Advice reccomendations on EVO project / quiet exhaust also

[alachua]

Alright, in my absense I have convinced my good friend to get himself an EVO. We are currently debating between an Evo 9 RS, and possibly an Evo 8 MR that his dealer has sitting on the lot. The short term goal is about 350-400whp, with a long term goal of 500+. Personally, I know little about the cars, aside from what I have read here and cross posted to nasioc (and maybe a little peaking on evo-m), so i need some advice.

First, what is a good flowing, true 3" all the way through, exhaust that is somewhat quiet. I was thinking possibly the Buschur Racing 3" downpipe mated to their own exhaust with the magnaflow muffler option. Anything better or cheaper?

Secondly, here is an over view of what we are thinking for parts:

Buschur Racing:

Deluxe FMIC
Custom upper IC piping
HKS cams/gears (assuming we go with the 8)
780 cc injectors
walboro 255 fp
3" downpipe/exhaust

AEM EMS with multi gauge (assuming 8 again)

Snow Performance water injection kit with boost cut switch

Blitz SBC-Id ebc

Possibly:
ARP head studs
Cometic Gasket
- this may not happen right away, but possibly

Now, what is the result of the above mods on the stock turbo? I understand the 9 has a better stock snail on it, from what I have read. Down the road, the addition of any GT35 kit should accomplish our end goal. Will the lack of cams/EMS for the 9 be a huge drawback in putting down nearly 400 whp?

Any info, or links will be greatly appreciated.

-Cliff

[silver05bullet]

if you get the 9, and want to save money buy the Megan racing turbo back exhaust, a fuel pump, and a intake and youll be at 370 or so horsepower with a tune, to get about 350 on the 8 you need to add cams to the equation. Basically the evo 9 is good if you want to get the best bang for the buck when your modding, but if your trying ot go all out doesnt matter which one you get, because after about 420hp they even out and you get roughly same power

[alwaysinboost]

I second the Megan Racing exhaust. :iagree:

Its a full 3" TBE that is almost as quiet as stock, that is until you go WOT. There customer service is great and the price can not be beat! If you can try and get the version that has the solid DP with no flex section in it because it has a tendancy to smack one of the lower tie-bars during slow take offs. If you reuse the stock spring bolts to connect the o2 housing to the DP you won't need the flex section in there.

Also if your going to keep the stock manifold they make a pretty inexpensive o2 housing that you should do at the same time.

[03tarmacblack]

Being quiet is all about having a test pipe/some kinda of cat and muffler, but more or less its if your catted or not, I have a magnaflow muffler but my exhaust is loud as **** because of being catless, its all depends if your willing to lose power for sound, not much power, but the only way your making it quieter, is by restricting it. 5spd is supposedly better for drag racing, and the 6spd is better for auto x,the mr is a 6 speed, and evo 9 rs is a 5 spd.
Why not consider a regular 05, for the discount over the 9, its worth it in my book.
For the best 500whp longterm goal, get an exhaust for the meantime, and even the aem ems, cause your he's going to need it in the long run anyway(maybe a flash if he plans to wait a little longer to get to 500whp+), and then when he has the money tell him to get a turbo kit from one of the many good companies( buschur, ams, etc.) otherwise if buys everything seperate over time hes going to waste alot of money, If I knew what I know now,and saved my money I would have atleast a low 11 sec. evo by now.

[alwaysinboost]

For some reason the Megan exhaust is quieter then most TBE's that I've come across. My 04 GSR with a megan racing TBE and a resonated cat delete pipe was just as loud as the stock exhaust at all throttle positions except for WOT. I've heard other manufactures exhausts (busher, AMS, HKS) and honestly think the Megan sounds the quietest.

IMO as long as your comparing apples to apples, meaning the exhaust is a true 3" design with no neck downs, I don't see a need to pay 800-900 for one of the "name" brands when you can have the exact same performance and great sound for almost half the price.

[03tarmacblack]

For some reason the Megan exhaust is quieter then most TBE's that I've come across. My 04 GSR with a megan racing TBE and a resonated cat delete pipe was just as loud as the stock exhaust at all throttle positions except for WOT. I've heard other manufactures exhausts (busher, AMS, HKS) and honestly think the Megan sounds the quietest.

