my little problem...

[iRaTruPlaya]

ok so im sure buy now u know what kind of car i ahve.. i found a garret turbo kit for it...( http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/products/turbo_kits/VW20.html )it makes 188hp and 203lb now i also found a neuspeed s/c kit.... http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=33|G4&type=11&ltype=ns_euro&p_id=619
and this makes 135hp and no tq reading but it also has a pullie upgrade that was not dynoed. but adds another 3 pounds of boost both are almost the same price so what would you go with?

[teh DIRT]

id go super, itd be different and more reliable

[BlackBulletTSi]

ha told ya

[On Sale]

told ya too dan, SC it, dont go turbo. everyone will just think its another 1.8t

[iRaTruPlaya]

yeah that is what i originally wanted to go with... but i seen the turbo kit and wanted a second/3rd/18th opnion

[KrautFed20V]

turbo it... a little more headaches, but definetly worth it once it's tuned properly

[US_R33]

you need to get that ridiculous quote out of your signature now :mad:

the fact that you even put an apology to "anyone who gets offended by that" clearly shows that you know it shouldn't be there :roll:

[highmilehatch]

you need to get that ridiculous quote out of your signature now :mad:

the fact that you even put an apology to "anyone who gets offended by that" clearly shows that you know it shouldn't be there :roll:

Agreed. That's pretty messed up.

[su_maverick]

It always depends on what you want out of your car performance wise

Turbos- more for mid to high rpm ranges. this is ideal for track racing and drag
Superchargers- low end to mid rpm ranges. this is ideal for autox and street driving

always build your car for how you are going to drive it.

[S4toSTI]

Boys calm down, i have been in his presense and he didn't try to put me in a oven so he is cool with us jews. Freedom of speech and all. Remember the first amendment doesn't only cover the speech we like but the speech we hate as well.

[US_R33]

Boys calm down, i have been in his presense and he didn't try to put me in a oven so he is cool with us jews. Freedom of speech and all. Remember the first amendment doesn't only cover the speech we like but the speech we hate as well.
while i don't disagree with the first amendment his quote in his signature is still vastly inappropriate and at the very least i think he should be warned by the admin.....there are guidelines as to what is permitted to be posted on the boards

[iRaTruPlaya]

ok well i took the quote out.. i knew not everyone was going to like it but i found it to be funny thats all i meant by it. i have no real racial problems with anyone but back on topic.... i think im going to go with the s/c option just cuz i cant stand turbo lag.... and it seems to fit my driving style a lil more and previously owning an american car im kinda s/c bias.... but nothin is as cool as the BOV sound a turbo makes. btw thanks s4 for sticking up 4 me

[su_maverick]

SC's are tons of fun and you can always add more power to them as well. Turbos just get all the pub because they can make dyno queens.

[KrautFed20V]

dependent on the size of the turbo lag really isn't an issue, but to each their own. i'm just not a fan of neuspeed, or abd or atpturbo for that matter.

[SexyDSM95]

SC's are tons of fun and you can always add more power to them as well. Turbos just get all the pub because they can make dyno queens.Please don't speak unless you have something worthwhile to put forth into the discussion instead of your biased, fictional opinion. The right sized turbo can get a car instant spool all the way to redline without swapping pulleys.

[su_maverick]

Well, arent you bitter for some unknown reason. How the hell am I biased when I own a turbo car? one with a pretty big turbo at that.
Yes, they do make different sized turbos which have different spool characteristics. But, that will never change the way that each system works.
A turbo is a reactive setup that is dependant on the other systems of the car. Is requires the right exhaust pressure to get going and aside from a 'anti-lag' or backfire setup there are no assurances that it will come out of boost and need to be re-spooled.
Turbo- dependant on exhaust pressure
Supercharger- dependant on pully speed/rpm

remember, the smaller the turbo, the less top end you have. Once you get out of the turbo's "effeciency range" it basically becomes an expensive hair-dryer.

