meditation on the speed limit

[sisforsurfing]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475&q=speed

I'm not even going to post an opinion, but I thought the bridge view at the end was crazy.

55 mph
:roll:

[HatchSurfer3]

haha thats awesome

[99SL2_Modder]

It's so true. Some speed limits are just retarded.

[05Accent]

haha thats awesome..

[Raven18940]

That was amazing, kudos to those guys.

[Twin_Cam]

I absolutely love it. That video is amazing. We should do something like that with I-95. "There's a bunch of assholes in really loud Subarus and Mitsubishis and Neons going so slow on 95!" :banana:

[2Mopars1Ford]

A. that was a pointless demonstration.
B. they were lucky they didn't get shot.
C. If they did get shot and I was on the jury the shooters would walk.

[Raven18940]

I absolutely love it. That video is amazing. We should do something like that with I-95. "There's a bunch of assholes in really loud Subarus and Mitsubishis and Neons going so slow on 95!" :banana:
I'm in...........as a camera man.

[WRXD]

A. that was a pointless demonstration.
B. they were lucky they didn't get shot.
C. If they did get shot and I was on the jury the shooters would walk.

why, because they followed the speed limit? I think you missed the point...

oh..wait..you drive a ford

nevermind

[97TurboDSM]

A. that was a pointless demonstration.
B. they were lucky they didn't get shot.
C. If they did get shot and I was on the jury the shooters would walk.

uhh?

EDIT: damn you beat me to it lol

[cburwell]

The left lane is for passing!

[WRXD]

The left lane is for passing!

you are not allowed to break the speed limit to pass someone. So, if they are going 55, it would be considered illegal to pass them. The left lane is for passing if the person in the right lane is going under the speed limit.

That was the point of the whole thing.

[R33P3R007]

that was stupid. way to f up the rest of those people's days.

[WRXD]

I disagree. The people F-ed up their own day because they didnt plan their driving time to reflect the posted speed limit.

The bottom line is, you can't get mad at someone for following the speed limit. This was a form of protest. They werent trying to be jerks, they were protesting the rediculous speed limits in that area by staging a non-violent demonstration.

[2Mopars1Ford]

So if a person having a heart attack died in an ambulance on the way to the hospital because they had traffic backed up for miles it's the ambulances fault?
If someones house had burned down because fire trucks were blocked in by there stupid traffic prank it's the fire fighters fault?
If someone got shot during a robbery because the cops couldn't make it some where fast enough because of there stupid stunt it's the cops fault?
I have had to drive someone with a mild stroke, and someone who had cuaght there hand in a fan belt to the hospital in my own personal vehicle on seperate occasions.
I did not have the benifit of having lights nor siren.
Just because a person isn't in a marked vehicle DOES NOT MEAN THEY DON"T HAVE A LEGITIMATE RIGHT TO SPEED.
What they did is just plain stupid.
It's a fact that people respond differently under pressure, some people panic, some people get stupid.
Just like the van that clipped the car on the side of the road, if someone had been out of their car jacking it up to change a tire and was ran over and killed because they wanted to prove a 55 limit is stupid would it have been worth it then?
Hey I have an idea, if they all drive slow to prove slow speed limits are stupid, lets get like 20 cars to do 120+mph bazzai runs down the turnpike to prove it can be done safely!

[cburwell]

you are not allowed to break the speed limit to pass someone. So, if they are going 55, it would be considered illegal to pass them. The left lane is for passing if the person in the right lane is going under the speed limit.

That was the point of the whole thing.

I see the point.

I say these people need to get a second (or maybe first) jobe, because they seem to have too much time on their hands!

