JP MONTOYA going to NASCAR

[olmytsi]

Juan Pablo Montoya just announced that he will be driving the Ganassi Racing #42 Dodge in Nascar in 2007. I think it's good to see an F1 driver going to NASCAR!

ps: the press conference is on speed right now

[HickRocket1258]

I saw this and was very surprised to hear someone from F1 coming to NASCAR. Lets say he has a lot to learn before he can really drive a nascar. It is a lot different. I know his first year is not going to be the best though. I saw him talk during the NASCAR race today at Chicago and am interested to see where this goes. To have someone come from F1 to nascar is real nice.

[TurboTagTeam]

Wow...What an idiot. How could you leave the most technically advanced cutting edge motor sport in the world to drive a NASCAR???? No doubt there was serious money involved.

[peteyturbo]

I'm pretty sure that is the ONLY reason!!!Wow...What an idiot. How could you leave the most technically advanced cutting edge motor sport in the world to drive a NASCAR???? No doubt there was serious money involved.

[wgknestrick]

Maybe he got tired of bangin hot european chicks and rather bang hot, redneck american girls instead. You never know.

[htheduck]

Interesting announcement. He's got some work cut out for him.
Must have been a big $ move.

[OBEEWON]

Thats like a chess champ making a switch to wrestling.

[olmytsi]

Wow...What an idiot. How could you leave the most technically advanced cutting edge motor sport in the world to drive a NASCAR????

EXACTLY why he left. It's boring. It's all about technology. He explained it all in the press conference. He said that you usually know who's gonna win when the race starts and it gets old real quick and many more reasons.

[TurboTagTeam]

The technology part is why it's so cool. What's better than racing a 10,000,000$ car 220mph around the streets of monaco??? Certainly not NASCAR.

NASCAR's race winners are decided by whose got the best mechanic/engine builders. Mechanics win NASCAR races.

[htheduck]

I like all kinds of 4 wheeled motorsports. BUT: something about 43 competitors, 3600 lbs and about 800 hp each- makes it seem more raw.

There's a little more contact in stock car racing. I like the chess -> WWF analogy.

[jackpriceisgod]

dana patrick is in talks now too to switchover to NASCAR

[olmytsi]

The technology part is why it's so cool. What's better than racing a 10,000,000$ car 220mph around the streets of monaco??? Certainly not NASCAR.

The word better is very subjective. I think my dsm is better than your rx7. You think your rx7 is better than my dsm. I think pussy is better than ass. The queer next door thinks ass is better than pussy. :)

[driftingeric2k4]

Why would an F1 driver dumb himself down so much and go to the left hand races?

Well, I have long maintained the position that IF a F1 driver were to ever cross to NASCAR that they would dominate because F1 drivers are technically superior to NASCAR drivers.

But still, to go to a formula car with all the bells and whistles and the best that motoring can offer to a carbed car....sheesh.

[bastid]

EXACTLY why he left. It's boring. It's all about technology. He explained it all in the press conference. He said that you usually know who's gonna win when the race starts and it gets old real quick and many more reasons.

Hahaha and NASCAR isn't boring?

Straight.... turn left.... straight... turn left.... straight... turn left.... straight... turn left...

The truth behind it is money and the fact that JPM is past his prime in the F1 circuit. If he was that great of a driver he'd be driving for a team that is "known to win before the race starts."

[HickRocket1258]

I bet he will struggle once he gets to NASCAR. NASCAR is so much different than the F1s. Give him a couple years then maybe he will be ok. And Danica shouldn't come to NASCAR. She still has yet to make a name for herself in IRL. Only way she is even famous in it is because she is a woman in the sport. She has yet to win a race in IRL.

[OBEEWON]

Nascar makes me dizzy, I have yet to watch more than 2 consecutive laps. You watch F1/IRL/GT/JGTC etc. to see racing, and you watch NASCAR to see crashes and redneck women shake thier bon bons. Case and point, how boring was that movie Days of Thunder?

Speaking of movies, I HAVE to see that movie Taladega Nights /Ballad of Ricky Bobby.

[driftingeric2k4]

Nascar makes me dizzy, I have yet to watch more than 2 consecutive laps. You watch F1/IRL/GT/JGTC etc. to see racing, and you watch NASCAR to see crashes and redneck women shake thier bon bons. Case and point, how boring was that movie Days of Thunder?


