suspenion questions / show n tell

[CivicSi]

Hello everyone, so I was looking at upgrading suspension on an 07 civic si and am not interested in coilovers what so ever. Looking into the eibach sportlines, tein stech, and neuspeed springs, but am also curious if the 2" drop of these springs will cause a decent gain in negative camber? Any honda / acura rsx drives in here that have just lowering springs arouns 1.5 - 2" of drop NOT needing a camber correction kit??
was hopeing that considering ppl love showing what they spent their rime and money on, that if you respond with an answer to the brand of your choice, if you got em installed, throw up some pics to show it off!

[ourbloodykisses]

8thgencivic.com

you'll need a camber kit. they arent expensive.
with suspension, if you cheap out, you'll pay for it.

[jen.]

Eibach Sportlines.

You will need a camber kit.

You will need an alignment.

Edit: You will find this thread super helpful. "The 'what will my drop look like?' thread"
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/suspension-brakes/119573-what-will-my-drop-look-like-thread.html

From before I had the front lip:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii241/verbs_and_nounss/IMAG0064.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii241/verbs_and_nounss/sonicpicturemycar.jpg

[ketchup!]

you don't need a camber kit. just get the toe set to 0

[Ivank88]

I ran neuspeed sports on my prelude b4 I slammed it n I didnt need a camber kit. May be dif on civics tho

[jen.]

Eh, I personally don't have camber arms and I'm aligned but I've still got some negative camber in the rear which is why I said you're gonna want one if you want even tire wear.

[scott8989]

tein s-techs with koni yellows give a very comfortable ride

[ourbloodykisses]

negative camber is not cool.
especially if its just in the rear
it looks like you broke something.

[CivicSi]

From what i see, front camber kit is around 170-210 .. rear is around 110-160 ... plus the 220 for springs.... and im still not factoring in shocks/struts ... first upgrade will be my AEM SRI .. rains like a bitch around here, and im NOT cutting my wheel well to make a non-rubbing CAI.. i think ill buy peices/save up for the suspension.

[CivicSi]

MOTHER OF GOD THAT HFP LIP KIT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!

sigh.. cant find any lip kits out there for sale that arnt missing ... everything missing but one piece....

<3 ur car jen. :eek::mrgreen:


Eibach Sportlines.

You will need a camber kit.

You will need an alignment.

Edit: You will find this thread super helpful. "The 'what will my drop look like?' thread"
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/suspension-brakes/119573-what-will-my-drop-look-like-thread.html

From before I had the front lip:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii241/verbs_and_nounss/IMAG0064.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii241/verbs_and_nounss/sonicpicturemycar.jpg

[Sberk06]

^^^ agreed! that SI looks so damn sexy

[ketchup!]

Eh, I personally don't have camber arms and I'm aligned but I've still got some negative camber in the rear which is why I said you're gonna want one if you want even tire wear.

wrong miss ricer. toe eats tires not camber. have a read http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2614449

[jen.]

wrong miss ricer. toe eats tires not camber. have a read http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2614449

Thanks for the oh so tactful post. I'm glad name calling online helps you feel good. At least i got a helpful read :thumbup:

[Subie_sleeper]

Thanks for the oh so tactful post. I'm glad name calling online helps you feel good. At least i got a helpful read :thumbup:

Yeah, I spotted that & had to jump in here. Unless it was an inside joke between friends that comment was uncalled for. S/C Civic si with tasteful mods = rice ??? Ummmmm. NO. & I'm a die hard Subaru guy. On the Interwebz it's O.K. to talk ****. :roll:

[ketchup!]

Thanks for the oh so tactful post. I'm glad name calling online helps you feel good. At least i got a helpful read :thumbup:

glad to see you can take a joke

[jen.]

Yeah, I spotted that & had to jump in here. Unless it was an inside joke between friends that comment was uncalled for. S/C Civic si with tasteful mods = rice ??? Ummmmm. NO. & I'm a die hard Subaru guy. On the Interwebz it's O.K. to talk ****. :roll:

Thanks, Rob :o

glad to see you can take a joke

Only if it's funny!

MOTHER OF GOD THAT HFP LIP KIT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!

sigh.. cant find any lip kits out there for sale that arnt missing ... everything missing but one piece....

<3 ur car jen. :eek::mrgreen:

I will keep a look out on some other forums for you. I only have the front lip on mine :) Are you looking for skirts and rear as well?

Thanks for the compliments!

^^^ agreed! that SI looks so damn sexy

Why thanks!

[ourbloodykisses]

buddy clubs and call it a day.

[CivicSi]

I will keep a look out on some other forums for you. I only have the front lip on mine :) Are you looking for skirts and rear as well?

Thanks for the compliments!


Just the front lip in reality.. dont wanna go the whole kit, because it really doesnt change much in the rear .. and sides are nice, but done need em, the front makes the largest difference by a long shot:mrgreen:

BTW, jumped on a price match and discounted AEM SRI, got it down to 150 shipped, thanks to a screw up by the company, and a decent coupon i got them to apply to it...