There is no perfect setup either way... both have their benefits and drawbacks.

[KrautFed20V]

Well, arent you bitter for some unknown reason. How the hell am I biased when I own a turbo car? one with a pretty big turbo at that.
Yes, they do make different sized turbos which have different spool characteristics. But, that will never change the way that each system works.
A turbo is a reactive setup that is dependant on the other systems of the car. Is requires the right exhaust pressure to get going and aside from a 'anti-lag' or backfire setup there are no assurances that it will come out of boost and need to be re-spooled.
Turbo- dependant on exhaust pressure
Supercharger- dependant on pully speed/rpm

remember, the smaller the turbo, the less top end you have. Once you get out of the turbo's "effeciency range" it basically becomes an expensive hair-dryer.

There is no perfect setup either way... both have their benefits and drawbacks.
TRUE, but if you pick the properly sized turbo (IE don't go too big or too small) such as a t3 60 trim on a small 4 cyl you can spool around 2500 rpm and pull to redline I've seen impressive numbers from a t3 S60 on a 1.8T tuned properly will kick any 57 trim t3/t4

[SexyDSM95]

Well, arent you bitter for some unknown reason. How the hell am I biased when I own a turbo car? one with a pretty big turbo at that.
Yes, they do make different sized turbos which have different spool characteristics. But, that will never change the way that each system works.
A turbo is a reactive setup that is dependant on the other systems of the car. Is requires the right exhaust pressure to get going and aside from a 'anti-lag' or backfire setup there are no assurances that it will come out of boost and need to be re-spooled.
Turbo- dependant on exhaust pressure
Supercharger- dependant on pully speed/rpm

remember, the smaller the turbo, the less top end you have. Once you get out of the turbo's "effeciency range" it basically becomes an expensive hair-dryer.

There is no perfect setup either way... both have their benefits and drawbacks.Not only are you biased (i.e. providing information on a LARGE turbo) but it's also very un-educated. You are my favorite type of driver...the one who enjoys huge turbos when in fact smaller turbos have proven themselves again and again with the proper tuning.

I agree that there is no PERFECT set up, if there was everyone would have it. Instead there are floods of misinformation running around about how bigger is better or turbos are bad because they have "lag". Show me a s/c that holds boost until redline, if they exist, they are few. Please explain to me how 14B's are running mid/low 12's and 20g's are running mid/low 11's; all consistant. I bet you anything they are smaller set ups then what you speak of. Also, explain to me how Holset (diesel) turbos are boosting at low level RPMS and are quite large?

[su_maverick]

1.) my turbo- lets get this straight. I have a rotary engine which is a great engine for turbos. My turbo builds positive boost at 2k rpm and full boost by 4k. That means I have about another 4k of full boost. I fail to see how thats a problem for any of my applications. Considering I designed it for autox/track usage.
2.) misinformation- I never ONCE said that bigger is better. I hate dyno-queens that have about 1.5k of usable power.
3.)deisel- that is a completly different type of engine. It uses compression to initiate combustion rather than spark plugs.

The first thing I stated on here was that its about what type of driver you are. The base wrx is a perfect example of this. If the turbo isnt spooled its about as powerful as a 3 year old on a tricycle.
Same thing with the evo. Watch the episode of Top Gear with the Evo sticking it to a lambo on the track and then loosing to a 100hp sedan with a 5th gear pull from 30mph.

[TurboTagTeam]

A supercharger that holds boost???...Vortech T trim. My brother has one in his beemer. Pulls 22psi all the way untill 8,000rpm's.

It is a fact...The smaller your exhaust wheel, the less top end you have. I have a extremly small exhaust wheel in my car. It makes no were near the power up top that it does in the midrange. It is a road racing turbo so it's made for midrange. My turbo is kinda unique. My hot side is probably slightly larger than a t25, wheras my cold side is a .98ar.

