Willow Grove Air Show this weekend...

[Bobert540]

Anyone going?? Is there a good place to sit outside of the airfield to watch? I dunno if anyone else is going with me on sunday so I fig. If I can go sit somewhere it wouldn't be that bad. I have never been to a show there before only at Andrews Air Force Base.

[R33P3R007]

was going to go, had tickets and all, but got called into work. had to give up the tickets.

I never been there before either.

[Bobert540]

ahhh that's a bummer. I have always wanted to go down since it's not too far away. I wish the Blue Angels were there though. The thunderbirds will suffice i guess lol.

[USMCEVO]

If you are going the traffic is out of this world. It sucks!!! Ill be there but to work not have fun and actually enjoy myself. If you are looking for a place to park outside the base and watch, get there in the morning. Lancers dinner is good.

[SexyDSM95]

I am working that show BOO!!!

[teh DIRT]

blue angels gona be there? im working.

last time i went we had to leave early but we pulled over on the main road just as the blues did a low pass over our heads....it was amazing.

[Bobert540]

I plan on leaving early sun morn. so maybe I will go to Lancers diner and hang out there

[05Accent]

eh i might go.. first time iv been to an air show since i lived in San Diego.. that had some great ones.. well see

[cburwell]

I'm thinking about going up on Saturday or Sunday. It should be a good opportunity for some good pictures.

[05Accent]

ahhh that's a bummer. I have always wanted to go down since it's not too far away. I wish the Blue Angels were there though. The thunderbirds will suffice i guess lol. yea thats the thing about the air show in San Diego.. the blue angels were always there. They are the best.. one year i even met all the Pilots. (my grandmother worked there she yea) :)

[bastid]

I would suggest taking the back roads and avoiding the turnpike exit/entrance like the plague. Excess of 250,000 people this weekend...

Last I heard the Blue Angels will not be in attendance, but the Thunderbirds will..

[05Accent]

Blue Angels FTW

[20th1519]

No blue angels but there is a tactical demonstration from an F-15. I went last year and the F-16 doing the Demo was incredible. There is nothing like the sound of a pure jet at full tilt. Just plain awesome.

[05Accent]

naa whats really awesome in miramar(san diego) during the air show. they were doing a deno and all of the sudden a b-2 stealth bomber came flying right over our heads in the stands.. it was awesome seeing that thing fly.. then seeing it up close.. great plane!

[USMCEVO]

the b-2 is smaller than I thought. I saw one in guam. Its insane to think what that plane is able to do.

Hay anyone who is going to the show, can you keep the trash (F.O.D.) to a minimum. We'd all be very thank full on base after the clean up.

[hummerman88]

well maybe ill see some of you there. ill be in air force dress blues, lol ya cant miss me......im stuck recruiting

[bastid]

Right now they are flying over my office on Horsham Road, and I'm playing golf at Commonwealth at 3pm today. Talk about some fly by action! It's incredible... The F-18 is out practicing now... absolutely insane stuff

[05Accent]

i love the f-18 hornet.. best airplane in my book. i think its just becase the blue angels fly them, and i went to my frist air show when i was 3. and loved them ever since.

[USMCEVO]

I used to work on them (f-18's)down in beaufort SC. Its the best to sit there on the carrior and watch'em launch...i wish my car would do that HAHAHA

[05Accent]

haha!!! i always wanted to be on a carrier.. what one were u on?

[USMCEVO]

USS Rosevelt for OEF. It was fun. It got really mundane after a while. You gotta step back and think about what your doing. Its nuts how many things are going on at the same time. Not getting drunk for 5 months really kills your tolerance tho...lol

[05Accent]

haha.. yea i always wanted to join the navy and fly when i was younger.. i dont have the perfect eyes that u need to fly so i couldnt anyways now. so ill just go to college instead..

[Scapegoat]

don't need perfect eyes to fly, your sight does need to be able to be correctable though.

Its the physical tests that are killer and that keep people from flying.

I'd join to fly, if I wasn't too old already.

[Bobert540]

went down today and had a good time. I sat in the regal cinema lot by cold stone creamery. Front row, little hot in the sun lol, but it was neat seeing all of the jets flying overhead.

[cburwell]

I went too, and I was impressed. I was on the other side of the base next to the marrot hotel when the stealth bomber came by. I wish i was inside for that! Later on I drive around a went inside the base. You didn't have to pay a dime, and you were able to get good seats near the runway.