[05Accent]

So if a person having a heart attack died in an ambulance on the way to the hospital because they had traffic backed up for miles it's the ambulances fault?
If someones house had burned down because fire trucks were blocked in by there stupid traffic prank it's the fire fighters fault?
If someone got shot during a robbery because the cops couldn't make it some where fast enough because of there stupid stunt it's the cops fault?
I have had to drive someone with a mild stroke, and someone who had cuaght there hand in a fan belt to the hospital in my own personal vehicle on seperate occasions.
I did not have the benifit of having lights nor siren.
Just because a person isn't in a marked vehicle DOES NOT MEAN THEY DON"T HAVE A LEGITIMATE RIGHT TO SPEED.
What they did is just plain stupid.
It's a fact that people respond differently under pressure, some people panic, some people get stupid.
Just like the van that clipped the car on the side of the road, if someone had been out of their car jacking it up to change a tire and was ran over and killed because they wanted to prove a 55 limit is stupid would it have been worth it then?
Hey I have an idea, if they all drive slow to prove slow speed limits are stupid, lets get like 20 cars to do 120+mph bazzai runs down the turnpike to prove it can be done safely!


Well im sure that if those people did see any emergency vehicle with there lights and sirens then they would have moved out of the way.

[Driven]

Just like the van that clipped the car on the side of the road, if someone had been out of their car jacking it up to change a tire and was ran over and killed because they wanted to prove a 55 limit is stupid would it have been worth it then?

That would have been 100% the van drivers fault. The 4 drivers were doing nothing illegal. The van was not only speeding, but also driving on the shoulder. He was breaking the law on two accounts.

[2Mopars1Ford]

That would have been 100% the van drivers fault. The 4 drivers were doing nothing illegal. The van was not only speeding, but also driving on the shoulder. He was breaking the law on two accounts.

There's a differance between legally and morally.

[2Mopars1Ford]

Well im sure that if those people did see any emergency vehicle with there lights and sirens then they would have moved out of the way.

Did you see how far they had traffic backed up?
As little as a mile away they wouldn't have a clue that people needed to get through, wouldn't have heard lights or siren.
Just a bunch of idiots in 5 or six cars with no concern what so ever for other people.
One of the points on the video paraphrased.
"If everyone is going 75 MPH and your going 80 you get nailled for a ticket for like 25 over when your only going 5 mph more then everyone else."

Okay genius, lets say you move the speed limit to 75 mph.
Speed is like a fast car, once youve had it awhile you get used to it and its not fast anymore so now when people getr adjusted they are driving 95 MPH the people driving 100mph are getting the tickets for 25mph over when they are only doing 5 mph more then everyone else.
Where do you draw the line?

Do people even consider that the reason alot of the interstate/big road speed limits are low is that there are a ton of cars out there that.
1. Have trouble going 80mph+
2. Merging traffic for slower cars onto a road with higher speed limits (therefore faster actual traffic) would be much more dangerous.
3. There are alot of non performance cars out there that have crappy brakes, bad susspensions, don't handle well.

I am all for much faster speed limits, but it means being 10x more hard on inspections.
Making sure cars are capable of doing them safely.
Getting all the deathtraps off the road.
And re-educating people about cars.
I had a guy come in with a chunk of sidewall missing out of his tire.
He wanted to fill it with black RTV.
That was a safe repair to him, and people like him drive next to you in traffic every day and you don't even know it.

[hystericfox]

Speeding morally. That's a new concept.

[2Mopars1Ford]

you are not allowed to break the speed limit to pass someone. So, if they are going 55, it would be considered illegal to pass them. The left lane is for passing if the person in the right lane is going under the speed limit.

That was the point of the whole thing.


Depends on the state.

Washington 46.61.100(2) May also use left lane to allow traffic to merge or "when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow".

Virginia 46.2-804(1) 46.2-842.1 requires vehicles in the left lane to yield to faster traffic

Utah 41-6-53(2), 41-6-55(2) Must move right to let faster traffic pass.

Texas 545.051(b) DOT may post "left lane for passing only", 544.011. Passing on right prohibited except on one-way roadways, 545.057.


