TROLL's 2007 Bugeye STi: Made it into the Top Scoob Classic Round 2... dayum!

[TROLL]

and the grand finale...


Click here for the Full Gallery #6 (http://s324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/)

blockoff plate for air pump
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8908.jpg

air pump removed
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8915.jpg

engine coming back together
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8919.jpg

crash bar going back in
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8921.jpg

fmic is on
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8924.jpg

we needed more video
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8937.jpg

buy one of these for break bleeding <3
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8939.jpg

perfectly spliced headlight wiring... oem as fuk
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8947.jpg

oh yes, the engine is running in this pic
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8969.jpg

bumper, headlights, grill, fender liners...
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8985.jpg

and the last few 'favs'

good to drive pretty much
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_8999.jpg

sexy dash
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_9004.jpg

well that was easy, maybe we'll actually do a challenging swap next time... justy sti?
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_9009.jpg

oem as fuk
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/btroll/STi%20Engine%20Swap/Gallery%206/DSC_9020.jpg

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[WKderF]

someone needs to take pics 45 through 48 & make a .GIF


vypurr??????

[teh DIRT]

im on it fred. thats awesome.

[z'd up]

ATC shirt ftmfw!!! lol, reppin the royal blue.

[xEJ20x]

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/stiengineswap/stiswapgallery6/images/DSC_8939.jpg

Power bleeders ftmfw.

[CleanNeon98]

Looks good contrats. Just curious, why did you do the swap? more power? more possibilities for power? problems with old engine?

[TROLL]

for the same reason a dog licks his balls... because he can.



but really, its just a better motor all around. i just made 270/250 on the old motor... i think i'll make 100 more ft lbs on the new one with similar mods, and there's room to grow from there.

[xEJ20x]

Looks good contrats. Just curious, why did you do the swap? more power? more possibilities for power? problems with old engine?

Its the 3 B's....
Bigger motor. Better gear ratios. Bragging rights.

[Renegade_]

Looks good contrats. Just curious, why did you do the swap? more power? more possibilities for power? problems with old engine?

It is superior to his old motor in every way, shape, and form.

There is really nothing about the old motor that you would take over this one, ever.

[CleanNeon98]

for the same reason a dog licks his balls... because he can.



but really, its just a better motor all around. i just made 270/250 on the old motor... i think i'll make 100 more ft lbs on the new one with similar mods, and there's room to grow from there.

Good stuff. Straightforward type of swap or needed fabrication? Seems like you guys pulled it off pretty quickly

[Renegade_]

Good stuff. Straightforward type of swap or needed fabrication? Seems like you guys pulled it off pretty quickly

subarus are legos.

No fabbing needed. Any 4 cyl from any subaru you can make fit in any other subaru that had a 4 cyl in it. Hell, even the 6 cylinders swap into GCs without too many problems other than wiring.

[teh DIRT]

there was actually some fabrication involved....but nothing we can't handle.

[TROLL]

not only will this motor make more power, but it will make power sooner due ot the extra .5L and the AVCS that the STi motor comes with. it is also a semiclosed deck as opposed to the open deck of the 2.0L making it stronger so if i want to go to a bigger turbo or run higher boost, i can. its also going to make more torque than hp, something that i've never seen the 2.0L do.
and lets not forget all the extra goodies that coming along with it like the auto climate control, auto integrated dccd controller, gauge cluster, shift light, etc etc.

example:

2.0L WRX engine with stock sti turbo, sti tmic, sti injectors, aftermarket exhaust, and a tune: ~280 hp, ~260 ft lbs.

2007 2.5L STi engine with sti stock turbo, sti tmic, injectors, aftermarket exhaust and a tune: ~310 hp, ~340 ft lbs.

and the gap will just continue to widen with mods. i am using the stock turbo but adding a few other goodies and expect to be a good bit over the numbers i listed above after a tune.

[Nors]

lol @ the steering wheel fiasco.

"*pissed off words*...superman put this wheel on with kryptonite"

[Renegade_]

2007 2.5L STi engine with sti stock turbo, sti tmic, injectors, aftermarket exhaust and a tune: ~310 hp, ~340 ft lbs.
Quit being modest :mrgreen:

people are pulling over 370 ft/lbs with with a turboback and a tune with these - I want to see this thing sometime. Bring it out to some meets when its fully broken in.

[Nors]

Was all the laughing during the clutch bleeding (I think thats what was going on?) because he took the steering wheel of by accident while the other dude couldn't get it off while trying?

[teh DIRT]

no, but that did happen and it was funny.



We were laughing because I wasnt expecting it to come off even though I was the one who placed it on there 5 mins earlier with no bolt. And the look on my face when it let go was amazing...is was shocked to hell.

[Blkmax]

cool vid, it was funny when they were trying to get the steering wheel off and bryan said something along the lines of "im an animal behind the wheel" haha it was just random

[Shades of Gray]

C'mon Bryan! Finish what you started! How could you go through all that to not finish one last detail to complete a COMPLETE STI swap? THE BLUE CARPET! c'mon now, you say something to me about it...hypocrit! lol

I know someone willing to trade their blue sti carpet for your black carpet...hint hint hint:lol:

[TROLL]

i have gray carpet, but i'm on a passive hunt for black carpet though, and i definitely need new floormats regardless...

[naDintheHat]

To a job well done :thumbup:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/drwmg3/TST%20Stuff/2_resized.gif

[xEJ20x]

i have gray carpet, but i'm on a passive hunt for black carpet though, and i definitely need new floormats regardless...

I'm on the same hunt for black carpet, 04 front and rear seats, and 02 brushed aluminum trim.

[Buster]

okay just one real question. you are clearly worried about breaking the engine in properly, but with an absolutely disgusting filter?

[teh DIRT]

okay just one real question. you are clearly worried about breaking the engine in properly, but with an absolutely disgusting filter?

a dirty LOOKING filter doesnt really affect anything. It means that it did and is doing its job. Although, I am sure bryan is gona clean it.

[Shades of Gray]

i have gray carpet, but i'm on a passive hunt for black carpet though, and i definitely need new floormats regardless...

Let me reiterate...i know someone willing to trade blue carpet with blue STI floor mats for GRAY carpet!(in good condition of corse)

[Nors]

The answer to this is probably in here somewhere but..


I thought that was a used motor, why would you need to break it in?

Unless you went 100% baller and bought a longblock from a dealership :eek:

[teh DIRT]

its BARELY used...like didnt reach the break in point used.

[Nors]

I see, where'd he pick that up from? Thats a great find, awesome that its used and only a few miles on it.

[TROLL]

i got it from the tooth fairy. we go wayyyyy back.

na, it came from a totalled car, the right thing came up at the right time and i jumped on it.

[teh DIRT]

haha. tooth fairy...that made me lol.

[turbo4g63]

hey pete...you know what bryan's stock motor would look really good in if he already didn't get rid of it?









a little red impreza

[teh DIRT]

yeah...It would have....little short on cash flow tho..


ok a lot short.

[turbo4g63]

just uhhhh 'borrow' it lol perminatly

[teh DIRT]

lol. its too late....its being reborn into a another great, or soon to be great car. I am happy with my lil 1.8

[D Money]

You can get black wrx carpet from the dealer, it's only $300.00

[goodfella732]

i got it from the tooth fairy. we go wayyyyy back.

na, it came from a totalled car, the right thing came up at the right time and i jumped on it.

Hot damn, thats some really good luck. What kinda damage to the donor car that totalled it but made for a ton of goodies for you?

[Gorilla Unit 33]

video was good, although its the first time i ever got motion sickness. glad to see this thing come together so quickly.