[eastsidesuby19]

I went on Saturday, show was good...but not as good as the previous years ive been to. The Blue Angles def FTW. But ill post some pics up as soon as i dump them onto my computer. Its honestly took me 1 1/2 hours to leave the parking lot. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/eastsidesuby19/th_F15.jpg (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/eastsidesuby19/F15.jpg)
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[05Accent]

that mustang is bad ass!!!
the airshow was only this weeked right?

don't need perfect eyes to fly, your sight does need to be able to be correctable though.

Its the physical tests that are killer and that keep people from flying.

I'd join to fly, if I wasn't too old already.
humm wtf then that guy in Miramar said i did.. humm.. un sure i can pass the physical test.. hopefully. ha

[WRX27]

We parked in the Regal lot in the grass. Free and no traffic on the way out. We were right near the runway in the general section.

[Bobert540]

I was looking for other subies but only saw a silver rs and a blue wrx back farther in the regal lot parked.

[cburwell]

We parked in the Regal lot in the grass. Free and no traffic on the way out. We were right near the runway in the general section.

You didn't have to pay to get on the base (atleast Sunday). I got a seat pretty close to the runway and I didn't have to pay a dime.

[20th1519]

Ahhh showing some love for the warbirds, but you arnt actually touching that B-17 are you? That six bladed Herc looks sick.

[USMCEVO]

So how many people on here had to clean up the base today? I dont know how many used band-aids i picked up...blaaaaa

[05Accent]

Whoot 3 A-10's just flew over my house.. really effin low also.. that was my air show...

[Bobert540]

Saw 2 A-10's fly over while I was at work today. Very disctinct sound to them.

[WRX27]

I was looking for other subies but only saw a silver rs and a blue wrx back farther in the regal lot parked.

My freind drove us in his SUV

[WRX27]

You didn't have to pay to get on the base (atleast Sunday). I got a seat pretty close to the runway and I didn't have to pay a dime.

I meant pay for parking sorry

[05Accent]

Saw 2 A-10's fly over while I was at work today. Very disctinct sound to them.
yea they do.. and they were effin low.. idk the exact height.. but anyone know the limit the military aircraft can fly???? over nieghborhoods and whatnot?

[20th1519]

yea they do.. and they were effin low.. idk the exact height.. but anyone know the limit the military aircraft can fly???? over nieghborhoods and whatnot?

I'm not sure of military rules but the FAA says civil aircraft need to stay 1000ft above congested areas unless manuvering to land. How far away from the Grove do you live?

[05Accent]

a bit far.. about an hour.. in san diego my grandmother used to work at miramar(where they filmed top gun, favoirte movie might i add) and was always at her work on the tarmac watching the aircraft take off land and all that good stuff. it was great..

[USMCEVO]

They do follow FAA rules. Unless your dropping 2000 pounders on insurgents in IRAQ. HAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAh...boom

[05Accent]

haha sweet.

[hummerman88]

well if you look at a map used for flying, the military has their own flight paths that your not allowed to fly in. And when your flying in non-congested areas such as in the mountains or open land without homes/businesses, you are allowed to go as low as 500ft. if any of you are pilots you would then know just how stupid it is to fly that low. especially in IFR conditions.

[USMCEVO]

True they have thier own flight paths but who do you think approves them.

[05Accent]

military??

[USMCEVO]

I dont know fer sure but I would think FAA has to approve everything. Especially after Sept 11th. Obviously the there is airspace that they could do almost anything they want but thats where no one else can go. There are ranges out over the ocean were they can do ANYTHING.

[05Accent]

how about say 2 f-18's go out for a traning run, and there within the limit of there base's airspace, the FAA has to know about it? or ok it?

[USMCEVO]

There are not many training missions that an f-18 could do in the base's airspace. Just touch and go's or carrier quals. If its a maintenance flight check they could just hop in notify the tower and all they do is fly with-in the area. If they do go some where out side the base they have to file a flight plan. Im not 100% if they absolutly have to file one or not but ill go ask right quick tho.

[05Accent]

sweet. thanks.. yea i wasnt to sure.. i thought since it was the military they didnt have to.

[20th1519]

There are several types of special use airspace where the military conducts flight activities. Alert, Restricted, Warning (off shore), Military Operations Area (MOA), Controlled Firing Areas (CFA), Military Training Routes (MTR) all of which are depicted on VFR secional charts except for CFA's. And yes scud running at 500ft VFR in IMC around here is plain dumb. Please do get back to us on the flight plan SOP for military flights. Thanks.

[20th1519]

We should get an aviation sub forum going here. Mods?