South Dakota 32-26-1 "Slow moving vehicles" keep right

South Carolina 56-5-1810(b) Bill 860 would reserve the left lane for passing.
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Pennsylvania 75-3313(d), 75-3301(b) May also use left lane to allow traffic to merge or "when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow".
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Ohio 4511.25 Left lane for passing only on Turnpike, regulation 5537-2-09.


North Carolina <SL 20-146(b),(e) Keep right if below speed limit.


Nevada 484.373 Move right if "imped[ing] ... movement of traffic"

Missouri 304.015(3) 304.151 prohibits "obstruct[ing] the regular flow of traffic on...any state highway"

Louisiana R.S. 32:71 Must move right if blocking overtaking traffic.

Georgia 40-6-40(b), 40-6-184(a)(2) If below speed limit in left lane and blocking overtaking traffic, must move right.


Arkansas 27-51-301(b) Law prohibits obstructing traffic by driving continuously in the left lane.

[2Mopars1Ford]

Speeding morally. That's a new concept.

Don't worry.
If your house is ever on fire.
If you ever have a heart attack or get in a car accident.
If you pregnant wife needs transfered from one hospital to another due to complications.
If your kid is ever run over by a car, I will make sure the police, firemen and EMTS don't go 1 mph over the speed limit to help you.

[Driven]

Depends on the state.

Washington 46.61.100(2) May also use left lane to allow traffic to merge or "when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow".

Virginia 46.2-804(1) 46.2-842.1 requires vehicles in the left lane to yield to faster traffic

Utah 41-6-53(2), 41-6-55(2) Must move right to let faster traffic pass.

Texas 545.051(b) DOT may post "left lane for passing only", 544.011. Passing on right prohibited except on one-way roadways, 545.057.


South Dakota 32-26-1 "Slow moving vehicles" keep right

South Carolina 56-5-1810(b) Bill 860 would reserve the left lane for passing.
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************************************************** **************
Pennsylvania 75-3313(d), 75-3301(b) May also use left lane to allow traffic to merge or "when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow".
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Ohio 4511.25 Left lane for passing only on Turnpike, regulation 5537-2-09.


North Carolina <SL 20-146(b),(e) Keep right if below speed limit.


Nevada 484.373 Move right if "imped[ing] ... movement of traffic"

Missouri 304.015(3) 304.151 prohibits "obstruct[ing] the regular flow of traffic on...any state highway"

Louisiana R.S. 32:71 Must move right if blocking overtaking traffic.

Georgia 40-6-40(b), 40-6-184(a)(2) If below speed limit in left lane and blocking overtaking traffic, must move right.


Arkansas 27-51-301(b) Law prohibits obstructing traffic by driving continuously in the left lane.

None of those laws say that you are allowed to exceed the speed limit.

[pearl]

We did this on the parkway once, did 35 all the way down to LBI. Almost got killed.

About the arguement, I really don't know if those speeding laws apply to emergency vehicles. I'm not 100% though.

[Raven18940]

Just because the speed limit is higher you don't have to go it. I used to own a truck that, no joke here, topped out at 78. So if you set an 80 mph speed limit, I wouldn't be doing it. I'd just keep to myself in the inside lane with my foot to floor if that happened. What difference does it make if people are driving at these speeds already. It's not the speed limits fault if your car isn't up to the task

[Raven18940]

None of those laws say that you are allowed to exceed the speed limit.
Yeah, you're convenently leaving out the part that says thou shall not exceed the posted speed limit.

[WhiteXFire]

Look, the point of the video was to show that driving at the posted speed limit is not what the majority of people do on the highway. It is a very valid point. However, it isn't something that people don't already know. If you specifically ask most law enforcement officers whether you should obey the posted speed limit or drive several mph faster in traffic if you are going to impede the traffic flow, they will tell you to do the latter. This does not mean they are endorsing speeding. The whole idea behind a speed limit is to reduce the added risk of driving faster, making it safer for everyone. While even I don't agree with this entirely, it is certainly a valid argument. In short, the whole idea is to keep the roads safe.