[TROLL]

havent seen the car since friday night... is it weird to have separation anxiety with an inanimate object? it is kind of strange to spend every free waking moment working on it for 2 weeks straight, and then not be around it for 3 days.
anyway... going to pick it up tonight hopefully :) we're gonna put in the new door harnesses so the windows and door locks actually work, and wiring the wideband.

still on the to do list:
install Aquamist 2D Alcohol Injection (courtesy of Fred)
Fab and Install Perrin Uppipe with TiAL 44mm EWG (courtesy of Area1320)
Install new FMIC :devil:
APS Turbo Inlet Pipe???? (that I already own but involved install) update: leaning toward YES
TGV Delete???? (freebie, goes along with Inlet install) update: leaning toward YES
EL Headers???? ($$$) ???? update: leaning toward NO
Airbag resistors to turn the airbag light off from my seats
Waiting for Tactrix cable to arrive so I can turn off the CEL from removing the Air Pump (+ TGV Deletes)

[teh DIRT]

back under the knife it goes lol.

[Nors]

Whats the TGV? For the airbags, they stay functional yes? If so thats a pretty cool swap it seems, basically your car becomes an 07 STi in a bugeye shell.

What are your plans with the car, drag, road course, autox, or rally? Or is it all of the above :wink:

[teh DIRT]

TGV's are Tumble Generator Vavles. They are below the manifold and rotate to certain degrees to tumble the air into the cylinders....for emissions. We say eff that shat. So we are taking them out.

[TROLL]

30 miles on the car now, running like a champ.

i raised the rear suspension this morning because i looked like dimitri back there and i was rubbing over bumps, eff that.

still need to adjust the clutch pedal back a little bit and also would like to rebleed the brakes just for a firmer pedal. and want to do all that other stuff on the list too :)

driving to allentown tonight, hopefully gonna put a solid 125-150 miles on the car... gotta keep it going to break this puppy in.

[Shades of Gray]

30 miles on the car now, running like a champ.

i raised the rear suspension this morning because i looked like dimitri back there and i was rubbing over bumps, eff that.

still need to adjust the clutch pedal back a little bit and also would like to rebleed the brakes just for a firmer pedal. and want to do all that other stuff on the list too :)

driving to allentown tonight, hopefully gonna put a solid 125-150 miles on the car... gotta keep it going to break this puppy in.

i guess you don't believe in the "other" break in method...o and how do you register the car now as far as milage???
Ryan

[Blkmax]

how does the car feel compared to how it was before?

[cranshinibon]

30 miles on the car now, running like a champ.

i raised the rear suspension this morning because i looked like dimitri back there and i was rubbing over bumps, eff that.

still need to adjust the clutch pedal back a little bit and also would like to rebleed the brakes just for a firmer pedal. and want to do all that other stuff on the list too :)

driving to allentown tonight, hopefully gonna put a solid 125-150 miles on the car... gotta keep it going to break this puppy in.

what does rebleeding the brakes do exactly?

[Spocknasty]

Gets the air out.

[Nors]

what does rebleeding the brakes do exactly?

Gets air out of the line and gets rid of a spongy or sinking pedal.

[foss]

30 miles on the car now, running like a champ.

i raised the rear suspension this morning because i looked like dimitri back there and i was rubbing over bumps, eff that.

still need to adjust the clutch pedal back a little bit and also would like to rebleed the brakes just for a firmer pedal. and want to do all that other stuff on the list too :)

driving to allentown tonight, hopefully gonna put a solid 125-150 miles on the car... gotta keep it going to break this puppy in.

Man I wish I woulda seen that post yesterday so I coulda checked this beast out. What were you doing over in my neck of the woods?

[TROLL]

170 miles on the car now since the swap... we went out to the allentown meet tonight and chilled with the guys out there, its always a good time.
no radio and no ac... its, um, boring and sweaty.

[xEJ20x]

170 miles on the car now since the swap... we went out to the allentown meet tonight and chilled with the guys out there, its always a good time.
no radio and no ac... its, um, boring and sweaty.

Air conditioning is for sissies.
I'll take all 4 windows down.

[TROLL]

what if only 2 of mine work?

that reminds me i need new rear window switches and until i get them i cant roll the rear windows down... haha.

[xEJ20x]

what if only 2 of mine work?

that reminds me i need new rear window switches and until i get them i cant roll the rear windows down... haha.

Its always the little things that need reminders.

[TROLL]

and the front windows werent operable until last night. as funny as it sounds, the car wasnt driveable for any real distance until either the ac or some of the windows worked...

[xEJ20x]

and the front windows werent operable until last night. as funny as it sounds, the car wasnt driveable for any real distance until either the ac or some of the windows worked...

Next to the engine turning over and running....windows and a/c are superfluous. :mrgreen:

[Shades of Gray]

you still haven't answered my question busy man!...:cry:

How do you register the mileage...you know, since it went from 60K+(?) to under 5K-(?)

Ryan

[Renegade_]

Air conditioning is for sissies.
I'll take all 4 windows down.
Goddamn right.

[97TurboDSM]

in PA the theres options on the title for unkown mileages. my guess is that if for some reason he gets it re-titled thats what will happen or if it gets sold. if neither of those things happen i dont think he has to do anything special.

[lagos]

you still haven't answered my question busy man!...:cry:

How do you register the mileage...you know, since it went from 60K+(?) to under 5K-(?)

Ryan

you register the mileage of your car, not your motor.

[TROLL]

yeah i didnt know how to answer the question on this public forum, but i'm just not gonna worry about it and i dont think my inspection guy is going to worry about it either (hopefully).
otherwise nobody should be paying any attention... the cluster went from 71k which was the actual mileage on the old motor and on the car itself, and the new cluster is at 5k but the engine only has 400 miles on it now. i wrote it all down so i can keep track of chassis, engine, and cluster mileage.

[Stymie87]

Nice Job Bryan. You know I can appreciate a swapped bugeye!

[TROLL]

thanks :). i think the question that begs to be asked is do you have any attractive girlfriends who can appreciate it as well?

[lagos]

yeah i didnt know how to answer the question on this public forum, but i'm just not gonna worry about it and i dont think my inspection guy is going to worry about it either (hopefully).
otherwise nobody should be paying any attention... the cluster went from 71k which was the actual mileage on the old motor and on the car itself, and the new cluster is at 5k but the engine only has 400 miles on it now. i wrote it all down so i can keep track of chassis, engine, and cluster mileage.

go talk to your dealership. ask them if they have any stickers for cluster changes, or if they can roll the OD forward.

i had a speedo replaced on a car before. they just stuck a new one in, with 0miles, and put stickers on the firewall and door jam, stating the date and mileage of the repair and old cluster.

[DaveSTi]

this was the best journal i've read yet! congrats on accomplishing this lofty goal and welcome to the STi club! :)

[TROLL]

mucho gracias amigo :)

glad others enjoyed following the progress... it was fun to document.

whats funny is we put the car all back together, turned it on, it runs fine, its all good... we're done right? haaaa not according to the to do list i just wrote out... a handful of little things to take care of from fog light wiring to brake bleeding to cleaning up the garage really well that we borrowed to returning the 0BD2 scanner, etc etc... but its got a good 20 things on it still. oh well... we definitely hit one milestone but there's still plenty to be done.

i did push my tune date back and am officially dropping out of the running to actually participate in the STi - Evo shootout... if it was a race team and i didnt want everything to be perfect then i could pull it off, but i want everything to be perfect so i'm not gonna rush finishing things off.

[RyanG]

aka: you still dont know what size ewg you want lol

[DaveSTi]

mucho gracias amigo :)

glad others enjoyed following the progress... it was fun to document.

whats funny is we put the car all back together, turned it on, it runs fine, its all good... we're done right? haaaa not according to the to do list i just wrote out... a handful of little things to take care of from fog light wiring to brake bleeding to cleaning up the garage really well that we borrowed to returning the 0BD2 scanner, etc etc... but its got a good 20 things on it still. oh well... we definitely hit one milestone but there's still plenty to be done.

i did push my tune date back and am officially dropping out of the running to actually participate in the STi - Evo shootout... if it was a race team and i didnt want everything to be perfect then i could pull it off, but i want everything to be perfect so i'm not gonna rush finishing things off.

nothing wrong with that, do it right the first time and do it once.:cool:

[TROLL]

nope i'm manning up and going 44mm... you only live once. i was just gonna PM you about that, still will...

the decision was based off of the following things:

1) if i start taking my car apart on thurs i cant bring it ot the meet and then nobody will believe we actually finished it and have it running
2) i still need gaskets from subaru, hondata gaskets from rt tuning, still waiting on parts from a private seller, need to find an aluminum welder who's close, and so on.
3) 1 week till the tune... probably enough time to get everything installed, or enough time to break in the motor... not both though
4) there is a four, and a five too, but i thikn you get my point

it woulda been tight, and stressful... so i'm just gonna chillll, take a breath, and get it done at a slower but still steady pace.

