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rocknrace03

01-25-2011, 09:25 PM

so today i was sitting in school, finished with my midterm, bored out of my mind waiting for the bell to ring. i started pondering just what i would love to build if i had money to start a new project. now i love subaru's but i cant afford an sti, and im a big fan of 240's with an sr20 swap but its kind of a "already been done a million times" kind of thing. so i was thinking, how cool would it be if you swapped an ej207 in. now i have nowhere near the funds for a ej swap let alone the complications that swap would bring. id imagine you would pretty much need to swap in the sti's wire harness from head light to tail light for it to work which would need a donor car and the 240 would have to be heavily mod-ed for it to mount correctly (would it even fit in the engine bay?) regardless of the whether or not its possible ( since anythings possible if you have deep enough pockets.) but what would you think if you heard the subie rumble and looked over as a 240 went drifting by? if its been done before i stand corrected. anybody's thoughts on the idea?

Subie_sleeper

01-25-2011, 09:27 PM

evomike

01-25-2011, 09:27 PM

There is no reason to swap it with a less reliable motor.

Reese

01-25-2011, 09:29 PM

lmao...i mean it just wouldnt be a good idea. Frankly i would smh asking my self why? but hey whatever we all have an imagination

Reese

01-25-2011, 09:33 PM

There is no reason to swap it with a less reliable motor.

:thumbup:..............

smelly240

01-25-2011, 09:34 PM

1. Its not great

2. Y the chassis harness - ej207 isn't a can bus jawny

3. Standalone

4. Costs more than whoa

5. Wide as nuts for a s chassis bay

6.the "subie rumble" is from the unequal exhaust manifold lengths... its not a good thing.

Hi mike... hi colombian on our couch... you stooopeeed

xarchiex

01-25-2011, 09:40 PM

ya there was a dicussion about this before.there is really no way to fit a ej inbetween the schassis frame rails so its would have to be all custom fab.probably a tube framed front end.

rocknrace03

01-25-2011, 09:43 PM

yeah i understand it would be pretty much a waste of funds, but i think itd be cool to see done, it would just be different, new and a good example of anything is possible. but then again i certainly dont have the 10k + it would cost till you were done with every last bit

rocknrace03

01-25-2011, 09:46 PM

I'd LOVE to see that done.

hey subie sleeper, do you know jason lovendeer, he's the quiet nice Jamaican co-op student that works a becker, just thought id ask, he's a good buddy of mine

OutToWinPAHC

01-25-2011, 10:05 PM

I have measured this.... no it wont clear the frame rails

OverBoostedEvo

01-25-2011, 10:44 PM

now and sti with an evo engine and entire drivetrain would be sumtin...

OutToWinPAHC

01-25-2011, 10:49 PM

RB25 26 30 DET in a GC8..... SEX

MX5

01-25-2011, 10:57 PM

Reminds me of the Civaru

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2763036

psymos

01-25-2011, 11:16 PM

now and sti with an evo engine and entire drivetrain would be sumtin...

booo

so we will go from a bad motor to a good motor, but from a good trans to a bad trans :wink:

RSX Type-Slow

01-25-2011, 11:22 PM

anything is possible if your wallet is deep enough. but i'td be a total waste

supraghost

01-25-2011, 11:41 PM

why anyone would want a boxer motor in their car is beyond me

willits8

01-25-2011, 11:57 PM

I think itd be awesome and Id love to see it but if it were me for all the time and money Id just put in like the biggest v8 i could or whatever i could get thats putting out the most power

JSpecV03

01-26-2011, 12:11 AM

as far as 240 swaps go.....v8 > everything else.

Supraru

01-26-2011, 12:23 AM

RB25 26 30 DET in a GC8..... SEX

Already done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOn8CXpWSBQ

There was a drift team that had it too but it's late and my 2 second search didn't turn up what I was looking for. lol

Bdub215

01-26-2011, 03:04 AM

as far as 240 swaps go.....v8 > everything else.

I disagree strongly.

supraghost

01-26-2011, 09:19 AM

I disagree strongly.

and i agree with you :mrgreen:

420sx

01-26-2011, 09:54 AM

Didnt Subaru and Toyota already make this car and call it the FT-86?

accordguy04

01-26-2011, 11:06 AM

If you can dream it... you can do it!

11secdsm

01-26-2011, 11:22 AM

booo

so we will go from a bad motor to a good motor, but from a good trans to a bad trans :wink:

:bigeek: You think the STI has a better trans than an Evo? :screwy:

smelly240

01-26-2011, 11:27 AM

wow... close thread.

ndubz

01-26-2011, 12:09 PM

There is no reason to swap it with a less reliable motor.

