Nissan FTW

[ambitiousCK]

This isnt a "What should i buy" thread, myself included hate those threads and im not here to ask which car i should buy. Im simply here to ask people who have owned these cars or people that have more knowledge than me with each of these cars. Im looking to buy another car as a project and would like some input on the tunability, aftermarket, reliability, ect. with each of these vehicles. Price range is ~$25k and under 50k miles, i have found at least few a of each of the cars mentioned so i know its possible. Also this will not be a daily so no need to get in a "AWD for winter" discussion. Please keep rude and off-topic posts to yourself, thanks!

Subaru STi 08+

Pros:
-Boxer Rumble
-Bulletproof 6 Speed
-What im used to
-Good platform to start with
-AWD


Cons:
-Expensive for +400awhp
-Already been here
-Not an Evo lol

Mustang Cobra 03/04

Pros:
-Easy Big Power
-Bulletproof Tranny
-Bulletproof Motor
-Exhaust/SC'er symphony

Cons:
-RWD (IMO/traction issues)
-Weak Interior
-Live rear axle
-Heavy
-Softer suspension

BMW 335i Coupe

Pros:
-Sounds great w/ exhaust
-Decent power w/ aftermarket
-BMW quality

Cons:
-Pricey
-Maintenance
-Pricey aftermarket
-RWD

Mitsubishi Evolution 9 (GSR/SE)

Pros:
-Bulletproof motor
-Seats
-Looks good
-Big aftermarket

Cons:
-Only 5 speed
-Lag with the 2.0
-Lifeless exhaust note (IMO)

Mitsubishi Evolution X

Pros:
-Great looks
-Nice interior
-Takes well to mods

Cons:
-Slower than Evo 9
-4B11T not as proven as 4G63
-Weak 5 speed
-Lifeless exhaust (IMO)

Infinity G37

Pros:
-Great looks
-6 Speed
-Great exhaust

Cons:
-Pricey aftermarket
-Pricey
-Maintenance

Nissan 370Z

Pros:
-Same as Infinity

Cons:
-Pricey aftermarket

Honda AP2 S2000

Pros:
-Looks

Cons:
-Vert
-Pricey to mod
-RWD

Volvo C30

Pros:
-Love their look
-Exhaust
-Decent aftermarket

Cons:
-5 cylinder, really?
-FWD =(

I've also thought of Charger SRT-8, 350/G35, Genesis Coupe, Audi S4, Volks R32, GSX, Mazda Speed6. Some of what i said above IMO, others are somewhat known "facts", what ever you care to enlighten me on feel free. Also if you have any other recommendations feel free to bring them up, looking for mainly AWD or RWD. Thanks guys!

Currently leaning towards Evo 9, Cobra, and 335i.

[evomike]

Why is rwd a con? Proper set up cobras will pull ridiculous 60 foot times.

[laser92dsm]

I would possibly choose any of those just because like you said they all have their pros and cons. If I had to pick it would be either an Evo or a Sti (but you have done that already) another option is a Cobra, if your only using it for a weekender a Cobra or Evo would do the job.

[DownforceTom]

335s are uncharted territory with mileage & reliability.

[mcperson2k]

s2000 is expensive to mod?

[Foolinaround]

Im assuming hes meaning turbo,supporting mods for boost,motor work,etc.

[augustburnshred]

Im a dsmer so I say evo 9 the tens arent as quick because of the new transmissions and its not a 4g63 anymore. and I would definitely want awd. and the 9's come in the MR which is 6 speed.

[mcperson2k]

If your interested in a Cobra, I saw this on Autotrader.... Seems like a pretty good price for it being a dealer.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=291395161&dealer_id=69679&car_year=2004&doors=&systime=&model=MUST&search_lang=en&start_year=2003&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=100&min_price=&drive=&rdm=1299455699500&marketZipError=false&advanced=y&fuel=&keywords_display=&sownerid=574030&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2004&showZipError=n&make2=&certified=&engine=8+Cylinder&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=Manual&default_sort=newsortbyprice_ASC&max_mileage=&address=19355&color=&sort_type=priceASC&max_price=&awsp=false&make=FORD&seller_type=d&num_records=100&cardist=70&standard=false

[ambitiousCK]

Why is rwd a con? Proper set up cobras will pull ridiculous 60 foot times.

Wheelspin and me being a virgin to RWD are the cons for me. Not cons in general.

I would possibly choose any of those just because like you said they all have their pros and cons. If I had to pick it would be either an Evo or a Sti (but you have done that already) another option is a Cobra, if your only using it for a weekender a Cobra or Evo would do the job.

Yea it'll just be a fun build and a place to put all my money :lol:

335s are uncharted territory with mileage & reliability.

Meaning there too new to say about there reliability yet?

s2000 is expensive to mod?
See below
Im assuming hes meaning turbo,supporting mods for boost,motor work,etc.
This :mrgreen:
Im a dsmer so I say evo 9 the tens arent as quick because of the new transmissions and its not a 4g63 anymore. and I would definitely want awd. and the 9's come in the MR which is 6 speed.


Yea the X's are nicer as far as interior vs. the 9's (IMO) and the 9's MR 6 speed is something i'd like to stay away from, hence the specification of the GSR and SE models.


Keep the feedback coming guys :mrgreen:

[ambitiousCK]

If your interested in a Cobra, I saw this on Autotrader.... Seems like a pretty good price for it being a dealer.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=291395161&dealer_id=69679&car_year=2004&doors=&systime=&model=MUST&search_lang=en&start_year=2003&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=100&min_price=&drive=&rdm=1299455699500&marketZipError=false&advanced=y&fuel=&keywords_display=&sownerid=574030&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2004&showZipError=n&make2=&certified=&engine=8+Cylinder&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=Manual&default_sort=newsortbyprice_ASC&max_mileage=&address=19355&color=&sort_type=priceASC&max_price=&awsp=false&make=FORD&seller_type=d&num_records=100&cardist=70&standard=false


wow thats real low mileage lol i found many Cobras for $20k and under though. I dont have a specific range in where im looking for cars. I'd have no problem flying to purchase a car. lol

[ambitiousCK]

Also, reason i posted "pricey aftermarket" for some cars is that if its N/A (350/370, G35/G37, S2000 ect.) it would be being built (motor, F/I) after bolt ons are accomplished. Just to clarify that...

[Kiro]

Is ~$25k your budget, or just your price range for the initial purchase of the vehicle?

Some of these, like you've mentioned, you can find for under $20k. Whatever is remaining after purchasing can be put towards modding. For example, if you had to choose between a $15k S2000 with $10k mods and a stock $25k STi (numbers are only for example and do not reflect real prices), which would you rather have?

I haven't driven let alone owned any of these cars before, so I don't really have an informed opinion. Of that list, though, I'd go with an early AP2 S2000 before they introduced drive-by-wire. However, for you, I think the Evo IX would be a good choice.

[ambitiousCK]

Is ~$25k your budget, or just your price range for the initial purchase of the vehicle?

Some of these, like you've mentioned, you can find for under $20k. Whatever is remaining after purchasing can be put towards modding. For example, if you had to choose between a $15k S2000 with $10k mods and a stock $25k STi (numbers are only for example and do not reflect real prices), which would you rather have?

I haven't driven let alone owned any of these cars before, so I don't really have an informed opinion. Of that list, though, I'd go with an early AP2 S2000 before they introduced drive-by-wire. However, for you, I think the Evo IX would be a good choice.

The $ 25k is just the purchase price of the car itself, now though the more and more I research I'm finding some things I like and don't like. Like the lack of aftermarket for the 335i and the cobras interior...yuck. The evo 9 is still number one but im gonna be looking at the G37/370z alittle closer.

[ndubz]

Subaru STi 08+---------- Only if u really want it over the others, cuz like u said, uve been there done that....I personally wouldnt get another sti right away.

Pros:
-Boxer Rumble
-Bulletproof 6 Speed
-What im used to
-Good platform to start with
-AWD


Cons:
-Expensive for +400awhp
-Already been here
-Not an Evo lol

Mustang Cobra 03/04--------- Great choice if u want a fast car with a lot of easy potential, definitely the fastest of ur listed options, deff kind crap on the interior though. But if u just want fast as hell, get this hands down

Pros:
-Easy Big Power
-Bulletproof Tranny
-Bulletproof Motor
-Exhaust/SC'er symphony

Cons:
-RWD (IMO/traction issues)----------------- Learn to handle it, its not that hard just got to a parking lot and practice, and teach urself to be more mindful of what ur right foot is doing, and what the car is doing. Hone ur senses.
-Weak Interior
-Live rear axle-------- Not on these, they had IRS on the cobras only
-Heavy---------- 3300-3400lbs is on the lighter side of most of the cars in question
-Softer suspension--------------- One of the easiest things to change about a car, not even worth mentioning here

BMW 335i Coupe

Pros:
-Sounds great w/ exhaust
-Decent power w/ aftermarket
-BMW quality

Cons:
-Pricey----------------- This will be a continuing theme if u get this car, yea its very nice in all ways......but ur paying for it
-Maintenance
-Pricey aftermarket
-RWD------------------- Same as above, RWD is easy and preferable if u know what ur doing with it.

Mitsubishi Evolution 9 (GSR/SE)------------- Great option if u dont want a X more for some reason.......namely weight

Pros:
-Bulletproof motor
-Seats
-Looks good
-Big aftermarket

Cons:
-Only 5 speed------------- 6 speed if u can find an MR
-Lag with the 2.0
-Lifeless exhaust note (IMO)

Mitsubishi Evolution X ------------ Great car, hard to argue with 370whp from basic mods alone, and ur well aware of what a goo package a fast awd sedan is from ur scoob

Pros:
-Great looks
-Nice interior
-Takes well to mods

Cons:
-Slower than Evo 9
-4B11T not as proven as 4G63----------- True in that it hasnt been around as long, but it seems to be doing well
-Weak 5 speed-------------------- This is very true, it completely drops off when u shift into 5th lol
-Lifeless exhaust (IMO)

Infinity G37

Pros:
-Great looks
-6 Speed
-Great exhaust

Cons:
-Pricey aftermarket
-Pricey
-Maintenance
------------------------- For both VQ37 cars, theyre fun but if u want 400whp from them ur gonna have to spend alot to boost them, cuz they aint making more than 350 (generous) without boost. Fun cars though, but theres better ones on this list.
Nissan 370Z

Pros:
-Same as Infinity

Cons:
-Pricey aftermarket

Honda AP2 S2000------------- This is quite different from anything else here. If u want a fun roadster then this is good, but u put rwd and vert under cons.....so u clearly dont.......forget the S2k then bro

Pros:
-Looks

Cons:
-Vert
-Pricey to mod
-RWD

Volvo C30------ Very fun car, but again quite different from anything else ur considering here, and like the S2k u dot really seem to want this kind of car......not over the others anyway

Pros:
-Love their look
-Exhaust
-Decent aftermarket

Cons:
-5 cylinder, really?
-FWD =(

I've also thought of Charger SRT-8 No its Auto u'll hate urself, 350/G35 Not if u can have a 370Z/G37, Genesis Coupe Very good car, maybe think more about it compared to the others, Audi S4 If ur thinking B6 then forget it. V8 + 13gal tank = less than 200mi per tank, Volks R32 Cool car, great sound, but expensive and limited, GSX, Mazda Speed6 good car not as good as the evo or sti. Some of what i said above IMO, others are somewhat known "facts", what ever you care to enlighten me on feel free. Also if you have any other recommendations feel free to bring them up, looking for mainly AWD or RWD. Thanks guys!

Currently leaning towards Evo 9, Cobra, and 335i.

Good call, u need to figure out what u really want though. If u can do without the Luxury, then scrap the bimmer for sure. If u want power and speed, get the cobra bar none. If u want the good overall package then either evo is the way to go

[Subie_sleeper]

Or wait for the Subaru/Toyota sports car to hit.

