looking for In-dash Navigation

[CHAOS]

ive decided... after being in a few cars with indash nav that i want it... its way better than mapquest etc.. so why not... plus most are dvd players as well which would be kinda cool..... anyway my requirements for said unit are as follows:

- One DIN space (aka flip up or one that has a decent screen that fits into one DIN space)
- must have decent sound outputs and such
- DVD capable
- HD radio capable (its free, why not get better music for free)
- MP3/WMA capable
- upgradability would be very cool as well.. like if i could hook up a reverse camera to it.. or something like that...

recommendations/suggestions/comments please.

[ToTheIX's]

i know you dont like them but i think jvc has a single din ......i used to have a pioneer flip up that had it but i never used it for that...and a buddy of mine has the eclipse one that is like 4gs....its nice but prob overpriced

[TROLL]

tweeter was having a promotion that fred was telling me about thats really killer but it might not be what you want since i think its a double din and it doesnt play dvds. it was like 1200 though and was a built in nav AND the promotion gave you a portable nav with it for free (ebay = $300).
maybe they are having some other promos too...
but if not i'd say look into the alpine flip outs and either the alpine blackbird which can be integrated or portable or the normal alpine nav. it'll do everything you're looking for.
i'll eventually have my alpine iva-d300 for sale, but still waiting on the in dash replacement for it :(

[CHAOS]

double din is out of the question... but ill check on the other stuff.. i dont like the portable ones either because they take up space on the dash. im trying to work with the space ive got as much as possible as not to clutter it.

ill look into that JVC one... i think i saw it at circuit city and it was pretty nice...

[ToyotaTat]

talk to crzyguy962, he put one in his car last year, pioneer, its really nice and puts out great sound as a head unit

[Crzyguy972]

your basically describing my system, I have a pioneer avic n2 witht he pioneer rearview camera nad i ahve the ipod adapter. Currently there in the avic n3, which allows you to actually see your ipod screen on the screen instead of it working like a cd and you have to hit next track. Mine is dvd capatable, but unless you overide it and void the warranty you can only watch dvds when your parking break is up and your in park. I love the superbass and powerful presets they sound awsome and also you can customize every option of the presets to make it fit your need. The camera work fine its a litle big but not too bad. Have any other questions just pm me or submit in thread.

[CHAOS]

whats ur entire ICE set up? i wasnt aware you had a camera

[Crzyguy972]

ICE??? dont follow

[D Money]

Those rear view camera's are cheap! My friend got one for $30 bucks and it works great with his headunit.

I had a awesome deal on an avic-n3 but the dude flaked. Then I bought a dual audio which was a ****ty brand so I got my money back. Right now I'm looking at an alpine pulse touch, I should have it within the next couple weeks.

[CHAOS]

ICE??? dont follow

in-car entertainment.

[Crzyguy972]

ok ill just go thorugh, i needed a metra kit for the mazda 6 since our stock radio sint a single din set up. Then i have the pioneer avic n2, the gps antenna, the pioneer rear view camera, the ipod adapter that puts my ipod the the glove, 12 jl sub, jl monoblock amp.

[CHAOS]

i kinda like the eclipse unit.. because the nav is HD based and not DVD based... they claim its faster/better...

[S4toSTI]

You really don't need hd radio buttt if you need it the pioneer and alpine pieces don't do that so that is gonna limit you to sony jvc and a few others and in my opinion you should only go with a pioneer or an alpine.

[CHAOS]

well i probably should hear some HD radio first... because i mean its free and they claim way better quality more stations etc... and thats cool.

[Crzyguy972]

i kinda like the eclipse unit.. because the nav is HD based and not DVD based... they claim its faster/better...

idk i mean i awalys have the dvd in and its pretty fast if i make the wrong turn or something, and dvd isnt that big since like i said u ahve to be pared to have it owrking if you dont wnat to void the warranty

[drew]

why not get a portable GPS ? I have a garmin nuvi and it's freaking amazing, was only 700 bucks and it's a flat screen / only like half an inch thick, best part is you can take it with you like your headunit so no ******s will steal it

[Crzyguy972]

why not get a portable GPS ? I have a garmin nuvi and it's freaking amazing, was only 700 bucks and it's a flat screen / only like half an inch thick, best part is you can take it with you like your headunit so no ******s will steal it

idk for somone goign to try to steal my avic they would ahve a hard time.

