Mazdaspeed 6 or Altima SE-R

[O2SpecV]

Which one would you guys perfer and why?

[06SS/SC ALL DAY]

LS1 because it is the best

[bl@ckvr4]

MazdaSpeed 6 definitely. AWD and Turbo.

[ÐGK]

mazdaspeed awd dude

[OutToWinPAHC]

Ehhh, I dunno why just the two choices? Is this for a daily?

[itwillboost]

What are you getting a new car for ? They are both good cars if you say why your looking at them though that will help.

[tree-fiddy]

I would say altima se-r because I am a fan of Nissan, but it's hard to find an altima se-r that doesn't have a lot of miles or has been beat on. You may have better luck finding a better taken care of ms6.

[imjdoggie]

Whew.....I'm sure the mazdaspeed would be a lot more fun to drive but the cost of maintenance is high and the 1 friend that has on there always seems to be something wrong with his. I am a Nissan fan as well if you could find a SE-R in good shape I'd go that route personally. This is a tough question because we also don't know if you have plans to mod soooooooo if you plan on modding the Mazda is the better route obviously. I don't know man I could go on and on if you have money to burn buy the Mazda!!!!

[O2SpecV]

this is for a daily and yes i do plan on modding. I was looking at stats and what not of the two cars and they seem pretty equal, i really like them both but cant decide on which one to chose. I am have about a 14k limit on price of the car, so suggestions on other cars that are on the same level are welcome.

[Bates]

Do some research. The AWD system in the MS6 isn't a good one, and the MS6 transmission is prone to problems and failures. If you want a massive headache get the MS6. If you want something more reliable but slightly less fun, the Altima SE-R is a great choice. The VQ35DE is a great platform, the car looks great, and it is pretty easy to mod. The problem with those are they are hard to find in a 6-Speed and it is hard to find one that hasn't been beat on. But then again, anyone who has owned a MS6 most likely beat on that too. I personally would stay away from the MS6 and go for a MS3, that car is just a blast to drive.

[O2SpecV]

i drove an ms3 and it just didnt feel that great, it felt "flimsy" especially compared to the s dece

[O2SpecV]

i guess i could just also scrap those ideas and go for a legacy gt

[willits8]

I would definitely say the speed6, maybe just because Im a mazda fan but its also AWD and I think a little bit faster (could be wrong) but my friend has a speed 6 and loves it.

[Ej6Mike]

i guess i could just also scrap those ideas and go for a legacy gt

I second this notion. :mrgreen:



Every make / model has its ups and downs.

The MS6 would be fun and fast to drive, but like it was said before, mazda doesnt exactly make the best AWD system and the cost of maintaining it would be greater over time vs the Nissan. The nissan wouldnt be quite as fun as the mazda but it would prob be more reliable, and that 3.5liter v6 would not disaapoint you, so dont think that by turning down the mazda your not getting a car with some balls.

Im not trying to sound biased towards any cars, nor am i saying ditch both and go for a subaru. Being that i drive one, i would naturally take the L-GT no prob, but subarus have their share of issues too, ask any 02-07 WRX owner who has added significant power to their drivetrain without upgrading the trans (excluding 4eat). The 5-speed transmissions arent a fan and will go boom. Also, pertaining to me, i came across the infamous N/A headgasket leak issue that was infectious of all early model subarus. I just got done paying out a d*ck-ton of money to have them replaced (got a few other stuff done too) because the job requires motor removal.



If your looking to save cash along the road as far as maintenance (and headaches) go, Id say the Altima is your best bet.

[tree-fiddy]

i guess i could just also scrap those ideas and go for a legacy gt

definitely another good choice to look into

[itwillboost]

If you can find a low mileage one I do like the legacy's alot, if not the se-r is one of my favorite cars of the last 10 years. Really quality cars, but they were never realized to sell on a large scale so unfortunately there rep isn't very built up, but the people that know them love them.

[Bates]

i drove an ms3 and it just didnt feel that great, it felt "flimsy" especially compared to the s dece

Not sure what a "s dece" so I will just pretend you are referring too your AP1. And a MS3 felt flimsy compared to an AP1? FWD turbo and RWD N/A. Yea they are going to drive completely different. Do you think my boosted Spec-V and N/A Z31 feel anything alike? One goes fast and torque steers into everything, and the other, well it just drives and leaks oil lol.