It's going to be in the 25k range. :)

[Fujito]

Don't get an Evo X. You're into making the car flashy, so you'd be competing with me.

I have yet to see a local 08+ STi that stands out from the crowd.

[AutobahnRacer]

STi if I had to choose. If the S2000 were an AP1 I'd say through that in the choices as well.

[ambitiousCK]

Subaru STi 08+---------- Only if u really want it over the others, cuz like u said, uve been there done that....I personally wouldnt get another sti right away.

Pros:
-Boxer Rumble
-Bulletproof 6 Speed
-What im used to
-Good platform to start with
-AWD


Cons:
-Expensive for +400awhp
-Already been here
-Not an Evo lol

Mustang Cobra 03/04--------- Great choice if u want a fast car with a lot of easy potential, definitely the fastest of ur listed options, deff kind crap on the interior though. But if u just want fast as hell, get this hands down

Pros:
-Easy Big Power
-Bulletproof Tranny
-Bulletproof Motor
-Exhaust/SC'er symphony

Cons:
-RWD (IMO/traction issues)----------------- Learn to handle it, its not that hard just got to a parking lot and practice, and teach urself to be more mindful of what ur right foot is doing, and what the car is doing. Hone ur senses.
-Weak Interior
-Live rear axle-------- Not on these, they had IRS on the cobras only
-Heavy---------- 3300-3400lbs is on the lighter side of most of the cars in question
-Softer suspension--------------- One of the easiest things to change about a car, not even worth mentioning here

BMW 335i Coupe

Pros:
-Sounds great w/ exhaust
-Decent power w/ aftermarket
-BMW quality

Cons:
-Pricey----------------- This will be a continuing theme if u get this car, yea its very nice in all ways......but ur paying for it
-Maintenance
-Pricey aftermarket
-RWD------------------- Same as above, RWD is easy and preferable if u know what ur doing with it.

Mitsubishi Evolution 9 (GSR/SE)------------- Great option if u dont want a X more for some reason.......namely weight

Pros:
-Bulletproof motor
-Seats
-Looks good
-Big aftermarket

Cons:
-Only 5 speed------------- 6 speed if u can find an MR
-Lag with the 2.0
-Lifeless exhaust note (IMO)

Mitsubishi Evolution X ------------ Great car, hard to argue with 370whp from basic mods alone, and ur well aware of what a goo package a fast awd sedan is from ur scoob

Pros:
-Great looks
-Nice interior
-Takes well to mods

Cons:
-Slower than Evo 9
-4B11T not as proven as 4G63----------- True in that it hasnt been around as long, but it seems to be doing well
-Weak 5 speed-------------------- This is very true, it completely drops off when u shift into 5th lol
-Lifeless exhaust (IMO)

Infinity G37

Pros:
-Great looks
-6 Speed
-Great exhaust

Cons:
-Pricey aftermarket
-Pricey
-Maintenance
------------------------- For both VQ37 cars, theyre fun but if u want 400whp from them ur gonna have to spend alot to boost them, cuz they aint making more than 350 (generous) without boost. Fun cars though, but theres better ones on this list.
Nissan 370Z

Pros:
-Same as Infinity

Cons:
-Pricey aftermarket

Honda AP2 S2000------------- This is quite different from anything else here. If u want a fun roadster then this is good, but u put rwd and vert under cons.....so u clearly dont.......forget the S2k then bro

Pros:
-Looks

Cons:
-Vert
-Pricey to mod
-RWD

Volvo C30------ Very fun car, but again quite different from anything else ur considering here, and like the S2k u dot really seem to want this kind of car......not over the others anyway

Pros:
-Love their look
-Exhaust
-Decent aftermarket

Cons:
-5 cylinder, really?
-FWD =(

I've also thought of Charger SRT-8 No its Auto u'll hate urself, 350/G35 Not if u can have a 370Z/G37, Genesis Coupe Very good car, maybe think more about it compared to the others, Audi S4 If ur thinking B6 then forget it. V8 + 13gal tank = less than 200mi per tank, Volks R32 Cool car, great sound, but expensive and limited, GSX, Mazda Speed6 good car not as good as the evo or sti. Some of what i said above IMO, others are somewhat known "facts", what ever you care to enlighten me on feel free. Also if you have any other recommendations feel free to bring them up, looking for mainly AWD or RWD. Thanks guys!

Currently leaning towards Evo 9, Cobra, and 335i.

Good call, u need to figure out what u really want though. If u can do without the Luxury, then scrap the bimmer for sure. If u want power and speed, get the cobra bar none. If u want the good overall package then either evo is the way to go

Def agree with most of the things you said, barring the Evo and Cobra everything on the list will cost big money to make over 400whp. If thats the case the STi would be in line again BUT the big thing with that would be trying something new.


Or wait for the Subaru/Toyota sports car to hit.

It's going to be in the 25k range. :)

I was thinking about that...maybe i'll have the time to see.

Don't get an Evo X. You're into making the car flashy, so you'd be competing with me.

I have yet to see a local 08+ STi that stands out from the crowd.

Not to jerk you off or anything but you were in the back of my mind when i thought about the X lmao.



The 370z has really grabbed my attention and that is now in the top three....sadly i want a complete car as in performance/interior/exterior/visceral feeling ect. and the Cobra really doesnt make the list on some of those. If all i wanted was big HP i'd be all over the Cobra...but the thought of me driving around in that interior just irks me...especially with nothing i could do about it. The 370z seems to meet a lot if not all of my wants. The interior is nice, i like the exterior styling...large hips...mmmmm....lol Great exhaust note, 6MT, 4 pot 14'' brake set up on the sports models (only model i'd consider) and can make decent HP with bolt ons. Yes boost will cost money and any real boost will mean i built motor, 6-8psi on stock VQ37 is all it can handle. But if i was going to build the STi like that i'll have no problem building the 370z like that. This def isnt set in stone though.....Evo 9 GSR or SE is def still up there at the top.

[Fujito]

370Z's are very sexy cars. With coilovers and nice aggressive wheels the car is sex.

[ndubz]

I was saying that the Stang and the Evo would be the cheapest to make over 400whp. To my knowledge I think intake pully and exhaust will get u there easy with the stang.

The bimmer is the only really expensive one

[ambitiousCK]

370Z's are very sexy cars. With coilovers and nice aggressive wheels the car is sex.

Already looking at rim set ups lol 19x9.5 with 265-35-19 and 19x10.5 with 305-30-19.....ayyyy lol With no problems and room for spacers. 370 sure does have a fat ass lol

I was saying that the Stang and the Evo would be the cheapest to make over 400whp. To my knowledge I think intake pully and exhaust will get u there easy with the stang.

The bimmer is the only really expensive one

very true, but not sure if thats the route im looking for.



Been reading up that the new VQ37DE or HE whatever motors are good to at least 500rwhp for the stock block. Upgraded internals over the VQ35 motors, just read this though...could be hear-say.

[ndubz]

Already looking at rim set ups lol 19x9.5 with 265-35-19 and 19x10.5 with 305-30-19.....ayyyy lol With no problems and room for spacers. 370 sure does have a fat ass lol



very true, but not sure if thats the route im looking for.



Been reading up that the new VQ37DE or HE whatever motors are good to at least 500rwhp for the stock block. Upgraded internals over the VQ35 motors, just read this though...could be hear-say.

Doesn't seem unreasonable. But keep in mind u have to pay to boost an unboosted car. Its alot of work and money that everyone says they will do, but it rarely gets done cuz its alot of money all at once and theres alot of quirks to work out after its done.

Whereas with the Evo or the stang, theyre already boosted so gains will come easier, and the ECUs are already programmed for forced induction, and the plumbing is all there already. Its just easier and will be more reliable if u want that kind of power.

Just try not to turn into a douche if u get the mustang, and look into some herbal supplements to try and counteract the 3" shrink in penis size that occurs within one week of signing the title. :lol:

[ambitiousCK]

Doesn't seem unreasonable. But keep in mind u have to pay to boost an unboosted car. Its alot of work and money that everyone says they will do, but it rarely gets done cuz its alot of money all at once and theres alot of quirks to work out after its done.

Whereas with the Evo or the stang, theyre already boosted so gains will come easier, and the ECUs are already programmed for forced induction, and the plumbing is all there already. Its just easier and will be more reliable if u want that kind of power.

Just try not to turn into a douche if u get the mustang, and look into some herbal supplements to try and counteract the 3" shrink in penis size that occurs within one week of signing the title. :lol:

lmao well subtracting three puts me at average...wonder how the misses would feel about that lmao....nothing is set in stone at this point though and the Evo is def still a big player.

The 370z doesnt seem as quick as it should, this is purely from watching accel vids on youtube lol but when i think back to the STi that was ~300aawhp to the 332 crank hp in the 370z....it just doesnt have that wow factor....hmmm and paying 7-8k to run low 12s with 400-450rwhp....that wouldnt be cutting it either. Hell 335i's run lower with less invested. Good thing i have some time to think about this lol. One thing is that the Cobra's are the fastest car on this list hands down stock to stock modded to modded lol Shame their interiors are from a garbage bin.





Ahhhh decisions decisions.......

[ndubz]

lmao well subtracting three puts me at average...wonder how the misses would feel about that lmao....nothing is set in stone at this point though and the Evo is def still a big player.

The 370z doesnt seem as quick as it should, this is purely from watching accel vids on youtube lol but when i think back to the STi that was ~300aawhp to the 332 crank hp in the 370z....it just doesnt have that wow factor....hmmm and paying 7-8k to run low 12s with 400-450rwhp....that wouldnt be cutting it either. Hell 335i's run lower with less invested. Good thing i have some time to think about this lol. One thing is that the Cobra's are the fastest car on this list hands down stock to stock modded to modded lol Shame their interiors are from a garbage bin.





Ahhhh decisions decisions.......

yea true that lol.

I drove a 370Z last year, it definitely is not on par with a 300whp sti. It was fun, but just felt kinda dull by comparison. And ur not gonna see much more than 320whp from the VQ without F/I

[ambitiousCK]

yea true that lol.

I drove a 370Z last year, it definitely is not on par with a 300whp sti. It was fun, but just felt kinda dull by comparison. And ur not gonna see much more than 320whp from the VQ without F/I

Hmmmm got me thinking now lol. I wouldn't boost a n/a motor that quick.



What is the aftermarket looking like for 335i's? I've seen chips, downpipes, catbacks and intakes. Any turbo kits out yet?

I know the aftermarket for evos..actually already have my mod list made lol and I knew what's out there for Cobras but everything else I'm semi in the dark about.

[Zdrummer15]

The Evo IX wouldn't be nearly as big of a transition from an STi, but is still different. I feel like going from a Subaru to a Cobra would be a big jump, but maybe that doesn't bother you. What kind of use do you plan to get out of the car? Since you said it won't be a DD I'm guessing it may see some track use. Both the Evo and Cobra can be great drag cars, but I wouldn't want to take a high powered Cobra around turns (especially being used to a well handling awd car). If it were me, I would consider what is the best all around car and what can be the fastest relative to the money spent on it. To me this would be the Evo IX. They are easy to work on compared to some of the cars you are considering and can be made stupid fast for much less then most mentioned. The only drawback at all to me is that they are a sedan (I'm ultimately a fan of 2 doors and 2 seats for a non daily driven performance car), but that would be nowhere near the top of my list of priorities.

[Beachcomber]

If u want power and speed, get the cobra bar none. If u want the good overall package then either evo is the way to go[/B]

:iagree:

[nuTinmuch]

lmao well subtracting three puts me at average...wonder how the misses would feel about that lmao....nothing is set in stone at this point though and the Evo is def still a big player.

