Eibach or Tein Springs

[Uberu]

My dad is letting me put springs on my car for xmas. I know eibach makes lowering springs for my car, but they also are made for the wrx, same model number and everything. Will that also apply to the tein springs...if they are made for a wrx, will they fit my 2.5i?

[Renegade_]

I would think so, last of know of the struts are similar between the models

[2000MRDC2]

id do the teins jake the eibachs arent much of a drop

[TROLL]

tein s techs blow... all looks at the expense of hurting performance. tein h techs are a decent choice though. when i was buying my car one of the main differences was the 'sport' suspension offered on the WRX but i have no technical info to back that up. i believe they take the same springs but like i said in the pm, call someone who sells a lot of them and get a definite.
you could also get perrin springs which are really nice. i have a set of 04+ (WRX or STi) Perrins brand new for sale if you are interested.

[ILikeItSideways]

if you are sticking with the stock struts, don't drop your car more than .5" to 1". You can order custom springs from eibach(and for fairly cheap). And you can't beat their million mile warranty. so as long as you know what spring rates you want, the OD of the coil, and the length of the springs eibach is a great choice. They have a catalogue of standard springs they have in stock. I think 8" or 10" is the stock length. I ordered 10" springs with my Ground Control coil sleeves and I placed them next to my stockers, and they were the same length. I don't know about the '06's though.
Given that though, You can choose how much you want to drop your car by.

here is the catalogue of their springs: http://eibach.com/eibach/img/ers-catalog-2004.pdf

What kind of handling do you want to get out of new springs? A la more oversteer? More neutral handling?

[wrx_snobordr]

Stay FAR FAR away from the Tein s-techs, they are the worst springs ever. After I rid myself of the trash S-Techs i got prodrives and LOVED them. Perfect drop, IMHO, and the handling was amazing. I had them matched up with a set of KYB AGX's and a 22mm rear sway bar with perrin end links and the car felt real nice.

Good luck on the decision and enjoy!

[D Money]

Get Tein S-techs. They are fine.

[TROLL]

Get Tein S-techs. They are fine.
ok i get it, it makes sense now... you just want to make sure nobody every mistakes you for someone who has even an ounce of worry for anything performance oriented. now that i realize this a heavy weight has been lifted from my shoulders! :)

[RyanG]

using S-techs. with AGX's. I have ZERO complaints with that setup.

[D Money]

ok i get it, it makes sense now... you just want to make sure nobody every mistakes you for someone who has even an ounce of worry for anything performance oriented. now that i realize this a heavy weight has been lifted from my shoulders! :)

No.

You don't see me running tein s-techs now do you? I said they were fine.

I have Tein Flex's, the new ones, and I bought them brand new not used....:wink:

[ILikeItSideways]

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/category.php/CA=25

Just FYI. They worth taking a look at. I can vouch for them as can several auto-x'ers and even some pro rally guru's.

[Renegade_]

Personally I will go with the prodrives when I set up my car - They drop the car like an inch to an inch and a half and have stiffer rates which you want. On another note the Prodrive springs are produced by eibach I believe

[bkotzman00]

SPT pinks are also a good choice with a low drop and good rates, but the H-techs are a good spring

[Uberu]

The sti pinks only drop my car like 20 mm or something like that. I will look into the prodrives. Can anybody vouch for any othe product?

I just found Perrin Tunersport Springs for my car that lower 1.9 f and 1.5 rear, can anybody tell me if perrin springs are nice and how stiff they are?

[ILikeItSideways]

Can anybody vouch for any othe product?


See post #5 and #11


1.9 is almost too much for the stock struts...

[Uberu]

Thanks ilikeitsideways, i'm almost positive that i am ordering the ground control coilover conversion kit

[RyanG]

you dont plan on putting the Ground Controls on your stock struts do you? The dampening rate on the stock struts is not enough for a linear rate spring such as the GC's. You WILL destroy the struts as well as have a very harsh an unpredictable ride. bad mojo my friend. I really dont think you will like GC's for everyday driving. You should go with a progresive rate spring set up. The autocross guys like them because of the stiffness.

[slavetothemuzic]

My advice would be, consider your long term goal regarding your suspension setup, then make the proper choice.

If you don't, you're just pissing away money.

If you really want to make the car handle, coilovers like the Tein Type Flex are probably more in line with what you're looking for. If you just want to lower your car, grab some Eibach springs and be done with it. Just remember, that if you use nearly any aftermarket lowering spring with your stock shocks/struts, they're going to blow them out. They weren't designed to work with those springs. Best bet is to replace both at the same time.