Don't compare a MS3 to a AP1, that is your problem. If you drive the MS3 for what it is, a well built FWD boosted car, I think you will enjoy it more. I happen to love the MS3's and I have no idea what you mean by Flimsy. I have driven a MR-S with K-Sports and that thing handled like a dream, an MS3 with stock suspension couldn't compare to it but I would not call it flimsy compared to the MR-S.

I don't know much about Suby's so I can't put stock in them, but I have been around friends who were working on one, and they are not fun to work on at all. Maybe it is just me but to change the spark plugs on an Outback was the most ridiculous task ever. No adult hand could fit in the narrow area to change them without hassle and headache lol.

I say give the MS3 another chance, or get a Protoge5 and boost it. Those things are some of the best handling FWD cars.

[ndubz]

MS3, its turbo and thus makes more power off of basic mods

[itwillboost]

MS3, its turbo and thus makes more power off of basic mods

I can and have beaten ms3's in my altima therefore they are full of fail. I like them but to talk about them having power is misleading.

[Godofelru]

???

It's not misleading at all. Mod for mod the ms3 will make more power because it's turbocharged....If the person driving the ms3 doesn't know to short shift they will run dramatically slower times, but even those slower times would be competitive against a vq altima.

I like the ms6 and they're not as bad as people are making them out to be; if you plan on heavily modding it and driving it hard though you will see what they're talking about. It's dependent on what your personal goals are. The altima se-r is a also a great choice in a 6 speed. (P.s. if you get one sell me your wheels cash in hand :)).

The legacy gt & the ms3 are also great choices.

Also an ms3 isn't flimsy at all. It's an extremely well built car that drives very nicely. Like someone else mentioned comparing an s2k to an ms3 isn't even remotely fair as they're completely different in every single aspect.

[jnr5005]

[QUOTE=itwillboost;1906006]I can and have beaten ms3's in my altima therefore they are full of fail.QUOTE]

Bahahahaha yea in your 2000 altima i'm sure you did

[kcnizm0]

If it were me, i would get the 6. Awd and turbo. My buddy had a stage two on his and never had any problems.

[ndubz]

I can and have beaten ms3's in my altima therefore they are full of fail. I like them but to talk about them having power is misleading.

Never said u couldnt bud. I could beat an MS3 in a Prius if I spent enough money on it. But its just a simple fact that turbo cars make more power with basic mods, reason being is that u can simply turn up the boost.

My friend had a 350Z and spent like 5k or so modding it as much as he could without opening the motor of boosting it, He made 272whp.....the highest RT tuning had seen from a Z with such mods at the time, but that was all he could get without more serious and expensive mods.

He now has an Evo X and can make 280whp just off of a chip alone and not physical modification......such a chip costs 600 bucks at most, and keep in mind were talking AWD hp here. And once he does all the basic intake and exhaust mods and gets tuned he will see 350-375awhp.

U just cant argue that turbo cars are not better for making power if all u want to do is basic mods.......which is most people out there even withing the "tuner" community.

[itwillboost]

[QUOTE=itwillboost;1906006]I can and have beaten ms3's in my altima therefore they are full of fail.QUOTE]

Bahahahaha yea in your 2000 altima i'm sure you did

If you ever want to run at the track I would be happy to go. Just remember you have no clue what's under my hood so when you look foolish don't get mad.

[itwillboost]

Never said u couldnt bud. I could beat an MS3 in a Prius if I spent enough money on it. But its just a simple fact that turbo cars make more power with basic mods, reason being is that u can simply turn up the boost.

My friend had a 350Z and spent like 5k or so modding it as much as he could without opening the motor of boosting it, He made 272whp.....the highest RT tuning had seen from a Z with such mods at the time, but that was all he could get without more serious and expensive mods.

He now has an Evo X and can make 280whp just off of a chip alone and not physical modification......such a chip costs 600 bucks at most, and keep in mind were talking AWD hp here. And once he does all the basic intake and exhaust mods and gets tuned he will see 350-375awhp.