[*~Heather~*]

Look who's a wheel whore...Car looks amazing, now you need to break that slore in!

[RyanG]

so I take it we are on for Sunday.???

[Jeffros Spec V]

nope i'm manning up and going 44mm... you only live once. i was just gonna PM you about that, still will...

the decision was based off of the following things:

1) if i start taking my car apart on thurs i cant bring it ot the meet and then nobody will believe we actually finished it and have it running
2) i still need gaskets from subaru, hondata gaskets from rt tuning, still waiting on parts from a private seller, need to find an aluminum welder who's close, and so on.
3) 1 week till the tune... probably enough time to get everything installed, or enough time to break in the motor... not both though
4) there is a four, and a five too, but i thikn you get my point

it woulda been tight, and stressful... so i'm just gonna chillll, take a breath, and get it done at a slower but still steady pace.


There is a place off airport road that does alum welding. He's welded something for me earlier.

[TROLL]

Look who's a wheel whore...Car looks amazing, now you need to break that slore in!
stop bein a B, H. or wait i guess that was a compliment too... thanks :)

so I take it we are on for Sunday.???
yeah its 1.5 hours away and i gotta be there when? thats gonna suck...

There is a place off airport road that does alum welding. He's welded something for me earlier.
if you can get a name/number let me know... its actually quite simple and i can bring it to him... need the holes from the TGVs filled when i take them out.

[RyanG]

8 or 9am buddy. piping is ordered. :)

[*~Heather~*]

stop bein a B, H. or wait i guess that was a compliment too... thanks :)

:gasp: i'm NEVER a B...:mrgreen:

[goodfella732]

yeah i didnt know how to answer the question on this public forum, but i'm just not gonna worry about it and i dont think my inspection guy is going to worry about it either (hopefully).
otherwise nobody should be paying any attention... the cluster went from 71k which was the actual mileage on the old motor and on the car itself, and the new cluster is at 5k but the engine only has 400 miles on it now. i wrote it all down so i can keep track of chassis, engine, and cluster mileage.

Check with you local dealer about cluster swap stickers. I used to have a bunch but I cant seem to find them. I take it the cluster is from a different 07 then the motor?

[BobErT-]

Congrats Troll for stepping up and joining us in the STi world ;)

[Shades of Gray]

Check with you local dealer about cluster swap stickers. I used to have a bunch but I cant seem to find them. I take it the cluster is from a different 07 then the motor?

you know...thats probally the case...i'm almost sure of it. If someone blows a motor and rebuilds...I think it just gets labled as "unknown" milage.

[TROLL]

readjusted the clutch pedal... not gonna lie i sat there and stared at the pedal assembly for a while before i realized the adjustment rod is on the OTHER side of the pedal box. once i figured out wth i was looking at though, easy as pie. pete said he turned it 4 or 5 turns out, i put it 2 turns back in so we'll see.

also changed my oil for the hell of it and fred came by to help me button up a few things including wideband install, sidemarker lights, an ebrake bracket we didnt put in, and... that might be it.

see ya at the meet tonight, hopefully no rain.

[Chair-Force]

Nice work, troll.

I took the lazy route and just bought an STi, lol.

[teh DIRT]

readjusted the clutch pedal... not gonna lie i sat there and stared at the pedal assembly for a while before i realized the adjustment rod is on the OTHER side of the pedal box. once i figured out wth i was looking at though, easy as pie. pete said he turned it 4 or 5 turns out, i put it 2 turns back in so we'll see.

also changed my oil for the hell of it and fred came by to help me button up a few things including wideband install, sidemarker lights, an ebrake bracket we didnt put in, and... that might be it.

see ya at the meet tonight, hopefully no rain.


haha. noob, hope it feels better. see you there.

[freebmx444]

i saw this car tonight and all i could say is damn thats clean

[criz]

Congrats man! It must be awesome to look at what you just accomplished

[Buster]

^--- holy crap its a ghost!

[criz]

^--- holy crap its a ghost!

hey man... yea... i've been MIA for a while... been on a few trips and work has been insane!

Looking forward to a nice TST cruise/run sometime soon.

I can just smell the fall run coming up!

[Dave]

readjusted the clutch pedal... not gonna lie i sat there and stared at the pedal assembly for a while before i realized the adjustment rod is on the OTHER side of the pedal box. once i figured out wth i was looking at though, easy as pie. pete said he turned it 4 or 5 turns out, i put it 2 turns back in so we'll see.

also changed my oil for the hell of it and fred came by to help me button up a few things including wideband install, sidemarker lights, an ebrake bracket we didnt put in, and... that might be it.

see ya at the meet tonight, hopefully no rain.

you say you are breaking it in, did you remember to use dino oil?

[TROLL]

yeah... using valvoline conventional 5w30. changed it yesterday at about 200 miles just in case there was any crap sitting in the engine from before i bought it, i'll probably change again at 1000, then gonna stick to the 3000 mile thing. i've always used purolator pureone filters and switched to M1 synthetic on the last motor at 10k. i do plan to switch to synth but not sure if it'll be M1 or something else this time around...

and thanks guys... i am definitely proud of what we were able to do with it. visually its a little underwhelming, really just looks like a stock sti with a fmic and an intake, its impossible to understand what went into making that happen without seeing the photos at least. but i didnt do it to impress anyone, i'm just in it for that fat midrange torque curve :)

[S4toSTI]

but i didnt do it to impress anyone, i'm just in it for that fat midrange torque curve :)
And the preventative maintenance.
Congrats man! It must be awesome to look at what you just accomplished

He lives.

[TurboTagTeam]

Impressive work troll. That's was a pretty fast turn-around. I was expecting it to take alot longer.


If you don't mind me asking.... What happened to the donor car?? Rear-end collision???

[TROLL]

Donor car was bought at auction as a total, honestly not sure exactly. Hope that response wasnt too late, haha.

Anywho, got some new photos...

Installed an APS DR525 Stealth FMIC a few days ago and now i'm mid-way on doing an APS Turbo Inlet Pipe, TGV Deletes, and Hondata Phenolic Spacers.

new sexy red piping
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/apsfmicpiping.jpg

SSA FMIC vs. APS DR525 FMIC
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/fmiccomparison.jpg

coming apart to pull the intake manifold for the APS Turbo Inlet and TGV Delete
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/enginebay.jpg

pete and my manifold... 2 points for someone who can find a similar photo taken a long time back, emo style
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/peteintakemanifold.jpg

super sexy JDM v7 intake ports, from the heads i am NOT using (19mm socket inserted for scale)
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/v7JDMintakeports.jpg

super poo-ey looking 2007 USDM heads that are on my motor...wtf m8? (19mm socket inserted for scale)
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/2007intakeports.jpg

again with the texture on the ports for the intake side of the heads... did they crinkle coat the inside too??
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/2007intakeports2.jpg

these are TGVs for all those who are wondering, they sit between the intake manifold and the heads (one gutted, one not)
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/tgvhousings.jpg

getting started on gutting them
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/tgvdrilled.jpg

they're apart
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/tgvsapart.jpg

opening them up even more
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/tgvcut.jpg

[Buster]

Is there a reason you did this instead of using the JDM mani that you have... that I want lol?

[HuffRex]

Looking good Bryan. Keep it going ur almost to your tune!

