Blown head gasket?

[180sxDrifter]

so I got my 14b all installed today, but I got onto the road and as soon as I floor it I get a huge very think white cloud of smoke that you cant see through......
I then check my anti freeze and this is what it looks like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/BSPerformance/DSC01672.jpg

[teh DIRT]

yup. def a headgasket.

[180sxDrifter]

Any1 know wheres a good reputibale shop that'll replace it and not charge out the ars for it?

[teh DIRT]

do it yourself? whether its an sr or a ka your headgasket it pretty accessible from what i can tell.

[180sxDrifter]

its a 98 Eclipse GSX

I was thinken about doing it myself but its looks likes its gonna be a pain

[teh DIRT]

oh i just thought it was the car in your sig. yeah i duno man, for me even if ive never done a repair before...im gona try. get a hold of some factory service manuals and goto town

[markley02]

I would do it myself. Get some manuals like he said and a couple friends. Plus there should be plenty of people on here that know the 4G63.

[SexyDSM95]

Do it yourself! Don't be such a sissy, if I can do it so can you! Just remember to stick to OEM Multilayer HG as a replacement don't go with that FelBLOW crap.

P.S. Do some simple stuff to before you get on this project just to be 100% sure. Do a compression check (free), check your oil (drain it into a clear bottle to see if coolant seperates from the oil - free), and do the basics. This way you are sure of what it is so you don't go replacing something that is not broken.

Actually I just repeated what someone else from another forum told you:
Oh, not good signs man!

Do a checklist for head gasket failure. Check your coolant and see if it's beign mixed with oil, watch your engine temps. and see if they're steady or not, do a compression test, you already know there's white smoke, and plus there's coolant in your exhaust.

I hate to say it, but you might need to do a headgasket job from the sounds of things. But obviously you won't know completely until you try out some tests to confirm that's the problem.

BUT, the coolant in your exhaust could also just be because your T-25 was finished...

[180sxDrifter]

thier was no coolant in the oil

Here is how the story goes, I installed the 14b using the install kit from extreme psi.
I then took the car out for a test drive down the street. It had little smoke but nothing noticeable really. Then I truned onto treton rd and floored it got to full boost and then bam the engine like cut out and thier was a huge cloud of white smoke coming out the exhuast, that was so thick it caused the cars behind me to stop lol. Then their was the smoke from where oil spewed out of the oil line onto the engine. So we pushed the car back to my house.

The S.S. oil line that connects the turbo to the oil filter hosuing was loose where it connected to the turbo and spewed oil all over the engine....thier was porblem #1.. but when I went to take the lower coolant hose off the turbo all that white milky coolant poored out and now I think I guess I have a blown head gasket from what I can tell.. I have a compression tester but not sure how to use it

[koho2731]

if you do swap ut the HG make sure you do all the timing belt/ bs and water pump while your at it'll save you in the long run. Also a compression ck may or may not tell you if your HG is blown you need to do a bleed down ck and a coolant pressure ck to tell for sure.

[SexyDSM95]

I have a compression tester but not sure how to use itTake out a spark plug (DO NOT TAKE OUT ALL 4 at ONCE!), screw in the other end (which doesn't have the gauge). Crank the car maybe 5-6x, and no the car will not start. Have a friend or you read the gauge, write it down. Do it to all 4 cylinders and see if there is a huge difference in readings. Usually if you have lower compression or it's 5-10 off between cylinders then something is up.

When you hit full boost, what was your psi set at?

[Gorilla Unit 33]

i know JC8898 does great DSM work if you wanna check to see if hell do it

[KrautFed20V]

unplug the coil packs to make sure the engine doesn't start when doing the compression check, and you should def do it yourself it's not too hard a job.

[180sxDrifter]

ok I blew the head gasket for sure and hydrolocked 3 of the 4 cylinders....s o what do you gusy think iI should do?

get a new engien or swap out the head gasket?

I am hearing differnt things, like if i repalce the head gasket after its been hydrolcked it might cause me to throw a rod

[EvlEgl]

6 Bolt swap.

[180sxDrifter]

yeah but the thing is I havent work at all over summer, so I have no money.. But to repalce the head gasket is wayyy cheaper.

I just need to know if the car will be fine once I get all the coolant thats in the engine out and raplace the HG.

[EvlEgl]

well hydrolock is never good for a motor...Especially a 4g63...How long did it run before you realized it wasnt quite working right?

[180sxDrifter]

um as soon as it started smoking I pushed the car home,
then after sitting for a day we tried cranking it and the neg batt cable sparked.. then I tried agien and it wouldnt do anything so the starter is screwed.

but then we pushed the car with the plugs out while it was ingear and it shot some of the coolant out

so I was thinken repalcing the HG, timeing belt, and starter

[SpendOne]

So the motor doesnt crank over?? If its locked then the cynlinders arent moving. I would be more than happy to lend you a hand for a minimal fee. I would not charge you out the arse. We can probbaly have the HG swapped, if thats the case, in 3-4 hours.

[180sxDrifter]

yeah I turn the key and nothing.. so my guess is the starter is screwed from tryin to start it with all that coolant in the cylinder

so you think the starter would need replacing along with the HG? and even though coolant got into the cylinder the car will be fine.. I'd be up for payin u to help me out cause I have no experiance really with engines

[koho2731]

The starter may not be bad. Pull all the plugs and hit the starter again if it rotates the the starter is good. With a place for the fluid to go the engine should rotate fine. I hope nothing eles got messed up when you tried to start it before

[180sxDrifter]

yea I already pulled all the plugs and me and my dad pushed the car while it was in gear and it shot the coolant out of where the plugs would be and still wouldnt crank after that but thier could still be too much coolant in the cylinders mayb fo rit to crank

[ej20wrx123]

Take out a spark plug (DO NOT TAKE OUT ALL 4 at ONCE!), screw in the other end (which doesn't have the gauge). Crank the car maybe 5-6x, and no the car will not start. Have a friend or you read the gauge, write it down. Do it to all 4 cylinders and see if there is a huge difference in readings. Usually if you have lower compression or it's 5-10 off between cylinders then something is up.

When you hit full boost, what was your psi set at?
You should also pull the MPI fuse so the injectors dont fire.
why not pull all 4? I just did a compression test on the galant yesterday and pulled all 4 at once with no ill effects.
compression is still within in spec as long as they are within 10%.

[SexyDSM95]

You should also pull the MPI fuse so the injectors dont fire.
why not pull all 4? I just did a compression test on the galant yesterday and pulled all 4 at once with no ill effects.
compression is still within in spec as long as they are within 10%.I only do it one at a time so I know which spark plug wire goes where. With DSMLink the firing order is different.

[awdlaserbeam]

cant you just try to manually crank the motor and see if its seized or not

[koho2731]

cant you just try to manually crank the motor and see if its seized or not
:iagree: you have the best idea yet and the safest too

[SpendOne]

Let me know what you wana do. I have a spare starter sitting here too.

[ej20wrx123]

I only do it one at a time so I know which spark plug wire goes where. With DSMLink the firing order is different.
i just remember where each one goes. What do you mean w/ the dsmlink the firing order is different? What does that have to do w/ a comp test?

[SexyDSM95]

i just remember where each one goes. What do you mean w/ the dsmlink the firing order is different? What does that have to do w/ a comp test?Forget it, I don't feel like explaning it. It's not hard to understand that the firing order is changed if you have DSMLink on the 2GB.