The 370z doesnt seem as quick as it should, this is purely from watching accel vids on youtube lol but when i think back to the STi that was ~300aawhp to the 332 crank hp in the 370z....it just doesnt have that wow factor....hmmm and paying 7-8k to run low 12s with 400-450rwhp....that wouldnt be cutting it either. Hell 335i's run lower with less invested. Good thing i have some time to think about this lol. One thing is that the Cobra's are the fastest car on this list hands down stock to stock modded to modded lol Shame their interiors are from a garbage bin.





Ahhhh decisions decisions.......

The 370 is a quick car. It has a very linear power band (though, it is sort of iffy down low) and doesn't feel fast off the line. From experience though, you look down and **** yourself at how fast you're going.

Off your list, I'd say the 370 will cost you the most, though. Don't fool yourself. You're going to spent at least 28k for a well maintained 370. You're going to spend 15k on top of that for any sort of -well done- FI setup. I heard you mention wheels -- unless you take a weight hit (the sport package wheels are forged Rays), you're going to be dropping 3.5k+ on wheels.

The sport brakes are great for the street, but fade on the track and will need to be replaced if you do things right. It goes on and on.

I would not suggest this car to someone with a power modding itch unless they had a very large budget.

You could totally do a few suspension and supporting track mods and you'd have a very awesome track rat, though.

If you want power, I'd go for the X or I'd say **** it and get a 2011 Mustang GT barebones and laugh at everything else on your list.

edit: if I had unlimited money, I'd have a 370 and an X, fwiw.

[mitsuboost30]

Im a dsmer so I say evo 9 the tens arent as quick because of the new transmissions and its not a 4g63 anymore. and I would definitely want awd. and the 9's come in the MR which is 6 speed.


If you were a "dsmer" you wouldnt be recommending a 6 speed...
everything else i agree with


to everyone thats saying rwd isnt a con... coming from an sti/evo.. going rwd is a con... period..

CK once AWD with power.. any other drivetrain feels like a downgrade..

[DaveSTi]

Where's this talk of the Evo X having a weak transmission come from? Here's the facts:

http://www.jackstransmissions.com/pages/evox-review

It's the best Mitsubishi 5 speed transmission ever made.

As far as your choices, they really boil down to if you want power or handling or both.

If you just want big power, get the Cobra.

If you just want great handling, get the S2000.

If you want both, get the Evo 9 or X.

The rest aren't as good.

Easy decision once you drive the cars. The 08+ STi, 370Z and Cobra will fall by the wayside once you get behind the wheel of the S2000 or Evo, IMO. The Cobra makes amazing power for cheap but uses the old SN195 chassis and just isn't as fun to drive.

[ndubz]

Hold up here stevo. U say this aint a DD, u want it just for fun and stuntin on some bitches real hard? And for 25K?

Steve Meet Lotus, Lotus meet Steve

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jnkm0bqSjBI/TTpu07SA6uI/AAAAAAAAALU/7ULMcIjaQpI/s1600/LOTUS+ELISE+%25284%2529.jpg


One example:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=294355682&dealer_id=66049891&car_year=2006&doors=&systime=&model=LOTELISE&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=0&min_price=&drive=&rdm=1299514692537&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2012&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&max_mileage=&address=08540&color=&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=30000&awsp=false&make=LOTUS&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=682&standard=false


Think about it for a sec. Now its not gonna put out insanely high numbers, but remember it weighs under 2k. Supercharger kits are widely available. One of these with 300hp is as quick or quicker than a cobra with 400 or so. Plus, u could use this for some legit road course events as well as auto X. Theyre reliable cuz they have a toyota celica motor, they sound dope, 30+mpg, and most things are not terribly expensive for them because of the toyota parts bin. And its a ****ing LOTUS......Baller ass ****. Top speed is like 150 yea, but when are u really gonna do more than that anyway?

Give it some consideration.....

[ambitiousCK]

The Evo IX wouldn't be nearly as big of a transition from an STi, but is still different. I feel like going from a Subaru to a Cobra would be a big jump, but maybe that doesn't bother you. What kind of use do you plan to get out of the car? Since you said it won't be a DD I'm guessing it may see some track use. Both the Evo and Cobra can be great drag cars, but I wouldn't want to take a high powered Cobra around turns (especially being used to a well handling awd car). If it were me, I would consider what is the best all around car and what can be the fastest relative to the money spent on it. To me this would be the Evo IX. They are easy to work on compared to some of the cars you are considering and can be made stupid fast for much less then most mentioned. The only drawback at all to me is that they are a sedan (I'm ultimately a fan of 2 doors and 2 seats for a non daily driven performance car), but that would be nowhere near the top of my list of priorities.
i like the idea of a two eater in the 370z but the best most cost effective choice is most likely the Evo 9.
The 370 is a quick car. It has a very linear power band (though, it is sort of iffy down low) and doesn't feel fast off the line. From experience though, you look down and **** yourself at how fast you're going.

Off your list, I'd say the 370 will cost you the most, though. Don't fool yourself. You're going to spent at least 28k for a well maintained 370. You're going to spend 15k on top of that for any sort of -well done- FI setup. I heard you mention wheels -- unless you take a weight hit (the sport package wheels are forged Rays), you're going to be dropping 3.5k+ on wheels.

The sport brakes are great for the street, but fade on the track and will need to be replaced if you do things right. It goes on and on.

I would not suggest this car to someone with a power modding itch unless they had a very large budget.

You could totally do a few suspension and supporting track mods and you'd have a very awesome track rat, though.

If you want power, I'd go for the X or I'd say **** it and get a 2011 Mustang GT barebones and laugh at everything else on your list.

edit: if I had unlimited money, I'd have a 370 and an X, fwiw.

Good points

If you were a "dsmer" you wouldnt be recommending a 6 speed...
everything else i agree with


to everyone thats saying rwd isnt a con... coming from an sti/evo.. going rwd is a con... period..

CK once AWD with power.. any other drivetrain feels like a downgrade..

Well heres a simple question then....how did you like your Evo 9 SE before going to the GTR?

Where's this talk of the Evo X having a weak transmission come from? Here's the facts:

http://www.jackstransmissions.com/pages/evox-review

It's the best Mitsubishi 5 speed transmission ever made.

As far as your choices, they really boil down to if you want power or handling or both.

If you just want big power, get the Cobra.

If you just want great handling, get the S2000.

If you want both, get the Evo 9 or X.

The rest aren't as good.

Easy decision once you drive the cars. The 08+ STi, 370Z and Cobra will fall by the wayside once you get behind the wheel of the S2000 or Evo, IMO. The Cobra makes amazing power for cheap but uses the old SN195 chassis and just isn't as fun to drive.

I heard about it on Evolutionm, but as usual you enlighten me on the topic lol.

Hold up here stevo. U say this aint a DD, u want it just for fun and stuntin on some bitches real hard? And for 25K?

Steve Meet Lotus, Lotus meet Steve

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jnkm0bqSjBI/TTpu07SA6uI/AAAAAAAAALU/7ULMcIjaQpI/s1600/LOTUS+ELISE+%25284%2529.jpg


One example:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=294355682&dealer_id=66049891&car_year=2006&doors=&systime=&model=LOTELISE&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=0&min_price=&drive=&rdm=1299514692537&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2012&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&max_mileage=&address=08540&color=&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=30000&awsp=false&make=LOTUS&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=682&standard=false


Think about it for a sec. Now its not gonna put out insanely high numbers, but remember it weighs under 2k. Supercharger kits are widely available. One of these with 300hp is as quick or quicker than a cobra with 400 or so. Plus, u could use this for some legit road course events as well as auto X. Theyre reliable cuz they have a toyota celica motor, they sound dope, 30+mpg, and most things are not terribly expensive for them because of the toyota parts bin. And its a ****ing LOTUS......Baller ass ****. Top speed is like 150 yea, but when are u really gonna do more than that anyway?

Give it some consideration.....

Its a good thought but i dont think a Lotus would be for me.

[R22B]

My vote goes for Evo X.

[jpalamar]

Termi/Mustangs have an insane aftermarket and are really cheap to mod(why I just bought an 05 GT). Termis have IRS so they actually drive decent. You aren't going to pull STi/Evo turns but you won't regreting it either. They can also fit huge rear tires very easy. I'm planning on 275s and thats small. I see people at 305s all the time with a 10" wide wheel. Find a convertable and that will add to the fun(just get sub frame connectors). The sound of a termi whine with a nice exhaust is near the top of my list for best sounds ever.

Hell, you could just buy a 03/04 GT for $11k and fully mod it and be complete for probally arround $25k.

[ambitiousCK]

Termi/Mustangs have an insane aftermarket and are really cheap to mod(why I just bought an 05 GT). Termis have IRS so they actually drive decent. You aren't going to pull STi/Evo turns but you won't regreting it either. They can also fit huge rear tires very easy. I'm planning on 275s and thats small. I see people at 305s all the time with a 10" wide wheel. Find a convertable and that will add to the fun(just get sub frame connectors). The sound of a termi whine with a nice exhaust is near the top of my list for best sounds ever.

Hell, you could just buy a 03/04 GT for $11k and fully mod it and be complete for probally arround $25k.

Very true, i wouldnt buy a Vert or just a GT unless it was a 11+.

[mcperson2k]

That blacked out 02 gt in the fs section is sexy

[ambitiousCK]

That blacked out 02 gt in the fs section is sexy

yea def, saw it in person before. But if i was going with a mustang it'd be a terminator lol

[mcperson2k]

Yeah, I don't know the differences between the two, I just know his is sexy lol. What are the differences besides the supercharger?

[jpalamar]

Yeah, I don't know the differences between the two, I just know his is sexy lol. What are the differences besides the supercharger?

Termi has an IRS rear, 4V heads, supercharger, 6 speed... there is probally more with suspension/brakes but that gives you the gist of things.

Not enough for me to justify paying $15k when I can go aftermarket and get better/higher HP parts for about the same.

[Chris B.]

After looking over your list of cars and price range, I have a few thoughts. What do you plan to do with the car? Are you going to autoX? Drag race? Turn it into a show car? Do track days? Just want a fun daily driver?

You want under 50,000 miles and under $25,000 and are looking at these cars:
Subaru STi 08+
Mustang Cobra 03/04
BMW 335i Coupe
Nissan 370Z
Honda AP2 S2000

Any reason why you wouldn't get a new 2011 V6 Mustang with the V6 performance package? You can get one for well under $25K and Ford has $1500-$2500 in rebates offered now. It has a warranty and as long as you leave the engine internals stock, warranty claims shouldn't be an issue if you ever have a problem. The car has close to 50/50 weight distribution and can run on 87 octane gasoline. It also gets about 30 MPG highway. I'm sure you have seen the latest Car & Driver Lightning lap results. Even with bouncing off the stock 114 MPH speed limiter, it was a hair slower than the Nizmo 370Z, same lap times as the 350Z track, and it was faster than the lancer Evo MR, Lancer Evo IX MR, BMW 135i, 2008 and 2011 WRX STi, WRX, S2000 CR, and Mazdaspeed3. It was only 2 seconds per lap slower than the 335i. Add an intake and tune to get rid of the speed limiter and I'm sure it could run a second or two faster. The V6 Mustangs seem to gain about 20 HP at the wheels with an intake and a tune and it also knocks a few tenths off their 1/4 mile time. The aftermarket on these cars is already growing and most parts are inexpensive when compared to many imports. Since they share suspension and brakes with the Mustang GT's there is already a wide choice of aftermarket parts available.


Also, any reason you aren't looking at a used 2005-2010 Mustang GT? There are quite a few for sale int he $15K-$22K range that have mild mods and they have a huge relatively inexpensive aftermarket. Before I bought mine, I wasn't even considering getting one until I test drove it and comapred the price of the car and modifications to other cars I was lookng at. They are a great performance per dollar value. I've also used it as a daily driver through the past few winters with no issues, all I added was a spare set of stock wheels and good snow tires.