U just cant argue that turbo cars are not better for making power if all u want to do is basic mods.......which is most people out there even withing the "tuner" community.

What I meant is that for the increase in whp I havent been has impressed by the ms3 has some other cars. No doubt with a turbo car you have more potential for better numbers, but for that 3 grand he can throw a turbo setup on the vq if he wants serious power. I just feel like certain turbo cars don't compare as well to others. I like the ms3 they are good cars, don't get me wrong I love my friends and I have even been to a couple of their meets. If he gets it I don't think he will be disappointed I was just saying my opinion.

[jpalamar]

I would go with the Speed6 over the SE-R. FWD just isn't all that great for a 'fun' car.

[mx931]

I can and have beaten ms3's in my altima therefore they are full of fail. I like them but to talk about them having power is misleading.

unless your altima is nuts or something that is a lie.....like im about to put this quote in my signiture.

ms3s are great ****in cars idc what anyone says. I drove tons of cars before i got this and i love it....and its easy to make good power on them idk what you are saying. yea it will boost your right

[accordguy04]

MS6 Def! Turbo AWD FTW! I don't know why they never put the AWD system into the MS3, that would be KICK ASS!

[itwillboost]

unless your altima is nuts or something that is a lie.....like im about to put this quote in my signiture.

ms3s are great ****in cars idc what anyone says. I drove tons of cars before i got this and i love it....and its easy to make good power on them idk what you are saying. yea it will boost your right

Come to the track, than you will see. How ever wants to race just pm me I will be happy to go, to the op you should pm the other person how was just looking at basically the same cars. Btw I do happen to have 20 grand into engine/turbo work, I never said a stock altima could do that.

[ndubz]

Come to the track, than you will see. How ever wants to race just pm me I will be happy to go, to the op you should pm the other person how was just looking at basically the same cars. Btw I do happen to have 20 grand into engine/turbo work, I never said a stock altima could do that.

Then ur one of the few that actually does major mods. Meaning its irrelevant what car u buy to begin with because ur just gonna throw a ****load of money in it anyway

[itwillboost]

Then ur one of the few that actually does major mods. Meaning its irrelevant what car u buy to begin with because ur just gonna throw a ****load of money in it anyway

You are correct but my argument wasn't meant to be about my car. My point was meant to be about choosing a car with a solid platform. Nissan makes only a select amount of engines and transmissions and they use them in many cars for many years because they are built quality from factory. How many other companies can use their engine in a truck, sedan, and sports car. Some car companies and build an amazing car, but you want to look at the company's record as opposed to just one model. The platform you get affects your products livelyhood, the performance, and the ease of replacement if need be, all important factors on a used car.

[ScarletSaturn]

Legacy GT. Still has great potential, and there's probably a better chance of finding one that hasn't been trashed to within an inch of its life.

[Bates]

MS6 Def! Turbo AWD FTW! I don't know why they never put the AWD system into the MS3, that would be KICK ASS!

Because Mazda's AWD system sucks. I hope they never ruin the MS3 with AWD.

[white96464v]

Come to the track, than you will see. How ever wants to race just pm me I will be happy to go, to the op you should pm the other person how was just looking at basically the same cars. Btw I do happen to have 20 grand into engine/turbo work, I never said a stock altima could do that.

Sorry dude, but 20k? Unless you lined the engine bay in gold, i'll go ahead and call bull****, or a real waste of money.

[300zx_tt]

Come to the track, than you will see. How ever wants to race just pm me I will be happy to go, to the op you should pm the other person how was just looking at basically the same cars. Btw I do happen to have 20 grand into engine/turbo work, I never said a stock altima could do that.

Post pics of your 20,000 dollar engine bay in your altima, I'd love to see it and im sure every one here would want to as well. In for pics of your bay.

[JSpecV03]

2000 altimas are ka24de's.....ive seen k series honda engines fully built with boost for half that if less, that make more power than any ka24de could ever see

[JSpecV03]

what are track times for both cars stock...ive seen the regular altima with the vq with intake hit 13's with a good driver...whats the speed6's stock e/t?

