412whp SAAB 9-5 ***Updated with engine specs and dyno sheet***

[Raven18940]

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412whp and 460 w lb-ft
It's running the same ECU it came from the factory with and can spin it's wheels in third, sometimes fourth.

God I wish it was mine. :(

EDIT: Details about the parts and dyno sheet
When I first started out building the monster, my intention was to build a streetable car with modest midrange power and be able use the car as a daily driver if needed......not a racecar. Could I have more horsepower??? Of course i could.....peak numbers over 6000 rpm do not excite me, area under the curve does. In fact, bringing the car to 7000 rpms with the stock valve train actually scares me a bit.
My next intention was to use as many stock saab parts as possible to find out just how far the stock setup would take me. Many ancillary components were changed, as well as the pistons and rods, but the rest of the motor was left relatively stock. the recipe is listed below:

engine B235R bored .040" over stuffed with JE pistons and crower rods. The crank, bearings, oil pump etc are all stock saab components. balance shafts and chains were left in place to maintain a nice smooth running mill.

head: stock T7 aero head with stock valves and springs with old T5 cams that I had in the basement. no work was done to this head.....hence my apprehension to bring the rpms over 7000. ARP head bolts used to hold the head in place.

fuelling: a walbro 255 fuel pump was installed in the stock assembly using the stock fuel lines and and stock fuel pressure regulator. Injectors are 630cc Siemens...used in favor of the RC engineering injectors that I purchased twice.

manifold/turbo/exhaust:stainless tubular manifold with swaintech coating. a top mounted a garret GT3076R with a Tial external wastegate(vented to the atmosphere) with a custom 3" stainless exhaust using a catco catalytic converter, magnaflow resonator and big magnaflow muffler to keep things quiet....until the wastegate opens of course. HKS recirculating dump valve. Big Big K&N filter in the wheel well...3" plumbing to turbo.

plugs: NGK BCPR7ES with traditional direct ignition cassette

intercooler:31"x12"x3" Yonaka motorsport with stainless plumbing.

clutch: SPEC stage 3+.......expensive but well worth the money

transmission is stock for now...LSD is on the shelf awaiting a new transmission

software: SQR custom tune

Dave
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[Black Power]

it's ok, but it is still a saab

[Raven18940]

it's ok, but it is still a saab

It's got about 450 hp at the crank and all you have to say is it's "still a SAAB."

[20th1519]

Thats alot of power going to the wheels that steer. Very cool car.

[98GSXdude]

thats awsome, id never expect it if i saw that on the road. hes gonna be making money, lol

[delspool]

holy ****, thats awsome :inlove:

[Black Power]

It's got about 500 hp at the crank and all you have to say is it's "still a SAAB."

yeah, i really don't know what else to say besides i hope he doesn't spill his wendy's frosty in his key hole.

[redline]

it's ok, but it is still a saab


He has the same quote I would of gave you too, You have quoted the same towards other high HP cars!

[Crzyguy972]

thats awsom

[Raven18940]

He has the same quote I would of gave you too, You have quoted the same towards other high HP cars!

Fair enough, I make no attempt to hide the fact that I'm biased toward saabs.

[wgknestrick]

It's got about 500 hp at the crank and all you have to say is it's "still a SAAB."

When did FWD's start to loose 88hp in the transmition?

Does the transmition magically become harder to rotate because you added HP to the engine? 450hp at the crank. A little (and I mean a little) more hp is wasted in heat in the tranny, but you would still be spinning it up that fast on a stock dyno pull.

Not to take anything away from a awesome car with a ton of HP, it's just a pet pieve of mine when people way overestimate hp to the next highest 100hp mark. Carry on.

[S4toSTI]

Why why why would they put a pancake cat on that car.

[SoStock92]

Having worked at Willow Grove Jag/Saab/LR, I can tell you that Saabs are garbage. Talk about the most disconnected, awkward driving car you've ever driven combined with a weird interior. This is not an attack against FWD cars, but to be completely honest, I would never, ever consider a Saab - ever.

[Raven18940]

Fixed for you, though saabs standard drivetrain loss is 15% and that's about 475 hp. What's crazy is that this is by no means the most wild SAAB ever. There are much crazier 9000's running around, pretending to be normal cars.

Having worked at Willow Grove Jag/Saab/LR, I can tell you that Saabs are garbage. Talk about the most disconnected, awkward driving car you've ever driven combined with a weird interior. This is not an attack against FWD cars, but to be completely honest, I would never, ever consider a Saab - ever.