I also know someone selling a 2008 Griggs Racing GR40TT Mustang GT for $22K. Here is the info:
Griggs Racing GR40TT
Standard Features:
4.6L aluminum modular, 24-valve SOHC V8
JLT Cold-Air Intake w/custom tune
SCT flash tuner
305rwhp @ 6000 rpm (w/included headers installed)
2.5" stainless steel dual exhaust system
Tremec TR-3650 5-speed, full synchro
Griggs Racing GR40 SLA suspension
-Tubular front cradle with integral core support
-Adjustable bind-free anti-roll bar
-Severe-duty adjustable front lower control arms
-Relocated adjustable rear lower control arms
-Koni coil-over suspension, track tuned
-Adjustable ride height
-Heavy Duty TorqueArm™
285/40ZR18 Goodyear F1 Supercar tires
Shelby GT500 18" x 9.5" aluminum wheels
Classic Design Concepts "Classic V8" Chin Spoiler
Bespoke stainless ‘GR’ logo badge on fenders and under hood

MSRP
$ 49,900.00 (not including options below)

This car also has the following options:

Chassis Options:
Griggs Racing Watts Link w/ adjustable roll center
Griggs Racing "315" shock brackets (allows the use 10.5" wheels)
Griggs Racing 4on4 Brake System
Additional set of single adjustable rear track shocks

Engine Options:
Canton Racing high capacity road race oil pan, baffled with trap doors
Borla Industries stainless long tube headers w/offroad x-pipe (included, but not installed)
C&R Racing/Revan Racing aluminum dual core high capacity radiator
Borla Industries XR-1 Stainless mufflers
Griggs Racing power steering cooler

Safety Equpiment:
Integral roll bar w/harness bar
Safecraft 6-point racing harness
Rear axle overflow vent catch container

Exterior Options:
3M Invisibra on front end and leading edges
Tiger Racing Super Louver Street Hood (works with stock hinges)
Aerocatch hood pins
Classic Design Concepts gas-charged hood struts (replaced stock prop rod)
Griggs Racing front brake ducts
Shelby GT500 rear spoiler
Shelby GT500 rear bumper
Shelby GT500 rocker panels

With all the options the car listed at $69,000

Perfect track day/street car. Complete adjustable. Absolute monster in the corners, see videos below.
Car is in outstanding condition
CA Emissions Legal
27,500 miles
Meticulously maintained
New engine installed by Ford @ 25,500 miles
Still under factory warranty until 9/17/2011 or 36,000 miles
No accidents, never crashed or abused. (Rear bumper cover was replaced by insurance due to someone backing into me in parking lot)

Notes:
TPMS light is on due to left front sensor not working
Check Engine light is on (due to charcoal canister being removed under spare tire well, removed parts included with sale)
All stock engine equipment is included

$22,000. No trades.

csebern@gmail.com

Videos are here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/GR40Freak

Pictures are here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/cortex.r...2008MustangGT#

More car info here:
http://www.cortexracing.com/projects/colin-08/

Griggs Racing GR40 Turnkey car page here:
http://gr40cars.com/

[ambitiousCK]

After looking over your list of cars and price range, I have a few thoughts. What do you plan to do with the car? Are you going to autoX? Drag race? Turn it into a show car? Do track days? Just want a fun daily driver?

You want under 50,000 miles and under $25,000 and are looking at these cars:
Subaru STi 08+
Mustang Cobra 03/04
BMW 335i Coupe
Nissan 370Z
Honda AP2 S2000

Any reason why you wouldn't get a new 2011 V6 Mustang with the V6 performance package? You can get one for well under $25K and Ford has $1500-$2500 in rebates offered now. It has a warranty and as long as you leave the engine internals stock, warranty claims shouldn't be an issue if you ever have a problem. The car has close to 50/50 weight distribution and can run on 87 octane gasoline. It also gets about 30 MPG highway. I'm sure you have seen the latest Car & Driver Lightning lap results. Even with bouncing off the stock 114 MPH speed limiter, it was a hair slower than the Nizmo 370Z, same lap times as the 350Z track, and it was faster than the lancer Evo MR, Lancer Evo IX MR, BMW 135i, 2008 and 2011 WRX STi, WRX, S2000 CR, and Mazdaspeed3. It was only 2 seconds per lap slower than the 335i. Add an intake and tune to get rid of the speed limiter and I'm sure it could run a second or two faster. The V6 Mustangs seem to gain about 20 HP at the wheels with an intake and a tune and it also knocks a few tenths off their 1/4 mile time. The aftermarket on these cars is already growing and most parts are inexpensive when compared to many imports. Since they share suspension and brakes with the Mustang GT's there is already a wide choice of aftermarket parts available.


Also, any reason you aren't looking at a used 2005-2010 Mustang GT? There are quite a few for sale int he $15K-$22K range that have mild mods and they have a huge relatively inexpensive aftermarket. Before I bought mine, I wasn't even considering getting one until I test drove it and comapred the price of the car and modifications to other cars I was lookng at. They are a great performance per dollar value. I've also used it as a daily driver through the past few winters with no issues, all I added was a spare set of stock wheels and good snow tires.


I also know someone selling a 2008 Griggs Racing GR40TT Mustang GT for $22K. Here is the info:
Griggs Racing GR40TT
Standard Features:
4.6L aluminum modular, 24-valve SOHC V8
JLT Cold-Air Intake w/custom tune
SCT flash tuner
305rwhp @ 6000 rpm (w/included headers installed)
2.5" stainless steel dual exhaust system
Tremec TR-3650 5-speed, full synchro
Griggs Racing GR40 SLA suspension
-Tubular front cradle with integral core support
-Adjustable bind-free anti-roll bar
-Severe-duty adjustable front lower control arms
-Relocated adjustable rear lower control arms
-Koni coil-over suspension, track tuned
-Adjustable ride height
-Heavy Duty TorqueArm™
285/40ZR18 Goodyear F1 Supercar tires
Shelby GT500 18" x 9.5" aluminum wheels
Classic Design Concepts "Classic V8" Chin Spoiler
Bespoke stainless ‘GR’ logo badge on fenders and under hood

MSRP
$ 49,900.00 (not including options below)

This car also has the following options:

Chassis Options:
Griggs Racing Watts Link w/ adjustable roll center
Griggs Racing "315" shock brackets (allows the use 10.5" wheels)
Griggs Racing 4on4 Brake System
Additional set of single adjustable rear track shocks

Engine Options:
Canton Racing high capacity road race oil pan, baffled with trap doors
Borla Industries stainless long tube headers w/offroad x-pipe (included, but not installed)
C&R Racing/Revan Racing aluminum dual core high capacity radiator
Borla Industries XR-1 Stainless mufflers
Griggs Racing power steering cooler

Safety Equpiment:
Integral roll bar w/harness bar
Safecraft 6-point racing harness
Rear axle overflow vent catch container

Exterior Options:
3M Invisibra on front end and leading edges
Tiger Racing Super Louver Street Hood (works with stock hinges)
Aerocatch hood pins
Classic Design Concepts gas-charged hood struts (replaced stock prop rod)
Griggs Racing front brake ducts
Shelby GT500 rear spoiler
Shelby GT500 rear bumper
Shelby GT500 rocker panels

With all the options the car listed at $69,000

Perfect track day/street car. Complete adjustable. Absolute monster in the corners, see videos below.
Car is in outstanding condition
CA Emissions Legal
27,500 miles
Meticulously maintained
New engine installed by Ford @ 25,500 miles
Still under factory warranty until 9/17/2011 or 36,000 miles
No accidents, never crashed or abused. (Rear bumper cover was replaced by insurance due to someone backing into me in parking lot)

Notes:
TPMS light is on due to left front sensor not working
Check Engine light is on (due to charcoal canister being removed under spare tire well, removed parts included with sale)
All stock engine equipment is included

$22,000. No trades.

csebern@gmail.com

Videos are here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/GR40Freak

Pictures are here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/cortex.r...2008MustangGT#

More car info here:
http://www.cortexracing.com/projects/colin-08/

Griggs Racing GR40 Turnkey car page here:
http://gr40cars.com/

At the moment im not entirely sure what will be done with it. Unlike the STi, lets for example pick my number one choice right now the Evo 9, i wouldnt be so into the exterior of the car so tracking would def be an option, never really been into autoX but who knows since it wont be a daily. Never was a big fan of any Mustang besides the 03/04 terminators and i found 2011 GT's for just over my price range which caught me as a surprise and yes tons of V6 Mustangs...but in my mind, this is purely IMO, if im buying a performance car...i want the best available hence STi over WRX, v8 over v6, 911 over caymen ect. ect. jsut the way i think when it comes to purchases like this.

[jjm4life]

Its a good thought but i dont think a Lotus would be for me.

this is the first time ive ever liked what ndubz had to say. worth test driving one, its honestly like nothing else on the road. i dd my exige. just sayin.

[DaveSTi]

Before you go much further, just do yourself (and all of us) a favor and test drive the cars. You're picking between such a diverse kind of driving experience with all of these that the decision is going to end up boiling down to a much, much fewer selection of cars. Only YOU can answer which you prefer to drive and only YOUR opinion behind the wheel matters since it is YOUR car. I can tell you right now, that no matter what you do to a Mustang's suspension or chassis (SN195 ESPECIALLY) it will never have the feel of an Evo. I can also tell you that a 370z will never feel the same as an S2000 or how the STi does not feel like the Evo (even when you put thousands into the suspension...I know somebody who once did that).

[Fujito]

Just get the one you think looks coolest. Problem solved.

[DJI203]

335i is great if you want both luxury/sport but I can tell you now lack of LSD makes it overpriced in my books. not to mention, the widely known "HPFP" failure is something i do not want to deal with.

[06SS/SC ALL DAY]

LS1/LSX... choose one... own everyone

[ambitiousCK]

this is the first time ive ever liked what ndubz had to say. worth test driving one, its honestly like nothing else on the road. i dd my exige. just sayin.

lol your Exige is sick...but i'd want the Exige and thats just a smidge out of my price range lol

Before you go much further, just do yourself (and all of us) a favor and test drive the cars. You're picking between such a diverse kind of driving experience with all of these that the decision is going to end up boiling down to a much, much fewer selection of cars. Only YOU can answer which you prefer to drive and only YOUR opinion behind the wheel matters since it is YOUR car. I can tell you right now, that no matter what you do to a Mustang's suspension or chassis (SN195 ESPECIALLY) it will never have the feel of an Evo. I can also tell you that a 370z will never feel the same as an S2000 or how the STi does not feel like the Evo (even when you put thousands into the suspension...I know somebody who once did that).

I def plan to for the select cars i come to.

Just get the one you think looks coolest. Problem solved.
lol not that simple.


335i is great if you want both luxury/sport but I can tell you now lack of LSD makes it overpriced in my books. not to mention, the widely known "HPFP" failure is something i do not want to deal with.
yea i dont see how a 335i is gonna work out for me...just not enough upside
LS1/LSX... choose one... own everyone

if it was down to simply owning everyone i'd TT a cobra. end of story lol.

[jjm4life]

plenty of sick looking elises.

[JERRYM1997]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQX3cOAbes
/THREAD

or what about a c5 z06?
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/2251667732.html

[ambitiousCK]

plenty of sick looking elises.
true...just not what im looking for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQX3cOAbes
/THREAD

or what about a c5 z06?
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/2251667732.html

lol ive watched all those Cobra vids...and thought about the C5 as well...theres even some C6's in my price range lol



Seems like its coming down to a Evo 9 GSR/SE,Cobra or a 370z. Evo would be a weekly kind of build with lots of new parts...370z would be a slow build with big purchases...6-10k for a partial TT kit....ouch. The Cobra would be fun and has some potential but the interior is really holding me back :cry: The 370z's seem to move boosted....but thats a lot of time and money for 500rwhp. I have some time to really think about this and gain knowledge about each of the vehicles listed.