IMO as long as your comparing apples to apples, meaning the exhaust is a true 3" design with no neck downs, I don't see a need to pay 800-900 for one of the "name" brands when you can have the exact same performance and great sound for almost half the price.
Agree with you also, Ive havent heard many bad things at all with the megan tbe, but I got my exhaust witch I consider better.. for cheaper, thats why I went the way I did. My magnaflow muffler with 3 inch catback before I went catless, also sounded almost stock at idle, but i thought you meant at WOT.

[USARARE1]

Agree with you also, Ive havent heard many bad things at all with the megan tbe, but I got my exhaust witch I consider better.. for cheaper, thats why I went the way I did. My magnaflow muffler with 3 inch catback before I went catless, also sounded almost stock at idle, but i thought you meant at WOT.

+1 ON THE EXHAUST!

[03tarmacblack]

+1 ON THE EXHAUST!
sent you pm

[brk4sti]

I have a cat back in my garage a blitz nur spec that wasn't loud but I put my buschur back on I need to sell if your interested

[alachua]

Just some updates:

It has pretty much been decided that my friend is going with the evo 9 RS. While the lack of cams/ems will present a bit of a bump in the road long term, it has a number of advantages in the short term, not the least of which is availability in the desired color with no wing.

I'm not really familiar with what exactly the O2 housing is, i assume it is a piece that sits on the exhaust housing of the turbo, and feeds into the downpipe...

While it isn't necessary to be quite, and cats are certainly not a necesity, we are more looking to avoid getting an overly loud exhaust (think RFL/Nur-spec for a wrx) that has no performance gain.

Thanks for the info so far.

-Cliff

[EVO8YOU]

Do hks rs intake, tbe, boost controller, 272 ex cam, LICP and Snow Performance alky and you will easily be into the 11s and at about 400whp

[alachua]

Do hks rs intake, tbe, boost controller, 272 ex cam, LICP and Snow Performance alky and you will easily be into the 11s and at about 400whp

No dice on cams for the Evo9. What is LICP? Is there real power in intakes on the evo, or are they similar to the WRX, with minimal gains?

-Cliff

[EVO8YOU]

What do you mean no dice on cams? TT has the intake cam already and the HKS/GSC fit fine in the exhaust cam. Cams really wake evos up and they are super easy to install. Intakes when tuned make in the 10whp range. You could cheap out and do a drop in filter but I rather go with the real deal.

[EVO8YOU]

O yea LICP is lower intercooler pipe

[silver05bullet]

No dice on cams for the Evo9. What is LICP? Is there real power in intakes on the evo, or are they similar to the WRX, with minimal gains?

-Cliff

There are cams for the EVO9 check with turbo trix, any exhaust cam will work as well

[alachua]

There are cams for the EVO9 check with turbo trix, any exhaust cam will work as well

My bad...last I looked they were still waiting on dyno results from TT and weren't publicly available... got any links?

I thought both the intake and exhaust cam changed...this definatly changes things.

How is the quality of the Buschur products I listed? My friend is currently planning on relocating the batter to the trunk, and just having is own IC piping mandrel bent and most likly using a Tial BOV, so we won't be going with any upper intercooler piping kits, and the lower IC piping is included with their delux front mount.

Got any tips for aftermarket radiators or other cooling components?

-Cliff

[03tarmacblack]

My bad...last I looked they were still waiting on dyno results from TT and weren't publicly available... got any links?

I thought both the intake and exhaust cam changed...this definatly changes things.

How is the quality of the Buschur products I listed? My friend is currently planning on relocating the batter to the trunk, and just having is own IC piping mandrel bent and most likly using a Tial BOV, so we won't be going with any upper intercooler piping kits, and the lower IC piping is included with their delux front mount.

Got any tips for aftermarket radiators or other cooling components?

-Cliff
I got a koyo radiator, really brings those temps down compared to the stock radiator when your cruising around. Buschur products are always top notch, and if theres ever a problem they have great customer service, dave's usually on the forums half the day.

[EVO8YOU]

Best mod hands down is alcohol injection on turbo cars, supresses knock, and then you can increase timing, lean afr and up the boost.

[peteyturbo]

If he wants a 3 inch exhaust with reasonable sound levels, get a new Apexi NOIR system or the RSR EXmag..I wouldnt get an intake unless you have the car tunes for an intake because they mess with the MAF readings and the car will have to be richened up. You will find that for an EVO 9 to run 11's it only takes a few parts.This is what I would do.