[TROLL]

yeah i thought about that, but the jdm mani isnt for drive by wire. the tgv's MAY have worked, but i would have also needed the fuel rails and i just figured there'd be more potential problems on that unknown swap than just a normal TGV delete which i have done before and know what to expect.

[Buster]

oh, hey wanna return my PM then lol

[Snoozie]

HA! I win!
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/peteemo.jpg

[Buster]

I dont get it...

[Snoozie]

I dont get it...

See here.....

pete and my manifold... 2 points for someone who can find a similar photo taken a long time back, emo style
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/peteintakemanifold.jpg

[Buster]

oh!!! wow you are good.

[JeEvE]

Congrats on the swap, looks super clean.

Did you plug up the holes going across from the rod after removing the TGVs? I have "Swirl Valves" in my lower intake manifold that I plan to remove and I was just curious what you did with the holes.

[TROLL]

yes i had the holes welded shut at a local shop and i ported them so they are very smooth and open now. i'm going to polish them a bit tonight and hopefully get started with reassembly... i'll take some more photos of the carnage and post them up...

[TROLL]

forgot to post this... i've got other photos on the way of the TGV Delete and APS Turbo Inlet install...

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/apsfmicpiping.jpg

[foss]

forgot to post this... i've got other photos on the way of the TGV Delete and APS Turbo Inlet install...

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/apsfmicpiping.jpg

no you didn't :)


new sexy red piping
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/fmic-tgv/apsfmicpiping.jpg

[TROLL]

oh. dont mind me then. damnit.

regardless, i've got the rest of the TGV Delete and APS Turbo Inlet photos on my computer at home so I'll put em up soon to make up for this major blunder.

[TROLL]

test fit perrin headers, hks downpipe, and perrin dual tube catback today... i feel like i've lost my identity. the deep rumble is gone. its been replaced with a higher pitched hum... like an evo or something :(. i'm not happy about it but i'm forging on... its all in the name of power.

here's a crappy sound clip... i'll try to get a stock headers vid too for comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmRrmokxChI

[Jeffros Spec V]

test fit perrin headers, hks downpipe, and perrin dual tube catback today... i feel like i've lost my identity. the deep rumble is gone. its been replaced with a higher pitched hum... like an evo or something :(. i'm not happy about it but i'm forging on... its all in the name of power.

here's a crappy sound clip... i'll try to get a stock headers vid too for comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmRrmokxChI

Dude, put some un equal lengths on there. I don't know how people can loose the suby rumble. Don't get me wrong I love power, but I bought a suby so I didn't sound like my nissan. Keith drove past me today, his car sounds like its ready to eat somebody its awesome.

[TROLL]

equal length headers are consistently making more power everywhere in the powerband than unequal lengths on an STi, and thats priority number one. i'd definitely keep the rumble if i could but i'm not willing to sacrifice the performance to do so. i think i'll get used to it. i may go back to the APS catback, or maybe try a different catback... the deepest one i can find... hopefully pretty mild in volume as well.

[Honest_Bob]

test fit perrin headers, hks downpipe, and perrin dual tube catback today... i feel like i've lost my identity. the deep rumble is gone. its been replaced with a higher pitched hum... like an evo or something :(. i'm not happy about it but i'm forging on... its all in the name of power.

here's a crappy sound clip... i'll try to get a stock headers vid too for comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmRrmokxChI

you mean you were running a stock downpipe even?

[TROLL]

i previously had an APS turboback on the car. the new plan is to use the new TurboXS Uppipe made for EWG and the HKS Downpipe (required for EWG fitment), and while I was changing things up I decided to try out this Perrin Dual Tube... it honestly sounds pretty similar to the APS Catback so I might just keep the APS, or see if I can find something the same volume or quieter, and as deep toned as possible.

I dont think I mentioned before, but I just test fit all of this stuff today because I needed to mark the headers for an EGT bung and I needed to mark the downpipe for a wideband bung. They're both back off the car now to have the bungs welded and then I'm having the headers and uppipe ceramic coated, then I'll be reinstalling.

[RayArroyo]

went up to trolls yesterday, his car is cute :lol::lol:

[Jeffros Spec V]

went up to trolls yesterday, his car is cute :lol::lol:

I got knocked all over the place when I was going EWG and now, it's the thing to do :(

[TROLL]

huh? the ewg craze with subies has been going for a lot longer than you've owned the wagon so i'm confused.

[D Money]

perrin dual tube exhaust? What is that?

and why did you need a hks downpipe for ewg?

[TROLL]

the way the txs ewg uppipe is designed, the ewg sits up real tight with the downpipe, so you need a flat flange downpipe in order for them to not hit. turboxs is making their own non bellmouth downpipe but its a lot of money and not all that impressive... the hks is cheaper and one pipe instead of two so thats what i went with.

[redwrxwagon02]

the only thing that i was questioning was the clearance between the actual wastegate and the hks dp in pictures i have seen they look pretty close together

[D Money]

oh nice. Um, well whats this double exhaust thing. lol Teach me the usdm ways troll, I am not up to date on them at all.

[Jeffros Spec V]

huh? the ewg craze with subies has been going for a lot longer than you've owned the wagon so i'm confused.

I know I know. It's just when I was talking of getting one people were like WTF are you doing that for, you need this, that, that thing over there blah blha blah.

[Jeffros Spec V]

Not the best picture but clearance with Element Tuning uppipe/dumptube with Tial 38mm and Bosal divorced DP.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/Jeffro1122/100_0376.jpg

[TROLL]

oh ok yeah internet people (myself included) are like that... but i'm all for EWG all the time... its pretty much always going to be beneficial, no matter what the setup is.

the TXS EWG Uppipe and HKS Downpipe is a very close fit... i test fit them and have less than a cm between the EWG and the Downpipe, but it fits. I cant imagine that the new TXS Non-Bellmouth Downpipe has any more clearance than this since they're both 3" pipes. mine will sit higher than jeff's... like right up next to the downpipe where the bellmouth would be.

and D... the catback is two 2.25" pipes running side by side... flows slightly more than a standard 3" exhaust without being too loud, and it has better ground clearance as well. you can see the two pipes running side by side at the end of the video link i posted above if you look closely. honestly it sounds very similar to my APS so I might just go back to that, but I have no idea what I'm gonna do for a catback at this point really.

here's a pic:
http://www.perrinperformance.com/shared/images/products/219/99_large.jpg

[D Money]

oh thats pretty wild. I've never seen that before. I'm in the same boat, picking catbacks is hard! I've been through 3, and always end up getting another hks carbon-ti since it's a safe bet for me. What about an amuse powerhouse? lol

I woulda watched the movie, but im at work! :mad:

[TROLL]

gotcha... well it was a test run at idle and blipping the throttle with the headers on the car... what you missed is:


"bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BZZZZZ! bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BZZZZZZ!"

sigh.

[Renegade_]

gotcha... well it was a test run at idle and blipping the throttle with the headers on the car... what you missed is:


"bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BZZZZZ! bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BZZZZZZ!"

sigh.

This car is turning into a bastard child.

STi motor in a bugeye? No rumble?

Man, we gotta work on point number 2. PnP the stockers, you get rumble and flow.

[TROLL]

I have PnP stock headers on now, but the Perrins really should make a good amt more power still...

[Buster]

I cant beleive you took that exhaust, I wanted it sooo bad

[TROLL]

the dualtube? there's still hope for you yet... i'm not in love with it.

[redwrxwagon02]

keaphff and i both were gonna rock that catbizzack lol it looks so sick

[TROLL]

i do like it, but i was thinking it would sound different than the APS and it pretty much sounds the same, so since i'm an APS whore now i'm thinking about just going back to the APS, but who knows how it'll all work out... it does look badass though :)

[redwrxwagon02]

lol why is it that like alot of subie guys have migrated to the aps dr 525 and 725 lol im blaming teh troll bugeye hotnezz

[Buster]

the dualtube? there's still hope for you yet... i'm not in love with it.

oh yeah! AWW suk yo deeeeik man! Let me know, I finally get my comission check today so Ill give you the rest I owe you for the APS too. Ill swing by Rays hopefully by the time you finish tuning.

