Cleanneons civic...next update August

[CleanNeon98]

Alright so I had the neon for a year. Bought it in august of 2005, played around with it for a bit, but I didnt like the 3-speed automatic, so I decided to sell it. Got 3k for it and I think that is a great price. Here are some pictures

Stock:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2118000-2118999/2118767_13_full.jpg

Then I went for the sound system because my speakers were blown.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2118000-2118999/2118767_23.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2118000-2118999/2118767_24_full.jpg

Then I got DEPO Headlights and clear turns.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2118000-2118999/2118767_25_full.jpg

Then I threw some tint on it. 20% all around

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2118000-2118999/2118767_26_full.jpg

Then I got a front body kit that only stayed on for a little bit when I realized how bad it looked. Couldnt afford paint

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3733/2884442530085776385lozjzf9.jpg

I have her Yokohama AVID H4S tires..nice and sticky

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4867/2431145540085776385aaefpe2.jpg

Then I got a fart can (sounded good but looked like ass) I dont have any in between pictures anymore, but this is what it looked like when I was done with it. Also got EXEL BK-7 wheels (identical to Motegi) I have a few

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8154/2287532800093666982yjnchx3.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1692/2511131110093666982bdbqjc9.jpg

Me and IKozhukhin

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5301/2637526660093666982sbleib7.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1679/2559801020093666982wmlaqp0.jpg




The Civic:

I got her in July of 2006 from Broad Street Auto Sales in trenton NJ

101.5k miles
5-speed manual
Price paid:6500

At that point I just wanted a daily driver to get around in. Soon it changed.

Here she is after her first wash and wax.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/695/1002344dd8.jpg

Short shifter arrived!

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4583/1002448xn1.jpg

Installed:

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6865/1002452wr3.jpg

Then I went and picked up some IKON wheels. I love them very much :)

http://photos-478.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v47/174/105/332600751/n332600751_29478_8009.jpg

http://photos-479.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v47/174/105/332600751/n332600751_29479_8269.jpg

http://photos-482.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v47/174/105/332600751/n332600751_29482_9041.jpg

http://photos-484.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v47/174/105/332600751/n332600751_29484_9565.jpg

Also I got an ebay cold air intake and threw an AEM dryflow airfilter on it

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2174/343mh3.jpg

Well thats all of my rice in a basket for your viewing pleasure. I plan to do a drop sometime after winter, and then possibly leave it at that for the time being. Im sure I will change my mind at least twice before I submit this thread lol. Later gang.

4/21 update

Got the car back from Ryan at Shades of Gray tint shop, and it looks nice. Changed the look of the car quite a bit. I also managed to rail a pretty big hole in the ground at about 40mph (it was raining and the thng was filled with water so i didnt see it), and put a small bend in my rim. holds air and doesnt throw off the balance.

Here it is when it was JUST finished. Pictures done by Ryan
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/rayn4eleven/115_1584.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/rayn4eleven/115_1585.jpg
Next day at my house to try and be more dramatic with the picture angles lol i failed
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7756/dscf0393lj4.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/2866/dscf0400xe3.jpg
Coming next is the water pump and timing belt, and then il throw some eibach pro springs on it and see how the stock struts hold up and for how long. Also after these tires wear out, il need to invest in a set of 45 series because these are just too skinny

Just waiting for a warm day now to change up my vynils a bit. Some things will come off, and some will go on. Here is a preview.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8913/dscf0417xv8.jpg

Attempt at a rolling shot.
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/181/rollingfront1copylr0.jpg

5/22/07-energy motor mount inserts came in
5/24/07-picked up an HKS HiPower Muffler for free
Here are a couple of mock-up shots...its gona be more tucked away and not slanted

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/8449/image157ob2.jpg
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/8095/image158uz4.jpg

5/25/07- Springs, and replacement endlinks arrive

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4362/1002736vw8.jpg

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6093/1002737zo0.jpg

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3569/1002738bk8.jpg

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9794/1002739jk8.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4921/1002740ox4.jpg
Springs turned out to be brand new

Strut bars just came in at 3pm
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8839/1002741rw2.jpg


5/28/07 - Tokico struts and camber kit arrived. Pictures

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3073/camberlo9.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7340/fronttw7.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6706/rearhr1.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3836/pileqa1.jpg

6/8/07 - Took my car over to Ray at TurboTekTuning and got lowered...it came out nicer than I thought, and once it settles, the rear is gona be the same height as the front
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/81/1002785be0.jpg

6/16/07

Snagged these wheels for a good price and they came wrapped in 205 40 17 Kumhu ECSTA Supra tires that are practically mint. Have minimal flaws, il post pix when they get on the car. Here is a stock photo
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/738/61353048bx3.gif

Well I killed 2 birds with 1 stone this past saturday night

6/16/07
Went to pick up new rims from a member here, and it finally happened.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9149/image178hg1.jpg
Here are the new wheels on my car. one has a busted valve stem that im taking care of and putting them on tomorrow. photoshoot to come :)
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6315/1002825tg9.jpg
6/28/07
Side exit exhaust installed by Greg or Buddris Motorsports. no muffler, stock cat and resonator, 2.5in axleback with chrome 2.5 inch tip.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeg1o1jBoRc

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7904/image195vi5.jpg

[CleanNeon98]

wow TST thanks for making my thread the only one with no responses. Great

[JSeoul]

Thats a clean car. I like the rims on the civic. Any new mods going on it? Like maybe.... a new shift knob?

[Kerplunk105]

My neighbor has the same wheels on his civic. I like'em.

[CleanNeon98]

Thats a clean car. I like the rims on the civic. Any new mods going on it? Like maybe.... a new shift knob?

I got one, but I dont like it. I want a JDM replica knob and a spoon sports boot. Il get around to that after I get my yellow fogs, blue headlights, eyelids, and drop.

[JSeoul]

nice. i was debating wheather to lower my car or not, but the roads in PA, or where i live at is horrible. Lots of pot holes and ****ty curbs

[CleanNeon98]

nice. i was debating wheather to lower my car or not, but the roads in PA, or where i live at is horrible. Lots of pot holes and ****ty curbs

I want to drop mine by about 2.5 inches. Just need to find springs that will give me that low of a drop, because I dont want to shell out big money for coilovers. Im in northeast philly

[IntegrasAreBest]

yeah you need to get slammed.

[streetAssasin96]

yeh those rims are sick, but definitley needs to be sittin lower

[Loserkidwac]

Looking good, you just need to get some eibach springs they will give you a nice ride, a decent drop with a nice sporty stance, if you go 2.5 you should get new shocks and springs...

[CleanNeon98]

Looking good, you just need to get some eibach springs they will give you a nice ride, a decent drop with a nice sporty stance, if you go 2.5 you should get new shocks and springs...

Looks like its 1.5-1.75

My mechanic is amazing, and if I drop it any more I wont be able to get on his lift.

[drew]

go with the eibach springs, you'll be okay on your stock shocks for a while. but pleaseeeee dont go with a 2.5" drop on stock shocks, it's to much stress on them and you WILL blow on, most likely while driving and it will be pretty violent

[IntegrasAreBest]

your mechanic can get your car on his lift even if you go lower. if he can't i suggest looking for a new mechanic.

[spoolinLSsol]

ground control coilovers and koni yellows are your friend...

[D Money]

cut springs is where it's at.

[Loserkidwac]

ground control coilovers and koni yellows are your friend...

:thumbup: Word thats what I am riding on they are great...my friend had K-sports, they are also good for the money

lol I am planning on running Konis and Cut springs on my other CRX:mrgreen:

[CleanNeon98]

cut springs is where it's at.
um..no

[D Money]

um..no

Than keep your monster truck civic the way it is.

[redline]

Hey Clean it looks good. My sis had the same color 2 door until some idiot totalled it. I woud ike to give you some easy cheap mods to do. Springs first but not a 2.5 go less. Then get the wheels centers "spokes" powder coated a darker color and tint the windows. All are fairly cheap to do:thumbup:

[CleanNeon98]

Looks like the wheels may have to go. I really want to start saving money, and I had to avoid an accident today which ****ed my clutch. i was at a red and some buick is comin at me fast, and at this point i can tell he cant stop, so i peel out and swerve to the side. he blows the red, and from then on, my clutch isnt as grabby as it was before. slides into gear instead of catching it. looking for some cheaper wheels plus cash for mine.

[DSMTJ]

Looks like the wheels may have to go. I really want to start saving money, and I had to avoid an accident today which ****ed my clutch. i was at a red and some buick is comin at me fast, and at this point i can tell he cant stop, so i peel out and swerve to the side. he blows the red, and from then on, my clutch isnt as grabby as it was before. slides into gear instead of catching it. looking for some cheaper wheels plus cash for mine.

clutch will get better with a few more heat cycles on it, it's not done just yet.

[CleanNeon98]

clutch will get better with a few more heat cycles on it, it's not done just yet.
Well see how it goes, but either way if I dont replace the clutch, I need to start saving money for the future. Im tired of working and having my savings account stuck at 300 dollars.

[cburwell]

It does sound like the clutch may have just glazed over. Take it easy, and see what happens.

[CleanNeon98]

well it is getting worn down. I used to be able to chirp.

[CleanNeon98]

bump for more comments! going back to stock with the system and wheels soon

[CleanNeon98]

recently installed an ebay cold air system and upgraded to an AEM dryflow filter

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2174/343mh3.jpg

Felt a bit of gain, much better torque response, and a decent sound.

[Nors]

Neons were 3 speed autos???

[CleanNeon98]

Neons were 3 speed autos???

all the way till 2003 i believe. 5-speed manuals were quick though. handled very well also...they are popular in autocross

[CleanNeon98]

just got a vynil of this at the mall..fav soccer team

http://www.football.co.uk/shared/images/teams/ac_milan.jpg

going on the front windshield top right

[allspoolin4]

Looks like its 1.5-1.75

My mechanic is amazing, and if I drop it any more I wont be able to get on his lift.

the only way i can get mine on a lift is if someone lifts up on each wheel well while another person slides the lift arm underneath haha:supz:

[347gtvert]

nice honder

[cszakolczai]

the only way i can get mine on a lift is if someone lifts up on each wheel well while another person slides the lift arm underneath haha:supz:

sounds like the guy I work with, his 300ZX has a lot of problems actually getting over the little hump just to get it set up for the lift.

Chris

[CleanNeon98]

nice honder

thank you..much apretiate it

[CleanNeon98]

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1097/1002655op3.jpg

thats going on when the damn rain stops on tuesday

[CleanNeon98]

Some vynil work...shockers are for ****s and giggles

http://a567.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/11/l_f889dea22ad305b043a142b20c422196.jpg

[Broken5hift]

im pretty sure its illegal to have the soccer and aem sticker on your windshield. just fyi

[CleanNeon98]

im pretty sure its illegal to have the soccer and aem sticker on your windshield. just fyi

LMAO I know its illegal to have anything on the front window cause it "blocks the view", but elaborate

[Broken5hift]

LMAO I know its illegal to have anything on the front window cause it "blocks the view", but elaborate

whats there to elaborate on? you posted my point, cops are probably gonna pull you over for it was my point.