Apexi Noir catback
Works 3 inch cast 02 housing and downpipe
UR 3 inch Test pipe
Dynoflash custom tune
Forge UNOS MBC
Some DEFI BF imperial gauges
HKS RS intake
JDM MR diverter valve
Alchohol injection (optional) Facilitates utilization of 26psi daily

Setup should be good for high 11's on pump gas and mid to high 11's w/alky.

[peteyturbo]

Keep in mind he can also run a dual stage reflash with only exhaust and MBC car will be good for 350-375WHP on 110 octane.Easily 11 second power.Do hks rs intake, tbe, boost controller, 272 ex cam, LICP and Snow Performance alky and you will easily be into the 11s and at about 400whp

[peteyturbo]

May I ask why he is redoing the IC piping? And how is he going to get that Tial to work with the factory engine management??Also, upgrading the IC won't do too much at this point either..Sounds like he needs to take a step back and re-evaluate the situation before he wastes alot of $$ IMHO.

My bad...last I looked they were still waiting on dyno results from TT and weren't publicly available... got any links?

I thought both the intake and exhaust cam changed...this definatly changes things.

How is the quality of the Buschur products I listed? My friend is currently planning on relocating the batter to the trunk, and just having is own IC piping mandrel bent and most likly using a Tial BOV, so we won't be going with any upper intercooler piping kits, and the lower IC piping is included with their delux front mount.

Got any tips for aftermarket radiators or other cooling components?

-Cliff

[9 Ball]

I would suggested Greddy. I'm very satisfied with Greddy... very quiet... except at WOT... I'm also running a test pipe and it's still very quiet. I have lady friends too. :wink:

The Evo 9 is a good choice. Your friend can easilly get over 370whp... I'm jealous.

EDIT:
I would also wait on Alcohol. I'm still debating about that myself. Plus there is plenty of power potential on the Evo 9 already... you can get big power on the stock turbo easily without Alcohol. :rock:

[EVO8YOU]

I would suggested Greddy. I'm very satisfied with Greddy... very quiet... except at WOT... I'm also running a test pipe and it's still very quiet. I have lady friends too. :wink:

The Evo 9 is a good choice. Your friend can easilly get over 370whp... I'm jealous.

EDIT:
I would also wait on Alcohol. I'm still debating about that myself. Plus there is plenty of power potential on the Evo 9 already... you can get big power on the stock turbo easily without Alcohol. :rock:

Have you ever driven in a can with alky?

[9 Ball]

No I have not, but I do know it’s a big power jump.

I’m still debating on the instillation for myself. I’m very big on long-term reliability and I am still not yet convinced that the "mechanical" aspect of the system is 100% reliable. A solenoid can always fail, a hose can crack, etc, etc.

It’s not about if I’ve driven in a car that has alcohol. I just made a 60whp jump last month so I know what a big power increase feels like. Rather, I’m more concerned with long-term reliability of the systems’ mechanical components. :wink:

If “alachua’s” friend is gonna be keeping his Evo as a weekend warrior… go for it. But I drive my car everyday, year round (from 100 degrees to 0 degrees) so I wanna make sure everything can hold up. I like big power too, however, I approach everything with a bit of caution as well. :cool:

[silver05bullet]

No I have not, but I do know it’s a big power jump.

I’m still debating on the instillation for myself. I’m very big on long-term reliability and I am still not yet convinced that the "mechanical" aspect of the system is 100% reliable. A solenoid can always fail, a hose can crack, etc, etc.

It’s not about if I’ve driven in a car that has alcohol. I just made a 60whp jump last month so I know what a big power increase feels like. Rather, I’m more concerned with long-term reliability of the systems’ mechanical components. :wink:

If “alachua’s” friend is gonna be keeping his Evo as a weekend warrior… go for it. But I drive my car everyday, year round (from 100 degrees to 0 degrees) so I wanna make sure everything can hold up. I like big power too, however, I approach everything with a bit of caution as well. :cool:

that is true and if anything with the alky ever goes wrong its just a big kablamo unless u have a stand alone management system that can quickly pull timing and boost and all that but that requires it to sense that something is wrong with the car.