...bigger turbo..more boost...more power. Do you see 800whp supra's running 20G's? No you see them running huge Holset turbo's or T-88's.

Your telling me that my turbo will make more power then a T-78 because my turbo is smaller? Not possible. It has nothing to do with tunning. It's airflow.

Maverick is 100% correct.

Edit---FD's fighting back!!!

[su_maverick]

its the amount of power and what range its usable at

of course a turbo producing 500hp in a 5k range is going to do better than a turbo making 800hp in a 1.5k range.

[SexyDSM95]

What do 600hp, 700hp, 800hp Supras have in common? They all run 12's Thanks for playing! (Not for su_maverick)

I don't agree with you saying that turbos are for dyno queens they are not. The misinformation I am speaking of is saying that all larger turbos have lag. It's untrue, tuning is a major key in any set up. It's why you have guys on 20gs that are running faster times AND out trapping guys with larger set ups. Proven fact (see ATCO Thursday thread).

A supercharger that holds boost???...Vortech T trim. My brother has one in his beemer. Pulls 22psi all the way untill 8,000rpm's.

It is a fact...The smaller your exhaust wheel, the less top end you have. I have a extremly small exhaust wheel in my car. It makes no were near the power up top that it does in the midrange. It is a road racing turbo so it's made for midrange. My turbo is kinda unique. My hot side is probably slightly larger than a t25, wheras my cold side is a .98ar.

...bigger turbo..more boost...more power. Do you see 800whp supra's running 20G's? No you see them running huge Holset turbo's or T-88's.

Your telling me that my turbo will make more power then a T-78 because my turbo is smaller? Not possible. It has nothing to do with tunning. It's airflow.

Maverick is 100% correct.

Edit---FD's fighting back!!!I don't even know where to begin with you...so I will just leave it at that. I could provide you with dyno sheets and time slips proving that smaller turbos can take on large set ups. So go ahead, throw on that huge turbo of yours, don't tune, and come see me on a Thursday.

[iRaTruPlaya]

so your saying i should go with the turbo setup? and it is a garret t3 turbo if im not mistaken and it should only be running like 10 to 12 lbs. so im guessing it would spool quite fast.... im no scientist when it comes to this.. im still kinda new.

[su_maverick]

yeah, Im just saying that there is a misinformation about superchargers too. Its always the dyno queen guys that talk crap about superchargers. It really just depends on what you want in a car. A supercharger is instant kick and a turbo takes a little to alot of time to kick. Anyone considering one or the other should talk with someone who knows their car and how each application will perform for it. Each car is different.
If you put a t-25 on my car and it would be like using a firecracker to power a 747.

[su_maverick]

so your saying i should go with the turbo setup? and it is a garret t3 turbo if im not mistaken and it should only be running like 10 to 12 lbs. so im guessing it would spool quite fast.... im no scientist when it comes to this.. im still kinda new.

talk with a company that knows your car and find out what they say will happen with a SC and a Turbo then make your decision.

[SexyDSM95]

yeah, Im just saying that there is a misinformation about superchargers too. Its always the dyno queen guys that talk crap about superchargers. It really just depends on what you want in a car. A supercharger is instant kick and a turbo takes a little to alot of time to kick. Anyone considering one or the other should talk with someone who knows their car and how each application will perform for it. Each car is different.
If you put a t-25 on my car and it would be like using a firecracker to power a 747.Again, it's all deciding on what set up would be appropiate for the car. Of course I am not going to sit here and say "Okay let's throw a needle dick turbo on your huge motor" that's pointless. But research and many different sources have proved that the right setup/turbo will have instant boost (just as a s/c) and kick it all the way to redline. I can show you logs to where I have held 23psi on my 14B all the way to redline from 1st to 3rd gear pulls along with seeing 30lbs of air flow.