[jjm4life]

im failing at creating a lotus army.

[ambitiousCK]

im failing at creating a lotus army.

Lmfao its not that I don't like them, but its just not a car I'd want to own.



Anybody have any sites for aftermarket 370z parts?

[itwillboost]

I would go with the 370 which has a big future, an evo which is a great car with an excellent past, or a c5 z06 if you want american muscle.

[nuTinmuch]

Lmfao its not that I don't like them, but its just not a car I'd want to own.



Anybody have any sites for aftermarket 370z parts?

I could show you Amuse or Top Secret and make you kill yourself, buuuut...

http://aamcompetition.com/

http://www.gtmotorsports.com/

Start there.

[evomike]

Buy something done and just drive it, if your thinking of an Evo buy a built 8 and be done with it. From what I rea it seems your set on awd that's your best bet buy something someone else already spent all the money on.

[jnr5005]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQX3cOAbes
/THREAD

or what about a c5 z06?
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/2251667732.html

this!

[ambitiousCK]

I could show you Amuse or Top Secret and make you kill yourself, buuuut...

http://aamcompetition.com/

http://www.gtmotorsports.com/

Start there.

thanks, i was looking for more of a site for a collection of parts, such as evokiller.com stikiller.com ect.

Buy something done and just drive it, if your thinking of an Evo buy a built 8 and be done with it. From what I rea it seems your set on awd that's your best bet buy something someone else already spent all the money on.

Quite the contrary for me though...i'd want something as stock as possible and have all my own parts in it.




As of right now im leaning towards the 370z surprisingly enough. I wouldnt mind a full bolt on, sick stanced 370. Then eventually TT it.


Im not worried about having the highest HP, someone will always have more money, resources, and POWER than what you can come up with. I've only ever driven a select couple of cars and it will come down to me wanting a nice car that i can piece together and maybe one day make into something special. The mod list for the 370 would be pretty short compared to the plans i had set up for the Evo but i need to learn more about the 370 and its aftermarket.

[300zx_tt]

It all depends what you want your main course to be, looks or performance. The 370, and the Cobra are not ugly, or slow; but the cobra is way faster and not as apealing to the eye. the 370 on the other hand is not as fast out of the box with alot of potential (~15k worth of mod, turbo suspension,exhaust etc...) and has the looks to go along with it....... I would get the cobra because a sweet ass interior isnt #1 on my wish list for a car, thats just me tho.

[arkadyzv]

What do you want out of it? What are you planning to do with it? How much money are you going to dump into it?

Its also funny how people think 335s are expensive to mod. Since when? I think this is one of the cheapest cars I've ever owned to mod. Chip and 2 filters , $400 , made an 350/370 up from 266/277 stock. Add dps and fmic, 400/400, add meth or racegas upto 450. Thats all stock turbos, stock fuel system stock everything. As far as the fuel pump issues, who cares, some people have them, I have never had my pump replaced. The pumps are waranteed till 120k, and as far as service goes, I have yet to be treated better. Its drives great when you get rid of the ****ty runflats, its handles and "feels" really good. Big aftermarket, lots and lots of wheels, lots of suspension stuff, exterior stuff is probably cheaper than Subaru and evo stuff. Overall out of your list its the nicest car to be inside out of everything listed.

Personally I'm sick and tired of evos, everyone has one, atleast the 9s. A good friend has a 10, while a lot nicer, its still cheap inside minus the recaros, cheap plastic, etc. Definetely not all that quick stock, definitely not that cheap to mod.

370z are cool in my book. I think the Termi cobras are probably one of my favorite cars, great mod potential, amazing sound.

In general RWD is way more fun, the whole snow thing is meh, I got around fine in mine and all I had on it was continental DWS's , it didnt move like my Subaru did but I got to where I needed to go fine, even in somewhat deep snow.

Best word of advice, go drive everything, if you dont love it, move on.

[ambitiousCK]

It all depends what you want your main course to be, looks or performance. The 370, and the Cobra are not ugly, or slow; but the cobra is way faster and not as apealing to the eye. the 370 on the other hand is not as fast out of the box with alot of potential (~15k worth of mod, turbo suspension,exhaust etc...) and has the looks to go along with it....... I would get the cobra because a sweet ass interior isnt #1 on my wish list for a car, thats just me tho.

Yea the interior for me is a big thing...thats the only thing holding me back from seriously considering it.

What do you want out of it? What are you planning to do with it? How much money are you going to dump into it?

Its also funny how people think 335s are expensive to mod. Since when? I think this is one of the cheapest cars I've ever owned to mod. Chip and 2 filters , $400 , made an 350/370 up from 266/277 stock. Add dps and fmic, 400/400, add meth or racegas upto 450. Thats all stock turbos, stock fuel system stock everything. As far as the fuel pump issues, who cares, some people have them, I have never had my pump replaced. The pumps are waranteed till 120k, and as far as service goes, I have yet to be treated better. Its drives great when you get rid of the ****ty runflats, its handles and "feels" really good. Big aftermarket, lots and lots of wheels, lots of suspension stuff, exterior stuff is probably cheaper than Subaru and evo stuff. Overall out of your list its the nicest car to be inside out of everything listed.

Personally I'm sick and tired of evos, everyone has one, atleast the 9s. A good friend has a 10, while a lot nicer, its still cheap inside minus the recaros, cheap plastic, etc. Definetely not all that quick stock, definitely not that cheap to mod.

370z are cool in my book. I think the Termi cobras are probably one of my favorite cars, great mod potential, amazing sound.

In general RWD is way more fun, the whole snow thing is meh, I got around fine in mine and all I had on it was continental DWS's , it didnt move like my Subaru did but I got to where I needed to go fine, even in somewhat deep snow.

Best word of advice, go drive everything, if you dont love it, move on.

hmmm good information on the 335i.



Got a chance to look up close and personal tonight at the exact 370z i'd buy. White with the sport package...car is astonishing in my book....couldnt drive it cause they were closing but its def at the top of my list now. They only started making them in 09 and i want the performance package so im going to have to pay more than the $25k budget...but not by much. And the thing about the Z is that i wouldnt have such a huge mod list compared to some of the other cars....simple mods that are 3-4k each (assuming quality coils will be pricey, and wheels are pricey at those sizes no matter what i buy) and then when im ready and have had enough fun after bolt ons......twin turbo it.


Stay tuned :lol:

[DaveSTi]

A 370z on some Ohlins makes me drool.

[evomike]

The only car on the list I wouldn't consodder at all is the 335 because of reliability, they are nightmares now I can only imagine when they get to be higher in mileage.

[ambitiousCK]

A 370z on some Ohlins makes me drool.

Well you know who i'll be coming to for suspension help :mrgreen:

The only car on the list I wouldn't consodder at all is the 335 because of reliability, they are nightmares now I can only imagine when they get to be higher in mileage.

thats why im not either :lol:



Im 98% set on the 370z.....barring a terrible reaction when i drive one it will be my next project :mrgreen:

[mitsuboost30]

Well heres a simple question then....how did you like your Evo 9 SE before going to the GTR?


I absolutely loved it... rarely found a car that could get me off the line.. including Matts 900hp cobra...

Wanted something different. and got tired of paying for full coverage with my driving record.. Wouldnt drive it without full coverage due to having so much wrapped up in the car.

[nuTinmuch]

Well you know who i'll be coming to for suspension help :mrgreen:



thats why im not either :lol:



Im 98% set on the 370z.....barring a terrible reaction when i drive one it will be my next project :mrgreen:

If you were like me, you had no idea what you wanted... and then you walked up to one.

I don't care if something faster exists. Something faster will always exist.

What matters to me is the feeling you get when you walk up to your car. I don't even have to drive the thing to smile.

[ambitiousCK]

If you were like me, you had no idea what you wanted... and then you walked up to one.

I don't care if something faster exists. Something faster will always exist.

What matters to me is the feeling you get when you walk up to your car. I don't even have to drive the thing to smile.

Thats how i was thinking...and last night...when i saw it in the lot..... "Oh ****" was all that came to mind lol.

[DownforceTom]

I don't care if something faster exists. Something faster will always exist.

What matters to me is the feeling you get when you walk up to your car. I don't even have to drive the thing to smile.

Thats how i was thinking...and last night...when i saw it in the lot..... "Oh ****" was all that came to mind lol.

Perfection. I do this every day with my car. Good luck kid.

[SkaSto]

Volco C30's are clean and i like them a lot. But they seem hard to mod.

[rodder]

has anyone mentioned a C5 ZO6? Cars are just plain badass, can be had in great shape for well within your budget, have bulletproof motors and 6-speeds and come only ~50 whp away from your 400 whp goal from the factory. Plus they've got a huge aftermarket and are relatively inexpensive to mod.

If I was considering a RWD daily and didn't mind not having a back seat it would be at the top of my list. IMO they've got way more potential as an all-around street/track machine than a 370z could ever hope for.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2744/4108422236_8e5d10b6bb_z.jpg

[jpalamar]

I liked the 370Z I test drove, but it did leave me with a feeling of wanting more. Also all the electronic 'helpers' took away alot of the driving feel.

[rodder]

oh, and holy **** this thing is ****ing badass. That is all...

http://importsnc.com/forums/national-speed/58673-bobbys-2008-bmw-135i-time-attack-race-car-carbon-fiber-widebody-completed.html

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o12/ZedxElite/Chaos%20Three/100_3199.jpg

[ambitiousCK]

Pretty much set on a 370z now guys...the fact that i can find them with less than 15k miles and within a grand or two of my budget makes the thought of owning a pretty much brand new car very nice.

This wont be a track dedicated car nor will it be built to be the fastest....but its going to be fun :)

[ndubz]

Pretty much set on a 370z now guys...the fact that i can find them with less than 15k miles and within a grand or two of my budget makes the thought of owning a pretty much brand new car very nice.

This wont be a track dedicated car nor will it be built to be the fastest....but its going to be fun :)

good, fun is the main thing. When I drove it i felt it needed an intake and exhaust (so i could hear it), and a better clutch. Then itdve been really good. awesome car though.

Ive always thought a twin snail S/C setup would be amazing on the 370, its like perfectly setup for it

[ambitiousCK]

good, fun is the main thing. When I drove it i felt it needed an intake and exhaust (so i could hear it), and a better clutch. Then itdve been really good. awesome car though.

Ive always thought a twin snail S/C setup would be amazing on the 370, its like perfectly setup for it

Have my mod list made so far lol, its quite small compared to others ive made in the past but i'll be more than satisfied with it. Should be a fun ride to see how it comes together...honestly...i cant wait :lol:

[Khellen]

I want an s2000. :(

[jpalamar]

Pretty much set on a 370z now guys...the fact that i can find them with less than 15k miles and within a grand or two of my budget makes the thought of owning a pretty much brand new car very nice.

This wont be a track dedicated car nor will it be built to be the fastest....but its going to be fun :)

Find a year end deal. Nissan dumps them hard. I was able to find them for $28k all over.

[Fujito]

Make sure you get the mandatory Volk wheels, big brake kit, and coilovers before you join my370z.com otherwise you won't fit in.

[nuTinmuch]

I liked the 370Z I test drove, but it did leave me with a feeling of wanting more. Also all the electronic 'helpers' took away alot of the driving feel.

You said this before. What electronic helpers? It doesn't have any more than any other car out there.

Make sure you get the mandatory Volk wheels, big brake kit, and coilovers before you join my370z.com otherwise you won't fit in.

Stay away from my350, only visit the370z.com if you value your sanity.

Also, go Fast Intentions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WW6xmVRoF8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52VRCGBrqjs&feature=related

You'll be on a waiting list for a few months, but it is worth it. Everyone who has heard my car loves it.

Feel free to PM me if you need any advice/links/whatever. I basically do a years worth a research before buying anything.