*blink* That's funny cause my 9-5 is one of the easiest and most communicative cars I've ever driven. And the interior is intuitive and easy to use, it's all the other cars out there that are wrong. :P

[SupraJDS]

I like Saabs and Volvos alot, great cars and can be very fast... great sleepers thats for sure, only thing that sucks is most of the aftermarket parts are $$$$$

Raven you ever see any videos of the light green Saab? It is crazy

[b0rN Fr0m JeTs]

*blink* That's funny cause my 9-5 is one of the easiest and most communicative cars I've ever driven. And the interior is intuitive and easy to use, it's all the other cars out there that are wrong. :P



Agreed. I've driven plenty of other cars and i love the way my saab drives, handles, and everything. As for the interior i think it's great.

And to stay on topic that is an awesome project

[sesolcSTI]

Eh, I dunno.....I'm not too impressed. Big horsepower on FWD never really did anything for me. Good for them though, looks like a clean project.

[Albertrt-4]

RAVEN18940 i agree with you dont worry, my buddy has a white 9-5 aero that can take just about anything, and its the best thing in the world when we embarass people on the highway and the look of amazement on their faces hahaha, so it may be just a saab but it can still take half the people on this forum

[TROLL]

looks pretty nicely done to me... i wouldnt take on the project but thats not whats in question. i'm glad there are saab fanatics out there and i'm glad there are civic fanatics and everything else imagineable. how much would it suck if everyone drove the same car with the same engine and the same upgrade path? how about a little show of applause for individuality?

[james_ls]

I wanna see more.

Seems like badass numbers...is it only EXTERNAL work or is there more to those numbers??

[SoStock92]

Fixed for you, though saabs standard drivetrain loss is 15% and that's about 475 hp. What's crazy is that this is by no means the most wild SAAB ever. There are much crazier 9000's running around, pretending to be normal cars.



*blink* That's funny cause my 9-5 is one of the easiest and most communicative cars I've ever driven. And the interior is intuitive and easy to use, it's all the other cars out there that are wrong. :P

Minicoopers are like 11% that's a bit irrelevant - im sure its fast etc, but its not something I'd like to drive.

[JDM87]

that is completly insane. MY mouth wont close.

[Raven18940]

I wanna see more.

Seems like badass numbers...is it only EXTERNAL work or is there more to those numbers??

The only internal work was the rods, pistons, and the massive 750 cc injectors and walboro fuel pump to feed the beast. I don't even think he had to cam it. Just a Garret 3076r turbo and an awesome tune of the Trionic 7 by Frank of SQR of Sweden.

I wish I could tell you more, but the guy who did it has been a little secretive about building, just pics and not a lot of details.

[vwcorradokid]

Fair enough, I make no attempt to hide the fact that I'm biased toward saabs.

I think it's amazing and I don't really care for Saab's too much, but it's still an awesome feat. Let's throw his GTI up on the dyno and see what it puts down. My guess is something WELL under 412hp.

If I were the one saying "that's all?"...that's a different story, but my car is known for being a dyno queen.
I smell a race between a Saab and whatever Blackpower can throw at it. At the track obviously...

[Raven18940]

I smell a race between a Saab and whatever Blackpower can throw at it. At the track obviously...
Let it be known that you're the one starting **** and not me. :) I've got nothing to prove, but I'll be happy to meet him at the strip if he feels the need to prove something. Though I wouldn't put all your money on me, my car is a pig at the strip. :P

[OBEEWON]

Nice, I wish that was a Viggen tho.

[Intercooled T]

don't the new 9-2x Aero's have the WRX turbo motor?

[james_ls]

The only internal work was the rods, pistons, and the massive 750 cc injectors and walboro fuel pump to feed the beast. I don't even think he had to cam it. Just a Garret 3076r turbo and an awesome tune of the Trionic 7 by Frank of SQR of Sweden.

I wish I could tell you more, but the guy who did it has been a little secretive about building, just pics and not a lot of details.

So practically its a "custom" large-turbo upgrade w/pistons.

Friggin badass.

[C'DALERIDER]

Nice. My 2002 9-5 was a very good car for me. i loved the c@ckpit and the ride was very smooth and easy. Handling was not very good but it soaked up everything on the road and got 30+mpg doing 85+mph with fully packed inside.
I think the car in the OP needs BIGGER tires. From what im told, the saab ECU is the most advanced out there.

