boost levels?

[joe tom]

hey, now i was always under the assumption that the stock boost level, on a 2003 wrx was around 13.5-14psi, but i installed a psi boost gauge in my wagon, and am getting some crazy readings, like 14psi in 1st, and close to 19psi in 3rd. now i did hook up the new gauge to the factory boost gauge line, could that be the reason for these odd readings? :screwy:

and just for the record, i haven't used a mbc, but do plan on getting one real soon, what psi is safe to run on a stock wrx turbo?

thanks :thumbup:

[TROLL]

what brand gauge? i dont think its reading right. you should hit 9ish psi in 1st and 2nd, and a max of 14.5 or so in 3rd, 4th, 5th. if its more than 1 psi off from there then somethign is up.
is your engine completely stock?
and fyi you will hit boost cut at 18 psi with no other mods, and you'd know if it happend.
bryan

[joe tom]

its an autometer, ultra light comp? i think...

i do have an sti intercooler, sti injectors, magnaflow tbe, and k&n (typhoon) cai, but i don't think that any of that would effect boost level, right?

i was just re-checking installation instructions, and i think i need to use the supplied hose, rather than the factory hose, it seems like it would secure a better connection to the back of the gauge.

hmm...

[stichris]

A bad connection wouldn't make it read more boost. Do WRX'ers usually run larger injectors without engine management?

[joe tom]

i'm not sure, i bought it this way, my gas mileage sucks balls. i want em, but as always, i'm broke.

[wrx_snobordr]

Those are some crazy reading. With a down pipe some people have said that you may gain 1 psi but thats normally a spike then it levels off again. My readings are right around 14. As far as adding a boost controller goes I would do some research first. Wrx's have a prob with partial throttle full boost which isnt good. Also, the stock td-04 efficiency range is up to 17psi, after that point you are just pushing to much hot air.

[the mike]

You should read no more than 14.5 psi or so.
With an MBC you should safely be able to boost to 16.5. Just do a search on NASIOC for "PTFB", or part throttle full boost. THat would be your only other concern.
CarWidow might have an MBC she isn't using, she's on the fence about putting it on. I'll let you know.

[GSXDCY]

the exhaust and intake could be making the car boost creap

[the mike]

Yeah, but like Troll said fuel cutoff is around 17.7 psi. You would know if you ran into this, feels like the trans fell out.

[TROLL]

hmm... you should really look into that larger injector thing... as far as i know its is not possible to correctly run a car with sti injectors but no engine management. maybe your car has some sort of engine management? if not its dumping about 25% extra fuel into the mix without realizing it.
if you need some wrx injectors we could always trade :D.
bryan

[SexyDSM95]

You know that Autometer boost gauges are off by 1 psi right? The only accurate gauges are the expensive ones like Defi. As for it reading 19, I have no clue on that. I have the same boost gauge if yours is boost/vac? I would check the line if I were you and make sure your connections are right where that T is (if it's boost/vac). Chris is right though, a bad connection would not read more psi it would actually read less or not at all.

[joe tom]

hey guys, thanks for all of the info, i fixed it though, when i used the nylon hose, i got a crimp that lead to a pin-sized hole in the line, i replaced it and now it's reading fine, right around 13-14psi.

what could i look for as a sign that my car may have some sort em?

[stichris]

Do front seat passengers often complain about a lack of legroom?

[the mike]

My guess is the car was modded with a bigger turbo at one point and was taken off to trade or sell. Probably had management of some sort too. Just a guess.

[TROLL]

yeah bigger injectors basically go hand in hand with engine management and an upgraded turbo. when will you be able to make it out to a meet? myself or someone else who knows what to look for can surely give it a look over to check for signs of mods...
bryan

[joe tom]

well i was planning on going to atco this thursday, but if i get back early enough and your still at RR, i'm sure i could stop up. 2k5_tC and i were up at RR last thursday, but there wasn't much going on, and it was getting cold, so we didn't stay long. i would really appreciate if you guys could help me out :D

oh, and i peeled back the carpet, and looked for a utec, or something like that, but didn't see anything that looked aftermarket, so i still don't know about the em on my car. for what its worth, i only get like 16-17 miles to the gallon...kinda blows.

[TROLL]

hey i just looked at your cardomain site... thats your car right? cause there's an aftermarket turbo on there... looks like an IHI... maybe a VF22? you said you have an autometer boost gauge and thats the factory lamco gauge... lemme know.
bryan

[joe tom]

yeah, there was a factory installed lamco, but i just changed it out to an autometer (sorry no pics yet)

are you telling me that there is a different turbo on my car?! wow, thats cool, what is the difference between a factory turbo , and what i have on there? it does say IHI on it, although i am not sure if it is a vf22.

[MuddyREX]

I wish I had a surpirse upgraded turbo on my car and didn't know it. :roll:

[TROLL]

ha yeah the factory turbo isnt that pretty... if it says IHI its upgraded. that means its most likely a VF30, VF34, or VF22. the 30 and 34 are very similar, spool pretty early and are capable of about 260-280 whp or so with supporting mods and a good tune, the VF22 doesnt spool as early but is capable of 280-300 with a good tune.
dont know what you're up to today but you should try to swing by my place and i'll look over your car for you. shoot me a pm with your number and i'll give you a call if you're free today.
bryan

[joe tom]

wow, this is great, i'm gonna guess it's a vf30-34, because it spools up pretty quickly, but that is such a suprise! at the same time i feel like a retard for not noticing this in the first place! now this give me more hope that my car may have some secret EM that is hiding from me, waiting to be found! :supz:

[TROLL]

yeah, basically your car has 50 more hp than you knew about. i'm jealous.
bryan

[wrx_snobordr]

That is awesome, If you dont have an EM buy one instantly and have mass power!!! I wish my car came with all those upgrades. What is your cardomain address?

[TROLL]

click the www link at the bottom of his post. and yeah i am still hoping you have a reflash or something because just the bigger injectors wouldnt really be able to run correctly on their own. do you know where you got the car to go back and ask the previous owner?
bryan

[joe tom]

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/650889

here is my site, butsome of the pics are real outdated

[joe tom]

i bought the car from reedman toll, but due to privacy laws, they wouldn't give me his name or anything, all i know is that he lived in the princeton area. when i bought the car, they where asking like 21999, but i was able to use some of the mods to my advantage, plus i know the markup process really well, and i got the car for 17000 plus tax and tags. it was a steal!

[sisforsurfing]

Wow, nice job beating down that price. Any haggling tips you could PM me so we don't go totally off topic, I'd appreciate it since i'm going from a dealer. That would be raddd.

And congrats on the new turbo! Even if it was already there...

[Brett99GST]

WRX's come with a tdo4 turbo? Thats rad! First gen DSM's come with a tdo4 14b turbo, that turbo can be pushed to 20 PSI with supporting mods. Also, what kind of whp numbers can WRX's handle on stock internals. DSM's are good for 350-400 whp with proper tunning of course. I've heard of a guy that went mid-low 11's on stock block, stock head, and stock trans. Not many can claim that though. Usually once you get out of the 12s you need some kind of forged pistons.

[joe tom]

i wanna thank brian, charles, and kyle, it was nice meeting you guys today. it is nice to be able to talk to others and share knowledge with each other.
you guys rock :rock:
thanks again, and i look forward to seeing you at future meets