[DocWalt]

Geez CK, making me log in to post about the X, haha. The 5 speed is weak how? Yeah, 5th gear is lame, but how often do you drive flat out in 5th? It's a nearly bulletproof tranny, a new set of diff pins and a less cheesy clutch, and you're good to go. In fact, I'd say it's as strong as the STI trans, easily. I wouldn't call the 4B11 a con either, the 4g63 was showing its age, and so far the 4B11 has proven to be just about as strong, stock for stock. Modded, the 4B11 will need sleeves for big power, but can easily make 400+ whp without. Go test drive one at Masano if you want, I test drove a few there.

Ever driven a C30? Such a damn nice car, with a wicked exhaust note. Too bad about it being FWD, if it weren't for that, I'd have seriously considered one.

(I have no idea if anyone posted that stuff before, TST is SUPPERRR slow at work, so I didn't load the rest of the pages :P )

edit: The 370z is nice too, lol

[rodder]

A Z over a vette? Really?

[300zx_tt]

when are you looking to pick one up? My dad knows a ton of good guys in the car business. I'll see if they have any lightly used 370's for ya, if you want pm me and give me some details.

[ambitiousCK]

I want an s2000. :(


Then buy one =)
Find a year end deal. Nissan dumps them hard. I was able to find them for $28k all over.
yea def ive seen them as low as 22k with under 20k miles lol that was a private sale though
Make sure you get the mandatory Volk wheels, big brake kit, and coilovers before you join my370z.com otherwise you won't fit in.
Volks, no, BBK, no, coilovers......of course lol **** if i fit in think i care :lol:
You said this before. What electronic helpers? It doesn't have any more than any other car out there.



Stay away from my350, only visit the370z.com if you value your sanity.

Also, go Fast Intentions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WW6xmVRoF8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52VRCGBrqjs&feature=related

You'll be on a waiting list for a few months, but it is worth it. Everyone who has heard my car loves it.

Feel free to PM me if you need any advice/links/whatever. I basically do a years worth a research before buying anything.
Does sound good...but sounds like the rest lol I'll def be in touch with you if i need any help.
Geez CK, making me log in to post about the X, haha. The 5 speed is weak how? Yeah, 5th gear is lame, but how often do you drive flat out in 5th? It's a nearly bulletproof tranny, a new set of diff pins and a less cheesy clutch, and you're good to go. In fact, I'd say it's as strong as the STI trans, easily. I wouldn't call the 4B11 a con either, the 4g63 was showing its age, and so far the 4B11 has proven to be just about as strong, stock for stock. Modded, the 4B11 will need sleeves for big power, but can easily make 400+ whp without. Go test drive one at Masano if you want, I test drove a few there.

Ever driven a C30? Such a damn nice car, with a wicked exhaust note. Too bad about it being FWD, if it weren't for that, I'd have seriously considered one.

(I have no idea if anyone posted that stuff before, TST is SUPPERRR slow at work, so I didn't load the rest of the pages :P )

edit: The 370z is nice too, lol
All sounds very nice.....still getting the Z lol
A Z over a vette? Really?
If i wanted a V8 with a ****ty interior id buy a cobra lol so yea really.
when are you looking to pick one up? My dad knows a ton of good guys in the car business. I'll see if they have any lightly used 370's for ya, if you want pm me and give me some details.
few months...need to save a few more bucks before i'll seriously start my search. That'd be awesome though and would appreciate that :mrgreen:

[httrdd]

Nice choice on the 370z. Those things turn heads for sure and not many around modded. You should be right where you need to be. Damn car sounds like an exotic!

[mcperson2k]

I like the 370z, IMO the Evo is a lousy "weekend driver".

[nuTinmuch]

A Z over a vette? Really?

A handful of 370 owners are ex-C6 owners.

If you had to deal with 05/06 Corvettes, you'd understand. Basically, you want an 08+ (for a C6) or bust -- and that is going to be over his budget.

A C5 would be nice, but... eeehhhh. I wouldn't want to daily one.

Nice choice on the 370z. Those things turn heads for sure and not many around modded. You should be right where you need to be. Damn car sounds like an exotic!

They are dude magnets. I get guys walking up and asking about the car everywhere -- and it -barely- modded, lol.

[Munky]

If i wanted a V8 with a ****ty interior id buy a cobra lol so yea really.

Or my 240. :rofl:

[Khellen]

Then buy one =)

I would but I've got nowhere to store it. I've already got two cars. :(

[httrdd]

They are dude magnets. I get guys walking up and asking about the car everywhere -- and it -barely- modded, lol.

Lol I could see why. Come on I know that they lift skirts too! :mrgreen:

[rodder]

If you had to deal with 05/06 Corvettes, you'd understand. Basically, you want an 08+ (for a C6) or bust -- and that is going to be over his budget.

A C5 would be nice, but... eeehhhh. I wouldn't want to daily one.

That's exactly what I was suggesting. C5 ZO6. Why he'd chose a cobra over a vette is beyond me. Vettes are just on a totally different level, performance-wise.

Picking a 370 over a C5 ZO6 makes me sad, but whatever. At least it's not FWD.

[rodder]

They are dude magnets. I get guys walking up and asking about the car everywhere -- and it -barely- modded, lol.

LOL here's the clincher. If you're gay, you definitely want the 370Z. :-p :lol:

I'd be willing to bet a vette will pull way more pussy than almost any other car on his list.

[nuTinmuch]

LOL here's the clincher. If you're gay, you definitely want the 370Z. :-p :lol:

I'd be willing to bet a vette will pull way more pussy than almost any other car on his list.

Only if it is 50+! :lol:

Also yeah, I'd choose a Vette over a Cobra. I wouldn't want to DD a Corvette though.

edit: C5 Z06, that is. I honestly don't think I'd want to DD a c6 z06 either, though. Can you imagine the left foot temptation?

...and go Nismo 370 if you really want a dude magnet -- it's slower AND has a bigger mouth, ifyouknowhatimean. :wink:

[httrdd]

There is a Nismo down here at my Nissan dealer. ;)

[BlondeBaby*//G]

Pretty much set on a 370z now guys...the fact that i can find them with less than 15k miles and within a grand or two of my budget makes the thought of owning a pretty much brand new car very nice.

This wont be a track dedicated car nor will it be built to be the fastest....but its going to be fun :)

AGREED :mrgreen:

[ambitiousCK]

Nice choice on the 370z. Those things turn heads for sure and not many around modded. You should be right where you need to be. Damn car sounds like an exotic!

ive seen one in reading...granted its reading but i see far more STi's, Evo's, Corvettes ect. than 370s.

I like the 370z, IMO the Evo is a lousy "weekend driver".

Yea ive come to that conclusion too lol

A handful of 370 owners are ex-C6 owners.

If you had to deal with 05/06 Corvettes, you'd understand. Basically, you want an 08+ (for a C6) or bust -- and that is going to be over his budget.

A C5 would be nice, but... eeehhhh. I wouldn't want to daily one.



They are dude magnets. I get guys walking up and asking about the car everywhere -- and it -barely- modded, lol.

lol had that with my STi
Or my 240. :rofl:
haha you still trying to sell that car?
I would but I've got nowhere to store it. I've already got two cars. :(
come on get an ap1 for like 8k lol
AGREED :mrgreen:

:lol:

[morla]

I'd be willing to bet a vette will pull way more pussy than almost any other car on his list.

that's how I base what kind of cars I get.

but seriously, he has a girlfriend so I don't think he very much cares about that.

good choice of the 370, I always liked them and don't see them enough. With you're taste it'll definitely break some necks

[Munky]

ive seen one in reading...granted its reading but i see far more STi's, Evo's, Corvettes ect. than 370s.


haha you still trying to sell that car?

My buddy Jason bought a red 370z Nismo when they first came out from Eisenhauer Nissan. It's a nice car but so ungodly small inside. And that engine bay...dear god I thought the Srt4 was a tight squeeze.


And I'm not actively selling the car. But for the right price...I'd sell pretty much anything. Except my Kimber UCII.:roll:

[ambitiousCK]

that's how I base what kind of cars I get.

but seriously, he has a girlfriend so I don't think he very much cares about that.

good choice of the 370, I always liked them and don't see them enough. With you're taste it'll definitely break some necks

Def...not sure what direction im gonna go with it, but with the plans i have right now its gonna be stanced lol

My buddy Jason bought a red 370z Nismo when they first came out from Eisenhauer Nissan. It's a nice car but so ungodly small inside. And that engine bay...dear god I thought the Srt4 was a tight squeeze.


And I'm not actively selling the car. But for the right price...I'd sell pretty much anything. Except my Kimber UCII.:roll:

yea, i just have to remember that a test drive is in order. Im about 6'3 so hopefully its no problem.

[Munky]

Well for reference I'm 6'1" and my knees were hitting the steering wheel and I couldn't put the seat back any further.

[ambitiousCK]

Well for reference I'm 6'1" and my knees were hitting the steering wheel and I couldn't put the seat back any further.

Well we'll see. I also will have the low max Bride seats to put in which lower the seating position by quite a bit.

[Munky]

For me it wasn't about sitting too high...it was sitting too damn close to the wheel/pedals. But good luck and hopefully it fits you better. Oh and I might be getting a more permanent job at the college so I'll be keeping an eye out for you. Tickets in hand :rofl:

[ambitiousCK]

did a quick search on the 370z forum and people my size report that they have no problems fitting in the 370, seems that 6'4 is the cutoff, i think i'll be fine.


I do not own yet (waiting for one to come in), but I am 6'3-4" and did not have any problems. It took me a few minutes to get the seat in a good solid position I felt comfortable in, but once there it was solid. The viewing space is different when I test drove, but not something that really bad, just different.

whats going on man...im 6'2" and 205 athletic build....this is my first 2 door sports car and was and fitment is no issue...i actually dont even have the seat all the way back..and the seat can recline even more...headroom is not an issue and i for one have no issues with blindspots or the mirrors or windshields...i love this car and the interior is amazing...i reccomend test driving one bc everyones opinion is different but from one big guy to another i have no issues

I'm 6'2'' and I don't have any problem with headroom. Just watch your head getting in and out of the car.

Hi, I'm 6'3" and skinny, but with an athletic build (shoulders). I have a short lower body and long legs. After putting the seat all the way back, I am just fine. But if you have wide shoulders, you might have an issue with the backrests, as they are pretty narrow. Even for a skinny guy like me, they took some getting used to.

Just my $.02.

6,2 215lb noo problems AT all

6ft.2 here and plenty of room.

6 foot 2 here, 225 pounds. pure asian. not that it matters. what matters is that I fit and its really comfortable.

6' 3" 225 lbs here...I'm all legs so I did have to get used to the high clutch! But no problems now. My seat moves around a bit though...that's kind of annoying!

ha ha ha shorties. :)
I'm 6'5" and mostly legs. I think I fit better in the 370s I've test driven than my 350. The blind spots take a couple hundred miles to get used to in the 350Z. I'm still looking for my 370 but I bet they will take as long or longer to get accustomed to.

6'4 200lbs, no problems.... I fit better in the Z than I do in the Camaro :tup:

[ambitiousCK]

For me it wasn't about sitting too high...it was sitting too damn close to the wheel/pedals. But good luck and hopefully it fits you better. Oh and I might be getting a more permanent job at the college so I'll be keeping an eye out for you. Tickets in hand :rofl:

lol well when you see a white 370z you'll know where to put the ticket :lol:

[mitsuboost30]

Ck I almost bought a 370 when I got rid of the evo... was very close... you will be happy.

[Sberk06]

just go for that gtr.

[ambitiousCK]

Ck I almost bought a 370 when I got rid of the evo... was very close... you will be happy.

Thanks Chuck...think you can still do the headliner? lmao

just go for that gtr.