Intercoolerta: yes, same car as the wrx.

[S4toSTI]

don't the new 9-2x Aero's have the WRX turbo motor?

Yeah basically is everything wrx minus the body.

[james_ls]

Yeah basically is everything wrx minus the body.

Just as the new ones are too...correct??

Like the SAAB wagon (IE: Xotic Motorsports) and the newer STI's//WRX's??

[BMS]

sick nasty

[Black Power]

I think it's amazing and I don't really care for Saab's too much, but it's still an awesome feat. Let's throw his GTI up on the dyno and see what it puts down. My guess is something WELL under 412hp.

If I were the one saying "that's all?"...that's a different story, but my car is known for being a dyno queen.
I smell a race between a Saab and whatever Blackpower can throw at it. At the track obviously...


435whp on 9psi, and the car has been parted out in the last month, so no race for me.:cry: i would have raced though, but never on the street.

[Raven18940]

435whp on 9psi, and the car has been parted out in the last month, so no race for me.:cry: i would have raced though, but never on the street.

Nice, but it's still a volkswagen. :D





Oh that felt nice, but I seriously am impressed. :)

[Black Power]

Nice, but it's still a volkswagen. :D





Oh that felt nice, but I seriously am impressed. :)



we both suck them b/c you have a saab and i have a vw.:thumbup:

[Bsaint]

Thats alot of power going to the wheels that steer. Very cool car.

+1 my point exactly and also the fact that the anything over 250whp in FWD is pointless,

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH8vBUEv8h0

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsPKLDRhyDM

rather have a mini with a pulley...

[SupraJDS]

^ I will admit those videos are great ah

[Raven18940]

we both suck them b/c you have a saab and i have a vw.:thumbup:

Ha ha, yeah I guess so. :)
+1 my point exactly and also the fact that the anything over 250whp in FWD is pointless,

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH8vBUEv8h0

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsPKLDRhyDM

rather have a mini with a pulley...
Do you exist only to dis saabs? Don't you have better things to do? :P

[Bsaint]

Ha ha, yeah I guess so. :)

Do you exist only to dis saabs? Don't you have better things to do? :P

...im not dissing by any means, i leave that to my fine fellas at top gear :thumbup:

[Raven18940]

...im not dissing by any means, i leave that to my fine fellas at top gear :thumbup:

You're looking over the fact the despite all the things wrong with it, Clarkson still really likes the 9-5 aero. ;)

[Bsaint]

You're looking over the fact the despite all the things wrong with it, Clarkson still really likes the 9-5 aero. ;)

you might of missed the fact that a Honda civic is full second faster around a there track, he leaves u with that impression, but listen to what he says.


"Its quite hard why anyone would buy it, instead of a Merc"

"it's not a bargain either"

"inside, there is very little that would put that smile on.... all the people that own them"

"an engineer at Saab once told me that the limit for a fwd car is 220, this has 250"

" the steering is hysterical, its like driving a fast... bouncing castle"

"But, perhaps I missing something, perhaps it’s a bit cutting edge in some other unusual way.... Somehow... I doubt it"

and also ”you have to dig very deep to find the point of this car" hahahahaha

Of course a saab owner pics and chooses what he wants to hear...

[sesolcSTI]

you might of missed the fact that a Honda civic is full second faster around a there track, he leaves u with that impression, but listen to what he says.


"Its quite hard why anyone would buy it, instead of a Merc"
"not a bargain"

"inside, there is very little that would put that smile on.... all the people that own them"

"an engineer at Saab once told me that the limit for a fwd car is 220, this has 250"

" the steering is hysterical, its like driving a fast... bouncing castle"

"But, perhaps I missing something, perhaps it’s a bit cutting edge in some other unusual way.... Somehow... I doubt it

and also ”you have to dig very deep to find the point of this car

Of course a saab owner pics and chooses what he wants to hear...

True, I dont believe that he liked it at all. For what its worth, the cup holder is pretty sick.

[Bsaint]

True, I dont believe that he liked it at all. For what its worth, the cup holder is pretty sick.