[CHAOS]

i like it troll. im not sure if the gains are worth the price for me right now... but in the future its a definite plan for me. i dont care about the boxer rumble.

[TROLL]

in all the equal length header threads on nasioc, without fail, someone says "the boxer rumble is the sound of inefficiency :mrgreen:" haha... sad, but true. i love subies but their turbo engine layout... well its not the shortest most efficient piping path. i'm slightly bummed but i think i'll get used to it so whatever...

[RayArroyo]

troll i got you a good present

:cool:

[TROLL]

i hope its a FP Green or a stripper... thats really all i'm interested in at this point... :mrgreen:

but seriously, why do i feel a little nervous about this 'present'?



and for anyone interested in following along on the cars progress, i just learned that by removing the factory air pump system on the 07 STi motor, i also removed the factory atmospheric pressure sensor, effectively screwing up the way my ecu sees boost as a whole... blah! This sensor setup is exclusive to the 07 STi and doesnt affect the 06 WRX air pump setup, just to be overly clear here. I am going to do some troubleshooting to figure out the best way to remedy this... if I can't fix it by replacing the air pump system partially then one of the wonderful Enginuity programmers said he could manually recode my rom to set the atmospheric pressure value to the appropriate psi, instead of the 21.76 that its reading currently.

[redwrxwagon02]

wow lol 21 psi because of a stupid air pump?

thats preposterous lol gl troubleshooting

[TROLL]

yeah, it should be about 14.7 but i guess when that sensor isnt plugged in it just defaults to that max value. i'm going to try plugging in the air pump connectors without actually attaching any of the physical plumbing back into the motor and see if that gets things back in line... hopefully it does and if so then i'll leave what i have to on the car and find an out of the way place to secure it in the engine bay.
last resort though, like i said, is i can have the atm pressure value coded into the rom which should fix things also.

[Renegade_]

so the car is overboosting or underboosting?

[redwrxwagon02]

neither its reading incorrect boost and its off by about 7 psi

[TROLL]

its boosting about right... i mean its creeping a bit but thats a different story. the ecu is reading the manifold relative pressure as like 11 psi max when my boost gauge is showing 18 (which is correct).

[namdoogwerdna]

at least you're not overboosting... good luck with the fix on that

[Jeffros Spec V]

How does Enginuity make money?

I love those guys.

[TROLL]

i wish they were selling the 'tactrix' cables themselves... its no secret that the avg computer cable costs next to nothing to make, and because of enginuity, tactrix who is completely unaffiliated with them is selling them for $80 a pop hand over fist. the program is killer, i wish that they would sell the cables themselves so they would see some reward for their work.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

yeah, it should be about 14.7 but i guess when that sensor isnt plugged in it just defaults to that max value. i'm going to try plugging in the air pump connectors without actually attaching any of the physical plumbing back into the motor and see if that gets things back in line... hopefully it does and if so then i'll leave what i have to on the car and find an out of the way place to secure it in the engine bay.
last resort though, like i said, is i can have the atm pressure value coded into the rom which should fix things also.

I wonder if there's some way to splice a resistor inline or something that could fake out the sensor.....good luck. Can't wait to see this puppy in person again.

[RayArroyo]

How does Enginuity make money?

I love those guys.

for most of the tunes i offer i donate money to them thru their donation system :cool:

[TROLL]

newest mod:
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/compressor.jpg
(for extra credit name 5 other identifiable things in this photo.)

i think i'm gonna love it at least as much as much as my neighbors hate it :devil:

also, perrin headers, turboxs ewg uppipe, and vf43 exhaust housing have all been ceramic coated. hks downpipe has been heatwrapped and will also be sprayed with a thermal spraypaint to seal it. vf43 compressor housing inlet and outlet have been ported and polished, and the housing is being powdercoated crinkle red, just because i can. all of those things as well as a tial 44mm ewg are being installed this weekend, which will finish my mods except for alky which i am figuring out momentarily.
i might get a tune before the alky, then go back... depends how things play out and how much longer i can stand it.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

Wow......the monster grows...

[criz]

newest mod:
i think i'm gonna love it at least as much as much as my neighbors hate it :devil:

also, perrin headers, turboxs ewg uppipe, and vf43 exhaust housing have all been ceramic coated. hks downpipe has been heatwrapped and will also be sprayed with a thermal spraypaint to seal it. vf43 compressor housing inlet and outlet have been ported and polished, and the housing is being powdercoated crinkle red, just because i can. all of those things as well as a tial 44mm ewg are being installed this weekend, which will finish my mods except for alky which i am figuring out momentarily.
i might get a tune before the alky, then go back... depends how things play out and how much longer i can stand it.

Good luck man, inform the tuner magazines to reserve a few pages for you :)

[04 Turbo Spec]

4 jack stands and a new jack that you got a discounted price....

[Hando567]

4 jack stands, a creeper, some lawn chairs. a tarp, and a large metal pole, which my guess goes to a large floor jack.

[DaveSTi]

newest mod:
(for extra credit name 5 other identifiable things in this photo.)

i think i'm gonna love it at least as much as much as my neighbors hate it :devil:

also, perrin headers, turboxs ewg uppipe, and vf43 exhaust housing have all been ceramic coated. hks downpipe has been heatwrapped and will also be sprayed with a thermal spraypaint to seal it. vf43 compressor housing inlet and outlet have been ported and polished, and the housing is being powdercoated crinkle red, just because i can. all of those things as well as a tial 44mm ewg are being installed this weekend, which will finish my mods except for alky which i am figuring out momentarily.
i might get a tune before the alky, then go back... depends how things play out and how much longer i can stand it.

Baller.:cool:

[TROLL]

haha...
well i took all the old stuff off the car and have the new turbo and uppipe on... tightening down those bolts, then lifting the header up, then the downpipe and ewg... down the home stretch here :)

[pete_chon]

how much do you charge for rides?

[carbonfaddict]

I would like a ride too...LOL

Great ride, great swap, and even better build up.

[RayArroyo]

newest mod:
http://www.bryantroll.com/other/compressor.jpg



troll im confused, how is this thing going to fit under the hood?

[Jeffros Spec V]

troll im confused, how is this thing going to fit under the hood?

Ray you have it all wrong. It goes in the trunk and works the suspension. Troll is baggin now!

[Vypurr]

No, no, no. Don't you guys remember? He has an 07' STi, but he removed the air pump to save weight. This is simply an upgraded air pump. It should give him like 37whp. Trust me!

[RayArroyo]

No, no, no. Don't you guys remember? He has an 07' STi, but he removed the air pump to save weight. This is simply an upgraded air pump. It should give him like 37whp. Trust me!

oh **** , i cant believe i didnt put 2 and 2 together

[SoStock92]

Get some damned pics of your bitch of a manifold already. i didn't ceramic coat all that bull**** for nothing ;)

[TROLL]

haha... yeah i took some pics and i got the install finished... it was a bitch, and the ewg fitment is very tight. i dont currently have the top fitting on the ewg because i couldnt get it in, but i'm working on that situation right now and talking to turboxs about it... if they have to send a replacement i'm gonna be pissed... that'd mean doing the ceramic coat and the install all over. blahhhh

[SoStock92]

haha... yeah i took some pics and i got the install finished... it was a bitch, and the ewg fitment is very tight. i dont currently have the top fitting on the ewg because i couldnt get it in, but i'm working on that situation right now and talking to turboxs about it... if they have to send a replacement i'm gonna be pissed... that'd mean doing the ceramic coat and the install all over. blahhhh

Did the manifold fit I hope?

[TROLL]

yea just like it did before... little tight to get on but thats how it was last time too.

i only started the car and let it warm up once so far and it wasnt on jackstands so i couldnt really check for leaks but it seems like the slip joints might leak when they're cold then seal up once they're up to temp. i might be thrown off by the louder exhaust from the high idle when its cold but thats what it sounds like to me. seems like its not uncommon and that its acceptable... hey, as long as they seal when the car is warmed up its ok with me.

