I think i messed something up, help appreciated =)

[Subaruwrxst!]

Well, i chose to replace the head gasket on my 95 integra since coolant was leaking into the cylinders and it was smelly here and there. When i took the head off, some coolant and oil fell into 3 cylinders and i didn't bother to vacuum the fluids out. I sprayed the new MLS gasket with some sealant and set it in and torqued the head. I let the car sit in the garage for about a week since i was busy, AND i broke a camshaft by dropping it and had trouble finding one lol. So today when i finally buttoned up the car, i started it, it started idling at around 3k rpms, with a lot of smoke and after about 20 seconds the idle started to fluctuate, which i totally expected. What i didnt expect, was the car to still continue to smoke like crazy about 10 mins into its idle. I shut the car off and came home kind of upset, so my question is; What can the problem be? Did i use the wrong head gasket sealant for the MLS gasket? Or can the coolant and oil i left to sit in the cylinders for about a week have something to do with it? Any input appreciated =)

[dangerousatom]

do a compression test and get back to us.

Blue or White smoke?

May not have been a head gasket but a cracked head or cylinder wall.....did you inspect them?

[Subaruwrxst!]

do a compression test and get back to us.

Blue or White smoke?

May not have been a head gasket but a cracked head or cylinder wall.....did you inspect them?

Its white smoke, i started it up again like 40 mins ago but it still smokes like crazy. We already inspected the cylinder walls and head but they're in good shape. I think we might run a compression test tomorrow.

[The Alchemist]

Compression test will show for oil not coolant. If your smoke is white, its coolant.
Could have not installed the head properly. You do know that there is a proper way to put it on and torque values that you have to do correctly, otherwise, you could warp the head.

PS. When you installed the new camshaft, you should of gotten the matching rockers to go with it. And installed them all in the same order they came out the head.

[Subaruwrxst!]

yea the head was done correctly, i hope its nothing crazy when we test the car Tuesday, btw do any of you guys know if head gaskets on b18bs require any type of sealant. the gasket is a MLS gasket from felpro

[saxon]

felpro gaskets suck for b series (my opinion, i always use oem honda gaskets)

i have a friend who swears by "indian " something or other that he gets at autozone, it in a small bronze colored plastic bottle

personally i just install the OEM gasket and tq to specs

[saxon]

Compression test will show for oil not coolant. If your smoke is white, its coolant.
Could have not installed the head properly. You do know that there is a proper way to put it on and torque values that you have to do correctly, otherwise, you could warp the head.

PS. When you installed the new camshaft, you should of gotten the matching rockers to go with it. And installed them all in the same order they came out the head.

why would he need to do that? as long as the camshaft is made for that head there will be no problems, im sure it wouldnt hurt to set valve lash though

[FAST of WC]

The car will smoke for awhile and u usually need to go drive it for awhile to burn it off. The fact that the coolant wasn't cleaned out will make the smoking worse temporarily. As far as the idle, make sure all your vacuum hoses are properly hooked up. It could just be a sticking iac valve since its been sitting.

[The Alchemist]

why would he need to do that? as long as the camshaft is made for that head there will be no problems, im sure it wouldnt hurt to set valve lash though

Each camshaft, even though its made for the head, will wear differently on each set of rockers.

[94503]

compression test will work to check if the headgasket is bad to genius ^^

[Subaruwrxst!]

Thanks for all the input guys, i really appreciate it. I'll let you guys know tomorrow night how things went.

[The Alchemist]

compression test will work to check if the headgasket is bad to genius ^^

are you referring to me with your post here, if so I'd like to say that your sarcasm is ignorant.

[Keeper1343]

Jim, the compression test will tell if the oil or coolant is leaking into the cylinders. Because the compression would be bad either way. But your right with the camshaft comment. You need to make sure u always take the rockers from the cams they came with. Or uneven wear can occur on the cams.

[FAST of WC]

You can't take the rockers cause the bottom half is the head. Your better off keeping head components together with the head.

[Subaruwrxst!]

I actually didn't buy the rockers with the intake cam, but it runs good now. I did have to let it idle for about 20 mins before the smoke completely went. The idle still fluctuates between 1500 and 2200. Also, the ignition timing is advanced 8 degrees too much. It runs great though. :)I hope nothing bad happens with that much advancement, and I'll figure out a way to make it idle normally again.