+1 and the only part born from jets... the dimming lights :rotfl:

don’t get me wrong I don’t dislike Swedish cars, my favorite car is made by the swedes > Koenigsegg CCX, but my friend has a Saab, and I have driven quite a few, even when he had his stage 3 mods... and the gear box was awful, it wasn’t fun at all, and u can't really do a real b.o.v anyways... I let him take out my car and he just couldn’t stop smiling... and I quote "ummm I want one now, Steve I hate you."

You're looking over the fact the despite all the things wrong with it, Clarkson still really likes the 9-5 aero. ;)

its like the srt-10 one, the car is a P.o.s but he still likes it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-KKYoiFgB4

[10SecS4]

Wanna run that Saab against an Audi?

[Raven18940]

you might of missed the fact that a Honda civic is full second faster around a there track, he leaves u with that impression, but listen to what he says.


"Its quite hard why anyone would buy it, instead of a Merc"

"it's not a bargain either"

"inside, there is very little that would put that smile on.... all the people that own them"

"an engineer at Saab once told me that the limit for a fwd car is 220, this has 250"

" the steering is hysterical, its like driving a fast... bouncing castle"

"But, perhaps I missing something, perhaps it’s a bit cutting edge in some other unusual way.... Somehow... I doubt it"

and also ”you have to dig very deep to find the point of this car" hahahahaha
You're missing the point, the piece is supposed to be him trying to figure out why us silly SAAB owners love our cars so much. Yes they aren't the fastest things for a race track or even at the limit, but somewhere in between the limit of grip and normal speeds, they're great fun to drive. You've gotta work a little to make them go quickly, but they're very easy to drive at the limit if you want to.
Of course a saab owner pics and chooses what he wants to hear...
True, I dont believe that he liked it at all. For what its worth, the cup holder is pretty sick.

Do not doubt my integrity on matters of Top Gear, I've seen ever episode in full and this clip more times than I can count. :)
https://home.comcast.net/~gedavids/Saabending.wmv
And the cup holder does look neat. :)
+1 and the only part born from jets... the dimming lights :rotfl:
Yeah, the rap-around windshield and extremely aerodynamic shape has nothing to do with the aircraft heritage. But you're right, other than the shape the cars have almost nothing to do with planes just like the original saabs back in 1964. Very similiar to BMW.
don’t get me wrong I don’t dislike Swedish cars, my favorite car is made by the swedes > Koenigsegg CCX, but my friend has a Saab, and I have driven quite a few, even when he had his stage 3 mods... and the gear box was awful, it wasn’t fun at all, and u can't really do a real b.o.v anyways... I let him take out my car and he just couldn’t stop smiling... and I quote "ummm I want one now, Steve I hate you."
My car has a much better gearbox, lot less trouble than the 900/9-3, my linkage bushings are worn out though, need to replace them. But I'll gladly drive your car if you want to try and convert me. :)
its like the srt-10 one, the car is a P.o.s but he still likes it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-KKYoiFgB4
I haven't clicked on the link and I can quote my favorite bit.
"You get miles and miles of grip and then we you've reached the limit of adhesion, it kills you." spin
I'm such a top gear nut. :)

[92dxman]

I don't mean to go offtopic but the videos about Jackie Stewart and Captain Slow and the ones about how bad Korean cars are were great to watch.

[Bsaint]

My car has a much better gearbox, lot less trouble than the 900/9-3, my linkage bushings are worn out though, need to replace them. But I'll gladly drive your car if you want to try and convert me. :)

I would in turn if you had something for me to drive, and driving a Saab 9-5 is not sweetening the deal, so that’s quite alright. :)

[ToyotaTat]

It's got about 450 hp at the crank and all you have to say is it's "still a SAAB."

haha i love how nobody can give respect to other people just because they don't like the company of the car....nice car

[Bsaint]

haha i love how nobody can give respect to other people just because they don't like the company of the car....nice car

You’re obviously missing the point, it’s not about that, I respect anything that is fast, nice, shows a lot of work and time into. Its the principle of the matter that its useless power in a FWD car...

You're missing the point, the piece is supposed to be him trying to figure out why us silly SAAB owners love our cars so much. Yes they aren't the fastest things for a race track or even at the limit, but somewhere in between the limit of grip and normal speeds, they're great fun to drive. You've gotta work a little to make them go quickly, but they're very easy to drive at the limit if you want to.

Im not missing the point at all, I have driven many Saabs, there is no reason, I guess i just like something that is pretty fast, street, track and fun to drive all the time, not just work really hard to have a little fun. I can have more fun pulling the E brake in a honda civic, and also be faster around a track.

