
^^wow

CleanNeon98
04-15-2007, 01:00 AM
thursday says showers and 52...i cant make the rain date because of work, so thats that. Unless the weather shapes up, I will be home..studying

twistedlanes
04-16-2007, 09:10 AM
Bump for three days from now

twistedlanes
04-16-2007, 09:11 AM
Thursday, Apr 19
High: 52 °F RealFeel®: 46 °F
Clouds and intervals of sunshine

twistedlanes
04-17-2007, 01:23 PM
Two days

twistedlanes
04-17-2007, 02:48 PM
:bump:

twistedlanes
04-17-2007, 11:47 PM
:bump:

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 08:59 AM
still not sure aboput today because of the weather but I will keep ppl updated

DropTopChevy
04-19-2007, 11:08 AM
Bump cause im trying to see if i should hop on the subway now...

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 11:11 AM
nah cuz you should come back tommorrow

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 11:12 AM
sorry about that I forgot all about that. I just got here myself but they are all afraid of rain so we will have it at the same time tommorrow.

DropTopChevy
04-19-2007, 11:18 AM
sorry about that I forgot all about that. I just got here myself but they are all afraid of rain so we will have it at the same time tommorrow.

I might not be able to come tomorrow cause i have my studio class tomorrow :(

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 11:27 AM
It's cool man, if you have any time though it's from 12-4 so if your in the area stop on by.

CleanNeon98
04-19-2007, 11:51 AM
It's cool man, if you have any time though it's from 12-4 so if your in the area stop on by.

earliest id be able to get there with my dirty dirty civic would be 3:50 lol

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 11:52 AM
whatever, come on down

CleanNeon98
04-19-2007, 11:55 AM
whatever, come on down

if it ends at 4, whats the point of me coming for 10 minutes lol...if you guys hold a show in the summr il be down

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 11:57 AM
probably not, but I was playin. you doing the bbq on saturday?

CleanNeon98
04-19-2007, 01:00 PM
probably not, but I was playin. you doing the bbq on saturday?

wanted to, but ****ers scheduled me for work :mad:

DropTopChevy
04-19-2007, 01:03 PM
It's cool man, if you have any time though it's from 12-4 so if your in the area stop on by.

Ill be in the area but ill most likely be still building a model or doing my digital work for tomorrow i kinda pushed it back a bit so i could go to this but we shall see if i can get some free time. Also have a teacher conference back here at main at 2 so... Whats like the fastest way to 48th and market? subway and then market line?

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 02:36 PM
Ill be in the area but ill most likely be still building a model or doing my digital work for tomorrow i kinda pushed it back a bit so i could go to this but we shall see if i can get some free time. Also have a teacher conference back here at main at 2 so... Whats like the fastest way to 48th and market? subway and then market line?

It is if your on foot.

DropTopChevy
04-19-2007, 02:48 PM
It is if your on foot.

Bicycle :lol:

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 02:49 PM
Bicycle :lol:

hahaha well go through the parkway then. :rofl:

twistedlanes
04-19-2007, 11:54 PM
lets go guys ccp car show tommorrow at noon.

twistedlanes
04-20-2007, 10:58 AM
Okay this is it. The car show is happening now. Today right, now cars are rolling in and the show will start at noon.

DropTopChevy
04-20-2007, 11:00 AM
Ill be there by noon :thumbup: look for the kid on a blue bike with pegs :lol:

twistedlanes
04-20-2007, 11:07 AM
hahaha okay

DropTopChevy
04-20-2007, 01:35 PM
Pretty good show. Some DSM's a rolls royce, a couple VW powered vehicles.

Rush
04-20-2007, 03:44 PM
Sorry I couldn't make it .. I was in class from 11am till 3pm, and I got home 'bout ten minutes ago. And I gotta be into work at 4pm, so .. yeah. Bleh.

twistedlanes
04-20-2007, 06:35 PM
Damn good show! I took a lot of pictures, we had an exhaust sound off, a few exiting burnouts, nothing major though. Lets see this is the rundown, The rx8 won best Import, the Rolls Royce won Best of Show and a very clean Cadillac won best Domestic. I will post pictures as soon as I get done editing them. hey miller thanks for stopping by, and Alex sorry you couldn't make it man we were leaving as you were heading up here and I didn't want you to come for nothing I appreciate the effort though.