That being said, you can't use the argument "everyone drives at 75mph and I got a ticket for going 80mph" as an excuse for anything. The reason you will be told to not impede the flow of traffic, even if they're going slightly above the limit, is that doing so creates more risk than the speed. In the same way, even if everyone else is speeding, you travelling faster through the traffic also creates more risk for everyone on the road. This is why a car travelling in the left lane even a few more mph than traffic will be singled out, rather than someone in a group of 20 cars travelling at a steady pace together. You do have to realize though that they may still pull a car over for travelling with the flow if it is substantially higher than the limit, such as 70-75mph in a 55mph limit.

Finally, I totally disagree with this argument about emergency vehicles being impeded by what they did. The reason emergency vehicles have lights and sirens is to alert other vehicles that they are there and to get out of the way. Having a pack of cars driving together at 55mph on the highway does not impede this ability at all. They didn't cause a 2 mile dead stop on the highway, just a flow slightly slower than normal, or a "rush hour" type of situation with dense traffic. If an ambulance or police car had been trying to get through, people would have moved over or pulled to the shoulder to let the emergency vehicle through (or not, as a lot of inconsiderate people already do on the highway, which would be their fault, not the people driving up front).

[sisforsurfing]

Eesh. All I have to say is that if there were emergency vehicles, you have to get out of the way. That's all, what they did was totally completely legal. It might have instigated dangerous behavior, but they did nothing wrong at all.

I just thought it was funny and somewhat interesting.

[WhiteXFire]

Eesh. All I have to say is that if there were emergency vehicles, you have to get out of the way. That's all, what they did was totally completely legal. It might have instigated dangerous behavior, but they did nothing wrong at all.
Definitely, except that depending on the local laws, the person in the left lane could definitely get a ticket for impeding the traffic flow, but only the left lane.

[2Mopars1Ford]

None of those laws say that you are allowed to exceed the speed limit.


They wern't meant to.
They were meant to point out that legally in some states vehicles going slower then the flow of traffic MUST MOVE RIGHT and yield to faster moving cars pass.
Flow of traffic is more important then speed limit.


Just because the speed limit is higher you don't have to go it. I used to own a truck that, no joke here, topped out at 78. So if you set an 80 mph speed limit, I wouldn't be doing it. I'd just keep to myself in the inside lane with my foot to floor if that happened. What difference does it make if people are driving at these speeds already. It's not the speed limits fault if your car isn't up to the task


This is exactly my point.
If the speed limit were 80.
And you were going below the speed limit, even in the right lane people people would try to pass.
The more people you have changing lanes dodging slower traffic the higher the risk of someone getting hurt.
It's all about statistics.
If you could get every pre 1995 (I'm useing 95 because air bags were mandnatory by then) vehicle off the road the speed limits could be raised but deaths would still be down becasue of better crash standards.
The speed limits are set so the majority of cars can travel it safely.
Like I said before get the deathtraps off the road, like the little 3 cyl econo box geos that can't merge into the bicycle lane without a tail wind.
If you can increase the percentage of cars that can do higher speeds safely you will increase the speed limit.
But this won't happen and the government knows that while everyone has the right and need to travel not everyone has the $ to be able to afford newer, safer cars and makes the speed limits a compromise so the majority can travel safely.

[BlackBulletTSi]

Wow that was awesome and proved a point. Just like everyone else said soon as an emergency car was to come up with some lights on BAM everyone would move if not there an asshole. Oh and saying keeping the flow of traffic is more important then the speed limit is rediculous. I mean can you be serious with that? Say everyday people just decide to go a little faster pretty soon flow of traffic is 90MPH and one car blows a tire or something and causes some huge crash that has never happened. I agree speed limits should be raised to about 65 thats it. Its like that in Jersey and though Jersey drivers I think can't drive for anything on the street seem to actually know what there doing on the freeways.