[TROLL]

long overdue photos of new stuff...

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/enginebaynew2.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/headeruppipe.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/headeruppipe2.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/headeruppipe3.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/ewgtop.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/headers.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/dumptube.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/dumptube2.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo1.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo2.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo3.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo4.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo5.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo6.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo7.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo8.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo9.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo10.jpg

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/newparts/turbo11.jpg

ohhhh, and i'm getting tuned tomorrow :). no alky though :(. i'll go back for that soon enough. dont want to blow it up all big though in case we hit a snag or in case i make like 200 whp. i'll post up the results and some photos of course...

[TalonTsi97]

Can wait to see this car in action. Everything about it is perfect, time/money definetly well spent. Where you getting tuned at?
Who did the wrinkle red on the turbo?

[D Money]

who did the turbo? it came out good!

[TROLL]

thanks guys... getting tuned by Andy at Verocious... the Prodrive BCS should be arriving today and i just remembered i dont have a bracket to hold my internal wastegate closed, doh! everything else is totally done down to having done a leak test, a compression test, changing the oil, etc etc. i really took my time getting this together and everything is totally up to my perfectionist standards.
and Chuck at Bonehead did the turbo for me... came out looking crazy. its so funny to see a stock blah turbo all fancy like that, its kinda funny. now that its installed its pretty subtle looking since its under other stuff but i wanted to try it out while i had the rest of the turbo apart for the ceramic coating.

[D Money]

so you can just powdercoat a turbo? I didn't know that!

[Jeffros Spec V]

thanks guys... getting tuned by Andy at Verocious... the Prodrive BCS should be arriving today and i just remembered i dont have a bracket to hold my internal wastegate closed, doh! everything else is totally done down to having done a leak test, a compression test, changing the oil, etc etc. i really took my time getting this together and everything is totally up to my perfectionist standards.
and Chuck at Bonehead did the turbo for me... came out looking crazy. its so funny to see a stock blah turbo all fancy like that, its kinda funny. now that its installed its pretty subtle looking since its under other stuff but i wanted to try it out while i had the rest of the turbo apart for the ceramic coating.

Want to borrow my bracket?


Turbo looks sick.

[criz]

the turbo looks amazing!

[TROLL]

jeff... what kinda bracket do you have? yes i need a solution for right now! i was going to scramble during lunch to go get a couple brackets that i might be able to make work but its really up in the air so if you have something that'd be awesome.
one problem though is that i already tried to put a specially made vf34 bracket onto my vf43 and it didnt fit, the arm wasnt sitting in the right spot. depending on what you have it might work though, or i could just tweak it a bit to make it work. i'll be sure to return or replace it though if it works out.
let me know...

and thanks for the compliments on the turbo. you can just powdercoat the compressor side because it doesnt get nearly as hot as the exhaust side. i guess since i didnt make it clear i should explain that the exhaust side of the turbo was ceramic coated and was the real reason i had the turbo apart in the first place. its a thermal coating made to insulate up to 2000 degrees F so its made for exhaust manifolds and turbos. the headers, uppipe, and turbo all have the same ceramic coating on them.

[sisforsurfing]

everything looks really good bryan. really impressive attention to detail.

[Jeffros Spec V]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/Jeffro1122/100_0372.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/Jeffro1122/100_0375.jpg

[Jeffros Spec V]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/Jeffro1122/100_0376.jpg

[TROLL]

hmm i dont know... where does that bolt to? i might be able to get it to work, not sure. i wont be free until after 9:30 tonight but will you be around? i'll give you a call.
probably still going to hit up a hardware store on my break today to try to get a generic L bracket and try to mount it on the nearest downpipe bolt and then attach it to the wg arm to hold it shut that way. simple, crude, but hopefully effective.
orrr i could just tack weld the arm. should hold it, be simple and clean, and be reverseable if you grind the weld off. if i do that i need a competent welder late tonight or early tomorrow.

[Jeffros Spec V]

hmm i dont know... where does that bolt to? i might be able to get it to work, not sure. i wont be free until after 9:30 tonight but will you be around? i'll give you a call.
probably still going to hit up a hardware store on my break today to try to get a generic L bracket and try to mount it on the nearest downpipe bolt and then attach it to the wg arm to hold it shut that way. simple, crude, but hopefully effective.
orrr i could just tack weld the arm. should hold it, be simple and clean, and be reverseable if you grind the weld off. if i do that i need a competent welder late tonight or early tomorrow.

If you use my bracket you'll have to grind the wg arm off from the flapper, so that might be out but I won't get home till about 9:00 tonight if you wanted to still check it out.

My buddy would be able to throw some welds down for you tonight if you wanted to go that route, he's right in langhorne.

[TROLL]

the goal here is to not make any permanent changes to the turbo that i know i wont be keeping forever... not sure what needs to be grinded but if thats the case then i might not be interested.
i'll try to figure this bracket thing out today but if i cant get it then i'll give you a call tonight to see if we can get a last minute tack weld on there... thanks.

[SoStock92]

Should have let me just tack it shut with a mig so you could grind it off at a later date - barely noticeable.

Who's next for ceramic coating? I do powder coating also, I just didn't have wrinkle red at the time :)

[TROLL]

well yeah, do you have welding stuff at your place? backup plan if i cant get this bracket to work? i'll know by like 11pm tonight :(. so either tonight or tomorrow early i might need a little tack welding action from someone somewhere.

[SoStock92]

We have the necessary MIG @ PT's house.

[TROLL]

ok sweet... well i get home at 9:30, then i gotta see if i can make this bracket work so as soon as i know how things are looking i'll be in touch either way. gracias...
oh, is tonight later or tomorrow early better? i assume tonight...

[OMGz Turbo]

wow bryan i dont know if i ever posted here but i wanna check out this beast next time its on the road. thing looks so clean i love it!!!!.

[DropTopChevy]

Yeah I don't post much in these journals but I was looking through them and Bryan your car is Amazing. I would eat off the bottom of the car. :mrgreen:

[TROLL]

haha awesome... thanks guys. the new motor was so clean and nice looking that it inspired me to get other parts that complimented it well. there is a lot of APS stuff on the car, a company who is dedicated to pure uncompromised performance and its come together pretty nicely i think. i just wish my car was white or something, but thats another story.
anywho, i got my prodrive bcs today in the mail and installed it tonight, and i also was able to make a bracket to hold the IWG closed, its very basic but should actually work pretty well i think.
i'm gonna pass out now, and when i wake up it'll be time to go to Verocious and see if all this time/money/work has been worth it. cant wait to really drive my car again :) cant wait to autox on saturday! cross your fingers that all goes well tomorrow...

[97TurboDSM]

in for some numbers. i'd be super excited if i were you

[SoStock92]

Brian - I and PT are off of work on Friday. We are going up to N Jersey to check out a car but that won't take all day. If you're around let me know I can weld that WG flap

[TROLL]

annnd i'm awake, and yawning. i am excited, although i wish i had the alcohol injection in. i wont have it for about 2 weeks, then its got to get installed and i dont want to rush things there. so it might be 3, or 4, or 5 weeks till its up and running, who knows. thats how it always is with me... just one more thing, and it takes longer than planned. thats exactly why i said F it and i'm getting tuned now because unfortunately in my situation i cant really drive the car normally right now, it needs a tune to be safe. going to get the 'base' tune now, and it will get tweaked from 10 psi and up once we have the alcohol flowing down the road.
i just hope i know what i was doing when i put all this stuff together and there arent any hangups that keep the tune from going through today....
alright i'm off, i'll post results. actually i'm dragging barry with me so maybe i'll get him to post some fancy updates from his iphone in real time :)

and jon... thanks for the offer. if this bracket works i might just stick with it but if there's any question then i'll get in touch with you. i appreciate it.

[ozthunder]

Good luck!