[FAST of WC]

I actually didn't buy the rockers with the intake cam, but it runs good now. I did have to let it idle for about 20 mins before the smoke completely went. The idle still fluctuates between 1500 and 2200. Also, the ignition timing is advanced 8 degrees too much. It runs great though. :)I hope nothing bad happens with that much advancement, and I'll figure out a way to make it idle normally again.

Either air in cooling system or a stuck/bad iac.

[Keeper1343]

You can too take the rockers out from the head and use them with the cam. That is the correct way to do it. No need for the whole head. That's just more shipping or more money. Its sure as hell easier. But not cost effective sometimes. But good stuff man. Glad everything turned out alright.

[Subaruwrxst!]

You can too take the rockers out from the head and use them with the cam. That is the correct way to do it. No need for the whole head. That's just more shipping or more money. Its sure as hell easier. But not cost effective sometimes. But good stuff man. Glad everything turned out alright.

:eek: i just got the camshaft off a friend that had a spare one, but didnt have the rockers for the cam so i just threw it in the head lol, and yea great info from you guys i just still need to know if my +8 degree ignition advancement will hurt it sooner or later...

[The Alchemist]

Jim, the compression test will tell if the oil or coolant is leaking into the cylinders. Because the compression would be bad either way. But your right with the camshaft comment. You need to make sure u always take the rockers from the cams they came with. Or uneven wear can occur on the cams.
No ****, poppie.

I wasnt talking about that. I was just saying that it would of been a good idea to match the rockers to the cam lobes, completely different things, and really has nothing to do with OP's issue.

[The Alchemist]

You can't take the rockers cause the bottom half is the head. Your better off keeping head components together with the head.

You can't take the rockers out the head? Lol thats news to me! :eek:

[FAST of WC]

He's referring to the cam caps. Even if you keep the rockers with the cams the bottom half of the caps are part of the head. Sorry for not clarifying

[Keeper1343]

You must be confused Cause no one mentioned cam caps LOL. Either way no biggie

[FAST of WC]

You must be confused Cause no one mentioned cam caps LOL. Either way no biggie

Sorry not confused. Was stated earlier that he needed to switch rockers with the cams. That's all I was trying to clear up.

[Subaruwrxst!]

So are my 8 degrees of too much advancement suicidal for the engine. Cause it runs pretty good right now.

[Honest_Bob]

I dont know the answer, but your going to have to run a higher octane for sure.

[The Alchemist]

So are my 8 degrees of too much advancement suicidal for the engine. Cause it runs pretty good right now.

Try mixxing your fuel with water. It will even up things.

[Subaruwrxst!]

Try mixxing your fuel with water. It will even up things.

I will do this for sure...

[Keeper1343]

lol... just get a timing light and time the motor.

[Subaruwrxst!]

lol... just get a timing light and time the motor.

we already did that but we're off by one tooth on cam timing, so the car is as good as its gonna get without adjusting the belt again. Thank you guys.

[DPancoast]

The car will smoke for awhile and u usually need to go drive it for awhile to burn it off.

Ummmm wut?

I've done a a bunch of headgaskets between my mr2s, the teg and my friends cars and I've NEVER had a car "smoke for a while".... The most is about 30 seconds after start up.

Anyway. What sealant did you use exactly? Copper spray helps but isn't needed unless you think your mating surfaces (head and block deck) are mildly not perfect. But you don't NEED it.

IMO I would just re-do the belt. Doesn't take that long. That much timing all the time will give you terrible gas mileage in the long run and make your car run funny.

[The Alchemist]

Its one tooth off, just fix the issue. Don't get weird with it.

[masterteque]

Ummmm wut?

I've done a a bunch of headgaskets between my mr2s, the teg and my friends cars and I've NEVER had a car "smoke for a while".... The most is about 30 seconds after start up.

Anyway.

I have been working on Hondas for 15+ years and see this happen quite a bit. If he left it sit and coolant was in cylinders and if gasket was blown so bad that he's smoking then the smoking will take awhile to go away. I'm here to help not challenge what ppl believe is right or wrong.




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