[MPowerKai]

I had an Avic N2 in my ford probe a while ago. My friend got one for his civic because I had a hookup and someone stole his N2, just the headunit though, ripped it out without the brain.

[Will@TurboTek]

I like my portable Magellan...I can take it in ANY car I drive or ride in. Has saved my butt a few times so far!

[dancemf666]

The avic n2 and n3 are good.I have a guy in philly who sells them remaned for $690.New they are $1500+.And they are usually just open box or etc.But he's pretty cool.
Plus the avic has gauges,navi,dvd (i can bypass for ebrake),rear view,ipod hook up,etcetcetc.
Pics of my n2.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/dancemf/IMG_0304.jpg

[CarbonIS]

i'm interested in this thread cuz i'm also looking for a flip screen navi for the STI,
I already miss my one in the IS...how much does the AVIC-N3 run? and do any
of the subie guys know if it will fit where my clock is so i dont have to lose the
stock headunit?

[dancemf666]

The n3 will fit where the clock is.Fred had his alpine up there.I put mine up there but didnt really like it.

The n3's ipod display is cooler than the n2.Heres a pic.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/dancemf/IMG_0303.jpg

[CarbonIS]

thanks, know how much it runs by any chance? and will my stock headunit still
work or will i have to run solely thru the N3?

[dancemf666]

It looks like the only avic n3 he has is a brand new.Its $1079.
He is a authorized pioneer dealer.You would have to run soley on the N3.I dont think you could do that.But ask fred also.

[CarbonIS]

ok thanks, and sorry for jacking the thread

[CHAOS]

no problem... why would u wanna keep the stock unit tho.. it sucks.

[CarbonIS]

yeah i know, i just hate the look of double din to single

[CHAOS]

then why not do a double din nav set up?

[CHAOS]

bump for more opinions.

[CarbonIS]

then why not do a double din nav set up?

i dont know of any double dins that are as good as the avic-n3...does anyone?

[Crzyguy972]

i dont know of any double dins that are as good as the avic-n3...does anyone?

tha n3 and the pioneer z1 are basically the samet hing. There plat form are very compatible. Also the z1 has a faster reading since it has a larger hard drive. It is fast on re routing a lot of the time.

[CarbonIS]

i had never heard of the z1 i'll have to look into that. thanks.

[TROLL]

N3 is a single din with a 6.5" flipout i believe, and the Z1 is a double din 7". the Z1 looks much nicer IMO and if you find a good deal on one let me know!

[CHAOS]

what im trying to find out is... what are the main differences between dvd based nav. and HD based nav?

[TROLL]

i cant comment on speed which is what you're probably wondering most about... but most DVD based nav cannot do navigation and play a cd/dvd at the same time because it only has one dvd drive. i would assume that the dvd based systems are also slightly slower, although i used to own one and its speed was great.
ok thats the extent of my input, maybe someone else can help more...

[CHAOS]

ive actually seen dvd based nav with two drives.. fwiw

[TROLL]

ah yes i didnt mention that. my alpine nav was separate from the head unit so it had a dedicated nav drive. i think that the N2 and N3 only have one though.

[assault187]

Hey, If your still looking for a DVD nav piece let me know! I can hook you up with The Pioneer AVIC N-3 for a good price, these retail for about $1780.00 ...Pioneer has the most advanced and acurate navigation and has everything you wanted...Let me know

[CHAOS]

i wish i could afford it right now.

[CarbonIS]

Hey, If your still looking for a DVD nav piece let me know! I can hook you up with The Pioneer AVIC N-3 for a good price, these retail for about $1780.00 ...Pioneer has the most advanced and acurate navigation and has everything you wanted...Let me know

what about the z1?

[WKderF]

How this thread went un-noticed by me I will never know. But here is my imput:

as for options:

having nav with a flip-out monitor can be relatively expensive. Pioneer has the N3 which has built in dvd based nav. The only draw back is that when you are entering an address, you will need to eject whatever disc is inside the unit (cd or dvd) and insert the nav disc. you can get around this hassle by using a cd or dvd changer, or using a single dvd or cd player that can link up to the N3. The N3 sells for around $1800. you can also go alpine. the alpine flip outs cost $999-$1300, and you still have to buy the nav portion which will cost $1000 for the HD based version, or $1700 for the DVD based version.