[Raven18940]

Details about the parts and dyno sheet
When I first started out building the monster, my intention was to build a streetable car with modest midrange power and be able use the car as a daily driver if needed......not a racecar. Could I have more horsepower??? Of course i could.....peak numbers over 6000 rpm do not excite me, area under the curve does. In fact, bringing the car to 7000 rpms with the stock valve train actually scares me a bit.
My next intention was to use as many stock saab parts as possible to find out just how far the stock setup would take me. Many ancillary components were changed, as well as the pistons and rods, but the rest of the motor was left relatively stock. the recipe is listed below:

engine B235R bored .040" over stuffed with JE pistons and crower rods. The crank, bearings, oil pump etc are all stock saab components. balance shafts and chains were left in place to maintain a nice smooth running mill.

head: stock T7 aero head with stock valves and springs with old T5 cams that I had in the basement. no work was done to this head.....hence my apprehension to bring the rpms over 7000. ARP head bolts used to hold the head in place.

fuelling: a walbro 255 fuel pump was installed in the stock assembly using the stock fuel lines and and stock fuel pressure regulator. Injectors are 630cc Siemens...used in favor of the RC engineering injectors that I purchased twice.

manifold/turbo/exhaust:stainless tubular manifold with swaintech coating. a top mounted a garret GT3076R with a Tial external wastegate(vented to the atmosphere) with a custom 3" stainless exhaust using a catco catalytic converter, magnaflow resonator and big magnaflow muffler to keep things quiet....until the wastegate opens of course. HKS recirculating dump valve. Big Big K&N filter in the wheel well...3" plumbing to turbo.

plugs: NGK BCPR7ES with traditional direct ignition cassette

intercooler:31"x12"x3" Yonaka motorsport with stainless plumbing.

clutch: SPEC stage 3+.......expensive but well worth the money

transmission is stock for now...LSD is on the shelf awaiting a new transmission

software: SQR custom tune

Dave
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[BradC]

Why does the motor appear to be running downhill? If it is, WTF did they design it like that for?

[Raven18940]

Why does the motor appear to be running downhill? If it is, WTF did they design it like that for?

Did you read the specs, he wanted it to be streetable. As a result mods that he needs to really break past 400 hp (ie cams, intake manifold, head work, and a bigger throttle body) weren't done as they compromise the off boost performance.

[BradC]

Did you read the specs, he wanted it to be streetable. As a result mods that he needs to really break past 400 hp (ie cams, intake manifold, head work, and a bigger throttle body) weren't done as they compromise the off boost performance.

Yes I read the specs. The fact that he wants it streetable means the motor should not be level?

Look at the picture of heads-on shot of the car. The left side of the motor sits higher then the right, no?

Why is that?

[Raven18940]

Yes I read the specs. The fact that he wants it streetable means the motor should not be level?

Look at the picture of heads-on shot of the car. The left side of the motor sits higher then the right, no?

Why is that?

Ooooooooooooo, I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about the torque curve. :P I'll look at my engine this afternoon, but I think that's just the way they are in the car. On the old C900 the engine was at a 45 degree angle mounted longitudinally.

EDIT: Checked for you Brad and that's just the way the engines are. :)

[D Money]

That's sick. I like, I like.

[evomike]

i must say i have driven many saabs and i have never before driven something more numb and scary

[Raven18940]

i must say i have driven many saabs and i have never before driven something more numb and scary

You just don't know how to listen, they tell you everything that's going on.

[evomike]

No they are just numb and have no feedback it wasn't pleasant to drive I have driven a lot it is twoards the bottom of my list of what I'd want to drive

[Raven18940]

No they are just numb and have no feedback it wasn't pleasant to drive I have driven a lot it is twoards the bottom of my list of what I'd want to drive

No, you're wrong, I drive one everyday, it has great feedback. :roll:

[evomike]

Go drive a real car then compare it to your saab I'm not hatin on that saab I'm sure it burns out forever and goes nowhere

[Raven18940]

Go drive a real car then compare it to your saab

So my car is a toy now. :roll: I've driven many cars and generally prefer my saab, especially over American stuff. You wanna talk about numb, I drove a new Mustang, horrifically awful. They made the steering heavy, but it has absolutely no feel, so what's the point of heavy steering, might as well make it light so it's easy to steer.

[95legenddriver]

i have new respect for the 9-5 DAMN