[iRaTruPlaya]

well ive been weighing the pro's and cons in my head constantly for the past couple days.... and i still have alot to save up untill i actually get the thing. but i think im going to take the originality and having an american car past into account i think im goin stick with the super. ill get the pullie upgrade for it... put a good tune on it and see how i like it.... there is always the option of a cam and other power adders to get it up there

[su_maverick]

neither is inferior to the other... just depends on the app...
this is about as pointless as the rotary vs. piston debate

[iRaTruPlaya]

well i wasent asking which is better in general i mean if you were me which would you put on the car?

[SexyDSM95]

...a turbo a ginormous one

[su_maverick]

semi-sized

[iRaTruPlaya]

im sure thats not the only ginormous thing you want

[SexyDSM95]

im sure thats not the only ginormous thing you wantYea, your mom is pretty high on my top ten list about now..j/k

Research/google. See if anyone has charts turbo vs. s/c for your type of car. Also, you never told us any of your goals with the car.

[su_maverick]

large turbo w/ sc to spool

[iRaTruPlaya]

havent really set a goal......... maybe...... fast street car.. oh say 12's?

[99SL2_Modder]

As a side note: There's no such thing as turbo lag.

[iRaTruPlaya]

ahh about time clint found tis one.... i already know he's gung ho for turbos

[99SL2_Modder]

ahh about time clint found tis one.... i already know he's gung ho for turbos
It's more personal preferance than application.

I love my turbo's, but I won't deny what is supercharged.

I still love me my turbos.

[iRaTruPlaya]

that would be more or less what i was getting at...

[SexyDSM95]

As a side note: There's no such thing as turbo lag.That's right....come to mamma

[iRaTruPlaya]

lol so im goin do some more smacking myself in the head thanx 4 the info guys

[TurboTagTeam]

I don't even know where to begin with you...so I will just leave it at that. I could provide you with dyno sheets and time slips proving that smaller turbos can take on large set ups. So go ahead, throw on that huge turbo of yours, don't tune, and come see me on a Thursday.

Larger turbo, more top end, more power. End of story. Since you don't know were to begin I'll end it there.

[KrautFed20V]

Larger turbo, more top end, more power. End of story. Since you don't know were to begin I'll end it there.
by that logic i should but a gt45R on my 1.8T to get the most power out of it?

[TurboTagTeam]

You'd probably make all your power at 6000rpm's. You'd spin the rest of the gear, shift, and repeat. That's how it works with a large turbo. THe biggest challenge is getting the power to be usable.

[KrautFed20V]

You'd probably make all your power at 6000rpm's. You'd spin the rest of the gear, shift, and repeat. That's how it works with a large turbo. THe biggest challenge is getting the power to be usable.
so it would spool in time for 1000 rpm of useable power? no thanks... actually i think on a smaller displacement engine you can make more power with an efficient small turbo than with a gonzo one.

[TurboTagTeam]

There are so many variables to consider. Is it a street car? What kind of tires? what kinda suspension? Built motor? What kinda fuel system?

All I am saying is that larger turbos make more power. In a street car with street tires you will most likely have traction issues though.

In a properly prepared race car...Saying that a smaller turbo is faster is plain stupid.

A small displacement engine with a smaller turbo might be FASTER than a poorly preparred car with a large turbo but it will NOT MAKE MORE POWER.

Now take the car with the bigger turbo and set up the tires and suspension right...you'v got a monster

[KrautFed20V]

There are so many variables to consider. Is it a street car? What kind of tires? what kinda suspension? Built motor? What kinda fuel system?

All I am saying is that larger turbos make more power. In a street car with street tires you will most likely have traction issues though.

In a properly prepared race car...Saying that a smaller turbo is faster is plain stupid.

A small displacement engine with a smaller turbo might be FASTER than a poorly preparred car with a large turbo but it will NOT MAKE MORE POWER.

Now take the car with the bigger turbo and set up the tires and suspension right...you'v got a monster
alrighty then

[SexyDSM95]

There are so many variables to consider. Is it a street car? What kind of tires? what kinda suspension? Built motor? What kinda fuel system?