[CHAOS]

best of luck troll... this thing should freakin rip when its done

[BlkMaxPwr]

I was just viewing the progress of your car and I must say it is amazing. It took a lot of time and work for you to get it where you have so far and I applaud you. I can't wait to see what numbers you end up with after tuning it.

[TalonTsi97]

good luck, wish you could get some videos. If i wasnt so busy today id take the trip out and support.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

i also was able to make a bracket to hold the IWG closed, its very basic but should actually work pretty well i think.
.

Hey Bry! I got the same problem! Maybe you can fab one up for me too for when I go ewg with my VF-43!

[Jeffros Spec V]

I'm on the phone with Beth from Verocious and I hear Troll's car doing a nice pull in the background.

[redwrxwagon02]

I'm on the phone with Beth from Verocious and I hear Troll's car doing a nice pull in the background.

lol i just talked to troll he said he's at 330whp and 350tq at 19psi
when i first heard the car doing a pull i thought it was a honda lol then i heard that little bit of boxer rumble when idling and i knew it was his car

[Jeffros Spec V]

Troll get off the dyno. I have a motor that needs to be finished and if you're there all day it won't be done.

350tq @ 19psi = :)

[Renegade_]

lol i just talked to troll he said he's at 330whp and 350tq at 19psi
when i first heard the car doing a pull i thought it was a honda lol then i heard that little bit of boxer rumble when idling and i knew it was his car
Those 07 motors got all the love. Why couldn't subaru just put big port heads on all the years...

[RayArroyo]

nice numbers troll :)

[S4toSTI]

Driving back now car rips too bad there is too much traffic on 95 but we had some fun back in de. As state before 331hp 347tq it was up to 350 but andy pulled a few things back alittle. Can't wait till this thing has some alcohol.

[peteyturbo]

Post up a hp/tq graph!!Sounds to me like the only left to do now is take it to the TRACK:)

[ozthunder]

Awesome!

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

Driving back now car rips too bad there is too much traffic on 95 but we had some fun back in de. As state before 331hp 347tq it was up to 350 but andy pulled a few things back alittle. Can't wait till this thing has some alcohol.

That's rediculous! Nice numbers!

[CarbonIS]

so how do i get 07 heads for my motor?

[TROLL]

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/verociousdynotune.jpg

finally figured out how to get the dyno software set up to display how i want... haha.

good day, long day. thanks to andy for taking his time to get things setup the best they can. basically i did a lot of work to optimize air flow on the setup, but as far as fuel all i have is a fuel pump so we ended up running out of fuel. even at 19 psi the fuel can barely keep up with the air so thats as high as we went. its possible that alcohol injection alone would relieve the injectors enough, but when i go back for the alky tune i'll also have new injectors in just to make sure i dont run into any more fueling issues.

i'm definitely happy with how the day went... not too caught up in the numbers since thats all they are really. i'm soooo ready to autox on sunay and i'm totally down to go to the drag strip sometime soon too. planning to make more power with more fuel and alky but i might as well start practicing now that i can drive the car hard :)

[OMGz Turbo]

wow what a ****ing beast...so ummmm if you play in the snow this year can i get shotty in your car hahahahaha

i love it man.

[namdoogwerdna]

sick dude, i cant wait to come up again and get a ride in it

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

How many CCs are the injectors you're running now? What are you looking to upgrade too?

[Renegade_]

How many CCs are the injectors you're running now? What are you looking to upgrade too?
Unless he changed them they are stock STi pinks and flow like 550cc I think.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

Unless he changed them they are stock STi pinks and flow like 550cc I think.

Well actually if he is running stock STI injectors, wouldn't they be the yellow side feeds? If so, can these be modified to flow at 800CCs like standard WRX injectors?

[CHAOS]

usdm sti injectors are yellow... not sure of the amount of fuel they flow tho

[teh DIRT]

guys guys guys, lets not misinform anyone here. 2004-2006 are yellow sidefeeds. 2007 are topfeeds and are blue IIRC, 550cc/min.

[CHAOS]

lol anyone who takes my word as the bible should be punched in the mouth...


bryan, where do you think you gain all the top end?

[S.Milone]

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/verociousdynotune.jpg

Makes good torque nice and early. To bad it drops off in the top end. Lets get some cams in it too.

[Renegade_]

guys guys guys, lets not misinform anyone here. 2004-2006 are yellow sidefeeds. 2007 are topfeeds and are blue IIRC, 550cc/min.
Well, I got half of the equation right...

Regardless, sounds like it rips. We need videos!

[TROLL]

yeah it makes awesome power early, definitely a different experience getting back on the throttle coming out of a corner now (especially with the rain today) :devil:

i think regardless its going to fade up top because of the stock turbo not being able to hang, but i'm sure getting the alky/and or bigger injectors in there would help out since we wouldn't have to taper the boost in the upper rpm range.

jon, not sure i understand your question... gain compared to what? i know andy seemed really impressed with the way it was holding that flat torque curve for a good while and i think the EL headers can probably be thanked for that but possibly the fmic as well since once it gets going its got the capacity to flow a ton.

and for some laughs, here's a comparison of my car on the dyno at the grand opening when it had the 2.0L, VF34, TGV delete, FMIC, etc etc. It also had a bad internal wastegate so it spooled slower than it should, just want ot mention that ot be fair. That graph is overlaid with my new setup... its a WORLD of difference and just puts such a big smile on my face. I know I went over the top with the swap, and all the mods on the stock sti turbo now, but hell check this out...

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/verociouswrx+stidyno.jpg

[lagos]

^uncorrected cheater!

how does the a/f ratio look?

[TROLL]

well andy said he aimed for low 11s going to high 10s but on the pulls i logged today it was quite a bit richer than that. i'll do some more logs to gather info and get it to him.
and i thought uncorrected is the norm? explain that to me since this is my first dyno experience really.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

guys guys guys, lets not misinform anyone here. 2004-2006 are yellow sidefeeds. 2007 are topfeeds and are blue IIRC, 550cc/min.

Thanks for enlightening me because I had no idea of that. But my question is can you mod the stockers on them to flow at 800ccs or is he better off picking up some PE injectors?

[TROLL]

yeah you can mod them, probably smart to get them cleaned and flow tested after just to know things are good with them. i found a cheap set of UR injectors i'm going to use, otherwise i probably would have just gone with a set of modded stockers.

[lagos]

well andy said he aimed for low 11s going to high 10s but on the pulls i logged today it was quite a bit richer than that. i'll do some more logs to gather info and get it to him.
and i thought uncorrected is the norm? explain that to me since this is my first dyno experience really.

uncorrected gives the highest numbers. they are not accurate because the dyno needs to be corrected for sea level elevation. most people use SAE or STD correction.

did he log the a/f ratio on the dyno? you should be able to see it if you have the actual run file.
also ... a/f ratios are going to be a little different on the street vs the dyno, because you get a much higher load on the street. it also depends on what gear you check them in.

[RyanG]

keep in mind that Verocious is AT sea level ;) so in his case, the numbers are accurate.

Troll- I just got a set of modded stockers back from Witchhunter, the tested out at 828-825-825-824 .. modded stocks are teh way to go.

[jjm4life]

ha lagos said STD.. nice numbers i really want to see this thing in person

[lagos]

keep in mind that Verocious is AT sea level ;).

is it really? haha thats kind of funny.

[InfiniteMotors]

modded stocks are teh way to go.


Bryan,

My official two cents is that Ryan is right on. In my experience, the rule of thumb is to always opt for OEM units, even if they've been modified (by a trustworthy hand, not a drunken blind pirate like that guy who used to work with Andy) :mrgreen:

Jake

[CHAOS]

i'm also interested to see the logs from the street...


and troll.. what i meant by comparison was... of say... a stage 2 sti on that dyno.. .which puts out around 300-310 hp... you think the headers did that much or ?