[CleanNeon98]

whats there to elaborate on? you posted my point, cops are probably gonna pull you over for it was my point.

the shocker is also on the front window...besides I know PLENTLY of cars that have that stuff...ricers rolling with the huge honda letters, D has dd tuning, thumbs down, bride, and some shield lookin thing, and hes still ok..mine are towards the top corners, and I dont exactly look at the sky when I drive so I dont see why it should be a problem but hey you never know

[CleanNeon98]

Just out of curiosity, who can install and tune turbo kits on hondas?

[05Accent]

the shocker is also on the front window...besides I know PLENTLY of cars that have that stuff...ricers rolling with the huge honda letters, D has dd tuning, thumbs down, bride, and some shield lookin thing, and hes still ok..mine are towards the top corners, and I dont exactly look at the sky when I drive so I dont see why it should be a problem but hey you never know

its because hes D.. /

[bigslowchevy]

personally, i think you have some of the worst taste ive ever seen, your neon was terrible, and now you have carried it over to a 4 door civic, i mean, why?, and now you wanna turbo your single cam in a 4 door, just stop, sell your car and get a bus pass, its the best idea for you.


Thanks in advance

[foss3kgt]

personally, i think you have some of the worst taste ive ever seen, your neon was terrible, and now you have carried it over to a 4 door civic, i mean, why?, and now you wanna turbo your single cam in a 4 door, just stop, sell your car and get a bus pass, its the best idea for you.


Thanks in advance

Didn't your mommy ever tell you that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?

[Signatus230]

Clean Civic, one of the best for a nice DD. Neon wasn't too bad either! Keep it up, and don't get discouraged. If you have to save money, just don't eat for a week, lol.

[CleanNeon98]

Clean Civic, one of the best for a nice DD. Neon wasn't too bad either! Keep it up, and don't get discouraged. If you have to save money, just don't eat for a week, lol.

Thanks.

[CleanNeon98]

personally, i think you have some of the worst taste ive ever seen, your neon was terrible, and now you have carried it over to a 4 door civic, i mean, why?, and now you wanna turbo your single cam in a 4 door, just stop, sell your car and get a bus pass, its the best idea for you.


Thanks in advance

Bad taste on a civic is wheels???? I think you shouldnt even get a bus pass...probbably a 1-way ticket to a mental hospital.

[CarbonIS]

Bad taste on a civic is wheels???? I think you shouldnt even get a bus pass...probbably a 1-way ticket to a mental hospital.

HAHAHAHAHA that was hilariously idiotic.

seriously tho, if u want a tuner car u should sell that and get something else.

[CleanNeon98]

HAHAHAHAHA that was hilariously idiotic.

seriously tho, if u want a tuner car u should sell that and get something else.

I dont need a tuner car..i got it because I liked it, and thats it. Im not about to change my whole life to appeal to a forum filled mostly with morons.

[CarbonIS]

haha then leave it d-bag its called TriStateTUNERS

[CleanNeon98]

haha then leave it d-bag its called TriStateTUNERS

There are plenty of people here that have stock cars cornhole. Not everyone can afford a sti or evo get it through your head

[Broken5hift]

haha then leave it d-bag its called TriStateTUNERS

agreed. i think you need to figure out what exactly you want out of your car cleanneon. all bashing aside all i see from you is one hypocritical post after another. first its a DD then its a project race car, then racing is bad, then your pissed cause the kid you raced was a D bag to you.

If it comes down to you bought the car because 1. it was what you could afford. 2. you just like civics 3. you didnt know where you were going with it, or whatever the reason you gotta have a starting point. whats the damn car for? if its a DD then dont expect it to be a tuner car. if you want it to be a tuner car then you have to understand the majority of people on this site are serious tuners, not just exhaust and intake owners. these people hunt for rare parts and spend tons of money getting their cars where they want them to be. if thats the path you want to go down then you just have to accept that your car is not there yet and its got a long way to go. i think the majority of negative comments towards you stem from you thinking your car is something that no one else does.

When i first got my base integra i thought i was bad ass with an intake and exhaust tooling around town until i started getting my ass handed to me by pretty much everything. then it quickly became "ok i love this car, its not fast, what do i want to do with it?" i chose to put a great stereo in it and work on its suspension so i could have a fun little auto x car even though it wasnt fast. i got some limited edition konig rims that i have never seen on any other car, i slammed the integra and saved up and put some serious cash into making it handle like a champ, and it did. people loved my car because it was simple yet well done. no body kits, stickers, lighting. just slammed, 17" flat black rims, F1 tires, full coilovers and suspension, sway bars, camber kits, you name it i had it and i saved up and bough the best i could find for it. i had an insanely loud stereo system with what was at the time the best tweeter could offer. JL w3 subs, boston pro components, alpine amps and headunit. I mean, the car took me like two years to just get to that point but everyone seemed to like it for the sheer fact that it wasnt trying to be anything else but what i had intended it to be. thats all im saying.

if you seriously want to start turning your car into something that will make you happy then just try being humble about it. people on here will help you if you 1. have respect for their input 2. are serious about tuning your car, and 3. are humble with what your car is now.

i hope some of this helps. i'd rather you be able to take your car and attitude/mentality towards tuning in a better direction and hopefully bridge whatever gap there is between your opinions and members on the site. like you said, you shouldnt change your car or your preferences to make the site happy, but i think theres a lot of good info members can give you if you want to hear them out.

[05Accent]

There are plenty of people here that have stock cars cornhole. Not everyone can afford a sti or evo get it through your head :rotfl: :rotfl:
haha seriously who says cornhole..

idk why i found that exteamly funny. maybe bc im extreamly tired. oh well

[Spocknasty]

Lose the vinyls; they are stupid and put in a stupid location, stupid. The shocker? Come on.

Do you not have an inner monologue? Make up your mind about your car. Research on Honda-tech about motor swaps and turbos instead of asking general questions. Learn what all this stuff does instead of expect us to spoon feed you solutions.

Here's what you do. Blow your motor up then discuss with your parents the possibility of getting a new car or replace your motor with a B16. You don't deserve to be much faster than that at the moment with your lack of knowledge and experience.

Spend less time on here and more time on Honda-tech and make us all proud.

[Bsaint]

Lose the vinyls; they are stupid and put in a stupid location, stupid. The shocker? Come on.

Do you not have an inner monologue? Make up your mind about your car. Research on Honda-tech about motor swaps and turbos instead of asking general questions. Learn what all this stuff does instead of expect us to spoon feed you solutions.

Here's what you do. Blow your motor up then discuss with your parents the possibility of getting a new car or replace your motor with a B16. You don't deserve to be much faster than that at the moment with your lack of knowledge and experience.

Spend less time on here and more time on Honda-tech and make us all proud.

ahahahahaha at mike :cyberguy:

[D Money]

the shocker is also on the front window...besides I know PLENTLY of cars that have that stuff...ricers rolling with the huge honda letters, D has dd tuning, thumbs down, bride, and some shield lookin thing, and hes still ok..mine are towards the top corners, and I dont exactly look at the sky when I drive so I dont see why it should be a problem but hey you never know

Haha, what does my stickers have to do with what you do to your own car? You are trying to be like me, admit it.

Some shield looking thing, haha. OMG, i've heard it all. :roll:

its because hes D.. /

lol lol lol

[sisforsurfing]

agreed. (this whole post)

Bravo. I'm impressed with that response, and agree wholeheartedly.

[TurboDSMJ]

Yea dude, you need to make up your mind. I understand you might, and I say might because I honestly have no clue, know what the hell you want the car for, but I certainly don't. If you want it to be fast, then you should just take all the money you have, and all of your assets, and drive down I95 at 75mph (If your car can go faster, do it.) then dump it all out the window. You might have, one of the WORST cars to tune. It has a SOHC motor that is next to useless, it was meant to get people to church in a reasonable time, not make tons of power. I wouldn't waste my money on a turbo set up. It might make a good sleeper, but only if you have a healthy bank account to back it up, which you stated that you don't. Personally, if you want to go fast, sell the car. You will end up investing too much time and money in that thing to be completely dissappointed. And if you ever make it to the point, where that car is putting down big numbers, it will never get it to the ground. Without extensive suspension work, which will cost even more money. So at the end of the day, you'll be stuck with a high horsepower car, that does 0-60 in 7 seconds with pieces of the front tires melted to the ground. And I said tires, assuming you spend even more money on an LSD. If you want to get serious, save some money, in fact, save every cent you can get your hands on. And when the bank account grows a bit, buy another car, or sell yours, then buy another car. Pick up a car that has good potential, and heavy aftermarket support. Like, I don't know, a 1G Talon or something. Free mod's will put it the low 14's, high 13's assuming you don't have a touch of palsy and know how to drive. Then a boost controller, a turbo back exhaust, etc., and now you're really moving.

To sum it up, trying to make your car fast, is like trying to have sex with a paralyzed woman. It will just take way too much time and effort to satisfy you.

Oh, and seriously, cornhole?

[max2k1]

agreed. i think you need to figure out what exactly you want out of your car cleanneon. all bashing aside all i see from you is one hypocritical post after another. first its a DD then its a project race car, then racing is bad, then your pissed cause the kid you raced was a D bag to you.

If it comes down to you bought the car because 1. it was what you could afford. 2. you just like civics 3. you didnt know where you were going with it, or whatever the reason you gotta have a starting point. whats the damn car for? if its a DD then dont expect it to be a tuner car. if you want it to be a tuner car then you have to understand the majority of people on this site are serious tuners, not just exhaust and intake owners. these people hunt for rare parts and spend tons of money getting their cars where they want them to be. if thats the path you want to go down then you just have to accept that your car is not there yet and its got a long way to go. i think the majority of negative comments towards you stem from you thinking your car is something that no one else does.

When i first got my base integra i thought i was bad ass with an intake and exhaust tooling around town until i started getting my ass handed to me by pretty much everything. then it quickly became "ok i love this car, its not fast, what do i want to do with it?" i chose to put a great stereo in it and work on its suspension so i could have a fun little auto x car even though it wasnt fast. i got some limited edition konig rims that i have never seen on any other car, i slammed the integra and saved up and put some serious cash into making it handle like a champ, and it did. people loved my car because it was simple yet well done. no body kits, stickers, lighting. just slammed, 17" flat black rims, F1 tires, full coilovers and suspension, sway bars, camber kits, you name it i had it and i saved up and bough the best i could find for it. i had an insanely loud stereo system with what was at the time the best tweeter could offer. JL w3 subs, boston pro components, alpine amps and headunit. I mean, the car took me like two years to just get to that point but everyone seemed to like it for the sheer fact that it wasnt trying to be anything else but what i had intended it to be. thats all im saying.

if you seriously want to start turning your car into something that will make you happy then just try being humble about it. people on here will help you if you 1. have respect for their input 2. are serious about tuning your car, and 3. are humble with what your car is now.

i hope some of this helps. i'd rather you be able to take your car and attitude/mentality towards tuning in a better direction and hopefully bridge whatever gap there is between your opinions and members on the site. like you said, you shouldnt change your car or your preferences to make the site happy, but i think theres a lot of good info members can give you if you want to hear them out.

that post was way too calm for you lol

[AMF Racing]

you def need to figure out what you want out of the car.......gonna take a lot of money to make it go fast, and you dont have it. keep it to simple mods, or like others have said sell it and buy something else.