All I am saying is that larger turbos make more power. In a street car with street tires you will most likely have traction issues though.

In a properly prepared race car...Saying that a smaller turbo is faster is plain stupid.

A small displacement engine with a smaller turbo might be FASTER than a poorly preparred car with a large turbo but it will NOT MAKE MORE POWER.

Now take the car with the bigger turbo and set up the tires and suspension right...you'v got a monsterPlease...lets test your theory. Meet me @ ATCO on Thursdays. Slap on a larger turbo and don't tune, then run me.

Ask SpendOne how his 20g outdoes a 60-1 in the 1/4 and trap speed.

[TurboTagTeam]

I don't think you'd wanna race me no matter what turbo I had on my car.

And what idiot would swap turbo's without tunning?????

[SexyDSM95]

I don't think you'd wanna race me no matter what turbo I had on my car.Keep thinking I am a fool the guy in the Maxima did.... :o

[su_maverick]

I can always have my friend Ernie come up. Street driven RX-7
turbo- GT42R.. Im sure he would be glad to show you the usable power of a large turbo in the right application

[TurboTagTeam]

I know about that thing :mrgreen:

642whp in a 2500lbs car. Pure evil

[SexyDSM95]

I can always have my friend Ernie come up. Street driven RX-7
turbo- GT42R.. Im sure he would be glad to show you the usable power of a large turbo in the right applicationI'm up for it! Win or lose I dun care.

[su_maverick]

if your can run sub 9sec then you got him

[SexyDSM95]

Run what ya brung. Even if it's not YOU

But it's okay I will have my cousin's dad, second uncle, to the auntie power, of my neighbor (down the street of course) bring his sub 8 second Nova. Because bench racing is awesome...so is having someone else step up for you.

[su_maverick]

lol, you are the one who said bring him up. Im not bench racing at all. I would be happy to race at some point this year at a local strip. I just need to figure out which setup I finally want to run. My last run was high 11s last year but I really dont know how to lauch and didnt design my car for drag. I was just proving the point that the turbo size is ALWAYS dependant on the applicaton. Since turbo's are a reactive type of system, the engine is always the chief variable.

[SexyDSM95]

I wasn't talking to you...I know you will run and you actually are WORKING on your rotary. You didn't buy it modded fast

[su_maverick]

Ahhh, gotcha...

[TurboTagTeam]

I wasn't talking to you...I know you will run and you actually are WORKING on your rotary. You didn't buy it modded fast

Not sure what you mean by this. I don't work on my car? At the moment I'm replacing the engine. Not to mention that I'v changed allmost everything about it since I bought it. Take your negativity somewere else. I said nothing negative to you.

[Scapegoat]

children!! relax... screw you all.

twin-charge FTW!!

[PY TYPE R 483]

What type of supercharger is it? That could play a key role in your decision as well.

[DropTopChevy]

children!! relax... screw you all.

twin-charge FTW!!
I'm with this guy. Well on both points that he makes :iagree:

[SexyDSM95]

Not sure what you mean by this. I don't work on my car? At the moment I'm replacing the engine. Not to mention that I'v changed allmost everything about it since I bought it. Take your negativity somewere else. I said nothing negative to you.My negativity is towards your assumptions and heavily biased opinion. Superman is better then Batman anyways so STFU GTFO :rock: :inlove: :inlove: .

[Scapegoat]

http://static.flickr.com/8/8426829_df2c74eeb6_m.jpg
"no bitch, it's my truck!"

[2point4DSM]

As mentioned S/C and turbos can both work well dependent on application and goals.

Ask SpendOne how his 20g outdoes a 60-1 in the 1/4 and trap speed.

There is a world of difference btw my car and Spendone's car. And I've run my car a total of 6 times down the track in the last 4 years. It is hardly tuned considering and still running on the VPC. Spendone has been working hard and consistently at tuning his car since I met him and now has DSMlink. He also has tons more track time than I do which shows in his better 60' times and better driving. The only thing that you can really compare is we were running similar boost that day and ran very similar numbers which actually surprised me considering.

