Hot Air = Teh Suck for turbos

[04 Turbo Spec]

i know u make more hp with colder air but does anyone else not feelt the pull as much with the hot air? or im just finaly getting used to the cars accelaration

befor my turbo i never realy felt like i lost this much

[SilverBulletRL]

I can definitely feel the car does not accel as fast in hot weather. My air-to-water intercooler fluid also gets much hotter in days like these.

[2point4DSM]

It is definitely noticeable on my DSM. Or least that use to be the case when I had a smaller turbo and FMIC and drove it a lot more.

I assume you have an intercooler which is compounding the feeling. Not only are you sucking in warmer air into your intake but now the IC is not as efficient. So in effect it's like your motor is sucking exponentially warmer air as the temps outside rise.

Wil

[94RedReaper]

i know u make more hp with colder air but does anyone else not feelt the pull as much with the hot air? or im just finaly getting used to the cars accelaration

befor my turbo i never realy felt like i lost this much

Were you reading my mind? I was all set to check my car out and see what the heck was going on. The heat and humidity are killing me. The humidity makes the air less dense, and that really hurts performance. Can't wait for those 90 degree & 90% humidity days. :thumbdow:

[04 Turbo Spec]

ahh what a nice cool night to drive. the car pulled nice and hard, man i love my car

[gtp power]

The hot air sucks for Superchaged cars. My car feels like it has no power when its hot out.

[MuddyREX]

Hot air sucks for all cars with forced induction.

[olmytsi]

Just cruise around on hot days and wait for the cool nights to get on it....das what i do. Yes hot air sux for the turbo but its good for cruising with the windows down, sunroof open and bov blowing off :thumbup:

[SexyDSM95]

*cough* Heatsoak *cough*

[M3_JOHN]

N/A rocks :supz:

[Buster]

im with john

[HickRocket1258]

I agree with john too, N/A aspirated rocks haha. By the way any car is slower in the summer when its hot out than in the fall, whether its N/A or turbo.

[MuddyREX]

N/A rocks :supz:

But my car goes VroomPSSSHHHHHH :banana:

[SpendOne]

*cough* Heatsoak *cough*

Its cause you have an intercooler thats half the side of a 1g sidemount. ;)

[Intercooled T]

My small intercooler keeps my car running well...


...can't wait to take the powerstroke IC outta the garage and install it soon!

[olmytsi]

BOOST will always be better than NO BOOST :finga:

[SexyDSM95]

Its cause you have an intercooler thats half the side of a 1g sidemount. ;)
Hey now....I have a core sitting in my room. Not my fault JMFabrications is not open yet!

[04 Turbo Spec]

N/A rocks :supz:

turbo still kicks any N/A car a s s but just not as bad on the hot days

[ayim01]

you have to consider in the summer we dont get that crap oxygenated gasoline. so it more than makes up for the temperature increase. its your butt dyno dying on you :P

[tort9320g]

I'm lovin my oversized water/air intercooler right about now !! :thumbup:

[tort9320g]

I'm lovin my oversized water/air intercooler right about now !! :thumbup:

[M3_JOHN]

N/A rocks :supz:

turbo still kicks any N/A car a s s but just not as bad on the hot days


Correction....a turbo on a capable car. I've raced several turbocharged cars and shrugged them off....now I know once you guys start modding and upgrading turbos and such, then its a different story....

[M3_JOHN]

N/A rocks :supz:

turbo still kicks any N/A car a s s but just not as bad on the hot days


Correction....a turbo on a capable car. I've raced several turbocharged cars and shrugged them off....now I know once you guys start modding and upgrading turbos and such, then its a different story....

[2point4DSM]

1st gen DSMs came with a nice turbo. They didn't need much to break into the 13's. Intake, exhaust and tuning. A little bit more and they were in the 12's. Definitely didn't need a bigger turbo.

Evos and STIs can beat M3's just by turning up the boost. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Wil
:wiggle:

[2point4DSM]

1st gen DSMs came with a nice turbo. They didn't need much to break into the 13's. Intake, exhaust and tuning. A little bit more and they were in the 12's. Definitely didn't need a bigger turbo.

Evos and STIs can beat M3's just by turning up the boost. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Wil
:wiggle:

[M3_JOHN]

1st gen DSMs came with a nice turbo. They didn't need much to break into the 13's. Intake, exhaust and tuning. A little bit more and they were in the 12's. Definitely didn't need a bigger turbo.

Evos and STIs can beat M3's just by turning up the boost. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Wil

no, your right...

[M3_JOHN]

1st gen DSMs came with a nice turbo. They didn't need much to break into the 13's. Intake, exhaust and tuning. A little bit more and they were in the 12's. Definitely didn't need a bigger turbo.

Evos and STIs can beat M3's just by turning up the boost. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Wil

no, your right...

[04 Turbo Spec]

N/A rocks :supz:

turbo still kicks any N/A car a s s but just not as bad on the hot days


Correction....a turbo on a capable car. I've raced several turbocharged cars and shrugged them off....now I know once you guys start modding and upgrading turbos and such, then its a different story....


i beat an M3 before

[LSHatch]

Correction....a turbo on a capable car. I've raced several turbocharged cars and shrugged them off....now I know once you guys start modding and upgrading turbos and such, then its a different story....

What about NA cars that have run all over 2 E46's.....???


Ouch.

[M3_JOHN]

hahaha were gonna have to set something up man...you must have one freak of nature S2K.... I've beaten a comptech supercharged S2K...and i'm assuming he was putting down roughly 270-280whp....

[LSHatch]

I've beaten a comptech supercharged S2K...and i'm assuming he was putting down roughly 270-280whp....

So have I.