U know what MIKE. Ur a clever guy :finga:

OP. Anything is possible if u use ur Imaaaaaaaaaaaaaagination

http://geekadelphia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/imagination_land_balloon.jpg

OutToWinPAHC

01-26-2011, 12:48 PM

Certainly anything is possible, but when the motor wont clear the frame rails, and you have to cut the front of the car off, relocate the frame rails out further, bring the front steering and suspension out 3/4 inchs on each side it makes it hard.... unless your going for this look here...

Then by all means go for it, but even the above average car enthusiast probably wouldn't.

As for the RB GC8.... I did the wiring on one back in 2006

92accordex

01-26-2011, 12:54 PM

Reminds me of the Civaru

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2763036

Ever see the civette? I lost the link, but it was a hatch completely torn apart and remodded for an ls1? I think it was. everything was from a vette besides the chassis, It was rediculous

OutToWinPAHC

01-26-2011, 01:41 PM

The civette was a shortened and modified C5 chassis, with the civic body on top as well.

There was also an H22A powered 240sx from France
http://www.preludepower.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307066

And a CA18DET powered s13 with a Morris Minor body swap
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=219069

Supraru

01-26-2011, 01:52 PM

I disagree strongly.

Why? Ls motors are a way better option. Simple bolt ons and you've got great hp and tq. It's lighter and has a far greater aftermarket. No brainer to me.

JB'sLGT

01-26-2011, 01:57 PM

If you can dream it, you can build it

http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss98/Project_Stiletto/CelaruDone06.jpg

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/there-and-never-another-subaru-like-120251.html

Honest_Bob

01-26-2011, 02:06 PM

Id rather have an SR20. :-p

jpalamar

01-26-2011, 02:25 PM

This is retarded. Someone should swap a Honda motor into a Ferrari. Thats a waste of money and time too.

psymos

01-26-2011, 06:16 PM

:bigeek: You think the STI has a better trans than an Evo? :screwy:

if you google (yes i know you cant base how good a transmission is off of google searches, but makes you wonder doesnt it?)

sti transmission problems - (about) 219,000 results

evo transmission problems - (about) 34,800,000 results

stock for stock i would put my $$ on the sti trans holding more power/lasting longer than the evo's trans. the motor..... completely different story lol

Supraru

01-26-2011, 07:47 PM

:bigeek: You think the STI has a better trans than an Evo? :screwy:

The sti trans is a pretty damn strong and well built trans. Far better then the Evo 6 speed. I'd be pretty confident in saying it's better then the 5 speed too but hey different strokes for different folks.

evomike

01-26-2011, 07:55 PM

I know 9 second evos on stock drivetrain parts.

bl@ckvr4

01-26-2011, 08:21 PM

IBT inevitable Evo vs STi debate.

OutToWinPAHC

01-26-2011, 08:29 PM

Kinda on topic... might max trans and 4g63.... just saying. I dont think I have seen one in a 240 yet
http://www.projectzerog.com/archives/ZeroGversion2/transmissions.shtml

evomike

01-26-2011, 08:31 PM

If your gonna go for different do something like this
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/287161-my-s13-4-build-bring-hate.html

Maxxdsix

01-26-2011, 08:35 PM

Just put in a gtr motor/drivetrain so it would be awd, which im amusing your goal would be?

OutToWinPAHC

01-26-2011, 08:51 PM

id hope not, super hard to pull off..... only 3 converts I have seen

smelly240

01-26-2011, 09:04 PM

Kinda on topic... might max trans and 4g63.... just saying. I dont think I have seen one in a 240 yet
http://www.projectzerog.com/archives/ZeroGversion2/transmissions.shtml

been done... so has the h22 and f20c, f22 and k seires

Reese

01-26-2011, 09:15 PM

been done... so has the h22

:thumbup:

them crazy ass french people....i believe i saw the video of 2 hatchs with that engine in it years ago..

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1290/200sxs13h22bvs2000010nq1.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6206/200sxs13h22bvs2000012rp4.jpg

VIDEO:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5sdzz_drift-team-belzebuth-dub200-korneus_auto

supraghost

01-26-2011, 10:06 PM

Ever see the civette? I lost the link, but it was a hatch completely torn apart and remodded for an ls1? I think it was. everything was from a vette besides the chassis, It was rediculous

this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfR_Ztug9N0&feature=related

i love how they blame their lack of ability to control oversteer due to the short wheelbase... lol

OutToWinPAHC

01-26-2011, 10:43 PM

Reese I posted the h22 link earlier (hard build, merged bells, dist relocated to the other side aka front), and yea there are a few of f2Xc swaps (kinda cool as well), but where is a K series swap? I thought that motor spins the opposite way of the S2K trans so I am curious to see how they did this.