Let's compare a couple things: Relatively speaking my car runs a very restrictive exhaust with a 2.5" downpipe, functional cat, resonator and regular 3" truck muffler. Spendone's exhaust flows at least twice as much as mine does.

And even though my interior is gutted it is still possible our cars weigh about the same due to other factors.

Not to mention, the sweet spot of the 20g is about 25 psi, maxxing out at about 28 psi where my turbo's sweet spot is 32 psi maxxing out at 35 psi. I'm sure we could both agree that more boost means more power... as long as it is within the turbos efficiency range.

The fact his IC is twice the size of mine make a difference? Does the stroker motor make a difference?

Read up on Driven's posts to learn more about stroker motors. http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12467&page=3&pp=20&highlight=stroker+motor

:devil:

[SexyDSM95]

First off I said tuning is a major key with turbo set ups large OR small. You vs. Matt is the perfect situation of what I have been expressing this entire thread. So you continue to sit there and think you are some DSM guru and continue to run low 12's on your ginormous turbo and stroker motor all while people with the same turbo and 2.0L have been well into the 9's. Awesome dude, I look up to you fo' sho'.

P.S. Meth/Alky injection is just THAT pointless....right

[Scapegoat]

teh fax0rz:

A larger turbo will produce more HP than a smaller turbo, fact. However, a larger turbo isn't always better, it depends on the application, the engine involved, tuning, etc. But the same applies to a smaller turbo.

Smaller turbo cars, can and WILL pull on larger turbo cars do to turbo lag. Smaller turbo = less lag and less HP. Larger turbo = more lag, more HP, and sometimes it = dyno queen.

A large turbo is pointless on a track with lots of turns, in most cars. It is a benefit to the rotary's though, as they can easily stay within a larger turbos spool range, and tap into that asap. While a normal piston motor coming onto a straightaway won't hit full boost right away, the rotary can.

In the quarter mile one has to be careful with tuning and turbo size. A small turbo can pull the larger turbo car off the line fairly easy due to the quick spool, power is almost instant. Smaller turbo cars can sometimes even BEAT larger turbo cars with more HP on the 1/4 because of this. Though, with proper tuning, and driving skill, the larger turbo car can ultimatly pass and defeat a smaller turbo car a good amount of the time.

For street racing, specifically highway runs, a larger turbo is a boon, you have more space to spool completly and pass.

it is ALL in the application and tuning of turbo and engine. Size isn't the most important factor, until you try to exceed the turbo's range, which works against you as your turn the turbo into the biggest point of restriction.

[2point4DSM]

First off I said tuning is a major key with turbo set ups large OR small. You vs. Matt is the perfect situation of what I have been expressing this entire thread.
Why not compare your car with a smaller turbo running a lot more boost but tuned better to my car.

And my car is just as likely to go 9s and rank with the fastest DSMs with similar turbos as your car is going to run 11s and rank with the fasest DSMs running your turbo.

Is it possible? Probably. The likelihood of my car running close to the records is still heavily dependent on $$$. Your car is probably more likely to run close to the records than mine considering your setup is closer than mine is to the record holders. And running low 12s/ high 11s is a lot easier than running 9s/10s no matter what.

Btw, I never called myself a DSM guru and in fact will openly admit (as you very will know from reading PhillyDSM) that I am still learning. Having almost 16 years experience with AWD turbo DSMs does give me a bit more insight though than the average DSMr.

[2point4DSM]

So you continue to sit there and think you are some DSM guru and continue to run low 12's on your ginormous turbo and stroker motor all while people with the same turbo and 2.0L have been well into the 9's. Awesome dude, I look up to you fo' sho'.

Once again read Driven's post on stroker motors.