[300zx_tt]

1/4 Mile ET: 13.043
1/4 Mile MPH: 103.510
1/8 Mile ET: 8.301
1/8 Mile MPH: 82.860
0-60 Foot ET: 1.783

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-6-Timeslip-16050.html

[white96464v]

Post pics of your 20,000 dollar engine bay in your altima, I'd love to see it and im sure every one here would want to as well. In for pics of your bay.

x2 lol


quoted from ka-t (I hope the car has come a long way since this for 20k)

itwillboost--
Before the end of spring I am looking to have like 260 270 whp and hopefully adding a turbo before fall. The problem is that i have the stock auto trans and was wondering if i can upgrade so it doesn't blow. I can put in a manual for around 3k to 4 k but i dont want to spend that much and I don't know enough to do my own work with that. I guy by me said he can make it a 3 speed but its a daily driver not a race car. If anyone knows any way i could keep it auto that would be great and i knowsome people are going to say to check the threads, i have.


*EDIT
ummm.... maybe not. this is August 2010
http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/338055-ka-engine-build-transmission-swap.html

Is this really the car?
http://s852.photobucket.com/albums/ab86/soccerkid19/?action=view&current=032.mp4
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab86/soccerkid19/164635_10150117122630030_734450029_8150677_5788876 _n.jpg
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab86/soccerkid19/IMG00105-20100419-1909-1.jpg

[mx931]

Come to the track, than you will see. How ever wants to race just pm me I will be happy to go, to the op you should pm the other person how was just looking at basically the same cars. Btw I do happen to have 20 grand into engine/turbo work, I never said a stock altima could do that.

well let me waste 20k on my car and well see who wins too....or can i just bring one of our other cars......id rather not list them on here lol but you can inbox me if your anxious :wink:\

i mean your comparing your old ass altima with engine work to stock cars....like sweet if your altima is boosted or whatever who cares these are stock cars dude. bet that car doesnt even get you b1tches either

[willits8]

20k? not to hate or anything but If I had an altima (which isnt a bad car) I would definitely have spent that 20k buying another car thats faster stock like a used speed3 or 6 then have a couple grand to spend on mods

[white96464v]

20k? not to hate or anything but If I had an altima (which isnt a bad car) I would definitely have spent that 20k buying another car thats faster stock like a used speed3 or 6 then have a couple grand to spend on mods

pretty sure that he just decided to hide $100 bills in the engine bay...

[itwillboost]

x2 lol


quoted from ka-t (I hope the car has come a long way since this for 20k)

itwillboost--
Before the end of spring I am looking to have like 260 270 whp and hopefully adding a turbo before fall. The problem is that i have the stock auto trans and was wondering if i can upgrade so it doesn't blow. I can put in a manual for around 3k to 4 k but i dont want to spend that much and I don't know enough to do my own work with that. I guy by me said he can make it a 3 speed but its a daily driver not a race car. If anyone knows any way i could keep it auto that would be great and i knowsome people are going to say to check the threads, i have.


*EDIT
ummm.... maybe not. this is August 2010
http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/338055-ka-engine-build-transmission-swap.html

Is this really the car?
http://s852.photobucket.com/albums/ab86/soccerkid19/?action=view&current=032.mp4
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab86/soccerkid19/164635_10150117122630030_734450029_8150677_5788876 _n.jpg
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab86/soccerkid19/IMG00105-20100419-1909-1.jpg

That was me in the first pic, that's the day after I finished building and dropping in the engine that is not my real hood or bumper. The second picture is actually my friends. That post is also by me but I have came a long way since that time. I am running a fully built block, with a custom turbo setup, and am using a haltech e6x. About half my parts are custom which is what upped the price has well has using the top parts. I both have nothing to hide and nothing to proof to anyone on here about my car, but you will see it at street wars and at other meets come spring/summer. I am trying to respect this op's thread so like I said anyone who does want to run I will gladly go to the track.
The reality is I have spent the last 3 years on this car and I love it so it was worth the money to me. Btw the 20k was on building the car, not just the engine.

[itwillboost]

well let me waste 20k on my car and well see who wins too....or can i just bring one of our other cars......id rather not list them on here lol but you can inbox me if your anxious :wink:\

i mean your comparing your old ass altima with engine work to stock cars....like sweet if your altima is boosted or whatever who cares these are stock cars dude. bet that car doesnt even get you b1tches either

First I don't need a car to get me girls, thats said if you do. And second read this and you will read why I posted what I did in the first place.