But like I said, evaluate what your long term goal is before you drop $500-600 on springs/struts and decide what you want to do. It sucks waiting to make it happen, but in the long term, you spend a lot less money because you didn't buy a setup you won't be happy with and have to change it again.

[Uberu]

My ultimate goal is to autox this car. I want to lower my car at leat a little bit, but i'm way more worried about performance. I want a stiff spring. My brother had gc's on his spec-v and never had any problems and his car handled like it was on rails

[Uberu]

you dont plan on putting the Ground Controls on your stock struts do you? The dampening rate on the stock struts is not enough for a linear rate spring such as the GC's. You WILL destroy the struts as well as have a very harsh an unpredictable ride. bad mojo my friend. I really dont think you will like GC's for everyday driving. You should go with a progresive rate spring set up. The autocross guys like them because of the stiffness.

Its hard to find springs i want that are progressive because progressive springs never give spring rates. And gc said their coilover conv. kit was designed using the stock struts.

[RyanG]

Its hard to find springs i want that are progressive because progressive springs never give spring rates. And gc said their coilover conv. kit was designed using the stock struts.

I hear ya there. Sprint i believe gives rates as well as Eibach. I know with Eibach if you tell them what you are looking for they will make you custom setups.The GC's are designed using the stock struts. Meaning for FITMENT purposes. :)

[Buster]

DOnt listen to the poeple who have loads to blow on prodrives and Perrin ****. I have had S-Techs on my car for over a year and they also have about 22k on them. My car drives great, handles great. and looks great. Tons of people have used them. In fact WKDERF has had his on for longer than me and his car is a awesome shape. Buy what you can afford not what everyone says you need. Need proof theyre okay heres a pic.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScoobyKeith205/keithside1.jpg

[Uberu]

They look good, and i have about 400 to spend on springs. its pretty much between the tein's and the ground control coilover conv.kit

[ILikeItSideways]

They look good, and i have about 400 to spend on springs. its pretty much between the tein's and the ground control coilover conv.kit

Glad to hear you looked into GC's! And since you can choose the spring rate's, you can choose rates that won't be too harsh on the stock struts.
FWIW adjustable ride height is worth its weight in gold.

[LSHatch]

Ground Control

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Ground Control

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Ground Control

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[LSHatch]

Catch my drift? haha.

[ILikeItSideways]

Ground Control

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[Uberu]

Its Done! I ordered the ground controls last night at like 1030. Also on the way is a front sway bar, and most likely front end links

[ILikeItSideways]

Awesome!
What spring rates/lengths did you get?

[Buster]

You need a rear sway bar not a front. Thats not really going to help you. the front is already i think 22m while your rear is 17m.

[Renegade_]

money to blow on prodrives?

The prodrive springs are 230 bucks for the GC chassis and 270 (I think, depends on the site) for the GBD chassis

[Buster]

as apposed to 175 tops for TEIN?

[ILikeItSideways]

he already ordered the GC's...

[arkadyzv]

I went with the Tein H-Techs for my 05 2.5Rs. It feels so much better than stock , I was going to go with S-Techs but then I read all that **** about them blowing stock struts and decided against it. I'm glad I did because the drop with the H-techs is perfect, its low enough to not be bothersome where you are scrape on every speedbump and anything else thats raised.

Oh definetly do swaybars, I dont know if they did something new with the 06's but the 05s and below I think have like 13mm sways all around. Honestly the exhaust hangers are thicker, no wonder the car rolls like a fat bitch.Even the 17mm stock wrx sways are a good upgrade and can be had for fairly cheap.

Lastly if you have left over monies , get the Kartboy SS , it honestly makes the car soo much nicer to drive.

[Renegade_]

its 17 front, 13 rear on the GC bodies, I could easily see the 2.5i/RSs being the same way (GD)

[TROLL]

Perrin springs are $200-$220 all day long... I hope to God I never blindly choose one brand over another because of a $15 price difference. Lets not forget the car costs ~$25k before you add the $5-10k extra in interest if you're making payments.
And I've got a new Perrin rear sway bar and endlinks sitting in my garage for sale in case anyone is interested :)

[Uberu]

if the perrin rear sway fits my car, which i heard it does, how much you looking to get rid of it for? The endlinks too?

[Buster]

Sell the FSB keep the endlinks and Buy Trolls RSB and endlinks. Hasnt your brother taught you anything? :)

[Renegade_]

If you just throw a bigger FSB on your car you will gain nothing but understear...

Albeit you will lose some lateral weight transfer in the front

[Buster]

Sell the FSB keep the endlinks and Buy Trolls RSB and endlinks. Hasnt your brother taught you anything? :)


Thats why I said that.