Double DIN: double DIN is increasing in popularity every year. The options & pricepoints are usually:

Double DIN w/ DVD (no nav): $1000
Double DIN w/ nav (no DVD): $1500
Double DIN w/ DVD & NAV: $2000

[Crzyguy972]

what im trying to find out is... what are the main differences between dvd based nav. and HD based nav?

for speed ur talking baout teh difference of seconds, if im driving and i blow teh turn then in about two seconds theres another one for me to take, im dvd based. i cant see it being much if any faster hardrive

[Crzyguy972]

i had never heard of the z1 i'll have to look into that. thanks.

yea no prb the z1 is amazing and looks good too. i wish i could have it but theres no double din kit for the mazda 6

[WKderF]

also, hard drive based nav does not mean its faster than dvd based nav. just ask any 1st gen alpine blackbird owners. the hard drive nav is sinply another way of doing things. one thing i will say is that when it comes time to updating the software, dvd nav is simple: just pop in a new disc. hard drive nav either needs a memory card, or the unit itself has to be hooked up to a pc, or it may even need to be removed & sent to the manufacturer for updating.

[DropTopChevy]

I hear that Kenwood is the only double din that will fit VW's, but I also hear that kenwood is poor quality. Figuring since you are the stereo guru you could help me out with some insight.

[CHAOS]

so to me it seems for ease of use the best set up would be dvd based nav with a dvd/cd changer hooked up... the debate for me is double vs single DIN... my main reasoning for liking single is because you can still have that single DIN pocket right below it for misc. stuff...

[CarbonIS]

yeah but ur car is so clean dude imo that extra slot with the single din looks cheap and out of place...

[CHAOS]

well my car isnt that clean really... a few bad defects... im thinking about getting the vlimited painted to match... but yea.. ill look into some double din units..

[dancemf666]

I've had the avic n1, n2 and n3.And now I have the avic d2. I really got sick of the flip out.But having the extra din is a plus if you need space.
But I have a wagon so I have plenty of space.lol.

[Crzyguy972]

well my car isnt that clean really... a few bad defects... im thinking about getting the vlimited painted to match... but yea.. ill look into some double din units..

i have a flip out screen and when its out it will enver look as clean as a double din. if u wnat to have the car look clean and just flow the double is worth it. plus the extra room u have isnt that much the glove box and cetner console is enoguhr oom for w.e. You will be happier iwth the double din it iwll look nicer.

[CarbonIS]

i have a flip out screen and when its out it will enver look as clean as a double din. if u wnat to have the car look clean and just flow the double is worth it. plus the extra room u have isnt that much the glove box and cetner console is enoguhr oom for w.e. You will be happier iwth the double din it iwll look nicer.

i agree.

[S4toSTI]

I would seriously say avic Z1 if you would ever care about bluetooth. If not i would say get the w200 from alpine and add on nav.

To add.

z1 2250 msrp
w200 + nav 2700.

Those are the regular prices you can surely find better prices online but remember online prices bring online service.

[assault187]

the Z1 runs around 2500...you gotta have some deep pockets for that...I would go with the eclipse double din nav/dav piece or the Pioneer avic n-3 or D-2 if you like the double din with no dvd or the Z-1 if you can afford it. whatever way you fellas go DONT BUY OPEN BOX OR OFF-LINE...or you simply wont get any type of warranty. Buy from a lisenced retailer or someone who works at one...when theses units break...your usaully looking at around 500.00-900.00 to repair W/O warranty

[S4toSTI]

the Z1 runs around 2500...you gotta have some deep pockets for that...I would go with the eclipse double din nav/dav piece or the Pioneer avic n-3 or D-2 if you like the double din with no dvd or the Z-1 if you can afford it

Its actually 2250 now. And i would reccomend to anyone i know (i know jon and he is a nice guy) anything that wasn't pioneer or alpine for nav.

To add the d2 is not a bad thing but no dvd play back no bluetooth smaller screen and a few other things.

[CHAOS]

bluetooth is a huge bonus... i dont like talkign on my phone in the car... hands free is where its at

[S4toSTI]

bluetooth is a huge bonus... i dont like talkign on my phone in the car... hands free is where its at

If bluetooth is important the only nav unit to get is the Z1.

[CHAOS]

who sells that?

[WKderF]

most pioneer dealers sell the Z1. I know Tweeter does. I own one. :)