Definitely the alky is a good upgrade 9 ball with alky u shoudl be around 400whp and 412tq or so. So its like putting cams on top of your cams, it would be sick

By the way im taking donations for an alky kit thru paypal

[9 Ball]

So its like putting cams on top of your cams, it would be sick

Ha, ha… I like that.

Yes, the alcohol route is still on my mind. When I go to sleep, I have nightmares there are still people out there that can outrun me. I awake in cold sweats… constantly looking over my shoulder for a 500hp STi lurking around the onramps... it’s horrible. :rolleyes:

I’m just taking my time and doing a little more research. But I’ve got the cash… so you never know… I might sneak up on everybody with it. :wink:

[9 Ball]

Slightly off topic… info on Evo 9 Cams at TurboTrix. :thumbup:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=188603&page=1&pp=15

[silver05bullet]

Well bro im still taking donations money is kinda tight considering i just paid for 6 tickets in the last 2 weeks ****ing sucks and you know what else sucks 8 points on my license in NJ sucks

[EVO8YOU]

Well anyone with concerns about alky just IM me or PM me and I will take care of those for you. I run it day in and day out. I can't go without it haha.

[alachua]

May I ask why he is redoing the IC piping? And how is he going to get that Tial to work with the factory engine management??Also, upgrading the IC won't do too much at this point either..Sounds like he needs to take a step back and re-evaluate the situation before he wastes alot of $$ IMHO.

He is doing his own upper IC pipe, because the cost of buschur's is somewhat outlandish.

The IC is less for right now, more for when he decides to go to a much larger turbo. For the time being, we have decided on investing about 4-5k into the car. that will be solely power mods.

Getting the TiAL to work with the factory ECU didn't cross my mind at first, i forgot that there isn't any stand alone's out for the 9's. Damn.

As far as wasting a lot of $$, that is what we are hoping to avoid. Almost all the mods made at first will be in planning for, or used for the larger turbo upgrade.

Alky injection is being discussed right now.

How do people feel about the quality of the DynoFlash through the mail tune. I know it is far from optimum, but with no real engine management available, it is certainly a very reasonable cost solution to running a good bit more HP on the stock turbo.

-Cliff

[peteyturbo]

The mail in will give him a great boost in performance..11's with a mail in,mbc and exhaust on the 9's. He can still take an upgrade path that will also benifit the larger turbo while at the same getting HP every step of the way, and the IC and BOV will be one of the last mods.FYI you could FART on an EVO 9 and it it will push it into the 11's..
He is doing his own upper IC pipe, because the cost of buschur's is somewhat outlandish.

The IC is less for right now, more for when he decides to go to a much larger turbo. For the time being, we have decided on investing about 4-5k into the car. that will be solely power mods.

Getting the TiAL to work with the factory ECU didn't cross my mind at first, i forgot that there isn't any stand alone's out for the 9's. Damn.

As far as wasting a lot of $$, that is what we are hoping to avoid. Almost all the mods made at first will be in planning for, or used for the larger turbo upgrade.

Alky injection is being discussed right now.

How do people feel about the quality of the DynoFlash through the mail tune. I know it is far from optimum, but with no real engine management available, it is certainly a very reasonable cost solution to running a good bit more HP on the stock turbo.

-Cliff

[Evolved]

How do people feel about the quality of the DynoFlash through the mail tune. I know it is far from optimum, but with no real engine management available, it is certainly a very reasonable cost solution to running a good bit more HP on the stock turbo.

-Cliff
I'd wait for a custom tune versus a mail in.

[evospeed]

yes, please don't waste any money on pointless things at this point. everything will need to be changed at a certain point, but your immediate goals should be simplified.

TBE
MBC
Drop-in air filter (k&n)
HKS 280 cams (see Turbo Trix for Evo9 cams)
Ecuteck flash
Alky would top it off - gets you to 400+whp

No reason to change stock air box/intake yet. People have made over 500whp with stock box. Do not waste your money on an intercooler, intercooler pipes, BOV's, etc. at this point. For about $3K or less you can have 400whp. The 9 is truly a beast.

Buy other things if you have extra money, but they are not needed for 400whp.

In this order...
Intercooler and pipes
Exhaust Manifold and O2 housing

[alachua]

yes, please don't waste any money on pointless things at this point. everything will need to be changed at a certain point, but your immediate goals should be simplified.