You are correct but my argument wasn't meant to be about my car. My point was meant to be about choosing a car with a solid platform. Nissan makes only a select amount of engines and transmissions and they use them in many cars for many years because they are built quality from factory. How many other companies can use their engine in a truck, sedan, and sports car. Some car companies and build an amazing car, but you want to look at the company's record as opposed to just one model. The platform you get affects your products livelyhood, the performance, and the ease of replacement if need be, all important factors on a used car.

[white96464v]

Come to the track, than you will see. How ever wants to race just pm me I will be happy to go, to the op you should pm the other person how was just looking at basically the same cars. Btw I do happen to have 20 grand into engine/turbo work, I never said a stock altima could do that.

Orly?

That was me in the first pic, that's the day after I finished building and dropping in the engine that is not my real hood or bumper. The second picture is actually my friends. That post is also by me but I have came a long way since that time. I am running a fully built block, with a custom turbo setup, and am using a haltech e6x. About half my parts are custom which is what upped the price has well has using the top parts. I both have nothing to hide and nothing to proof to anyone on here about my car, but you will see it at street wars and at other meets come spring/summer. I am trying to respect this op's thread so like I said anyone who does want to run I will gladly go to the track.
The reality is I have spent the last 3 years on this car and I love it so it was worth the money to me. Btw the 20k was on building the car, not just the engine.

[itwillboost]

I included the suspension and other stuff like the 5 speed swap I did so the turbo would be able to handle the hp. Has you have stated I have done the 5 speed swap etc., I did put the 20k part incorrectly though than. Has you stated in the post from kat.org I had to do the swap for the turbo so I have included that in the cost.

[white96464v]

I included the suspension and other stuff like the 5 speed swap I did so the turbo would be able to handle the hp. Has you have stated I have done the 5 speed swap etc., I did put the 20k part incorrectly though than. Has you stated in the post from kat.org I had to do the swap for the turbo so I have included that in the cost.

Well, whats the breakdown on your car? What all is done to it?

[itwillboost]

Since clearly it's going to be here, I have painted the whole car s2000 black with blue flakes and had the underbody redone. I am riding on tokico blues with aerospeed springs, I have aftermarket front and rear sway bars, liquid ink a-arm brace, maxima control arms, and it is getting a rear disc swap once the snow stops. For the engine I have a fully built block, Arias pistons, AMS sportman racing rods, Calico bearings, bored 20 over decked and honed, arp head studs, cosmetic hg, custom crank lightweight and polished, magnafluxed, cleaned with everything balanced. Built head with new valves, guides, cleaned, checked for cracks and warpage, 5 angle valve job, ported, and polished. The turbo setup is a custom turbo manifold with a Garrett AiResearch t3/4 turbo, tial 44m ex. wastegate, custom 3in downpipe, custom intercooler piping, spearco intercooler, and obx catback. Nismo fpr, custom intake manifold with 3 inch runners and ls7 throttlebody, and walboro 255lhp fuel pump. That's the majority of it.

[Godofelru]

Hey man,

Instead of being such an e-warrior, just post a vid of your car at the track. End of story? No need to call people out at the track that no one will probably show up to.

It's cool that you modded an altima and whatnot, but you clearly tried comparing a heavily modded altima against a stock ms3? Stock for stock a vq vs a speed 3 the speed will win (assuming the driver knows the powerband). A vq altima won't be in the 13's on the stock tires with no mods. A speed 3 can. A speed 6 can do it too with those beautiful sub 2.0 60's. The extra weight barely holds it back.

[TR MS3]

Willboost, why not just post a time and move on? I don't care if you have 30k under the hood, I could care less if your car sh!ts rainbows. The op is looking at stock or relatively stock cars. You've made it clear that your not impressed with the MS3 or MZR horsepower / powerband. I would recommend the MS6 mainly because it's awd + turbo, it's relatively easy to wake up these motors. My only real gripe is the shifter feel, it quickly goes away but upon first drive I was not impressed with the shifter.

[blkmz3]

people must have money to blow. u spent 20k for building a 2000 altima? :eek: