Help me pick

[CleanNeon98]

Alright so im gona have $275 bux soon to spend on the car. I am deciding between the 2 options. The clutch can kinda wait cause mine is still ok, but wanted some opinions.

[whitezenki]

if you buy the springs alone, somewhere down the road your struts will blow, prolly sooner than later.. and your clutch will go and you'll have twice as much **** to buy... get the clutch fixed and you wont have taken any shortcuts anywhere, and your car wont have any problems guaranteed to occur down the road

[CleanNeon98]

if you buy the springs alone, somewhere down the road your struts will blow, prolly sooner than later.. and your clutch will go and you'll have twice as much **** to buy... get the clutch fixed and you wont have taken any shortcuts anywhere, and your car wont have any problems guaranteed to occur down the road

that or since mine should still last for a good while, il save up and possibly get the stage 1 ACT kit and fridanza light flywheel combo. Seeing as my parents are anal about this whole deal, it will be best. I talked to them, and when they found out that the sport kit is only like 150 dollars more, they didnt mind considering its gona last a longer period of time (put it in, and dont worry about it)...also, if im thinking right, the light flywheel is gona give me better MPG a little bit, so for like 160 you cant go wrong with performance and economy.

as far as the suspention, when mine is in need of replacement, I will go for the tokico blues and sportline springs. seeing as i will be "replacing because the other stuff is bad" thety wont care either. it sucks living in a household where parents are narrowminded and dont care to learn.


For the stage 1 clutchmasters clutch kit and fridanza light flywheel (7lbs) its gona cost me 400 for parts, and 300 for labor, unless I can get a hand from someone to do it myself.

[CleanNeon98]

Here are the items I am looking at


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Clutch-Masters-Honda-Civic-1-7-L-2001-02-Stage-1_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33730QQihZ019QQitemZ8 026479119QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fidanza-Aluminum-Flywheel-Honda-Civic-Fits-1992-2001_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33732QQihZ005QQite mZ150050697302QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

The flywheel retails fo 227 on another site.

Here are the springs

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Neuspeed-Lowering-Springs-2001-2005-Honda-Civic-4-door_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33630QQihZ016QQite mZ260080831709QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[james_ls]

gett off e-bay.

piece of **** site.

[Omar_MSP]

i would drop it and save up later for the clutch.

see www.superhonda.com for one of the biggest honda communities avaliable. they should pin point some more goodies that are worth $275

edit: ebay isn't the greatest site to be buying carparts. maybe just for lurking.

[ketchup!]

save up for a quality suspension setup, you wont regret it

[whitezenki]

if your clutch is slipping at all, odds are its gonna go sooner rather than later... better off to replace an almost dead clutch than to wait till it dies, then add fifty dollars on top of your bill to tow it from where ever you were driving... if its slipping, replace it, dont empty your bank acct. on something else with the hopes it will last until you can refill your funds

[CleanNeon98]

gett off e-bay.

piece of **** site.
how so
i would drop it and save up later for the clutch.

see www.superhonda.com for one of the biggest honda communities avaliable. they should pin point some more goodies that are worth $275

edit: ebay isn't the greatest site to be buying carparts. maybe just for lurking.
i was already on superhonda and really didnt like the people
save up for a quality suspension setup, you wont regret it
i know, but i might regret when my clutch goes out
if your clutch is slipping at all, odds are its gonna go sooner rather than later... better off to replace an almost dead clutch than to wait till it dies, then add fifty dollars on top of your bill to tow it from where ever you were driving... if its slipping, replace it, dont empty your bank acct. on something else with the hopes it will last until you can refill your funds
true

[MPowerKai]

save it for a rainy day?

[CleanNeon98]

save it for a rainy day?

I have about 3k in a seperate account that I dont touch...thats for a rainy day (car stolen, accident, help out parents in case one loses a job, etc.)

Im going to pocket another 75 dollars in about an hour some guy is coming to buy my 13in steelies that have snow tires on them, so that should also help me out.

[Metalhedd]

clutch ftw

[CleanNeon98]

clutch ftw

exedy OEM-$100
-or-
clutchmaster stage 1-$250


Flywheels:

Exedy OEM (resurfaced)-$40?
-or-
Fridanza(sp?) light 7lb 2 piece-$160

[ketchup!]

just buy a exedy stage 1 clutch and get ur oem one resurfaced

[CleanNeon98]

just buy a exedy stage 1 clutch and get ur oem one resurfaced

Any reason you give that advice? I figured, while im in there, might as well upgrade the flywheel too. Cant hurt, and when im spending that much money on the clutch and install and stuff, another 160 wont be a big deal

[turbo4g63]

whatever you do...do not buy your suspension or clutch off of ebay...ever. that would be the worst thing you could do. you are better off just saving your money for future investment in a quality item from a quality dealer/shop, rather that an ebay item

[TurboTagTeam]

just buy a exedy stage 1 clutch and get ur oem one resurfaced

A lightweight flywheel is only gonna benefit you if you are racing. It allows the engine to rev more quickly making it easier to heel/toe and or rev match. For a normal street car it's not worth the extra money.

You are looking at around 1000$ for a clutch/pressure plate and install. A set of springs is significantly cheaper. and you WILL blow your stock shocks if you dump the car. OEM honda shocks suck when paired with lowering springs.

[CleanNeon98]

A lightweight flywheel is only gonna benefit you if you are racing. It allows the engine to rev more quickly making it easier to heel/toe and or rev match. For a normal street car it's not worth the extra money.

You are looking at around 1000$ for a clutch/pressure plate and install. A set of springs is significantly cheaper. and you WILL blow your stock shocks if you dump the car. OEM honda shocks suck when paired with lowering springs.

il take your advice since you are honda experienced. I will be doing the install asa DIY with some help from a member here, so help me pick a combo from here

http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=showproducts&id=32

[ketchup!]

A lightweight flywheel is only gonna benefit you if you are racing. It allows the engine to rev more quickly making it easier to heel/toe and or rev match. For a normal street car it's not worth the extra money.

You are looking at around 1000$ for a clutch/pressure plate and install. A set of springs is significantly cheaper. and you WILL blow your stock shocks if you dump the car. OEM honda shocks suck when paired with lowering springs.

yep turbo tag team is right, the only reason to get a lightweight flywheel is if u have a really good n/a engine. Most turbo guys even go oem flywheels or if not oem they go with just a little lighter flywheel. Thats what im doing with my turbo setup

[TurboTagTeam]

Honesty, If I were you, I'd just pay someone to do it. Replacing a clutch is not an easy job for the inexperienced. It is very easy to mess it up. If the flywheel is not torqued on correctly or if the clutch is not alighned correctly you will have to spend more money to replace the clutch that you toasted.

Also, It is a major PITA to do a clutch job without a lift.

[CleanNeon98]

Honesty, If I were you, I'd just pay someone to do it. Replacing a clutch is not an easy job for the inexperienced. It is very easy to mess it up. If the flywheel is not torqued on correctly or if the clutch is not alighned correctly you will have to spend more money to replace the clutch that you toasted.

Also, It is a major PITA to do a clutch job without a lift.

This guy has experience with hondas for a while though...plus as i am aware, the kits come with an alignment fork

[ketchup!]

if this guy doesnt come through for you i suggest you go to www.psiproformance.com dave really knows his ****

[CleanNeon98]

if this guy doesnt come through for you i suggest you go to www.psiproformance.com dave really knows his ****
well il be meeting this guy on tuesday for a junkyard run, so il chat with him there about certain things

P.S. my car puts down a whopping 97WHP

[CleanNeon98]

I am thinking of working the exhaust in the summer. I found a great header+cat+sim-box combo, and an exhaust that performs well, and looks OEM and isnt excessively loud...these are the parts im lookin at


http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=productdetail&id=121
Header

http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=productdetail&id=27
Exhaust
-or-
http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=productdetail&id=420

[CleanNeon98]

any opinions?

[ketchup!]

turbo it first

[dt98gsr]

You should keep saving your money and go with some nicer parts IMO.

[ketchup!]

You should keep saving your money and go with some nicer parts IMO.

agreed

[CleanNeon98]

You should keep saving your money and go with some nicer parts IMO.

versus those exhaust parts? the headers provide the biggest gains for my car, and the exhaust has the cleanest sound and look.

[CleanNeon98]

turbo it first

Turbo kit for my car is 2k, plus I would need a new exhaust, new clutch, id need to make a fuel return system, tuning. In the end, it would come out to be somewhere in the $4,000 ballpark area, and its just not worth it to me....not even that its not worth it, but I feel that its too much money to spend on a car that cost me 6500, and has a private party value of 6970 (i got the car fro 6500 from a dealership with a warranty and I think it was a great deal). That 4k could be put away for school, down payment on my next car, etc. Besides, this is my DD, and knowing the way I drive, with boost, it wouldnt be long before parts would start breaking on it. I think if I get this clutch deal out of the way, free up some power with the exhaust, and then get to work with sway bars, stiffer suspention, strut bars, bushings, etc. I think that would actually be the best way to go seeing as I like to have fun driving, and that does it for me. In the end, It would cost me about 2k for the suspention, and around 1k for the clutch header cat exhaust combo, and I wont be replacing parts left and right because I blew them up with boost.

[92dxman]

I think your best bet would be to work on the sway bars and bushings. Do that and put some $$ away for a set of Koni yellows. I wouldn't mess with any springs. The 7th gen Civics don't seem to respond too well to engine mods and doing the headers,intake,exhaust combo wouldn't gain alot of gains with the money you would be forking out for it. The factory exhaust is pretty well tuned as is.

[dt98gsr]

versus those exhaust parts? the headers provide the biggest gains for my car, and the exhaust has the cleanest sound and look.

Ok I take that back, I would avoid that header. No offense but it looks like a no name POS. But both of the exhausts you have linked on the other hand are nice exhausts.

My vote is to save for a new exhaust, you can't really go wrong with either one. Personally I like the Ex-mag for your car, but then agan I'm looking to trade my Greddy Evo II for a WS2 for my car.

[ketchup!]

Turbo kit for my car is 2k, plus I would need a new exhaust, new clutch, id need to make a fuel return system, tuning. In the end, it would come out to be somewhere in the $4,000 ballpark area, and its just not worth it to me....not even that its not worth it, but I feel that its too much money to spend on a car that cost me 6500, and has a private party value of 6970 (i got the car fro 6500 from a dealership with a warranty and I think it was a great deal). That 4k could be put away for school, down payment on my next car, etc. Besides, this is my DD, and knowing the way I drive, with boost, it wouldnt be long before parts would start breaking on it. I think if I get this clutch deal out of the way, free up some power with the exhaust, and then get to work with sway bars, stiffer suspention, strut bars, bushings, etc. I think that would actually be the best way to go seeing as I like to have fun driving, and that does it for me. In the end, It would cost me about 2k for the suspention, and around 1k for the clutch header cat exhaust combo, and I wont be replacing parts left and right because I blew them up with boost.


welll my only answer is that you have to pay to play, my turbo kit is going to be costing around 2500 tuned, aand just for ur information a header and exhaust is not going to give you any gains

[CleanNeon98]

I think your best bet would be to work on the sway bars and bushings. Do that and put some $$ away for a set of Koni yellows. I wouldn't mess with any springs. The 7th gen Civics don't seem to respond too well to engine mods and doing the headers,intake,exhaust combo wouldn't gain alot of gains with the money you would be forking out for it. The factory exhaust is pretty well tuned as is.

Yea. Those seem to be the cheapest. Rear sway with adapter would cost me like 300, front would be 200, bushings im not sure, so yea. Why only struts not springs..and konis have some fitment issues with my car or some crap. Tokico ones seem to be the most used and well rated by many people.

P.S. my car doesnt have ANY rear sway, so that should help...the front is a 25.4, and the one from B&G ios a 26, so i dont think its needed to do the front

[CleanNeon98]

Alright, as far as the sway bars. Just did some reading, and found a step-by-step install process for the Progress sway/bracket. As I understand, the bracket also works as a rear tie bar. Here is what we are lookin at.

http://www.civicforums.com/forums/119-suspension/155458-progress-rear-sway-bar-mounting-kit.html

http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=productdetail&id=107
Rear sway

http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=productdetail&id=115
Rear Adapter

Opinions?

[TurboTagTeam]

Let me set it straight for ya.

1. You don't need an aftermarket clutch. Your car is never gonna make enough power to outperform the stock clutch.

2. You can't just add a beefy rear sway/tie combo and expect good handling with stock spring/shocks.

3. You can add a front sway to your car. Yes it does have one, but it's as skinny as a pensil. Sway bars are measured by their thickness, not length.

4. An exhaust/header is not going to give you a noticable gain. It's a huge waste of money

IMHO you need to stop thinking "performance" about your car. It's pretty much the worst car you could ever try to make fast or handle well. It's underpowered, heavy, and there is hardley any aftermarket support for it.

Just chill, stop spending money on the car and buy a 1000 hamburgers from Burker King. Cause that makes more sence than trying to make your car fast.

[dt98gsr]

Let me set it straight for ya.

1. You don't need an aftermarket clutch. Your car is never gonna make enough power to outperform the stock clutch.

2. You can't just add a beefy rear sway/tie combo and expect good handling with stock spring/shocks.

3. You can add a front sway to your car. Yes it does have one, but it's as skinny as a pensil. Sway bars are measured by their thickness, not length.

4. An exhaust/header is not going to give you a noticable gain. It's a huge waste of money

IMHO you need to stop thinking "performance" about your car. It's pretty much the worst car you could ever try to make fast or handle well. It's underpowered, heavy, and there is hardley any aftermarket support for it.

Just chill, stop spending money on the car and buy a 1000 hamburgers from Burker King. Cause that makes more sence than trying to make your car fast.

1. I agree with. Unless you do some major motor work in order to justify it.

2. I also agree with. Do new struts/springs or coilovers before you upgrade your rear sway bar.

3. Like he said his front sway bar is less then 2mm thicker than most aftermarket front sway bars. This is the case with most Hondas.

4. I don't think he'll get huge gains from an exhaust or header (I think we all know that). But for his car it may be one of the wiser routes to take. It's affordable and will be an improvement nonetheless.

And saying "there is hardly any aftermarket support" for a civic is absolutely insane. I didn;t say it was the best car to mod, or by any means a fast car but c'mon there has to be more aftermarket parts available for civics then any other car in the world (maybe cause its a 4dr there is a slightly smaller selection).

[Sberk06]

check for some sprint springs or something maybe a little better for like 150-200.. put them in your closet and wait til you have shocks.. that way you have part of your suspension without having to worry about blowing the money.. then buy some shocks and camber and install in the spring.

[Sberk06]

as a matter of fact i think a buddy of mine might have a turbo setup he is trying to get rid of for like 300ish off his old 91 civic.. most of it should work on your car i tihnk?

[CleanNeon98]

Let me set it straight for ya.

1. You don't need an aftermarket clutch. Your car is never gonna make enough power to outperform the stock clutch.

2. You can't just add a beefy rear sway/tie combo and expect good handling with stock spring/shocks.

3. You can add a front sway to your car. Yes it does have one, but it's as skinny as a pensil. Sway bars are measured by their thickness, not length.

4. An exhaust/header is not going to give you a noticable gain. It's a huge waste of money

IMHO you need to stop thinking "performance" about your car. It's pretty much the worst car you could ever try to make fast or handle well. It's underpowered, heavy, and there is hardley any aftermarket support for it.

Just chill, stop spending money on the car and buy a 1000 hamburgers from Burker King. Cause that makes more sence than trying to make your car fast.
front sway bar is 25.4....i looked today and its really beefy, then i found the measurements online

As far as the rear, I will install a 20mm one, I hear they make a world of difference alone. Then tires, then strut/spring work.

[CleanNeon98]

as a matter of fact i think a buddy of mine might have a turbo setup he is trying to get rid of for like 300ish off his old 91 civic.. most of it should work on your car i tihnk?

I dont think so. manifold, pipe measures different, etc.

[TurboTagTeam]

You cant just install a beefy rear sway bay with stock suspension. The bar will rip out of the subframe at the mounting points. THat is why most of the better bars come with a reinforcement bar/tie bar. Also having a beefy rear sway is kinda dangerous on stock suspension. You will get uncontrolable oversteer.

It's in your best interest to upgrade the suspension first(shocks/springs)

[CleanNeon98]

You cant just install a beefy rear sway bay with stock suspension. The bar will rip out of the subframe at the mounting points. THat is why most of the better bars come with a reinforcement bar/tie bar. Also having a beefy rear sway is kinda dangerous on stock suspension. You will get uncontrolable oversteer.

It's in your best interest to upgrade the suspension first(shocks/springs)

Im thinking of going with the 19mm RSX rear sway and Progress mount kit/tie bar combo. My front bar is big enough as it is at 25.4mm. I will work with the suspention later on with springs and struts, but the 19mm bar will go well with the stock one I have, and since its an RSX oem, it will be good quality as well. The problem with the progress ones is that they are different design, and move the endlinks, breaking them. The RSX one lines up 100% and is a simple bolt-in installation.

What can I do to reduce wheelhop? I am looking for stock motor mounts that I can fill with a hard rubber type compound I heard about from AMF racing RSX (a member here on the boards)

[ketchup!]

cleanneon do you ever listen to peoples advice? a shock/spring combo will have 10x better results than a sway bar

[TurboTagTeam]

Fill your mounts with window sealant. Or get prothane inserts.

[CleanNeon98]

Fill your mounts with window sealant. Or get prothane inserts.

They dont make them for my car, thats why im planning to do it the ghetto way.

[CleanNeon98]

cleanneon do you ever listen to peoples advice? a shock/spring combo will have 10x better results than a sway bar

Probbably...but considering I have NO rear sway to start with, it will be a good improvement.