[C'DALERIDER]

ummm, all i can say is if they were in front of me, stoping me from diving the way i want to, my usual 65mph with conditions permitting, and causing me some frustration........ :drag: :help: :bump: i would have kicked some serious a
a$$!!

[OptiCon]

The irrate drivers in the vid were not using their heads. Pass on the shoulder, move over a few lanes, and gradually slow down to 35mph. This will slow one lane and one of the lead cars. Traffic in the other lanes will have a gap lane between the lead cars.

C'mon guys, if you are going to do something as crazy as pass on the shoulder make it worth while.

[sur4die]

non-violent protest that i can really get behind...

[BlackBulletTSi]

Agreed!

[R33P3R007]

***.. those people should be taken out back and put down. no need to ruin everyones elses driving because you don't like the speed limit

[WRXD]

wow, I can't beleive how many people feel that they have a right to speed if they want to. After all that, people are still bitching because their protest 'ruined someones day'?

There are plently of worse things that could happen to ruin your day other than being forced to DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT.

"Hello, 911? You have to get out here right away! These cars are blocking all 4 lanes of traffic...and they are only going 55!!! Im going to be late for work because I usually drive 90 on this road!"

[hystericfox]

Don't worry.
If your house is ever on fire.
If you ever have a heart attack or get in a car accident.
If you pregnant wife needs transfered from one hospital to another due to complications.
If your kid is ever run over by a car, I will make sure the police, firemen and EMTS don't go 1 mph over the speed limit to help you.

Can I get that in writing? I'm going to hold you to that, it'd be great.

What are you getting so pissed off about? It isn't like they were hugging your trees doing this.

[012.5RS]

Wow that was awesome and proved a point. Just like everyone else said soon as an emergency car was to come up with some lights on BAM everyone would move if not there an asshole.QUOTE]
[QUOTE=pearl]About the arguement, I really don't know if those speeding
laws apply to emergency vehicles. I'm not 100% though.

you are VERY wrong saying everyone would move I'm an EMT/Firefighter and these assholes on the road do not move.

hey hysteric, whats your address, if i know any of the emt's up there ill let them know so they dont exceed the speed limit.

In PA speed limits do not apply to firetrucks since they are larger and easier to see, they do still apply to ambulances and police cars.

long story short, in the past 6 months I've had 2 patients die due to people on the road not moving while responding to scene and transporting to the ER. Some people think they can even out run us and as long as they are in front of us its ok. I've had police who were following us ticket people for impeding an emergency vehicle. Which is a $1,000 fine in PA, with possible jail time. Just think if it was your family member and the ambulance was stuck behind these wastes of oxygen.

[C'DALERIDER]

protest ...

This is NOT a protest. Go to harrisburg if you want to protest the speed limit. Call youre congressman...etc. That was not the correct way to go about a protest! Get real, these idiots suck balls all day long and have nothing else to do with their time. I will agree, 55mph is usaly fine for me, it is the dickheads going slower in the left lane next to a truck and no where to pass. :finga:

[TurboTagTeam]

I can't believe the responces to this. Their point was to establish that NOONE DOES THE SPEED LIMIT. Honestly no one can say that everytime they drive they stay under the speed limit. NO ONE!!!

I can see were blocking the passing lane would cause a problem. Allthough it still would of had the same affect on traffic if they werent blocking the left lane.

[hystericfox]

hey hysteric, whats your address, if i know any of the emt's up there ill let them know so they dont exceed the speed limit.

You could always look under my avitar.

I never had a problem with emergency vehicles, you would have to be legally retarded to miss them coming up your ass at near escape velocity. It isn't that hard to get out of their way, either.

TurboTagTeam, I rarely ever see people actually obeying the speed limit. In Kutztown I never go the legal speed limit (35) on the main street, I max out at 30 because of idiots who don't look when they open their car doors, don't look when they cross the street, and stoplights. I never go 55 on I78 either, since cruising speed is closer to 75.

I never realized that being a smartass could piss off so many people. I should do this more often.