[M3_JOHN]

have you dyno'd your car b4?? I just don't understand this....i'm confused....and you beat these cars b4 the NO2?

[LSHatch]

Yes. Just on intake and exhaust.

I haven't raced anything on the juice.

[M3_JOHN]

lol...your a fast one...especially w/ replies :mrgreen:

[LSHatch]

I don't have crap else to do. So, I'm stuck here on the net.

[2point4DSM]

Took the car out last night for the first time in several weeks. The temps are taking a huge toll. I'm really admiring DSMs with air to water coolers right about now. Feels like the car is down to 350whp.

Wil
;)

[tort9320g]

Took the car out last night for the first time in several weeks. The temps are taking a huge toll. I'm really admiring DSMs with air to water coolers right about now. Feels like the car is down to 350whp.

Wil
;)

Wil...time to make the change :thumbup: Would like to get together sometime to show you the set-up.

Dave

[TehWagon]

hot humid air + a/c = suckie suckie.

but once you get used to it, turning off the a/c on a launch feels like nitrous! hee. :drag:

[97TSi]

Water-to-air has actually started looking pretty good to me too...

[2point4DSM]

I totally forget about the nawzz I've got sitting in the basement. That should be good for some coldness.

Wil
:supz:

[04 Turbo Spec]

i want NOS so bad but i gotta wait till i build my motor

[themadhatter]

N/A rocks :supz:

turbo still kicks any N/A car a s s but just not as bad on the hot days


Correction....a turbo on a capable car. I've raced several turbocharged cars and shrugged them off....now I know once you guys start modding and upgrading turbos and such, then its a different story....

factory turbo or worked turbo cars? I've been breaking many egos around here and the only guy that gave me a run for my money was running 22 psi on his DSM while I was only doing 8 psi (I've since gone to 14).

-Ron

[M3_JOHN]

N/A rocks :supz:

turbo still kicks any N/A car a s s but just not as bad on the hot days


Correction....a turbo on a capable car. I've raced several turbocharged cars and shrugged them off....now I know once you guys start modding and upgrading turbos and such, then its a different story....

factory turbo or worked turbo cars? I've been breaking many egos around here and the only guy that gave me a run for my money was running 22 psi on his DSM while I was only doing 8 psi (I've since gone to 14).

-Ron

Factory turbo cars.....I know its pretty pointless once they swap turbos and such, or an NA car pops a turbo on their car. Maybe I need to do this to silence all you turbo heads.....DA Motorsports Turbo kit for the S54 M3 stage 2....900whp :eek:

[themadhatter]

N/A rocks :supz:

turbo still kicks any N/A car a s s but just not as bad on the hot days


Correction....a turbo on a capable car. I've raced several turbocharged cars and shrugged them off....now I know once you guys start modding and upgrading turbos and such, then its a different story....

factory turbo or worked turbo cars? I've been breaking many egos around here and the only guy that gave me a run for my money was running 22 psi on his DSM while I was only doing 8 psi (I've since gone to 14).

-Ron

Factory turbo cars.....I know its pretty pointless once they swap turbos and such, or an NA car pops a turbo on their car. Maybe I need to do this to silence all you turbo heads.....DA Motorsports Turbo kit for the S54 M3 stage 2....900whp :eek:

no kidding. I didn't even know anyone had one out yet that was worth talking about. as for 900 hp on the S54, at what price? They probably rebuild the entire motor from the bottom up.

got a link to DA's site? I gotta check that out.

as you probably know, the turbo kits out from Technique Tuning have really stirred things up in the BMW FI community.

as for NA powered cars, I know of one car that can kick just about any turbo car's ass all over the pike - a TNT modified Dodge Viper putting down a proven 627 to the floor.

[2point4DSM]

Maybe I need to do this to silence all you turbo heads.....DA Motorsports Turbo kit for the S54 M3 stage 2....900whp :eek:

That would be sweet. I'd love to see a 900 whp M3. :prayer:

[M3_JOHN]

Site is http://www.da-motorsport.com

Stage 1 is 520 whp. Stage 2 900whp. The R&D car has been bought not too long ago, kits supposedly to be released 8/15. 11k for stage 1, I have no idea how much for the stage 2. Theres not much up on the site about the E46 M3, only shows that ones in development in the video section. I only know from some1 on the inside.... :cool: haha, actually my home forum is talking all about it, i'm just a shmuck who heard about it.

[themadhatter]

Site is http://www.da-motorsport.com

Stage 1 is 520 whp. Stage 2 900whp. The R&D car has been bought not too long ago, kits supposedly to be released 8/15. 11k for stage 1, I have no idea how much for the stage 2. Theres not much up on the site about the E46 M3, only shows that ones in development in the video section. I only know from some1 on the inside.... :cool: haha, actually my home forum is talking all about it, i'm just a shmuck who heard about it.

hahahahah!!!!

isn't that Mert's company? that cat makes some crazy FI bimmers over there.

[M3_JOHN]

Site is http://www.da-motorsport.com

Stage 1 is 520 whp. Stage 2 900whp. The R&D car has been bought not too long ago, kits supposedly to be released 8/15. 11k for stage 1, I have no idea how much for the stage 2. Theres not much up on the site about the E46 M3, only shows that ones in development in the video section. I only know from some1 on the inside.... :cool: haha, actually my home forum is talking all about it, i'm just a shmuck who heard about it.

hahahahah!!!!

isn't that Mert's company? that cat makes some crazy FI bimmers over there.

Yeah it is....I'm guessing you know of the company....well you probably know better than I do....its in turkey however....I hope they get some U.S. retailers.

[04 Turbo Spec]

yea that would be sic if u were to get that turbo then u might have a chance at me (motor build in the works but still no where near 500whp)

[S4toSTI]

Stay with active that is just too crazy