That is mine......?


i ****ing wish lmao

[92accordex]

Idk if this was said, Im not going to read 3 pages lol. get 335xi. Awd and you like it

[ambitiousCK]

Idk if this was said, Im not going to read 3 pages lol. get 335xi. Awd and you like it

lol 335xi was not mentioned, im sure i'd like any of the cars i mentioned.....but its the one that i could love that steals the show :lol:

[cookiemonster17]

i like to squint my eyes real small from a distance and pretend my car is a 350z...always wanted one especially a 370 but dunno how i would do with such limited trunk space and only a 2 seater...heard they are not the best winter rides either...either way i would def get a 370 in the bright blue they have or white

[ambitiousCK]

i like to squint my eyes real small from a distance and pretend my car is a 350z...always wanted one especially a 370 but dunno how i would do with such limited trunk space and only a 2 seater...heard they are not the best winter rides either...either way i would def get a 370 in the bright blue they have or white

lol in the almost 6 years ive been driving ive had more than 2 people in my cars (Alero, Mazda 6i, STi, Acura TL) only a handful of times...can be counted on 2 hands lol. Also the 370z wont be a daily...the idea of a small two seater to go out cruising in with the exhaust of the VQ37 in the background going through the 6 speed and the feel of the car is something that i look forward to greatly...**** trunk space(tech a hatch) lol

[92accordex]

lol 335xi was not mentioned, im sure i'd like any of the cars i mentioned.....but its the one that i could love that steals the show :lol:

Yeah i know, but the 335 was mentioned..and the con was rwd. So why not eliminate that. Look for a 335xi then you eliminate a con and gain a pro :)

[ambitiousCK]

i like to squint my eyes real small from a distance and pretend my car is a 350z...always wanted one especially a 370 but dunno how i would do with such limited trunk space and only a 2 seater...heard they are not the best winter rides either...either way i would def get a 370 in the bright blue they have or white

Yeah i know, but the 335 was mentioned..and the con was rwd. So why not eliminate that. Look for a 335xi then you eliminate a con and gain a pro :)

Well RWD isnt so much a con anymore...i was thinking with the STi in my mind lol. I do understand where your coming from though....but 370z ftw at this point. Thanks though

[SpEcRv9]

Yeah i know, but the 335 was mentioned..and the con was rwd. So why not eliminate that. Look for a 335xi then you eliminate a con and gain a pro :)

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w130/patruck9/tPLrR.gif?t=1299648112

[renn]

i would wait and see with the new toyota/subaru coupe coming out. i don't personally like the gen coupe..but it sounds like you would be into it so i'd take a deeper look at that too.


if it's not a daily what's wrong with buying a clean older car and putting the rest into making it clean and fast, the way you want it? 25k will go a long way, especially if you're looking at cars that have already been modded.

[nuTinmuch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9fj2USikhI&feature=player_embedded

Just going to leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lluWFYTnjj0&feature=relmfu

(this too)

[SpEcRv9]

i would wait and see with the new toyota/subaru coupe coming out. i don't personally like the gen coupe..but it sounds like you would be into it so i'd take a deeper look at that too.


I'm not normally one to push my own car on someone...but I'll chime in if someone else mentions it :lol:

you can get a 3.8 genesis coupe r-spec for around your price range.....comes with the brembos track suspension LSD all that good stuff the track model comes with for the most part....it's just not 31k...it's about $4.5k less than that.

but you seem pretty set on the 370 so I won't fanboy it up in here.

[renn]

^ i think you have the right idea with the 2.0t r spec. i wouldn't get the 3.8.

[renn]

you can also get a c5 z06 for that price. way sicker than a 370z.

[ambitiousCK]

true but i heard no so nice things about the manuals in the G's....but yea prety set on the 370

[SpEcRv9]

^ i think you have the right idea with the 2.0t r spec. i wouldn't get the 3.8.

lol, he seems to fantasize about the v6 exhaust note so I just threw in the v6 genesis.

we all have secret 6cylinder obsessions :lol:

I wish my genesis had a v6...


































































































a toyota v6 with two turbos.http://www.sotsyndicate.com/images/smilies/paranoid.gif


....make that one turbo. :devil:

[cookiemonster17]

370z's would be so much sexy if they came in a t-top version

[jspek]

why isnt a con rwd for the 370 and g?

if rwd is a con for you stay away from s2000s. you'll die.

[zmainiac]

You buy a z for yourself, not anyone else. They are a great car to drive and enjoy. TTing one would be sweet. I have seen a couple Tt'd 350s and they really moved.

[cookiemonster17]

don't do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibG7N-CGa3U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PlYlLaxV38&feature=related

[jspek]

ive personally seen that car. its worse in person.

[ndubz]

Ok if u want good sounds then u gotta go to the right country for it. Japan aint bad, but this one shares its birthplace with Luciano Pavarotti. In this automotive game u gotta go big, and if u want speed style and sound with some class thrown in, then Steve, u want a Maserati.

http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_33/car_photo_16895_25.jpg

Just one example of many in ur range:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=289689412&dealer_id=65106889&car_year=2003&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2012&showZipError=y&pager.offset=25&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&body_code=0&first_record=26&distance=0&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&address=08540&rdm=1299653337904&marketZipError=false&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=30000&awsp=false&make=MAS&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=694&standard=false


I had the privilage of driving one of these this past summer and let me tell u, its awesome :supz:

First of u have that baller ass feeling because ur driving a MASERATI. Then u turn it on and that Ferrari V8 (thats right bitches) comes to life and it is just O so EPIC. Sounds so amazing. Its a nice sporting GT car so it handles well, and is comfortable and well finished. And then u get on it and boy does it move. Its around the same as ur Sti was down low, with alot more up top, and it takes it in stride cuz its a ****ing supercar lol. 400bhp, 180mph, and the style and sexiness of having a Maserati. It really is an epic car.

I mean, the 370Z is a fantastic car bro, but well, this is kind of in a different league all together. ANd its already making more power to the wheels than the 370 will without boost, so u break even there. And just look at that picture of it in an epic drift......now picture urself in the drivers seat.....and all the bitches in the stands would be SOOOOOOO WET and just throw themselves at u all the time. It would be quite the lifestyle. lol

Heres the question though, are u willing to BO$$ up and do the right thing here? :cool: ..........cuz u should lol

[nuTinmuch]

ugh, I don't care where it is from

that thing is ugly

and it will explode, and leak oil, and all the electronics will literally electrocute you

and guidos will like you

edit 200000: besides, if we are making ridiculous suggestions, http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=55406450&listingRecNum=0&criteria=sf1Dir%3DASC%26mkId%3D20069%26stkTyp%3DU% 26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId%26zc%3D08075%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26alMkId%3D20069%26rpp%3D50%26fe edSegId%3D28705&aff=national

[ndubz]

ugh, I don't care where it is from

that thing is ugly

and it will explode, and leak oil, and all the electronics will literally electrocute you

and guidos will like you

edit 200000: besides, if we are making ridiculous suggestions, http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=55406450&listingRecNum=0&criteria=sf1Dir%3DASC%26mkId%3D20069%26stkTyp%3DU% 26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId%26zc%3D08075%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26alMkId%3D20069%26rpp%3D50%26fe edSegId%3D28705&aff=national

U must be blind. Maseratis are gorgeous

Not if u take good care of it.

No, guidos will worship u cuz ur who they pretend to be.

And thats not a real lamborghini, not even close......nice try though.

Its not that rediculous of an idea, its a newer car with modern technology, and they can be had with decent milage. They just didnt hold their value like ferraris do, thats why theyre 25k now. And its not his DD, so why not go a little crazy with it?......thats what cars are all about brah. And I see at least 10 370Zs for every one of these beauts I see.

Dont get all but hurt just cuz a ****ing Maserati is better than ur beloved Z. Its just a suggestion lol

[ambitiousCK]

Ok if u want good sounds then u gotta go to the right country for it. Japan aint bad, but this one shares its birthplace with Luciano Pavarotti. In this automotive game u gotta go big, and if u want speed style and sound with some class thrown in, then Steve, u want a Maserati.

http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_33/car_photo_16895_25.jpg

Just one example of many in ur range:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=289689412&dealer_id=65106889&car_year=2003&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2012&showZipError=y&pager.offset=25&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&body_code=0&first_record=26&distance=0&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&address=08540&rdm=1299653337904&marketZipError=false&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=30000&awsp=false&make=MAS&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=694&standard=false


I had the privilage of driving one of these this past summer and let me tell u, its awesome :supz:

First of u have that baller ass feeling because ur driving a MASERATI. Then u turn it on and that Ferrari V8 (thats right bitches) comes to life and it is just O so EPIC. Sounds so amazing. Its a nice sporting GT car so it handles well, and is comfortable and well finished. And then u get on it and boy does it move. Its around the same as ur Sti was down low, with alot more up top, and it takes it in stride cuz its a ****ing supercar lol. 400bhp, 180mph, and the style and sexiness of having a Maserati. It really is an epic car.

I mean, the 370Z is a fantastic car bro, but well, this is kind of in a different league all together. ANd its already making more power to the wheels than the 370 will without boost, so u break even there. And just look at that picture of it in an epic drift......now picture urself in the drivers seat.....and all the bitches in the stands would be SOOOOOOO WET and just throw themselves at u all the time. It would be quite the lifestyle. lol

Heres the question though, are u willing to BO$$ up and do the right thing here? :cool: ..........cuz u should lol

Damn man you always find **** like this lol. It'd be interesting but i couldnt even imagine the insurance and maintenance for it lol. Like the Lotus, not for me.


I was suprised at what i could find in my price range, 911's, C6 Vettes, ect...but once again there not something id want. Thanks guys but its 370z ftw.

[ndubz]

Damn man you always find **** like this lol. It'd be interesting but i couldnt even imagine the insurance and maintenance for it lol. Like the Lotus, not for me.


I was suprised at what i could find in my price range, 911's, C6 Vettes, ect...but once again there not something id want. Thanks guys but its 370z ftw.

Just wanted u to know u had the option lol

[Kiro]

Congrats on the decision. :)

Post pics when you pick one up!

[rodder]

you can also get a c5 z06 for that price. way sicker than a 370z.

lol yeah see I told you. :-p

[nuTinmuch]

U must be blind. Maseratis are gorgeous

Not if u take good care of it.

No, guidos will worship u cuz ur who they pretend to be.

And thats not a real lamborghini, not even close......nice try though.

Its not that rediculous of an idea, its a newer car with modern technology, and they can be had with decent milage. They just didnt hold their value like ferraris do, thats why theyre 25k now. And its not his DD, so why not go a little crazy with it?......thats what cars are all about brah. And I see at least 10 370Zs for every one of these beauts I see.

Dont get all but hurt just cuz a ****ing Maserati is better than ur beloved Z. Its just a suggestion lol

It looks like a Volvo from the back, and a plain ol' sedan from the front. The badge on the front doesn't give it some miraculous beauty. It's boring, especially when you consider what their designers are capable of.

Don't you think there is a reason why it didn't hold its value?

As a performer, it doesn't shine compared to a modern day performance car. Sorry. The only reason to buy it is to say "hey, look at my ~Maserati~" which is like buying a car to say "hey, look how I'm a ~douche~" -- especially when said car is used, heavily depreciated, and just not very impressive.

Dont get all but hurt just cuz a ****ing Maserati is better than ur beloved Z. Its just a suggestion lol

Who said anything about my Z? I think it's pretty obvious by my posts that I accept the faults of my car and admit it isn't even second best in many categories.

I just don't think the car you linked is a good choice! Sorry to rain on your parade!

[ambitiousCK]

Congrats on the decision. :)

Post pics when you pick one up!

Oh there will be journal, dont worry =)

lol yeah see I told you. :-p

i never had a thing for the C5 vettes...just not my thing.