Also will be purchasing a new set of rotors and pads, just went in for 45,000 service at honda, and front rotors and pads wont pass when inspection comes around... so might as well upgrade. Found some PowerStop rotors and pads for cheap .. so might as well get front and back, considering i can get new rotors AND pads, for 4 wheels for the price Honda wants just for the fronts.:lol:

[CivicSi]

So.. due to price.. and mileage i put on my car, i wanna lower it a bit, get the best ride, without the need of camber kit, which for the civic SI seems to be anything over 1.5 inches puts most Si coupes out of spec.
Eibach pro-kit ($220)
Tein Htech ($235)
HFP strut/shock and springs (75$ more) new in box at $300 (lowest drop of the group it seems)

[CivicSi]

and yes jen. i love your sportlines, but i really just don't feel like spending more on a camber kit then i do on the springs haha... plus the girls driveway is .. obnoxious and i do a lot of pot-holed highway, and back roads that aren't in the best of shape
figured id go for the best look and feel, in a budget, without the $300 camber kit (seems skunk is the only decent kit out there at $299 .. ingalls is interesting and still at $250) for the rear.. let alone if front is outta whack, which it seems everyone's civic drops differently... sorry im horrible at making up my own mind, but ive narrowed it down :D

[ketchup!]

Let me say it again. you don't need a camber kit

[insacclabor]

wrong miss ricer. toe eats tires not camber. have a read http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2614449

Please read this statement from the link YOU posted.

"Well that's about all I can think of to say. Hopefully this will help to dispel some of the myths. Hopefully I can help some people keep some extra money instead of wasting it all on camber kits and expensive alignments.

*edit* something else to add - lower profile tires will tend to wear a bit more on the inside edge with negative camber, even with proper alignment. I do get a bit more inner wear on my 205/45-16's than I did on my 195/55-15's or 205/50-15's. I would imagine 40-series tires would be worse. A taller sidewall can flex more, therefore more even pressure is maintained across the tread even with negative camber."

[ketchup!]

maybe if he was on low profile tires this would apply but he's on stock wheels

and i've never had a camber kit, just alignments with toe set to 0 and my tires did fine and my cars were slammed

[jen.]

maybe if he was on low profile tires this would apply but he's on stock wheels

and i've never had a camber kit, just alignments with toe set to 0 and my tires did fine and my cars were slammed

He's not on stock wheels. Whether or not they are low profile, I don't know because he's never given me the specs, but they certainly aren't stock. His stock ones are currently listed for sale on this website.

I don't think anyone is arguing that toe isnt a major contributing factor to tire wear. The OP asked for advice and photographs, from people with civics, based on their experiences with suspension set ups. I wasn't trying to start a problem. I was however informing him that in my personal experience, I AM lowered on Eibachs, I AM aligned by a reputable shop, and I still DO have negative camber and some uneven tire wear. I'm not contesting that toe wears tires out more aggressively, but that is not to say that negative camber plays NO part in tire wear.

Many other 8thgens have had the same issue, and it HAS been fixed with camber kits. It may have something to do with our control arms, as they have even been the cause of uneven tire wear on civics that AREN'T lowered. While we're on the topic of dispersing literature, some reading materials that Honda released in the form of a TSB can be found here:

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/3431997-post108.html

Granted, the TSB covers civics that are not of the si model, but the part number on the TSB is identical to the si and the si apparently isn't covered because its supposed to be part of the special "sport" suspension to help in cornering, even if tires wear unevenly.

Either way, many 8thgeners who have come across this problem, especially those that are lowered (and many with alignments) have had the problem fixed with camber kits.

Even tirerack.com has a great write up on aligmnments and in it, they agree that toe is a major contributing factor to tire wear, but also that camber contributes. That article can be found here:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=4

Again, wasn't starting to cause a problem, I was just stating what I know based on my own experience with the car. I am saying that even if its not as aggressive, negative camber can cause uneven tire wear. I'm pretty sure no one is disagreeing with you that when you're tow is out of whack, it causes tire wear. But it's not what you said, its how you said it.

[CivicSi]

Please read this statement from the link YOU posted.

"Well that's about all I can think of to say. Hopefully this will help to dispel some of the myths. Hopefully I can help some people keep some extra money instead of wasting it all on camber kits and expensive alignments.

*edit* something else to add - lower profile tires will tend to wear a bit more on the inside edge with negative camber, even with proper alignment. I do get a bit more inner wear on my 205/45-16's than I did on my 195/55-15's or 205/50-15's. I would imagine 40-series tires would be worse. A taller sidewall can flex more, therefore more even pressure is maintained across the tread even with negative camber."

I gotta say, never thought about the taller sidewall flex, that is a good point, as for that website, i like it... minus the comment about "newer civics have a steeper camber curve" .. I just dont wanna waist the money on springs ... alignment.. then 5 months later im through a set of tires in like 5,000 miles..

[CivicSi]

THANKS jen.
yeah i looked at the tirerack.com article .. talked to a sales agent at tirerack, that i've dealt with on a couple occasions, and he recommends a camber kit for the rear on anything lower then 1.5" on the Si.

iv got the question riding over on 8thcivic as well, c what i get back there.. got the chance to get some skunk2's for $175.. but its a 2.1 front 2 rear.. that'll deff push the limits of being in spec..

[ourbloodykisses]

just get a ****ing camber kit or its going to look like ****. stop cheaping out, its suspension. its not like youre buying ****ing fog lights.
get a camber kit and get it done and over with.
TOE WILL CAUSE MORE TIRE WEAR THAN CAMBER
thats the point he is trying to make.

[ketchup!]

just get a ****ing camber kit or its going to look like ****. stop cheaping out, its suspension. its not like youre buying ****ing fog lights.
get a camber kit and get it done and over with.
TOE WILL CAUSE MORE TIRE WEAR THAN CAMBER
thats the point he is trying to make.

yep. pretty much

[Jenn.]

But it's not what you said, its how you said it.

BAHAHAH!!!!!! Thanks, Mom. :rofl:

[CivicSi]

BAHAHAH!!!!!! Thanks, Mom. :rofl:

but this is why we love Jen. haha:mrgreen:

[Blue_blur47]

Get the HFP kit. It's the only way to go if you don't want coilovers. Also it won't ruin your warranty!