[CleanNeon98]

you def need to figure out what you want out of the car.......gonna take a lot of money to make it go fast, and you dont have it. keep it to simple mods, or like others have said sell it and buy something else.

Jump on AIM i gota discuss that junkyard run with you

[AMF Racing]

Jump on AIM i gota discuss that junkyard run with you

at work, no AIM, dont need to go to junkyard.....

[CarbonIS]

i'm glad everyone decided to post and agree with me, since i was trying to be a nice guy in the first place and give you some constructive advice and u had to be a dick. maybe THAT is why no one on this site likes you. I'm sure that even with all that broken5hift wrote and everyone else who took the time to actually sit down and write you some ideas and give you some advice, you didn't hear or take a word of it and just had a lame-ass negative attitude. you're an knowledgeless ignorant prick. thanks. later.

and seriously though, cornhole?

[Broken5hift]

that post was way too calm for you lol

calm before the storm

[SUB2.5RS]

Nice cars. Not my taste but there nice. As far as the Civic goes for its not going anywhere fast. But keep the faith!

[CleanNeon98]

bump for updates

[ikozhukhin]

that civic is comin along man. all it needs is some more tire, and to be closer to the ground. other then that it looks good.

[ThePrimerSuspect]

needs dual exhaust......j/k. but seriously, DO NOT drop that on stock struts. i am constantly replacing struts and lower control arm bushings on them. they blow out every 30k on stock springs, let alone with a 2.5 drop.

[CleanNeon98]

needs dual exhaust......j/k. but seriously, DO NOT drop that on stock struts. i am constantly replacing struts and lower control arm bushings on them. they blow out every 30k on stock springs, let alone with a 2.5 drop.

if you can do that header and hook it up and all to not have a CEL code, then youll have a deal. im thinking of going with the eibach sportlines 1.5 all around

[CleanNeon98]

that civic is comin along man. all it needs is some more tire, and to be closer to the ground. other then that it looks good.

needs more power

[foss]

why? face it, your not going to make much power with that sohc motor unless you drop big money into it. why not give it a rockin' suspension and brakes and auto-x it? if you want something fast, just stop modding your car, save up for x amount of time, sell your car and buy something that has potential (ie 240, dsm, srt4). that's just my 2 cents.

[CleanNeon98]

why? face it, your not going to make much power with that sohc motor unless you drop big money into it. why not give it a rockin' suspension and brakes and auto-x it? if you want something fast, just stop modding your car, save up for x amount of time, sell your car and buy something that has potential (ie 240, dsm, srt4). that's just my 2 cents.

needs more power is just a joke though. i realize it wont be fast, thats why im scratching my head thinking to do suspention or not

[CleanNeon98]

bump for a vynil changeup on the next warm day

[CleanNeon98]

Currently bidding on a rear sway cause my car didnt come with one from factory (haha it sucks). This is a 19mm RSX rear sway to pair with my OEM 25.4mm front sway. Im gona need to do some fabrication work because there are no mounting brackets for this part, but I will get er done. Here is what it is

http://i17.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/9c/c3/5421_1.JPG

This is a 19mm rear sway bar from a base model RSX in very good condition. It will fit the 2002-2005 Civic Si and 2001-2005 Civic EX/LX/HX models that have an OEM rear bar. Includes 2 Energy Suspension polyurethane bushings (these are a bit sticky from grease but are fully functional). A flat $20 shipping fee will be added to winning price.

[CleanNeon98]

lost the sway bar, but got energy motor mounts, and an HKS hi-power muffler

waiting for

front and rear strut bars
tokico struts
neuspeed springs
spc camber kit

[whitezenki]

running just a muffler?


hello rice

[CleanNeon98]

running just a muffler?


hello rice

Whats rice about running just a muffler...a whole exhaust does absolutely nothing as far as power for my car...does that make it rice too?

I love when someone with a subaru gets a muffler and people say "nice" and someone does the same with a civic people say "rice"...people arent biased at all...:roll:

[sisforsurfing]

a whole exhaust does absolutely nothing as far as power for my car...does that make it rice too?
Yes.

I love when someone with a subaru gets a muffler and people say "nice" and someone does the same with a civic people say "rice"...people arent biased at all...:roll:
Rarely do people put just a muffler on their WRX/STi. And on any turbo car (not just Subarus), an exhaust will free up noticeable power.

I'm not even going to get into "taste."

[CleanNeon98]

Yes.


Rarely do people put just a muffler on their WRX/STi. And on any turbo car (not just Subarus), an exhaust will free up noticeable power.

I'm not even going to get into "taste."
if its rice on one car, its rice on another...an exhaust is not a rice part..if you have nothing constructive to say, dont speak...taste is a matter of preference.

[CleanNeon98]

Before you 2 decide to post again, let me introduce constructive critisism...you say "dont do this because __________" not just "rice" because it makes you sound like my dad saying "dont lower your car you wont be able to drive in the snow, and will be hitting speed bumps"(mind you he doesnt know anything about cars, but has to be a tard and get a word in"

[foss]

well if it doesn't do anything for your car what's the point in wasting money on it? you really cant think that solely a muffler will make your car sound good..

[CleanNeon98]

well if it doesn't do anything for your car what's the point in wasting money on it? you really cant think that solely a muffler will make your car sound good..

if it doesnt, il just go back to stock...i got it for nothing, and the weld is gona be cheap, but if i dont try, il never know..il give it a shot, if it sounds bad, i take it off...trial and error

[whitezenki]

its gonna sound bad, but youll prolyl think it sounds good and gives you some power...


thats why its rice

[CleanNeon98]

its gonna sound bad, but youll prolyl think it sounds good and gives you some power...


thats why its rice

i know it doesnt give any power...if i dont like how it sounds, il take it off and swap the stock back on...like i said trial and error..besides im doing this because i want a good sound not because i care what other people who hear it think thats just a nice thing to have..if i like it, i keep it...well see how it is il post a soundclip once i get it on

[Spocknasty]

Screw the exhaust. Save up for a nasty turbo setup. Surprise everyone. Be somebody.

[Buster]

Whats rice about running just a muffler...a whole exhaust does absolutely nothing as far as power for my car...does that make it rice too?

I love when someone with a subaru gets a muffler and people say "nice" and someone does the same with a civic people say "rice"...people arent biased at all...:roll:

Just got to add my 2 cents. the guys who buy subarus have enough sense and cents to buy an entire exhaust. And Im pretty sure that bumping from your 1 and 1/4 ehaust piping to 2 and 1/2 (just to make sure you fully understand) can and will make a noticeable difference. But hey we just make generalizations here.

[Spocknasty]

Or what Keith said.

[CleanNeon98]

Just got to add my 2 cents. the guys who buy subarus have enough sense and cents to buy an entire exhaust. And Im pretty sure that bumping from your 1 and 1/4 ehaust piping to 2 and 1/2 (just to make sure you fully understand) can and will make a noticeable difference. But hey we just make generalizations here.

mine is 1.75, and no it doesnt do anything. numerous em2 and es1 owners can vouch to this..the exhaust would only make a difference if there were many other mods to match...and sorry i lied..it gives maybe 2 horsepower, not nearly enough to justify its pricetag of 400-600 dollars. There really arent any parts that I can get for this car that are affordable or worth the money that they cost... the only options I have are swap, spray, boost, and I dont like either of them. I will explain why

About the turbo comment..the turbo kit from dezod is 3k to start, not including the AEM standalone, nor other goodies like an exhaust, clutch, etc. Lets not forget installation and tuning costs...and the maintenance bills that will be coming in shortly after. A motor with 110k miles on it (honda or otherwise) I would never turbo. Besides, this is my one and only, dd, all season car; if it was a project, boost away, but i cant afford any downtime because of these huge projects.

A swap is a major project, and I wont do it not only because of the price, but if I swapped, id want a k20, and I like coming outside every morning and seeing my car standing there in one piece. Thieves suck, and WILL steal a car just for the motor, 7thgen or not; i have seen it happen to members here, and dont want to be the next guy saying "my honda was stolen"

Nitrous is a great way to add power, but I would go nuts with it. Its nice used in moderation, but once I get a feel of that power boost it gives, il use it over and over and over, and eventually blow my motor, or break things and have the car turn into a rolling corpse. I have a self-moderation problem.

[Buster]

Any N/A or F/i car will see an improvement with an exhaust. If all you do is bottle up things until the very end where you just fart it out with a huge opening isnt going to accomplish anything. Backpressure is key with N/A. Seriously, we're trying to give you good advise. If youre going to do it do it right not fast. Buying parts isnt about what deal you can get. Its about doing what works and what will give results. Or you can keep to the stereotypical civic with a fart can trying to fit in by buying what good deals he found on ebay.

[CleanNeon98]

Any N/A or F/i car will see an improvement with an exhaust. If all you do is bottle up things until the very end where you just fart it out with a huge opening isnt going to accomplish anything. Backpressure is key with N/A. Seriously, we're trying to give you good advise. If youre going to do it do it right not fast. Buying parts isnt about what deal you can get. Its about doing what works and what will give results. Or you can keep to the stereotypical civic with a fart can trying to fit in by buying what good deals he found on ebay.

I apretiate the advice, but I am just stuck with a civic that isnt very workable. I have read over and over that guys who have replaced their exhausts have gotten nothing to 2 horsepower. One even said when he went back to stock to sell the car, the car felt quicker with the stock exhaust on it. I have some good things coming for me tomorrow and over the weekend, il throw them on, and then see where I want to go from there. If its not too expensive, I may consider a custom exhaust but again, my options are very limited. Some say its because honda tunes their cars to make good power from the factory..

On a side note, there is only one header available that ive seen for the d17a1 and thats by OBX

[Spocknasty]

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/

If you can't build a turbo setup for under 3k, you are destined to be slow. Talk to Jon at Street Solutions, he can recommend a decent setup. As far as motor mileage, do you even go to Honda meets and look under peoples hoods? I can't even tell you how many old snailed single slammers I've seen.

Honestly, my car feels better down low when I have my silencer in, so what Keith says about backpressure is true. You'll regret the fart can.

You might get better results from a header..and have you thought about a more aggressive cam?

If you want to hear your car better, rip out the sheets of tar around your firewall. Worked for me.

[CleanNeon98]

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/

If you can't build a turbo setup for under 3k, you are destined to be slow. Talk to Jon at Street Solutions, he can recommend a decent setup. As far as motor mileage, do you even go to Honda meets and look under peoples hoods? I can't even tell you how many old snailed single slammers I've seen.

Honestly, my car feels better down low when I have my silencer in, so what Keith says about backpressure is true. You'll regret the fart can.

You might get better results from a header..and have you thought about a more aggressive cam?

If you want to hear your car better, rip out the sheets of tar around your firewall. Works for me.
cams only available for the d17a2 (ex model)
Im waiting for suspension things, that should definately beef things up

[Buster]

You have to keep in mind that your exhaust is the very last thing that you power sees, but every thing you do will increase that much more because it was there. With Subarus they tell you before you do anything you tune. You will get that much more power from the car because you did it.