Couldn't have said it any better myself. F1, GT, JGTC and MotoGP are where its at. That's real racing!

[HickRocket1258]

Nascar is real racing too. More than just driving around in circles. They lose up to 10lbs a race. It gets to be 140 degress in the ****pit all the time. At least their racing is closer than any of the other stuff. In F1 the leader will pull away on the first lap and thats that. Nascar is the second most watched sport next to football.

[bastid]

Nascar is real racing too. More than just driving around in circles. They lose up to 10lbs a race. It gets to be 140 degress in the ****pit all the time. At least their racing is closer than any of the other stuff. In F1 the leader will pull away on the first lap and thats that. Nascar is the second most watched sport next to football.

You don't think F1 drivers lose that much weight during a single race?

One more correction to keep the debate going:

NASCAR is the second most watched sport next to football in America.

[jackpriceisgod]

NASCAR is the second most watched sport next to football in America.


well, the last time I checked, we live in America

[HickRocket1258]

You don't think F1 drivers lose that much weight during a single race?

One more correction to keep the debate going:

NASCAR is the second most watched sport next to football in America.
I'm not saying that they don't because I'm sure they do. And yes I meant in America anyways. That is where we live. I think that it is a pretty damn big sport to be if you are just second to football. I'm not rattin on F1 but I'm just trying to say that Nascar is not that boring and deserves a lot more respect than it gets.

[TurboTagTeam]

I can gurantee you that F1 has a larger viewing audience worldwide than NASCAR.

I just attended the F1 race at Indy. I can tell you without a doubt that it is WAY more entertaining than NASCAR. I'v been to NASCAR races. It's a bunch of barechested hicks getting drunk and waiving confederate flags.
Were at Indy I saw real racing enthusiasts. Most of the people I meet in the various places that were were sitting, were experienced racing drivers.

[jackpriceisgod]

what does having experience in the sport you are watching have to do with being a fan?

i think it goes further to say that more peopel who watch NASCAR do not have racing experience, but they still love to watch it. your going out to say that only peopel with experience can watch INDY, because perhaps maybe it is not as entertaining unless you have the inside scoop on it.

which would make NASCAR more popular, because those without the experience in it still love it

[HickRocket1258]

Alright so you guys have your own opinion. I never said Nascar was better than F1 or anything. I like Nascar more and always will. It's just the racing doesn't seem close compared to Nascar, that's all. To each their own opinion.

[bastid]

well, the last time I checked, we live in America

As an American sport? Yes, it is the second most popular (to football, another sport that has zero popularity anywhere else). The reasoning behind that is the American history of muscle/hp wars and driving as fast as possible in as straight a line as possible. This is because the licensure of motor vehicles in America is a joke compared to Europe (for instance).

Not hating, it's just not for me. I can see the entertainment value of NASCAR. I'm not arguing that...

Here's a quote that I found that pretty much sums up my opinion:

"NASCAR is a racing series designed to give their fans a quick thrill but nothing more, F1 is for patient and true motorsports fan willing to see motorsport as an art form and appreciate what the limits of driver skill (as well as technical skill) can be."

That being said... when is the last time a NASCAR driver was put through nearly 5g's from 4 separate directions?

There are fewer F1 drivers than there are astronauts...

Side note: I'm glad that the difference in opinion on this forum are pretty civil and not immature or slandering:thumbup:

[HickRocket1258]

Side note: I'm glad that the difference in opinion on this forum are pretty civil and not immature or slandering:thumbup:
I'll have to agree with you on that. I'm glad this has not gotten totally out of hand. I know that nascar drivers haven't been through g forces like F1 drivers but they do have a lot more mechanics to them I want to say. Like they have to always keep the car tweeked right between stops like adjusting the wedge, tire pressure and everything. I guess you guys have some of the same things but these are two totally different chassis's. It does take driver skill in Nascar as well.

[TurboTagTeam]

"NASCAR is a racing series designed to give their fans a quick thrill but nothing more, F1 is for patient and true motorsports fan willing to see motorsport as an art form and appreciate what the limits of driver skill (as well as technical skill) can be."

That being said... when is the last time a NASCAR driver was put through nearly 5g's from 4 separate directions?

There are fewer F1 drivers than there are astronauts...

Wow. I totally agree. You pretty much summed up my thoughts. I was having difficulty wording it.

[bastid]

It does take driver skill in Nascar as well.