And the car ran 12.0 that day. That certainly doesn't mean that is the fastest it will go. I've upped the boost some more since and I can guarantee it is now a lot faster than it use to be that day.

Not to mention I'm still learning how to drive the car, again, considering it has sat around a lot lately (probably driven it a 1000 miles in the last 4 years) and the car is new to me all over again. Trust me when I tell you I'm starting to get better at driving it again. :drag:

[2point4DSM]

P.S. Meth/Alky injection is just THAT pointless....right

How many of the 100 fastest DSMrs run Meth/Alky injection?

How many times have you actually heard it used in professional racing of all sorts... Top fuel, F1, circle track, autocross, WRC, etc?

The muscle car guys have been tuning and racing a lot longer than import guys. How many of them use it?

[SilverTurboRidin]

Not many. At all...I can show you 9 second cars that dont need it...

[SexyDSM95]

Read up on Driven's posts to learn more about stroker motors. http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12467&page=3&pp=20&highlight=stroker+motor

:devil:

2.3L's are great for street cars, they have a little more low end and they get the turbo's spooled faster. If you're building an all out drag car however, 2.0L is the way to go. The difference is about 1000 RPM's power wise, and 2.0's have proven to rev more than 1000 RPM's higher than 2.3's. As you would say, end of story.

English Version: Wil is a knob and should go back to Hondas with his awesome theories maybe Bill Nye the Science Guy will stop laughing at him since he has gained so much "experience" running 12's/13's on a 60-1.

[2point4DSM]

I completely agree with what Driven has to say. The reason I asked you to look at his posts.

I guess I forgot to mention my car is a street car with a functional catalytic converter, inspection, registration, insurance and all.

Btw, I have no desire to rev to 9.5-10k. And I actually let the revs drop quite a bit btw shifts too.

[su_maverick]

water/meth/alky are not run on professional cars because the race teams have the money to make the car setup exactly like they need it to be. W/M/A is a cheap substitute for race gas and expensive cooling systems.

[SexyDSM95]

I guess I forgot to mention my car is a street car with a functional catalytic converter, inspection, registration, insurance and all.OMG ME TOO...and the other many Test/Tune drivers who go to Atco.

Want a cookie?
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[Zeropistonz]

Poor iRaTruPlaya. The poor guy just wants to know what other people think and all anyone is giving him is bitching or "race me race me". WTF?!?! Some of you need to chill and not attack anyone that has a different opinion/taste than you. I swear I hate this forum more everyday.

That being said... I think a SC would be cooler/more unique. Thats what I would rock in your car. :)

P.S. I am not impressed with anyones knowledge on SC or turbos. This discussion is endless. The better of the 2 depends on driver and car/setup(that includes tuning). That is all.

[Scapegoat]

Poor iRaTruPlaya. The poor guy just wants to know what other people think and all anyone is giving him is bitching or "race me race me". WTF?!?! Some of you need to chill and not attack anyone that has a different opinion/taste than you. I swear I hate this forum more everyday.

That being said... I think a SC would be cooler/more unique. Thats what I would rock in your car. :)

P.S. I am not impressed with anyones knowledge on SC or turbos. This discussion is endless. The better of the 2 depends on driver and car/setup(that includes tuning). That is all.

dude, obviously, this thread is no place for logic...

[su_maverick]

Poor iRaTruPlaya. The poor guy just wants to know what other people think and all anyone is giving him is bitching or "race me race me". WTF?!?! Some of you need to chill and not attack anyone that has a different opinion/taste than you. I swear I hate this forum more everyday.

That being said... I think a SC would be cooler/more unique. Thats what I would rock in your car. :)

P.S. I am not impressed with anyones knowledge on SC or turbos. This discussion is endless. The better of the 2 depends on driver and car/setup(that includes tuning). That is all.

cant you tell that everyone has already chilled out and we are just having a discussion right now. There is no venom what so ever to this conversation. We are just chatting away about different turbos and superchargers.

PS- could care less about if you are impressed or not.