I had a Spec-V before I had this car. Its a slow ****box, But I turned it to a relitively quick ****box because I added an intake,header,catback. the three major components when builing an N/A car. Besides it doesnt matter how much power a car can make but how well it delivers. you can expect much from a basically stock civic with a great suspenison and vice versa. Balance will turn your car into something fun. for example, On the AutoX courses you will see an LS integra sedan. not much in the straight line but a beast on the course. Plan what you do, dont eat all the crap you find on the internet. Let the other ricers buy it up. You want to earn the respect, heres your chance, build a respectable car the right way and youll see.

[CleanNeon98]

You have to keep in mind that your exhaust is the very last thing that you power sees, but every thing you do will increase that much more because it was there. With Subarus they tell you before you do anything you tune. You will get that much more power from the car because you did it.

I had a Spec-V before I had this car. Its a slow ****box, But I turned it to a relitively quick ****box because I added an intake,header,catback. the three major components when builing an N/A car. Besides it doesnt matter how much power a car can make but how well it delivers. you can expect much from a basically stock civic with a great suspenison and vice versa. Balance will turn your car into something fun. for example, On the AutoX courses you will see an LS integra sedan. not much in the straight line but a beast on the course. Plan what you do, dont eat all the crap you find on the internet. Let the other ricers buy it up. You want to earn the respect, heres your chance, build a respectable car the right way and youll see.
yea...i kinda grabbed the muffler just cause it was free, but i figured if I dont put it on my car, il give it to my friend who is gona be doing a sr20det project soon im sure he can use it better than me anyway, and itl look more "in place". I am waiting for struts, springs, adjustable camber kit, front and rear strut bars, and trying again tomorrow to get my damn motor mounts out so I can install the inserts. then im fixing my broken endlink (and this time being smart and using nylon nuts), and hopefully that tightens everything up a bit till I get new tires and the RSX rear sway that ive been talking about for almost 5 months

[Spocknasty]

My friend has the same year as you, and he's always complaining about the lack of parts for it. Really though, you should just go B series.

[CleanNeon98]

My friend has the same year as you, and he's always complaining about the lack of parts for it. Really though, you should just go B series.

Maybe for the next car I get, but im hoping it will be something totally different class like an S2k or 300zx or a cobra. For now, il make the best of what I have, and hopefully get a few people surprised. suspension setup im doing is actually pretty decent

[Buster]

Skip the sway and go for a bigger one. theres a reason its for sale. Im sure there is a reasonably priced 20mm bar somewhere. that will really show you how to oversteer. And Loctite is your friend.

[CleanNeon98]

Skip the sway and go for a bigger one. theres a reason its for sale. Im sure there is a reasonably priced 20mm bar somewhere. that will really show you how to oversteer. And Loctite is your friend.

The prob. with the non RSX bar is the aftermarket ones position the endlinks a different way causing them to break. This basically adds hayame endlinks to the list (another 175 dollars). The RSX rear is a 19mm, and my front is a 25.4, I think thats a decent balance. The nice thing with going for a good handling car, is the civic is not as light as the hatchbacks, or the older Sis, but its still decent

BTW the RSX sway I was bidding on a few weeks back I was outbid on it...lots of people buy them for their es1s and em2s, and then sell em before they sell the cars I guess. What is loctite? adheisive? what will I use it for? gluing the inserts into the mounts?

[Buster]

No your rear should be close in size to your front. And with the endlinks, thats cheap. I would do it. Take your time and buy the right parts. Ive had a turbo sitting in my room for almost a month now because Im waiting until I have all the RIGHT parts for the install. I could throw it in now because I have what I need but not what I want. there is a difference and you have to pay to play. Modding cars is just like girlfriends, you dont buy your girlfriend a fake diamond ring for your anniversary. You save and buy the most ****ing kick ass peice of pressuized stone you can afford other wise like the scorned woman, your car will also leave you stranded because you could have done better.

[CleanNeon98]

No your rear should be close in size to your front. And with the endlinks, thats cheap. I would do it. Take your time and buy the right parts. Ive had a turbo sitting in my room for almost a month now because Im waiting until I have all the RIGHT parts for the install. I could throw it in now because I have what I need but not what I want. there is a difference and you have to pay to play. Modding cars is just like girlfriends, you dont buy your girlfriend a fake diamond ring for your anniversary. You save and buy the most ****ing kick ass peice of pressuized stone you can afford other wise like the scorned woman, your car will also leave you stranded because you could have done better.

Ive actually heard good things about the 19mm sway matched with the 25.4...hear it gives just a touch of oversteer. Endlinks are the kinda thing that you can use the stockers for some time, then upgrade..they arent like installing a turbo where everything is very vital. I think by the time I get everything after the lowering kit together, il be all set to go, but ive heard it many times..do it right, or dont do it at all

[Buster]

Lowering a car with stock suspension parts is asking for trouble. and mating a sturdy 20-22mm sway would balance better and promote a little more oversteer, and thats good. I would rather my car have plenty of room to turn than run out half rotation. Seriously, take the advise and run with it. your car isnt going anywhere soon. take you time and put the effort into it or its just going to give you greif. how do you say your satisfied if your under it twice a year replacing endlinks when you could do it once and forget about them.

[CleanNeon98]

Lowering a car with stock suspension parts is asking for trouble. and mating a sturdy 20-22mm sway would balance better and promote a little more oversteer, and thats good. I would rather my car have plenty of room to turn than run out half rotation. Seriously, take the advise and run with it. your car isnt going anywhere soon. take you time and put the effort into it or its just going to give you greif. how do you say your satisfied if your under it twice a year replacing endlinks when you could do it once and forget about them.
Stock parts? What stock parts are we talking about...i got tokico hp struts as well im not lowering on the stockers.

[Buster]

A stock RSX sway and stock Civic endlinks.if you plan on throwing it around they wont last with that kind of resistance. Look, im stepping out of my element here and giving you good advise. things I wish people would have told me way back when. its not a race car, and if you cant buy the right parts it wont ever be. but as far as building a reliable fun car, you going in the total wrong direction. Do what you want, because all im hearing is excuses for why you dont want to buy parts. Please dont tell us youre going to buy a better car later on down the road with this attitude, I would hate to see another good Subaru,Evo,SRT go down the drain again. Like I said, Make a plan and stick to it, do the research and make the sacrifices unless you want to enjoy an bustedass noisy and unbalanced vehicle and the witty banter from the people who will have to veiw it.

[CleanNeon98]

A stock RSX sway and stock Civic endlinks.if you plan on throwing it around they wont last with that kind of resistance. Look, im stepping out of my element here and giving you good advise. things I wish people would have told me way back when. its not a race car, and if you cant buy the right parts it wont ever be. but as far as building a reliable fun car, you going in the total wrong direction. Do what you want, because all im hearing is excuses for why you dont want to buy parts. Please dont tell us youre going to buy a better car later on down the road with this attitude, I would hate to see another good Subaru,Evo,SRT go down the drain again. Like I said, Make a plan and stick to it, do the research and make the sacrifices unless you want to enjoy an bustedass noisy and unbalanced vehicle and the witty banter from the people who will have to veiw it.

Im not quite at that part yet...first its getting the struts springs and finally an alignment. Then I will start putting money aside for new tires, sway, links, maybe control arms, better strut bars, brakes, etc. This step im doing now is just to firm things up slightly and get rid of my nasty nasty wheelgap.

Here is a 22mm progress rear sway, and an adaptor kit for it..good parts, il start doing that step over the summer and install when its all together.

Kit:
http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=productdetail&id=115

Sway:
http://truehonda.com/inventory.php?action=productdetail&id=107

22mm sway breaks endlinks:
http://www.civicforums.com/forums/44-suspension-performance/82775-my-progress-rear-sway-bar-broke-my.html

Ingalls links:
http://www.clubrsx.com/cr/ING-84000.html

7thgen guy makes custom endlinks:
http://www.civicforums.com/forums/193-honda-civic-parts-sale/233551-fs-greys-endlinks-lower-prices.html

[CleanNeon98]

Also, since my front sway is a 25.4 and the progress front is only .6mm thicker, is there a point to upgrading? I read somewhere that the stock sways are hollow, while the progress ones are filled, making them more solid and stiff

[CleanNeon98]

Install info for the front sway by progress
http://www.civicforums.com/forums/119-suspension/155274-progress-front-sway-bar.html

And for the rear sway and bracket
http://www.civicforums.com/forums/119-suspension/155458-progress-rear-sway-bar-mounting-kit.html

[CleanNeon98]

check end of first post for 5/25/07 updates

[CleanNeon98]

strut bars also came in...waiting for the struts and camber kit :)

[Spocknasty]

Just get a bike.

[JettaMan17]

this is one of the biggest "car-bashing" posts i have ever seen

seriously though, cornhole?

[ThePrimerSuspect]

buy my exhaust. $200. you cant beat that for a full exhaust. ill even install it.

[italianblaze]

Screw the exhaust. Save up for a nasty turbo setup. Surprise everyone. Be somebody.

yeah BE somebody!
ricer

[CleanNeon98]

buy my exhaust. $200. you cant beat that for a full exhaust. ill even install it.
I dont want a dual exhaust man its not for me.
yeah BE somebody!
ricer

got nothing good to say? then shut the hell up

[foss]

like i said before. I think you should just not drop the 500+ dollars your going to spending on these new parts and SAVE IT!!!! Seriously dude what the **** is the point in upgrading your car. You and I know it's a piece of **** that your never going to be able to race or even autox with. I guarentee if you just save for a solid 6 months, and sell your car, you will be able to afford a SRT4 or a wrx or any other car that you could have more fun with. Right now if I were you I would put the car back to stock, part all of it out, concentrating on working as much as possible, and buy something nasty. Just my .02.

[Evo8kid]

^^^+1 well said

[CleanNeon98]

il get it lowered and see what happens from there.

[foss]

Every time you mod your car, god kills a kitten.

[ThePrimerSuspect]

dude, just buy my srt. you'll be happier than you are with a civic. i know i am.

[CleanNeon98]

Every time you mod your car, god kills a kitten.
why are you complaining about me modding my car. dont like it? dont post. simple
dude, just buy my srt. you'll be happier than you are with a civic. i know i am.
if ur so happy, why are you selling it. no thanks

[ThePrimerSuspect]

im selling it because im changing careers (i think ive been over this) and it would help a great deal if i dont have a car payment. i mean, i loved my bike to death, but i sold it because i needed the cash. do i intend to get another one? your goddamn right. i would buy another srt down the road for the right price, but i probably wont because its time for a new project. i think its the ADD........i get bored with things WAY too quickly.

[highmilehatch]

Sell it. It really is one of the worst platforms to work with.

[TurboTagTeam]

il get it lowered and see what happens from there.

I dont understand why you post here. Everyone is trying to tell you that your car sucks. You would have to spend 10,000$ minimunm to make it even halfway cool. Either stop wasting your money on it and just leave it, or sell that POS and buy something mod-worthy.

[dubjinc]

I dont understand why you post here. Everyone is trying to tell you that your car sucks. You would have to spend 10,000$ minimunm to make it even halfway cool. Either stop wasting your money on it and just leave it, or sell that POS and buy something mod-worthy.

wow... thats not really cool.