No denying that one bit! They (drivers) are two different machines. The NASCAR guys are more in tune with what they have to deal with: maintaining speed, passing, pits, car setup, etc. On the same note, F1 drivers have their own similar and unique concerns: fuel, pits, car setup, course management, etc. I think on an entertainment value, NASCAR has more to offer if you want to see more passing. I think for the puritans of motorsports, F1 is the mecca. Different strokes...

My final argument:

You won't find women like this in the pits at NASCAR :banana:

[olmytsi]

Hahaha and NASCAR isn't boring?

Straight.... turn left.... straight... turn left.... straight... turn left.... straight... turn left...

The truth behind it is money and the fact that JPM is past his prime in the F1 circuit. If he was that great of a driver he'd be driving for a team that is "known to win before the race starts."

Boring to watch. Try driving at 170+ with 20 other cars on a 3 lane road when evrybody is trying to get to the front using just about the same line and then tell me it's boring.

[bastid]

Boring to watch. Try driving at 170+ with 20 other cars on a 3 lane road when evrybody is trying to get to the front using just about the same line and then tell me it's boring.

Try doing all of the above and having to use brakes and turn right :mrgreen:

I'll concede and admit that NASCAR is less boring in regards to the amount of passing, etc that is done on an average race. However, there's something about watching a pack of cars go in circles all day... that... puts... me.. :sleep: I can't even type it without yawning :-p

And then I wake up only to find that I'm going to watch the same thing the following week on a circle in... a.. :sleep:

:thumbup:

[olmytsi]

Again, you guys are arguing the watching part. I'm talking from a driver's perspective which is what is being discussed here in case you forgot :)

[bastid]

Again, you guys are arguing the watching part. I'm talking from a driver's perspective which is what is being discussed here in case you forgot :)

From a driver's perspective it probably isn't boring at all. However, I'm not a NASCAR driver, I'm a motoring enthusiast... so I'm not sure what you're getting at :)

Given the chance to drive an F1 car or a NASCAR, which would you choose?

I'd choose the one that goes 0-100-0 in less than 8 and pulls 4 lateral g's, naturally :mrgreen:

[olmytsi]

Well we are talking about MONTOYA'S move to NASCAR, not whether or not YOU watch NASCAR. MONTOYA= DRIVER, not spectator. That's what i'm getting at.

[bastid]

Well we are talking about MONTOYA'S move to NASCAR, not whether or not YOU watch NASCAR. MONTOYA= DRIVER, not spectator. That's what i'm getting at.

Oh sure, bring it back on topic why don't you :-p

Montoya's move to NASCAR = money. That, and a lack of consistent placement on the F1 circuit. The technology thing is rather BS, seeing how he'd be offered a spot as a driver on a more "technologically advanced" team if he won more races.

[olmytsi]

Lol. Let's see how he does in Nascar tho. I look at it as a new experience for him which i find much more attractive than staying in F1 just because it's the "top" of the racing scene.

[OBEEWON]

Montoya is going to fall asleep after 30 laps of left turns and crash.

Ricky Bobby FTW.

[OBEEWON]

Nascar is real racing too. More than just driving around in circles. They lose up to 10lbs a race. It gets to be 140 degress in the ****pit all the time.

Hey I saw that commercial too!! Gatoraid right?!

[htheduck]

Very compelling arguements for both racing series. I can watch both and enjoy all 4 wheeled motorsports. However-I've never attended an F1 race, so I can't speak from experience about that.

While F1 is cutting edge technology, vehicle management, and some fantastic reaction time by drivers - it's not accessible for the 'common' person. It is a big money sport-and I assume surrounded by a similar fan base.

The Nascar events are just more accessible. Nascar drivers are as well: they love what they do and are humble, down-to-earth, red-blooded Americans, knowing that it takes massive amounts of sponsorship dollars to keep them racing each weekend. Most know where they come from.

So preferences for racing series-is like our individual preferences for a drivetrain in out cars: fwd/rwd/awd - blah blah blah.

Discussions could go on forever.

[cravej]

No doubt there was serious money involved.I think nobody was willing to pay him to stay in F1. He lost his ride, nobody else wanted him, so he had to move on.

That's my opinion.

[moorefire]

::yawn::

f1 is lame

[olmytsi]

Press conference TRANSCRIPT http://www.brickyard400.com/news/print.php?story_id=1458

[OBEEWON]

I cant believe I read most of that. See, even Jeff Gordon said F1 was more fun.