[300zx_tt]

few months...need to save a few more bucks before i'll seriously start my search. That'd be awesome though and would appreciate that :mrgreen:

word, pm me when you are ready man id be glad to help you out if i can

[NeweraCapMAN]

Get a skyline :)

Or 04 terminator... Dont get a fwd car

[DaveSTi]

Shoulda gone with the Maserati. Nothing says fun like servicing an Italian car.

[ambitiousCK]

Shoulda gone with the Maserati. Nothing says fun like servicing an Italian car.

yea I'll prolly be kicking myself later when I can't get any pussy...hope the gf doesn't read that lmao.

[tcturbo91]

looks like you made up your decision, but on the 335i, you could get an Xi which gives you the awd. also i would say the aftermarket for them is pretty big, and is growing. the prices for modifications are in line with almost everything you are looking at, other than maybe the evo. 400whp is pretty easily attainable in a 335, and not for that much $. just a few things to consider. 370's are sweet if thats what you go with, i just feel many of your other choices are better for a "project" with modifying and such.

[mitsuboost30]

Thanks Chuck...think you can still do the headliner? lmao



That is mine......?


i ****ing wish lmao

LMAO....

Im sure it wont be a problem.

[DaveSTi]

looks like you made up your decision, but on the 335i, you could get an Xi which gives you the awd. also i would say the aftermarket for them is pretty big, and is growing. the prices for modifications are in line with almost everything you are looking at, other than maybe the evo. 400whp is pretty easily attainable in a 335, and not for that much $. just a few things to consider. 370's are sweet if thats what you go with, i just feel many of your other choices are better for a "project" with modifying and such.

Agreed.

If you want a project car, the 370z isn't the first or best choice. If you're happy with some wheels, coils and light exhaust work...you'll be good to go.

[ambitiousCK]

Agreed.

If you want a project car, the 370z isn't the first or best choice. If you're happy with some wheels, coils and light exhaust work...you'll be good to go.

There are plenty of "easier" builds you could do....but tell me this. Would you rather see another 500hp Evo (you there there are tons) or a 500rwhp twin turbo 370z? I know which one i would be more interested in seeing....i also know what i'd be more interested in doing :mrgreen:

[DaveSTi]

There are plenty of "easier" builds you could do....but tell me this. Would you rather see another 500hp Evo (you there there are tons) or a 500rwhp twin turbo 370z? I know which one i would be more interested in seeing....i also know what i'd be more interested in doing :mrgreen:

I think the cost to the twin turbo is going to make you gulp a bit once you really get into it.

I'm not impressed by big power builds. Making a lot of horsepower is one of the easiest things you can do to a car.

[ambitiousCK]

I think the cost to the twin turbo is going to make you gulp a bit once you really get into it.

I'm not impressed by big power builds. Making a lot of horsepower is one of the easiest things you can do to a car.

I won't have a problem with it, its not in the near future of the plans. And I'm not obsessed with power, if I was I would buy a Cobra. I'll be more than happy with bolt ons and be able to go out and enjoy the car with the addicting exhaust note in the backround. When I get "bored" I'll look into the TT set up...

[05GT]

Termi/Mustangs have an insane aftermarket and are really cheap to mod(why I just bought an 05 GT). Termis have IRS so they actually drive decent. You aren't going to pull STi/Evo turns but you won't regreting it either. They can also fit huge rear tires very easy. I'm planning on 275s and thats small. I see people at 305s all the time with a 10" wide wheel. Find a convertable and that will add to the fun(just get sub frame connectors). The sound of a termi whine with a nice exhaust is near the top of my list for best sounds ever.

Hell, you could just buy a 03/04 GT for $11k and fully mod it and be complete for probally arround $25k.

I see this topic is already pretty much done, since the OP made his decision, but if OP wants, come get a ride in my 04 Cobra and see if you don't want one lol.

Termi has an IRS rear, 4V heads, supercharger, 6 speed... there is probally more with suspension/brakes but that gives you the gist of things.

Not enough for me to justify paying $15k when I can go aftermarket and get better/higher HP parts for about the same.

Yes suspension, T-56 trans, motor, there are significant differences.

I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say you can go aftermarket and get better/higher hp for the same. If you are talking about parts for an 05 GT or even any GT prior to the 2011's vs parts for the terminators, you are sadly mistaken. The old 2 valve GT motors and the newer 3 valve motors will not make even close to the kind of power that a terminator makes with bolt ons. Trust me I know. I've owned both, and have heavily modded both. Just my $0.02.

[itwillboost]

I think the cost to the twin turbo is going to make you gulp a bit once you really get into it.

I'm not impressed by big power builds. Making a lot of horsepower is one of the easiest things you can do to a car.

Building nissan's is actually extremely reasonable. I agree evo's are awesome but the right z has potiental to be epic.

[DaveSTi]

Building nissan's is actually extremely reasonable. I agree evo's are awesome but the right z has potiental to be epic.

I'm not saying that just about a Z or a Nissan. I never found a high hp car that interesting across any make or model. Just not into it.

[ambitiousCK]

I'm not saying that just about a Z or a Nissan. I never found a high hp car that interesting across any make or model. Just not into it.

I'm kinda the same way since i like twisties more than straight lines, but i do like me some power lol. Notice how i said 500 and 800 lol.

I'll def be coming to your for some suspension help when the time comes, im looking at the KW V3s and they look like they would get the job done, either that or BC's.... :mrgreen:


(Im really just kidding about the BC's dont rip my head off lol)

[Schepis]

I see this topic is already pretty much done, since the OP made his decision, but if OP wants, come get a ride in my 04 Cobra and see if you don't want one lol.


I understand you like Mustangs, and that's all fine, well, and good. My buddy has a 600HP 5.0, and my other buddy has a 500HP Cobra. I've had a ride and driven the Cobra several times. And honestly, they DON'T impress me. They are fast for sure, but the interior is bland, and they just don't feel like a driver's car.

And for the OP, it all depends on what your looking at. If you want a DAILY DRIVEN car that's good in all weather conditions, consider the STI/EVO. They are both excellent cars, are fast out of the box, handle well, and aren't ridiculously expensive to mod if you choose to do so. If you don't drive it every day, and wouldn't mind something RWD -- go for a 370Z. I've driven one personally, and it was a blast. I'm biased to a 20+ year old 300ZX (I've owned 7), but that is the closest in terms of feeling like it "wraps around you" that I've gotten in a car. The interior is beautiful, it handles great, and makes good numbers stock as well. Add an exhaust, drop it, and add some nice lightweight wheels and your set. Good luck with your endeavor.

[sean3]

If you want something fast out of the box, just buy a C5 Z06.

[DaveSTi]

I'm kinda the same way since i like twisties more than straight lines, but i do like me some power lol. Notice how i said 500 and 800 lol.

I'll def be coming to your for some suspension help when the time comes, im looking at the KW V3s and they look like they would get the job done, either that or BC's.... :mrgreen:


(Im really just kidding about the BC's dont rip my head off lol)

Get Ohlins.

[ambitiousCK]

Get Ohlins.

Benefits for a street driven car over V3's? I'm assuming there 3k + so is there really a thousand dollar difference for a car that won't be tracked or daily driven? Simply aging that's all...

[05GT]

I understand you like Mustangs, and that's all fine, well, and good. My buddy has a 600HP 5.0, and my other buddy has a 500HP Cobra. I've had a ride and driven the Cobra several times. And honestly, they DON'T impress me. They are fast for sure, but the interior is bland, and they just don't feel like a driver's car.



Ok, thats cool. Not sure why your post sounds like you're trying to be a dick, but sure. I'm NOT impressed with 300zx either, whats your point? I was simply stating the OP could come have a ride if he wanted to see 1st hand the Cobra. It was more or less a joke. But at least he could see for himself. But I'm not going to give my opinion on cars that I might not be familiar with or cars that weren't on the list. I also own an SRT8 Jeep, but I didn't say anything about that. I'd like to know what exactly is a "drivers" car to you.

Personally, I wouldn't have chosen a 370Z. I've had the pleasure of driving one, and also almost bought a 350Z back in the day, and they just weren't for me.

Interior definitely isn't the greatest, but then again, there are a lot of cars who's interior isn't that great. Not to mention, you are talking a what, 6 year or newer car (370z) interior versus a 2003/04 interior.

Have you seen the interiors of 99-02 WS6? They aren't the best either. What about similair year Vettes? They are better, but still not that great. If you want to rip on interior, at least compare on a little more even of a scale.

The interior sucks for the most part compared to todays standards, but 7 years ago it really wasn't too different from a lot of other cars in that price range/category. I'd rather have a mechanically rock solid platform to build on, then a pretty interior.

[nuTinmuch]

Get Ohlins.

Yeah, not sure if this is a great idea for his price range. KW V3s are a great street/track coilover, and the best thing you can buy for the 370 under 2k. In fact, if you shop around you can pick up a set for 1700 or so.

Cheapest I see Ohlins for is 3.3k -- a pretty big jump. I'm not sure you'd notice the difference(s) unless you were driving on the very edge.

BC ER (not BRs) are also used by quite a few guys who appear to be pretty picky, although I have done 0 research on them. They might be worth looking into.

Also, for funsies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCkKkpGHqI&feature=player_embedded

[ambitiousCK]

Sadly the program im going into is m-f 7-4 for 20 weeks...so im taking a leave from work and wont be able to save like i was because i wont be working...so this pushes things back. BUT if i can get a job from the program im going into we might just be talking about another nissan....

Like my avatar.

[nuTinmuch]

If that is the case, you should buy one... and then we can trade. :D

[ambitiousCK]

If that is the case, you should buy one... and then we can trade. :D

lmao :mrgreen:

[nuTinmuch]

Have you seen this thread?

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induction/20809-gtm-performance-engineering-vq45vhr-our-journey-1000-hp-beyond.html

[ambitiousCK]

Have you seen this thread?

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induction/20809-gtm-performance-engineering-vq45vhr-our-journey-1000-hp-beyond.html

lol i have now geez thats nuts.

[R22B]

The sound that the VQ engine makes is euphoric. I dare say I like it more than the Subaru rumble. I could never own a 350/370 because I would always be in it listening to the exhaust.

EDIT:

I must say, the VQ sounds like Chewbacca jacked up on speed and coke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-nZeX6uOdE

[nuTinmuch]

The sound that the VQ engine makes is euphoric. I dare say I like it more than the Subaru rumble. I could never own a 350/370 because I would always be in it listening to the exhaust.

EDIT:

I must say, the VQ sounds like Chewbacca jacked up on speed and coke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-nZeX6uOdE

Yeah, I love it. It has such a distinct sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTKzrzUfhU8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy-Oa-kJThI&feature=player_embedded

[DaveSTi]

Benefits for a street driven car over V3's? I'm assuming there 3k + so is there really a thousand dollar difference for a car that won't be tracked or daily driven? Simply aging that's all...

Yes..

[DaveSTi]

Yeah, not sure if this is a great idea for his price range. KW V3s are a great street/track coilover, and the best thing you can buy for the 370 under 2k. In fact, if you shop around you can pick up a set for 1700 or so.

Cheapest I see Ohlins for is 3.3k -- a pretty big jump. I'm not sure you'd notice the difference(s) unless you were driving on the very edge.

BC ER (not BRs) are also used by quite a few guys who appear to be pretty picky, although I have done 0 research on them. They might be worth looking into.

Also, for funsies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCkKkpGHqI&feature=player_embedded
The guy bought Bride seats for a Subaru, I'm not worried about a 1k difference in price.

BC's don't even belong printed on the same page.

[ambitiousCK]

Its now a long way off which makes this thread redundant, if all goes as planned maybe i'll be buying something in the next price range bracket lol thanks everyone

[Chris B.]

The sound that the VQ engine makes is euphoric. I dare say I like it more than the Subaru rumble. I could never own a 350/370 because I would always be in it listening to the exhaust.


I always thought the VQ engines, especially in the 350Z soound like the cow in the See and Say childrens toys. "MOOOOOOOOOO"