[Blkmax]

Clean neon, i have nothing against you, or your car, do as you please.. but seriously the title of your thread is "help me pick a direction, im going nuts!" but then when people give you pointers, or their input, you dont want to hear it. so i really dont know what you are trying to get out of this.

[CleanNeon98]

Clean neon, i have nothing against you, or your car, do as you please.. but seriously the title of your thread is "help me pick a direction, im going nuts!" but then when people give you pointers, or their input, you dont want to hear it. so i really dont know what you are trying to get out of this.
help me pick a direction as far as modding the car. just becuase someone with a better faster car tells me to sell mine and get another, isnt going to make me do it. People just love to talk ****
I dont understand why you post here. Everyone is trying to tell you that your car sucks. You would have to spend 10,000$ minimunm to make it even halfway cool. Either stop wasting your money on it and just leave it, or sell that POS and buy something mod-worthy.
dont talk **** for no reason...im trying to make the car more enjoyable, not make it appeal to some random asshat who is walking down the street.

[dubjinc]

Clean neon, i have nothing against you, or your car, do as you please.. but seriously the title of your thread is "help me pick a direction, im going nuts!" but then when people give you pointers, or their input, you dont want to hear it. so i really dont know what you are trying to get out of this.
agreed..however

"I dont understand why you post here. Everyone is trying to tell you that your car sucks. You would have to spend 10,000$ minimunm to make it even halfway cool. Either stop wasting your money on it and just leave it, or sell that POS and buy something mod-worthy."

is unnecessary, how is that supposed to help. Maybe he'll stop modding because your post said he should, maybe you will convice him to change his financial situation..but probably not, i know i wouldn't. Constructive critisism is one thing, but telling someone their car sucks, and that its a pos is not helping.

[CleanNeon98]

agreed..however

"I dont understand why you post here. Everyone is trying to tell you that your car sucks. You would have to spend 10,000$ minimunm to make it even halfway cool. Either stop wasting your money on it and just leave it, or sell that POS and buy something mod-worthy."

is unnecessary, how is that supposed to help. Maybe he'll stop modding because your post said he should, maybe you will convice him to change his financial situation..but probably not, i know i wouldn't. Constructive critisism is one thing, but telling someone their car sucks, and that its a pos is not helping.
Thank you. Its my car, and its my project...I will own this car for a good 3 or so years till I get done school, unless I can afford a better one, so i wana make the best of it
to others
Please if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute, hit the back button, and move on with life. there is no reason to be a prick.

[BradC]

5/24/07-picked up an HKS HiPower Muffler for free
Here are a couple of mock-up shots...its gona be more tucked away and not slanted
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/8449/image157ob2.jpg



yea...i kinda grabbed the muffler just cause it was free, but i figured if I dont put it on my car, il give it to my friend who is gona be doing a sr20det project soon

Soooo....let's get this straight.

Someone on the forums was kind enough to offer a muffler up for free, to go to a good home. Someone that could use it. So you take him up on the offer, good for you. Instead of using it, you decide that it would be stupid on your car. So, you pay it forward again and offer it back up for free somewhere, all somone has to do is pick it up, right? Oh, no...that's not it. You lie about it all and try to sell it for $125 on CL? WTF is that move man?

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pts/338030401.html



HKS HiPower Muffler 4.5 inch tip turbo - $125

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Reply to: sale-338030401@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-05-25, 9:40AM EDT


This is a very nice HKS HiPower muffler that came off of my turbo Sentra SER that I sold. It has a 2.5 inch inlet, and a 4.5 inch tip. It was used for about 10k miles and then I swapped to a Nismo exhaust before selling. Muffler is in good shape, still has one hanger welded to it, and small pieces of 3 other hangers. Slightly scratched, but nothing serious. This muffler new is almost 300 dollars, and has a good deep tone, not like the ebay ricer replica mufflers that crackle and pop under load.

I considered putting it on my new civic, but the turbo kit wont be together for quite some time, and it looks way too big for my taste. Here are a few pictures. Email with any questions, and I can take more pictures of it as well. The following pictures are just a dummy fit. I put it on a jack and tried to get it as close to where it would usually be, but the stock muffler was in the way.

Thanks for looking!




Location: Philadelphia
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

PostingID: 338030401

[mtwn]

Soooo....let's get this straight.

Someone on the forums was kind enough to offer a muffler up for free, to go to a good home. Someone that could use it. So you take him up on the offer, good for you. Instead of using it, you decide that it would be stupid on your car. So, you pay it forward again and offer it back up for free somewhere, all somone has to do is pick it up, right? Oh, no...that's not it. You lie about it all and try to sell it for $125 on CL? WTF is that move man?

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pts/338030401.html


OWNED

[whitezenki]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


Even the story screams ricer to the max.

[CHAOS]

wow until i saw that craigslist post i was thinking "jeez guys lay off the kid" but dude come on, who are you trying to fool... at least be honest in the ad... and as far as the mod path goes, coming from someone who used to own a slow car and tried to make it fast, **** WILL BREAK, you will have to replace it, and after that youll replace something else... save your money, buy a house, and then buy a solid starting platform, dont go all out on the civic, i dont even think you should lower it... maybe a small sound system upgrade and some wheels... but dont go overboard cause youre wasting your own time.

[CleanNeon98]

Soooo....let's get this straight.

Someone on the forums was kind enough to offer a muffler up for free, to go to a good home. Someone that could use it. So you take him up on the offer, good for you. Instead of using it, you decide that it would be stupid on your car. So, you pay it forward again and offer it back up for free somewhere, all somone has to do is pick it up, right? Oh, no...that's not it. You lie about it all and try to sell it for $125 on CL? WTF is that move man?

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pts/338030401.html
:roll: My buddy already took it. I made the post just to see how much cash it was actually worth so I wouldnt end up giving him a 150 dollar part for nothing. Best offer I had on it was 45, so I gave it to my friend cause he helped me out with stuff before. And dont try to pin the guilt on me either, becuase Scott was selling it for 25 dollars, and then at the end of the day posted it for free. He just wanted it gone as soon as possible, and I came and snagged it up. Now its going to go on my friend's fastback

[RayArroyo]

:roll: My buddy already took it. I made the post just to see how much cash it was actually worth so I wouldnt end up giving him a 150 dollar part for nothing. Best offer I had on it was 45, so I gave it to my friend.

you have pics of your old ser? i didnt know you had one, why did you get rid of it ? for the neon?

[CleanNeon98]

you have pics of your old ser? i didnt know you had one, why did you get rid of it ? for the neon?

The car it came off of was an SER...besides its not like I BSed about the item itself...half of the people here and on craigslist lie through their asses when they sell things, while I just made a backstory.

[RayArroyo]

The car it came off of was an SER...besides its not like I BSed about the item itself...half of the people here and on craigslist lie through their asses when they sell things, while I just made a backstory.

thats cool i was about to say you were nutz for getting rid of a turbo ser for a neon then a civic

[CleanNeon98]

thats cool i was about to say you were nutz for getting rid of a turbo ser for a neon then a civic
I would never...btw PM me about VTEC fluid mine needs to be topped off.

[whitezenki]

hahahahahaha

[CleanNeon98]

on a completely random note, my Tokico struts and SPC camber kit arrived today :). It was like channukah (sp?) come early as I was tearing through the boxes

[mtwn]

half of the people here and on craigslist lie through their asses when they sell things

i like to see your proof behind that statement.

[BradC]

:roll: My buddy already took it. I made the post just to see how much cash it was actually worth so I wouldnt end up giving him a 150 dollar part for nothing. Best offer I had on it was 45, so I gave it to my friend cause he helped me out with stuff before. And dont try to pin the guilt on me either, becuase Scott was selling it for 25 dollars, and then at the end of the day posted it for free. He just wanted it gone as soon as possible, and I came and snagged it up. Now its going to go on my friend's fastback

I understand it was for sale for $25 first. Still, its not like he was selling it to make money. He listed it cheap, then free, to make room and to hook someone up. You tried to take advantage of that. Who says your "friend taking it" and "using CL to check price" is true, when you lied your ass of in the CL ad?

And from the looks of the piping in his ad, that muffler was on his old MSP. Maybe an SE-R before that, but AFAIK, it was on an MSP. Also, you did BS about that. You said MY turbo SE-R, and bs'ed your way through the rest of the ad.

[CleanNeon98]

i like to see your proof behind that statement.
Do I really have to tell you about scammers??? come on:roll:
I understand it was for sale for $25 first. Still, its not like he was selling it to make money. He listed it cheap, then free, to make room and to hook someone up. You tried to take advantage of that. Who says your "friend taking it" and "using CL to check price" is true, when you lied your ass of in the CL ad?

And from the looks of the piping in his ad, that muffler was on his old MSP. Maybe an SE-R before that, but AFAIK, it was on an MSP. Also, you did BS about that. You said MY turbo SE-R, and bs'ed your way through the rest of the ad.
It was on an SER before....after that I think it WAS on his MSP. I dont have to explain myself to you or anyone. I wanted to get a feel for the price, and sure as hell, im not gona be a dick and post it here right after getting it for free from a member. I got an offer of 45 for it on CL, and gave it to my friend. Goodbye

[CleanNeon98]

Posting pictures in original post now

[mtwn]

Do I really have to tell you about scammers??? come on:roll:



riiight
we all know about scammers

but i doubt half the people on here and on craiglist are scammers.
so pull your head out of your ass.

[CleanNeon98]

riiight
we all know about scammers

but i doubt half the people on here and on craiglist are scammers.
so pull your head out of your ass.

Its just an expression, no need to get sore. The muffler is gone, and we are all going to move on.:roll: Besides dont you people have any problems of your own to think about?

[whitezenki]

ahahahahahaha


you crack me up

[Broken5hift]

Besides dont you people have any problems of your own to think about?

yes, but my problems don't wear jean jackets

[CleanNeon98]

yes, but my problems don't wear jean jackets

then i guess im not your problem cause i wear em proud

[CHAOS]

so cleanneon, what is your goal? what are you trying to achieve with this? im not being a dick im trying to figure out what you want out of this car?

[freebmx444]

cleanneon is a scammer lol

[CleanNeon98]

cleanneon is a scammer lol
not only was that false, but it was completely uncalled for. check my feedback here and on ebay you will see I am an honest seller
so cleanneon, what is your goal? what are you trying to achieve with this? im not being a dick im trying to figure out what you want out of this car?
Just a bit of suspension work to make it carve the turns a bit better. I want to autocross this year.

[CHAOS]

if you want to autoX competitively you need to buy a GOOD set of coilovers... not some cheapo POS's... and good tires... and a good rear sway bar. youll probably be looking at 3-5,000 when IMO.

[goodfella732]

honestly, like most have said, you are really better off selling the car and getting a better platform to start with. The 7th gen chassis is horrible, let alone the bottom of the barrel DX sedan. From the sounds of it also you dont wanna put any kind of serious money or fab work into the car so really you can have the best of both worlds. Your not gonna have a reliable DD and a fun toy out of the civic sedan. Please, either listen to peoples advice or stop posting and arguing with people who know what they are talking about.