TBE
MBC
Drop-in air filter (k&n)
HKS 280 cams (see Turbo Trix for Evo9 cams)
Ecuteck flash
Alky would top it off - gets you to 400+whp

No reason to change stock air box/intake yet. People have made over 500whp with stock box. Do not waste your money on an intercooler, intercooler pipes, BOV's, etc. at this point. For about $3K or less you can have 400whp. The 9 is truly a beast.

Buy other things if you have extra money, but they are not needed for 400whp.

In this order...
Intercooler and pipes
Exhaust Manifold and O2 housing

Spending money on it isn't really a problem. He has a set amount aside for his first round of mods, so I figure just spend it now.

The real problem is getting one of the damn cars. He has been trying to get one since the first day I posted this, best estimates are that getting a white RS may still be almost 60 days off. There apparantly is like 2 on the entire east coast. He was set to go with one from SouthCoast, but they :finga: ed him like they did everyone on EvoM.

-Cliff

[Evolved]

He was set to go with one from SouthCoast, but they :finga: ed him like they did everyone on EvoM.

-Cliff
Explain. Most people seem happy with their deals.

[alachua]

Explain. Most people seem happy with their deals.

March 15th: "yes, here is the deal, the cars will be here on April 15th."
March 22th: "everything is good, we have a white RS coming, the deal still stands"
March 28th: "nonono, don't worry about a deposit, I'll call you sunday. Everything is fine with the deal"
April 2nd: "sorry, the deal we talked about, that you tried to reserve, is now $1,000 more. We totally didn't know that with over 110 cars coming in that the price would go up $1,000. Our buyers are blatently ignorant of purchases involving over $3 million dollars of product, and couldn't possibly have known tha the deals we were promising would never happen. Nevermind I could have sold you a regular Evo for the same price a month ago, and you would have it by now, instead, I suggest you pay more for the RS."

He will now be buying it from a local dealer, assuming they can actually find one. Otherwise, its most likly 350Z time.

-Cliff

[Evolved]

March 15th: "yes, here is the deal, the cars will be here on April 15th."
March 22th: "everything is good, we have a white RS coming, the deal still stands"
March 28th: "nonono, don't worry about a deposit, I'll call you sunday. Everything is fine with the deal"
April 2nd: "sorry, the deal we talked about, that you tried to reserve, is now $1,000 more. We totally didn't know that with over 110 cars coming in that the price would go up $1,000. Our buyers are blatently ignorant of purchases involving over $3 million dollars of product, and couldn't possibly have known tha the deals we were promising would never happen. Nevermind I could have sold you a regular Evo for the same price a month ago, and you would have it by now, instead, I suggest you pay more for the RS."

He will now be buying it from a local dealer, assuming they can actually find one. Otherwise, its most likly 350Z time.

-Cliff
Mitsubishi is no longer offereing dealer incentives on the Evo and that's why the price changed.

[alachua]

Mitsubishi is no longer offereing dealer incentives on the Evo and that's why the price changed.

Which is fine. Had the conversation between the dealer and my friend included that vital bit of info. However, despite my friend asking him specifically about any type of incentive ending, and asking about putting a deposit to lock in a price, this was never brought up. Instead, he was assured multiple times that everything was fine, and the deal was going to go through. It was known from the first phone call that the car wouldn't be at the dealer until April. It was also discussed that at any time, he was fine with putting a deposit on the car. This is either incompetence on the sales persons behalf, or shenanigans expecting people to pay the extra money after waiting for a month to get a car.

Again, the price that they are now offering for the RS was the same as the GSR in march, which they had on the lot, and if they had told him forthright that this would be the case, he would have bought the GSR, and been driving it by now.

-Cliff

[Evolved]

Is it possible that they didn't know that Mitsubishi was going to pull the incentives? Also one person does not equal everyone on Evom.

[alachua]

Is it possible that they didn't know that Mitsubishi was going to pull the incentives? Also one person does not equal everyone on Evom.

Working in retail, and having friends who have run dealerships, I find it highly unlikly that they had no idea that an incentive was about to end, especially with over 100 cars coming in. I'm not saying they have screwed everyone on EvoM, however, from what I understand (I havn't had a chance to read it myself), the current thread relating to the shipment of cars coming in is full of people who have experienced the same issue as my friend. 100 angry customers looking for a car that the company sells 500-600 of a month, during its best selling months, doesn't seem to be a good sign.

-Cliff