[05Accent]

There are several types of special use airspace where the military conducts flight activities. Alert, Restricted, Warning (off shore), Military Operations Area (MOA), Controlled Firing Areas (CFA), Military Training Routes (MTR) all of which are depicted on VFR secional charts except for CFA's. And yes scud running at 500ft VFR in IMC around here is plain dumb. Please do get back to us on the flight plan SOP for military flights. Thanks.
he was just going to tell me if they have to file a flight plan if they travel outside the bases airspace..

[USMCEVO]

Ok, I just asked our Maintenance Officer. He said you dont have to file a plan if your VFR. He's a CH-53 pilot (chopper), so I asked him if he knew about fixed wing. He told me no but they always do anyway.

Think about it...TriStateAirCraftTuners.com...LOL

[05Accent]

VFR and IMC?
and the CH-53 is one of my favorite helicopters .asides to the apache when i lived in San diego. i used to have a poster of it mid air refueling with 2 f-15's on its sides..

[USMCEVO]

You ready...you asked for it?

Visual flight rules (VFR) are a set of aviation regulations under which a pilot may operate an aircraft, if weather conditions are sufficient to allow the pilot to visually control the aircraft's attitude, navigate, and maintain separation with obstacles such as terrain and other aircraft.

Pilots flying under VFR assume responsibility for their separation from all other aircraft and are not assigned routes or altitudes by ATC (outside of positive control airspace). They fly on their own using a "see and be seen" separation criteria. In busier controlled airspace, VFR aircraft are required to have a transponder. This amplifies the radar signal (as well broadcasting altitude level and a transponder code), and is used to allow controllers to warn instrument flight rules (IFR) aircraft of any potential conflict. Governing agencies establish strict VFR "weather minima" for visibility, distance from clouds, and altitude to ensure that VFR pilots can be seen from a far enough distance.

VFR pilots can request, and ATC can elect to provide "VFR Advisory Services," if the controllers' workload permits. This is also referred to as "Flight following." Under this environment, the controllers will radar identify the VFR aircraft and provide traffic information and weather advisory services for the VFR pilot. Controllers do not provide any instructions concerning direction of flight, altitude, or speed to the VFR pilot receiving advisory services, and they do not provide separation services. This is an optional service and may be discontinued by ATC or the pilot at any time.

The minimum meteorological requirements for VFR are called visual meteorological conditions (VMC) minima. If they are not met then the flight must be flown under IFR, the pilot must have an instrument rating and meet recency of experience requirements pertaining to instrument flight, and the aircraft must be equipped and type-certified for instrument flight. In some types of airspace, generally at higher altitudes, a flight must be flown under IFR regardless of the meterological conditions, as aircraft fly at high speeds at higher altitudes and the "see and avoid" method of avoiding conflicting traffic is less successful.

[hummerman88]

bump for opening an aviation section on tri-state!!! were open to all types of cars AND bikes, why not aircraft as well!!!!?

[USMCEVO]

bump for opening an aviation section on tri-state!!! were open to all types of cars AND bikes, why not aircraft as well!!!!?

I hear ya maverick!

[hummerman88]

I see your in doylestown USMCEVO..........R u MWSS472 Willow Grove Nas Jrb?

[USMCEVO]

NO HMH-772 the CH-53 squadron.

[hummerman88]

ooooo ok. we should meet up at the rec center and play some pool or something! i ahvent seen your car on base yet....im not there that often though

[USMCEVO]

You talk'n bout the pitcarin? Sounds good bro. Im on base EVERY DAY just about.(active duty) You work on base?

[hummerman88]

im 902nd search and rescue squadron. We are located in mwss472's building. for the Air Force though. Im there every thursday or whenever i get free time. u have a sn or nething?

[USMCEVO]

check your pm's hammer

[hummerman88]

i got it...ur not online though. mine is specopsafhoahif ya ever see me on. im not around that much.

[USMCEVO]

What would I see you on? I dont know what you mean by online.

[hummerman88]

lol AIM

[USMCEVO]

oOOOOOo... yeah im @ work. Ill be here to 1100. I hate duty. Dont get aim on gov't computers dang it. I guess they figure i should be working for once hahahaha

[hummerman88]

yeah that sucks. Well i think i may be stopping by the base a lil bite after 0' dark thirty, i need to renew my base pass....Then some liquer from the NEX for vaca next weekend. I LOVE UNTAXED LIQUER THAT IS ONLY 3/4 the price!!!!

[USMCEVO]

YES its great get'n that stuff on base. I wish the nex was worth a sh!+ tho. HAHAHA to bad they dont sell turbos good tax break LOL