[sisforsurfing]

Most important aspect when autocrossing; driver.

My last advice ever for CleanNeon; Stop worrying about what people think of your car and go enter some events, or just enjoy whatever is enjoyable about it. Stop expecting people on the internet to throw you a party when you spend $134 on ebay, and another party when you get it in the mail. And most importantly, stop the backhanded insults ie: calling people pricks.

You get way too worked up over the internet. And for the record, I think going back and selling that muffler on craigslist was appalling, and your excuse (to see how much it was worth) was a terrible cover-up for your dishonesty.

[CleanNeon98]

Most important aspect when autocrossing; driver.

My last advice ever for CleanNeon; Stop worrying about what people think of your car and go enter some events, or just enjoy whatever is enjoyable about it. Stop expecting people on the internet to throw you a party when you spend $134 on ebay, and another party when you get it in the mail. And most importantly, stop the backhanded insults ie: calling people pricks.

You get way too worked up over the internet. And for the record, I think going back and selling that muffler on craigslist was appalling, and your excuse (to see how much it was worth) was a terrible cover-up for your dishonesty.
There was no coverup..i dont understand why this is so hard to believe...i posted it with a price to see how much it was worth...surely i wont post "hey what would you be willing to pay for this muffler" because only a dumbass would reply. Surely, I wouldnt post it here either, seeing as I just got it from a member and it would look questionable. Just because someone says "oh look hes trying to sell something he got for free" doesnt mean everyone else has to jump the bandwagon and ignore the truth. I understand if I had a bad feedback here, that would be a possibility, but its not. Get over it everyone move on with life. The muffler is going on my friends 240sx, end of story, done and over with.

No im not expecting a party, but I am very happy to finally have these parts and am looking forward to getting them on the car..im sure anyone who gets parts in the mail feels as happy as I do.

I will autocross, but I know I wont win (driver and car are a combo here). I just want to go out and have some fun and learn to be a better driver. If I was wanting to be competitive, I would get a set of konis and neuspeed race springs, or tokico D-specs and neuspeed race springs, or in between a set of tokico illuminas and stick with the sport springs. I just want to go out and have fun with the car so the suspension will help a bit. On the flipside, I dont want to leave the track with a rock hard suspension and not be able to tolerate driving on the street. Its a tradeoff im willing to make, especially since this is 50% for looks and 50% for performance.
honestly, like most have said, you are really better off selling the car and getting a better platform to start with. The 7th gen chassis is horrible, let alone the bottom of the barrel DX sedan. From the sounds of it also you dont wanna put any kind of serious money or fab work into the car so really you can have the best of both worlds. Your not gonna have a reliable DD and a fun toy out of the civic sedan. Please, either listen to peoples advice or stop posting and arguing with people who know what they are talking about.
No I am not willing to invest huge money into this civic, because it really ISNT the best platform to work with, so im just doing little things here and there to make it look and ride a touch better. Im not saying "this car is going to be a track demon after these springs".
if you want to autoX competitively you need to buy a GOOD set of coilovers... not some cheapo POS's... and good tires... and a good rear sway bar. youll probably be looking at 3-5,000 when IMO.
Good tires I will invest into no matter what. It would be under 3k for sure because Tein SS are like 1300, and good rubber is 100 a piece. rear sway is 300 with the mounting kit. Well see what happens, for now I want to install these parts and enjoy a car without a monster gap.

[whitezenki]

lol...

7th for views
9th for replies

all the wrong reasons

and just for the record, coils arent a rough ride if you arent a 72 y/o grandma, and what kind of "great" rubber costs 100 bucks a pop for 17's?


skinny wheels FTW i guess?

[CleanNeon98]

lol...

7th for views
9th for replies

all the wrong reasons

and just for the record, coils arent a rough ride if you arent a 72 y/o grandma, and what kind of "great" rubber costs 100 bucks a pop for 17's?


skinny wheels FTW i guess?

the tires I want are 215 40 17 cause my rims are a 17x7. they are 71 a piece. right now i have really bad tires (wanlis)...i steered hard into a turn like i was going straight at around 35-40 and just ripped right hard..the car turned, but all i heard was tire screech. I also felt the rear end start to come out just a little bit...it didnt side, but i felt it start to come out a tad...duno what this means. better rubber should help cure that a bit. its not going to be anything spectacular, but i just want to be able to have some fun when im driving...cant really do that now

[whitezenki]

thats your economy screaming at you to slow down

[CleanNeon98]

thats your economy screaming at you to slow down
or maybe its my tires screaming "suck"

[Signatus230]

the tires I want are 215 40 17 cause my rims are a 17x7. they are 71 a piece. right now i have really bad tires (wanlis)...i steered hard into a turn like i was going straight at around 35-40 and just ripped right hard..the car turned, but all i heard was tire screech. I also felt the rear end start to come out just a little bit...it didnt side, but i felt it start to come out a tad...duno what this means. better rubber should help cure that a bit. its not going to be anything spectacular, but i just want to be able to have some fun when im driving...cant really do that now

Alright, I have ignored this long enough... If you want to go into a corner at 35-40 mph, so be it, but don't do it in your civic. It is, as everyone else says, an economy car, not some auto-x car. If you want to do that safetly, its not just your tires, you have to work your whole suspenion. Also, where are going around corners? On legal streets? Or is this some sort of course, cause if its just around the street, or town, thats just plain stupid. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your car, in its current state really shouldnt be doing that. Next thing you know you T-boned a pole, or hit a curb going 25 mph side ways, and your car is flipped.

[CleanNeon98]

lol@you and your pathetic car. i hope you break an axle autoxing.
i hope you get banned
Alright, I have ignored this long enough... If you want to go into a corner at 35-40 mph, so be it, but don't do it in your civic. It is, as everyone else says, an economy car, not some auto-x car. If you want to do that safetly, its not just your tires, you have to work your whole suspenion. Also, where are going around corners? On legal streets? Or is this some sort of course, cause if its just around the street, or town, thats just plain stupid. Sorry to burst your bubble, but your car, in its current state really shouldnt be doing that. Next thing you know you T-boned a pole, or hit a curb going 25 mph side ways, and your car is flipped.
This was me practicing some things in a large parking lot. Slalom, hard cornering, braking, downshifts, etc.

[whitezenki]

I was coming to say why are you driving civic around right angle turns at those speeds...

but I got beat to it...

But I'll add my thoughts, its stupid, even in a lot, probably even stupider in a lot b/c you dont have as much room to correct or crash...

One time awhile back i took a slight turn at 75 in my jetta at 3AM, back end slid out, tires screamed, all the stuff your talkin about, within a week I had my 240, b/c I knew it was just stupid doing anywhere near that in the Jetta...

I probably havent taken that turn at even 65 in my 240, but I could, and it would be a lot safer than my jetta or your civic

you're risking yours and others lives doing this ****...

[CleanNeon98]

I was coming to say why are you driving civic around right angle turns at those speeds...

but I got beat to it...

But I'll add my thoughts, its stupid, even in a lot, probably even stupider in a lot b/c you dont have as much room to correct or crash...

One time i took a slight turn at 75 in my jetta at 3AM, backend slid out, tires screamed, all the stuff your talkin about, within a week I had my 240...

Youre riskin yours and others lives doin this ****

there is a difference between 75 and 35....especially since im in a big lot worst that will happen is i slide to a stop or if i lose control of the car, i have more room to correct myself. im not risking anyone elses lives, and I dont see how I am risking my own. Also, this wasnt a 90 degree turn, I was just cruising in the lot, and did a hard steer to the right to see how the car would respond to it

[ThePrimerSuspect]

motor mount inserts are definitely needed on that car. it made such a big difference on mine. just takes some time to get used to all the vibrations.
second, DEFINITELY replace your lower control arm bushings. you probably need them now as it is anyway because i've seen them blow out every 10-12k miles if your hard on the suspension, and you will need them when you drop it. i dont know of any aftermarket ones out there, but im sure you could find them.
third, get a decent exhaust. the problem wit the LX is that you cant just slap a catback on there without having it welded (well, you probably could but...) because the cat is part of the manifold. thats why an EX exhaust wouldnt work. mine sounded nice with just a catback and intake, then when i put the header on it was too loud. didnt sound bad, and you could actually hear vtec kick in, just loud. but i will say i definitely felt the difference.
and last, dont expect it to be fast (i already know you dont, im just trying to help you out with my experience with this car). after all was said and done, and i dynoed my car.........at 105 to the wheels (and mind you the EX has about 15 hp over the LX), i went out and bought the SRT. the 7th gen civic is probably the worst civic ever made (01-02 any way......03-05 they fixed the common problems). when i see one roll through the door, i know im making some money if you know what i mean.

[CleanNeon98]

motor mount inserts are definitely needed on that car. it made such a big difference on mine. just takes some time to get used to all the vibrations.
second, DEFINITELY replace your lower control arm bushings. you probably need them now as it is anyway because i've seen them blow out every 10-12k miles if your hard on the suspension, and you will need them when you drop it. i dont know of any aftermarket ones out there, but im sure you could find them.
third, get a decent exhaust. the problem wit the LX is that you cant just slap a catback on there without having it welded (well, you probably could but...) because the cat is part of the manifold. thats why an EX exhaust wouldnt work. mine sounded nice with just a catback and intake, then when i put the header on it was too loud. didnt sound bad, and you could actually hear vtec kick in, just loud. but i will say i definitely felt the difference.
and last, dont expect it to be fast (i already know you dont, im just trying to help you out with my experience with this car). after all was said and done, and i dynoed my car.........at 105 to the wheels (and mind you the EX has about 15 hp over the LX), i went out and bought the SRT. the 7th gen civic is probably the worst civic ever made (01-02 any way......03-05 they fixed the common problems). when i see one roll through the door, i know im making some money if you know what i mean.

yea the exhaust is welded to the DP...my car is fine il get this stuff on and see wht happens. i had control arms replaced not long ago

[CleanNeon98]

Lets make it a general rule of courtesy not just in this thread but in all. If you have nothing positive or negative to say WITHOUT acting like a dickless idiot, dont post. Im really tired of people comin into threads and talking ****. Keith and I dont get along (in the past I dont know if hes taken my apoligy in yet), but he came in, and gave me good solid advice on what to do, and what not to do. Then the rest of TST in its majority had to come in and start talking smack (once again, this isnt everyone). If you have nothing to say, dont speak its really that simple. Negative statements like "the car is a bad platform" are fine. When you come in and say "i hope you break an axle autoxing" its uncalled for.

[MuddyREX]

Lets make it a general rule of courtesy not just in this thread but in all. If you have nothing positive or negative to say WITHOUT acting like a dickless idiot, dont post. Im really tired of people comin into threads and talking ****. Keith and I dont get along (in the past I dont know if hes taken my apoligy in yet), but he came in, and gave me good solid advice on what to do, and what not to do. Then the rest of TST in its majority had to come in and start talking smack (once again, this isnt everyone). If you have nothing to say, dont speak its really that simple. Negative statements like "the car is a bad platform" are fine. When you come in and say "i hope you break an axle autoxing" its uncalled for.