[C'DALERIDER]

On that turbo, headers may help up top alittle bit. Headers, well they can be good and bad depending on what the owner wants. With the External Wastgate, realy stops the BACKPRESSURE in larger turbos (fp greens and sz49 types) which alows for ALOT less drop off up top, and believe it .... great for the VF turbos cause the IWG is tinyish, thus boost spikes. IWG greens can drop 8 psi. It alows for the tunrer to do a "better" tune (aka, not have to worry so much about boost spike and issues).
Nothing you fellas dont know already thou. So ill shut up. I opted for headers and a FMIC and hit 399awhp and 403awtq last week with a nice smooth curve droping only 4 psi at redline, with an IWG and a pretty restrictive catted 2.5" exhaust. Maybe cattless and def EWG in near future for that car. Full boost by 4k but comes on fast and smoooooth. Not bad, but the ome vf turbo makes great TQ down low!
Bryan def has a FUN setup for the wet roads!! Id make the next changes carefully.

Great job Bryan!

[Jeffros Spec V]

I opted for headers and a FMIC and hit 399awhp and 403awtq last week with a nice smooth curve droping only 4 psi at redline, with an IWG and a pretty restrictive catted 2.5" exhaust.




What turbo?

[C'DALERIDER]

What turbo?
20G...well...truth is, its cliped wheel...thus a SZ49 via deadbold. Need EWG thou.
Cheers.

[S4toSTI]

i'm also interested to see the logs from the street...


and troll.. what i meant by comparison was... of say... a stage 2 sti on that dyno.. .which puts out around 300-310 hp... you think the headers did that much or ?

My car with stage 2 ots map put down 287hp 307tq. Its hard to tell what the headers did since its an 07 but i would say the real gain here was in the hp.

[CHAOS]

My car with stage 2 ots map put down 287hp 307tq. Its hard to tell what the headers did since its an 07 but i would say the real gain here was in the hp.

right but the ots map is pig rich... my car on that dyno did 300whp and 345 ftlbs

edit:

im basically trying to find out what mods improved the hp numbers over something like mine and dougs car

[TROLL]

what boost were you tuned at? i think when i go back with more fuel and/or alky i should be able to bust through my current plateau.

if i had to guess i think the ewg is clearly beneficial, the headers are probably beneficial, and the fmic is probably not hurting with the flow up top. also the tgvs probably help the cause.

[CHAOS]

iirc its set at 19 psi tapering to iirc 16.


word up... they are all on my list already ... whats ur intake set up?

[S4toSTI]

Doug's car is 307whp/348 ft lbs bryans car but down the same tq and did 24 more hp i think thats where the ewg and headers are doing their work.

[CHAOS]

Doug's car is 307whp/348 ft lbs bryans car but down the same tq and did 24 more hp i think thats where the ewg and headers are doing their work.
agreed. alky should really do big things on this set up.

[TROLL]

yeah the fuel was the limitation it seems... so alky would take some of the stress off of the injectors and definitely free up some room there.

intake setup is an aps 65mm cai and aps turbo inlet pipe... the full mod list is up to date (i think) in my TST Garage.

[C'DALERIDER]

...can see it in the photo. Great setup and one hot looking engine bay IMO. Pushing the turbo more with injection will help but start to get it out of efficiency. Forget that the 07 heads are helping also. Oh yes.

[lagos]

550 injectors should be good for around 350hp. since your a/f ratio is low 11s or richer, you still have a little more head room.

once you reach the limit of the injectors, you should upgrade to 660s and scale your map to account for them. trying to supplement fuel with meth is a bad idea, imho. meth should be used to raise the octane level of the fuel, but not to be used as a way to richen up a car thats running lean. the last thing you would want is your investment be held together by a nylon hose, sureflow pump, and a gardening misting nozzle that doesnt send fuel evenly to all 4 cylinders. :cyberguy:

btw, i envy you guys for being able to just reflash your stock ecu. damn 1990s toyota tech owns me.

[TROLL]

haha thanks for the info... here's my plan:

i do plan to upgrade injectors, i found a set of 785cc that were so cheap i planned to purchase them anyway and keep them until later. now i will probably put them in just for the extra headroom... it cant hurt.

however even if i didnt go to bigger injectors, i was planning to spray about 15-20% of a 50/50 mix of water/meth. this would raise my octane and lower my cylinder temps enough to lean out my AFR (combined gasoline + meth) to something closer to 11.8 vs. 11.2 at peak torque (guestimates), even at higher boost. if i was running at the same boost level this would greatly relieve my injectors, or if i ran at a couple pounds more boost they might still be ok.
i agree this would be dangerous in the event of a failure, unless i had an excellent failsafe incorporated into the system, which i will. when it detects a problem it will instantly drop to wastegate pressure and notify me that there is an issue.

[lagos]

how much boost did the car hit on the dyno?
btw, do you have the runfile? can you email it to me? i love collecting them. :)

[TROLL]

Aquamist HFS-5 Water/Methanol Injection:

Stock STi Water Tank on Right, Aquamist HFS-5 Pump hiding on the left, super clean wiring running between the two. Install isnt fully done but I'll post some more photos once we're all finished.

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/trunkpanorama.jpg

Fred (WKDerf) is sicknasty with super clean over the top installs...

[Racersky]

Looking good there Bryan

[TROLL]

thanks... its not much to look at for those who havent done an install but this is going to be a super stealth and clean install... really really nice.
here's a closeup of the pump after it was mounted... i didnt get a pic before but i'll post a generic one.

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/pump.jpg

http://www.iaperformance.com/vbulletin/gallery/data/500/medium/HFS-5m.jpg

[Jeffros Spec V]

Looks expensive!

[TROLL]

only the best for my baby...

[unclelewiewrx]

IMO thats the only meth injection kit to run. Its the safest.

[sisforsurfing]

only the best for my baby...

aha, this made me chuckle.
It looks like it was meant to be there when Subaru made the car, nice job to both of you.

[alwaysinboost]

That is a very good system, probably one of the best engineered ones out now.

What size tank(s) are you going to run?

[TROLL]

I just have a 1 gallon tank, located in the first pic on the right. From what I'm told I should probably have to fill it at about the same rate as I fill my gas tank. If it does go empty I can just keep driving because the failsafe will kick in and lower my boost to a safer level.
I might go to a STi Spec C tank in the future though which bolts to the back of the rear seats and holds 3 gallons.

[jjm4life]

great kit. seen it in action in a buddy's evo. but be careful, even with the failsafes in place, he sold the car and the kid who bought it blew it up a week later. still an awesome kit though.

[TROLL]

dont know how it could have been the fault of the alky if it was installed properly. of course there are a million other ways to blow an engine up too...

[jjm4life]

odds are it wasnt the alchy's fault. but even with the failsafe, bad things can still happen.i bet he just cranked up the boost

[TROLL]

ok so i was bored tonight... i bought this forevvvver ago, and sent the exhaust housing out to be ceramic coated and sent the compressor housing out to be polished becuase i just couldnt resist. only took a month to get the compressor housing back from polishing :roll:
to let you in on the plan completely its a 3" / 8cm FP Green which I'll be using with my current EWG setup. I'm also installing PE 800cc injectors. I already installed an APS 70mm CAI, and an Aquamist HFS-5 system.
I had decided to do all of this before the Supra popped into my life. That kind of confuses things a bit and I wasn't sure if I should carry out this plan with the Subie, but I said F it so I'm moving forward.
Hopefully I'll have the turbo and injectors in soon and can go back for a retune and be done with the Subie for a while. I just want to drive it and enjoy it, I haven't done that in a long time.
Then once the Subie is in good shape I'll start digging into the Supra more :).
Anywho... I'm tired but here's a quick edit of my evening's entertainment...

http://www.bryantroll.com/other/greenpolished.jpg

[D Money]

sooo nice man. Congrats!

[HuffRex]

Nice troll! Very clean!

[~Brian~]

Thats beautiful man, simply beautiful!

[criz]

sooo nice... want to touch the hiney

[CHAOS]

that turbo is beautiful... i also like where you put the meth pump.