I agree. I have no idea why you catch so much flack for wanting to modify your Civic. Everyone has modified a Civic, and if I knew anything about them, I would offer my help or advice.

I think everyone should get off Alex's ass and leave him the hell alone.

[jspek]

how come i never caught flack for driving a zx2 and autocrossing it with no mods at all? we all have and did start somewhere.

[TROLL]

cleanneon has asked nicely more than once... and now i am. if you cant be mature and respectful, then go elsewhere.

[whitezenki]

Honestly... Mature doesnt go 40+ in a parking lot "slaloming" with an economy car...



Just looking out for his safety, and those around him.

[Sberk06]

economy car? try. ultimate ricer tuner car.

nah im just kidding civics can either be a decent little toy or a complete ricer. please dont be a ricer. Slam the car, get a nicee CF lip on it and maybe some CF eye lids. a real nice exhaust with a good tip and nice tone, cf hood (half painted maybe) and some black rims. the car will look good.
add on the basic bolt ons (cam gears, headers, intake, hondata ecu, ect) and you'll have a fun car. weight reduction in the car is key.

[CleanNeon98]

Honestly... Mature doesnt go 40+ in a parking lot "slaloming" with an economy car...



Just looking out for his safety, and those around him.
There was noone around me, and I can look out for my own safety; mind you im not 6 anymore. It was in an empty parking lot, not on the street..if doing these things in a parking lot is unsafe, I guess so are all of the local autocross races held in large open lots.:roll:
economy car? try. ultimate ricer tuner car.

nah im just kidding civics can either be a decent little toy or a complete ricer. please dont be a ricer. Slam the car, get a nicee CF lip on it and maybe some CF eye lids. a real nice exhaust with a good tip and nice tone, cf hood (half painted maybe) and some black rims. the car will look good.
add on the basic bolt ons (cam gears, headers, intake, hondata ecu, ect) and you'll have a fun car. weight reduction in the car is key.
Cam gears, headers, ecu are not available for my car....thats how bad it is. I will get it lowered and decide if I want to do anything else. More than likely, I will throw a front lip on it of some kind.

[foss]

the only reason i said that is because everytime i tried to give you serious advice you act like i'm trying to offend you. then you act ignorant. then you try to sell a muffler that was donated to you. what i said was kinda dickish, but i was just pissed off. about this subject, i'm done with it obviously you don't want to hear real advice because you just overlook it.

[CleanNeon98]

the only reason i said that is because everytime i tried to give you serious advice you act like i'm trying to offend you. then you act ignorant. then you try to sell a muffler that was donated to you. what i said was kinda dickish, but i was just pissed off. about this subject, i'm done with it obviously you don't want to hear real advice because you just overlook it.
real advice comes in positive and negative forms, not ignorant like you gave. Ive covered the muffler discussion more than enough, and I wont do it again. Goodbye

[TROLL]

my opinion...?
you shouldnt mod this car. there's no aftermarket for it, unless you want to add show parts, most of which are ricey. sorry... its just not cost effective to work on this car. Instead of putting thousands into it, save it and in time trade up to something with at least a bit of potential.
I also dont think you should start a hundred threads asking for advice on this or that, especially when you dont follow through on pretty much any of them. quality over quantity, especially when starting new threads.
oh and one more thing, and this one is important so listen up... stop responding to the naysayers! you're fueling the fire and making it worse. you're mucking up your own thread for crissake.

[CleanNeon98]

^^
I plan to get this drop and maybe a lip and leave it at that. For my next car I might get a WRX or something of the likes, but thats a way away, so I wont worry myself with it now.

[Danronian]

I think simply lowering one of these civics and daily driving it is probably the best route. I have a civic hatch that is SUPER slow, but it's slammed, and I like it a lot.

Even if you don't go through with the whole tuner theme, civics can still be great cars to have as a daily driver.

[ThePrimerSuspect]

k20 swap........i worked with a guy who did one in his coupe, it was nasty. no traction til top of third, but on the highway he ate my SRT. was kinda expensive though. i think he said he spent like $6k+ on the swap and did everything himself (then again, almost everything was brand new). i looked into that swap, and then thought about boosting it. but in the end, i just didnt like the car enough to keep it. thats the thing you gotta do. i know you said you want something different, but do you like the car enough to dump money into it now? i used to get compliments all the time on mine, people loved the exhaust and so did i because no one else had it (i wish i had pics). but as far as the car went, it was slow, i was always breaking ****, and every single goddamn time i saw another one on the road it was a chick driving!! that and i blew it up and didnt feel like fixing it.

[CleanNeon98]

too much money bro its not worth it to me. i like the car, i love driving it, its reliable, great on gas, and more or less comfortable, but I dont like it that much to toss that much money in

[stover]

H22 swap anyone... just throwing the idea out there because it is not done anymore and the prices have droped on the engines because K20s are in such higher demand...

[Danronian]

H22 swap anyone... just throwing the idea out there because it is not done anymore and the prices have droped on the engines because K20s are in such higher demand...

I don't really get the idea he wants to drop that kind of cash on this car. :o

H-mounts and axles, if they do have them for this strange year civic, cost pretty much too.

[CleanNeon98]

3000 views....yay

[ketchup!]

how much of a drop is it, because if its not more than a 2.0 drop then your wasting your time.

[CleanNeon98]

how much of a drop is it, because if its not more than a 2.0 drop then your wasting your time.

it should settle at almost 2

[Jourdan]

^^
I plan to get this drop and maybe a lip and leave it at that. For my next car I might get a WRX or something of the likes, but thats a way away, so I wont worry myself with it now.

no...

[CleanNeon98]

no...

sorry mother :roll: . dont be ignorant and stop posting if you have no good advice

[Snoozie]

maybe that was good advise?

[Broken5hift]

maybe that was good advise?

advice* :mrgreen:

[Snoozie]

advice* :mrgreen:

listen you. i just got to work and no coffee yet......

[CleanNeon98]

him trying to tell me not to get a WRX?? no i really dont think so. it was pointless

[Snoozie]

just like arguing. :mrgreen:

[CleanNeon98]

just like arguing. :mrgreen:

touche

[Broken5hift]

him trying to tell me not to get a WRX?? no i really dont think so. it was pointless

well hopefully he ment it more as a "the car is a lot more complex to work on and upgrade than a civic (in general)" and not, "you suck dont buy the same car as me."

however it was probably the later of the two.


anyways. Theres nothing wrong with installing parts yourself, i see a bunch of members have offered to help you install parts (which is awesome of them). however, i gotta say, if you dont have the right tools and your on an inclined slope your setting yourself up for 1. failure 2. one hell of an install.

I noticed earlier you keep breaking your control arms that your putting on. you thought you had them on too tight but in reality you probably didnt have them on tight enough. its things like that, that stand out in my mind when you go to install all these parts. suspension is easy if you know what your doing, but if you dont you can **** some serious **** up. especially if your not using the right tools. Am I saying you should just save up your money and bring it somewhere and get it done right, no (even though that would be the smartest thing to do). I just think you should make sure you plan ahead so when it comes time to do the install you know what needs to be done instead of trying to figure it out as you go and your cars fukt on the side of the road at 1am.

99% of modding your car is having the parts installed correctly. you can spend a ton of money on parts and then try and save money on the install and royally screw yourself and your car. it doesnt make sense.

for example a buddy of mine has a friend with a supercharged mustang. he spent a ton of cash buying all these add ons and so forth to really get the most out of his new supercharger. then he found some guy who would put his stuff on for cheap instead of having it done right by a professional. two days later he was on the side of the road with a blown motor, supercharger pulley wrapped around his pulleys to the point they had to be replaced and a leaking rear end diff. all because he wanted to save money on the install and now he has to put out double if not triple just to get back to stock.

so when i see someone trying to cut corners with installs i cant help but :roll:

but i know you want to learn how to do these things so more power to you. being able to work on a car is great.

so, good luck

[CleanNeon98]

:bump: for new pic in 1st post

[CHAOS]

looks funny with steelies.

[CleanNeon98]

looks funny with steelies.

a bit, but it was worse with 3 rims and a steelie..when/if i get my rim repaired they will go back on...BTW a question

Is it too much to strech a 205 60 14 tire to a 14x5 wheel??

[CHAOS]

haha thatll look weird if it works... why r u trying to do that?

[Danronian]

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/81/1002785be0.jpg

Looks pretty good. I'd stick the hubcaps back on and it might look better. I don't know why, but I always liked lowered cars with OEM caps for some reason.

[Nors]

Looks good, even better when you know it was done right

[whitezenki]

maybe its the angle, but it still looks stock to me

[D Money]

a bit, but it was worse with 3 rims and a steelie..when/if i get my rim repaired they will go back on...BTW a question

Is it too much to strech a 205 60 14 tire to a 14x5 wheel??

That would NOT be a stretch. a 14x5 wheel is skinny as hell, and a 205/60 is tall as hell. :cool:

maybe its the angle, but it still looks stock to me

I dunno dude, he was saying his car was slow and low or something, and referring to it as being slammed. He isn't even tucking 205/60's!!!! :mrgreen:

[james_ls]

That would NOT be a stretch. a 14x5 wheel is skinny as hell, and a 205/60 is tall as hell. :cool:



I dunno dude, he was saying his car was slow and low or something, and referring to it as being slammed. He isn't even tucking 205/60's!!!! :mrgreen:

D take it easy.

Not everyone can be as low as us.

[D Money]

True life James, true life. But I would think with such a tall tire the car would have less wheel gap. I wonder how it would look with a lower profile tire, hmm....

Shoulda got the coilovers Cleanneon.

[CleanNeon98]

That would NOT be a stretch. a 14x5 wheel is skinny as hell, and a 205/60 is tall as hell. :cool:



I dunno dude, he was saying his car was slow and low or something, and referring to it as being slammed. He isn't even tucking 205/60's!!!! :mrgreen:
right now im running on 185 65 14s...rear has to settle a bit more

[Danronian]

I found that within about one to three days, all of the new springs/coilovers I've owned would settle.

[CleanNeon98]

the ones on the left side settled, im still waiting for the right to come around so i can get aligned. car feels much better now, and looks nicer. guys, my goal from this was to lower the car and get a nicer cleaner meaner look, not tuck tire and try to go as low as everyone else. D, yes your car is lower than mine, but you also have a lip kit which makes it look even lower than it is. I am happy with the new look and ride, and il take pix when I clean the car up and everything is settled and aligned

I also have to get new tie rod ends (my bushings are busted) and aftermarket endlinks because mine keep snapping.

[D Money]

What does my lip kit have to do with my wheel gap? There is none...

I didn't compare my car to yours, I simply said that your car didn't really go down that much and definately isn't slammed.

I really can't see it settling that much, maybe a little but nothing you will really notice.

GL with the alignment...

[KawBoy]

I didnt feel like readin through all this garbage

Are they cut springs or what?

What happend to your rims? wtfs up with the steelies

[RayArroyo]

springs and struts still have alot of settleing to do, the suspension is really nice. id give it about 5 days before we caan judge the drop. his setup is actually really nice.

[dubjinc]

I think it looks classy, for the most part, but it looks good.

[ketchup!]

either dump it or change the title of the thread claiming ur low

[dubjinc]

What happened to the rims?

[xEJ20x]

either dump it or change the title of the thread claiming ur low

As I recall, there was a time that you weren't lowered yourself.

[Danronian]

As I recall, there was a time that you weren't lowered yourself.

I kinda agree. There is a big difference b/t dumped and lowered. His car is nicely lowered, but not dumped, which is something he's not claiming to be either. :wink:

Edit: And after looking at a pic or two of your car, that silver 99-00 civic isn't dumped either. Not saying it doesn't look good, but dumped it is not.

Refer to dumped cars here:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1865873

Now this car defines dumped nicely:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k100/10MinSi/My%20car/DSC01906.jpg

[CleanNeon98]

to answer everyone's questions, my rims got messed up when I nailed a missing chunk of pavement doing about 60-70mph. The repair is pricey, and the tires are trash, im not really looking forward to spending 400 dollars on repairs to them, and tires. If I can find a nice set of rotas or something of the likes for a good price, il snag them up, but for now, the rims are for sale at best offer. I remember streetassasin96 (i think that was the username) wanted them sometime ago. Thanks ray for the support and awesome job (didnt expect anything less really). Shoot me a PM for install of the new endlinks, and tie rod ends....although after saturday night's encounter with the car, you may not want to touch it again cause its such a pain. Il probbably have a go at making my own front strut bar, and I found that OBX is not making a rear sway kit for the em2/es1 chassis with endlinks (that I wont use il have better ones) and all bushings and mounting hardware for a slim 120 dollars (19mm bar). Il keep the thread updated as the work is being done. Here is a pic of the left side thats just about down all the way. to speed up the process a bit, il probbably throw something heavy into the trunk so the rear comes down sooner, because I have some positive camber in the front and negative in the rear, maybe some toe, so I want it all down and aligned so i dont kill my tires. Another pic

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5337/image168qv3.jpg
Once again thanks to everyone who has and is helping me, and to those who support me. To those who dont like what I do, thats fine, to each their own.

Here is a before shot of the car with steelies on it...it might not look "lowered" when you see te after, but when you compare that and the before, its much nicer
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3673/16302469so9.jpg
While the drop isnt huge at 1.5 inches in the rear and 1.75 in the front (the front of the car is a bit higher than the rear stock, kinda like the altima or something with the fender bein higher up front), paired with the tokico shocks it gives a great ride. smooth and comfortable under regular driving, and stiff under hard cornering...even with some positive camber up front, the car feels tighter and there seems to be a bit less understeer (despite having a non-working sway bar lol)

[ThePrimerSuspect]

shoot me a pm and ill hook you up with the links and tie rods. oh, and why did ray tell me he was gonna reuse your stock struts? or was that someone elses 01 civic?

[Danronian]

Lookin much better in those pics.

If you want to do something new with those steelies, I've seen some pretty nice two-tone spray jobs done on them. The ones I liked, the guy painted the outer "lip" of the steely silver...kinda looked better than all black I thought. But most will hate on that...then again, who cares.

[CleanNeon98]

shoot me a pm and ill hook you up with the links and tie rods. oh, and why did ray tell me he was gonna reuse your stock struts? or was that someone elses 01 civic?

no...i first wanted to use my stockers, but decided against it. I want aftermarket endlinks and tie rod ends because the whole front suspension on the 01/02 civics is chronically ill, so I wana do the preventive treatment and just make it all nice and solid. I found endlinks from moog for 35 each and tie rod ends for 45 a piece. send me your prices if you can get beefier links and ends, but ray told me it was like 29 and change for each of the tie rod ends so il see what he can get the links for maybe il just have him order everything and install it (given that he still wants to work on my car)...BTW after the tie rod ends are replaced, a new alignment isnt required is it?

[Danronian]

Never required, especially if you measure to make sure they are on just like the old ones, but it probably would be a good idea. (Then again, a lot of places will gouge the hell out of you for alignments on lowered cars. I know locally, there isn't a place that would touch my lowered integra for under $200!)

[Nors]

Moog rules when it comes to suspension, they have been in the industry for countless years and anyone you talk to (especially old timers) will praise them.

Yes after replacing tie rods an alignment should be done. You can count threads to get you close, but I would still reccomend and alignment. Toe can eat up tires quick.

[ThePrimerSuspect]

no...i first wanted to use my stockers, but decided against it. I want aftermarket endlinks and tie rod ends because the whole front suspension on the 01/02 civics is chronically ill, so I wana do the preventive treatment and just make it all nice and solid. I found endlinks from moog for 35 each and tie rod ends for 45 a piece. send me your prices if you can get beefier links and ends, but ray told me it was like 29 and change for each of the tie rod ends so il see what he can get the links for maybe il just have him order everything and install it (given that he still wants to work on my car)...BTW after the tie rod ends are replaced, a new alignment isnt required is it?

i ALWAYS align cars after replacing suspension components or tires. and as far as aftermarket parts, i personally dont like going that route on hondas unless its for performance, and i really dont see what your gonna get out of "performance" endlinks and tie rods except headaches.

[CleanNeon98]

i ALWAYS align cars after replacing suspension components or tires. and as far as aftermarket parts, i personally dont like going that route on hondas unless its for performance, and i really dont see what your gonna get out of "performance" endlinks and tie rods except headaches.

not having them snap and pop on me. I drive my car HARD and I plan to take it to autocross events, so I think its better to just get the stuff solid before I get in there, than come with some crappy parts and snap half of them by the time im done my first heat

BTW guys, im not replacing the whole tie rod, just the ends of them

[CleanNeon98]

for endlinks, im going with Grey's...he makes them custom for my car, and ive heard all good things. they dont use a bushing system, but a swivel. Here are some pix, and at 54.99 a pair shipped, its basically what I paid for my crappy ass sankei ones, and NOONE has had them break or bend, even with bigger aftermarket bars.

http://users.wpi.edu/~dobosz/V1.3_Articulation_S.jpeg
http://users.wpi.edu/~dobosz/V1.3_Mounted_S.jpeg
http://users.wpi.edu/~dobosz/V1.3_Scale_S.jpeg

only downside is I hear they make a bit of noise, but its something I can live with knowing that I am riding on good parts.

[Danronian]

Those look like some nice parts. But what keeps the joints from corroding in the winter? Stainless I presume?

[whitezenki]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2774/image139yc5.jpg
you hit this pothole at 70 mph? I bet the speed limit there is 35, why do you feel the need to go 70 in a residential area?

seems stupid to me

[ketchup!]

I kinda agree. There is a big difference b/t dumped and lowered. His car is nicely lowered, but not dumped, which is something he's not claiming to be either. :wink:

Edit: And after looking at a pic or two of your car, that silver 99-00 civic isn't dumped either. Not saying it doesn't look good, but dumped it is not.



actually i was pretty dumped, heres a pic for reference, but since then i had to raise it up because my dp and oil return line sit low

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v684/thebeast18974/njmeet.jpg

[Spocknasty]

Welcome to the world of "what was that noise.......okay, I'm still alive.." swivel connectors.

[CleanNeon98]

Those look like some nice parts. But what keeps the joints from corroding in the winter? Stainless I presume?
duno
Welcome to the world of "what was that noise.......okay, I'm still alive.." swivel connectors.

???

[Danronian]

He meants they'll be noisy as hell sometimes, and you'll think your car fell apart and your going to crash and die...but then you just realize, oh yeah, it's that noisy part I just installed.

[CleanNeon98]

i already ordered moog tie rod ends and links with actual blockers on them...finally this is gona be done and over with

[RayArroyo]

i already ordered moog tie rod ends and links with actual blockers on them...finally this is gona be done and over with

good move, i felt uncomfortable with your stockers as they are completely trashed

[CleanNeon98]

the links arent moog ones though

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120119060436&rd=1,1

thats them

if you look at the threaded part, you will see as you move down towards the head that there is a metal piece there that i call the blocker. anyway, the OEM ones had it, but the sankei ones didnt, so I had no choice but to tighten them all the way down, and they had to room to actually move around and kept breaking.

right now i have to drive very carefully because since the car is lower the sway bar and control arm are closer together, and every time i hit a bump (not small ones but potholes and stuff) i hear a sound coming from there...

[Nors]

Maybe a washer could of helped things out, but doing it right is always better.

[whitezenki]

All the Ebay in this thread makes my head hurt


endlinks look good tho

[ryanALLDAY]

loose the steelies

[xEJ20x]

actually i was pretty dumped, heres a pic for reference, but since then i had to raise it up because my dp and oil return line sit low

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v684/thebeast18974/njmeet.jpg

If you haven't punch a hole in an oil pan yet, then you aren't dumped.

[CleanNeon98]

how do you guys think these would be??

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/pts/349706909.html

http://images.craigslist.org/01010601021101031220070611d4bcae98155c67e96d003983 .jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/0101000102020103062007061132772084eb8cc9d04b00a546 .jpg

[Danronian]

how do you guys think these would be??

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/pts/349706909.html

http://images.craigslist.org/01010601021101031220070611d4bcae98155c67e96d003983 .jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/0101000102020103062007061132772084eb8cc9d04b00a546 .jpg

Not worth $300 IMO. If they were $150, maybe. For that much you could do with something like blades or LS mesh wheels, which I think look a lot better, but it's your car.

[RayArroyo]

yeah not my style , an not a good price, check the back of magazines if you want cheap you can pick up some nice wheel tire package

[CleanNeon98]

yeah not my style , an not a good price, check the back of magazines if you want cheap you can pick up some nice wheel tire package

i want something light and decent looking..i really like the motegi traklite wheels but they are 342 or something like that per wheel no tire

[ThePrimerSuspect]

i got 2 gsr wheels with tires. decent shape. they're not mine but im sure the guy would let them go cheap.

[CleanNeon98]

lol i would like to have 4

[ThePrimerSuspect]

2 is a start. if i still had my civic i definitely would snatch these up.

[allspoolin4]

funk all this, go to a vw junkyard and look for 93 gti wheels, or go to a junkyard in general, i got my vw wheels for 70 bucks w/tires

[Danronian]

I sold the set of almost mint meshy wheels I had for $250 w/o tires, but you can easily find other meshies or GSR wheels for that price, and they look pretty good on any Honda IMO.

[CleanNeon98]

well since the last picture were bad and blurry and not settled, i took a few more. setted more now i think its how its gona be and i like it

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8823/frontangleql4.jpg

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9206/frontangle2va1.jpg

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8620/sidesm9.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9167/rearangleuy6.jpg

Here are the pictures of the gap up close. the pic of the rear you can see the strut and spring through the holes in the wheel...look at the top left holes.
Front
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3620/frontgapvh6.jpg
Rear
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7967/reargaphr4.jpg

[Broken5hift]

buy black housing headlights, a blacked out grill and black front lip

[BradC]

Was that car hit?

[CleanNeon98]

Was that car hit?

yes, before i owned it though. once it was hit on the side...or sideswiped..thats why the headlight doesnt lign up, and it was also lightly hit in the rear

[TurboTagTeam]

THat sticker is hella crooked.

[CleanNeon98]

THat sticker is hella crooked.

yea i gota grab another one from brian at the next meet i go to

[Broken5hift]

did you take a running start to put it on?