Do you know who did a 4G63 as well, I'd like to see that

GOULET

01-26-2011, 11:00 PM

The back of a hatchback has a decent amount of room. How bout mounting it there?

itwillboost

01-26-2011, 11:07 PM

I remember seeing the 4g63 on zilvia awhile back.

Reese

01-26-2011, 11:24 PM

(kinda cool as well),

Do you know who did a 4G63 as well, I'd like to see that

Not cool...gives me headaches

nah i dont know where the 4g63 one is i never really bothered to look my boy showed my the pic before...ehhhh

jspek

01-26-2011, 11:35 PM

id rock a f20 in a coupe. and ej...no thank you.

Supraru

01-27-2011, 07:08 AM

this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfR_Ztug9N0&feature=related

i love how they blame their lack of ability to control oversteer due to the short wheelbase... lol

Im sure you've been able to control a civic with an ls drivetrain in it before?

supraghost

01-27-2011, 08:21 AM

Im sure you've been able to control a civic with an ls drivetrain in it before?

cant say for sure, as ive never had the opportunity. but i doubt the wheelbase is much shorter than an ae86. besides ive seen hatches drift before so i know that it is just a driver issue.

Supraru

01-27-2011, 08:30 AM

cant say for sure, as ive never had the opportunity. but i doubt the wheelbase is much shorter than an ae86. besides ive seen hatches drift before so i know that it is just a driver issue.

At the same point they weren't a drivetrain that was hacked into a car it wasn't meant to be in. Lol.

supraghost

01-27-2011, 09:36 AM

At the same point they weren't a drivetrain that was hacked into a car it wasn't meant to be in. Lol.

actually it was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS1CL-n_KRI

FocusDude

01-27-2011, 09:53 AM

Focus Wagon on a Escape's V6 / 4x4 drivetrain (or x-type, i think they are similar though) ... one day

JSpecV03

01-27-2011, 12:41 PM

:thumbup:

them crazy ass french people....i believe i saw the video of 2 hatchs with that engine in it years ago..

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1290/200sxs13h22bvs2000010nq1.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6206/200sxs13h22bvs2000012rp4.jpg

VIDEO:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5sdzz_drift-team-belzebuth-dub200-korneus_auto

how in the world would this work and what trans is being as the h series is a fwd set up.

Supraru

01-27-2011, 01:17 PM

actually it was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS1CL-n_KRI

Didn't sound like an ls to me. 240 swapped?

OutToWinPAHC

01-27-2011, 01:30 PM

how in the world would this work and what trans is being as the h series is a fwd set up.

You missed the build link

OutToWinPAHC

01-27-2011, 01:33 PM

Didn't sound like an ls to me. 240 swapped?

Its a F20C, it also says it in the title. And yea there would be a hell of a difference between those cars based on torque curves.

Ej6Mike

01-27-2011, 02:06 PM

Dear OP,

Look what you started, lol.

supraghost

01-27-2011, 02:09 PM

Didn't sound like an ls to me. 240 swapped?

you said hacked into a car that it wasnt meant to be in, and it was.

Its a F20C, it also says it in the title. And yea there would be a hell of a difference between those cars based on torque curves.

which do you think would be easier to control? one with a predictable torque curve, or one that has no torque and only makes power above 6krpms?

obviously the shorter wheelbase makes it more challenging to control. But with a better driver im sure the civette would be fine.

OutToWinPAHC

01-27-2011, 02:24 PM

ehh hard to say torque out the gate is harder control, but one your going and you know the car it should not be an issue. The other side also has benefits as well, big power lower torque even at 500 WHP the torque may be what 375 on the F20C? That car and torque are not the best match for control but with practice it can be. It's hard to say really, it depends on the set up and driver. I think that driver was just having some fun and probably is not into drifting at all, how ever I have seen him launch well in that car and I have seen it around a higher speed road coarse and he did okay.

smelly240

01-27-2011, 08:29 PM

http://www.stanceworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/IMG_4295.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2308/photo0807a.jpg

Bdub215

01-27-2011, 08:31 PM

Why? Ls motors are a way better option. Simple bolt ons and you've got great hp and tq. It's lighter and has a far greater aftermarket. No brainer to me.

And while that may be true to some extent, there's plenty of bolt-ons for the RB26 and I'd bet it's a better motor for reliability and way smoother. And besides a DD 240sx v8 will be terrible on gas. Just sayin. Premium is 3.39 where I live. Seen it as high as 3.75. And I can't afford a second car...

Supraru

01-27-2011, 08:45 PM

Its a F20C, it also says it in the title. And yea there would be a hell of a difference between those cars based on torque curves.

I was at work on my iphone so I just watched it real quick.

evomike

01-28-2011, 08:10 AM

And while that may be true to some extent, there's plenty of bolt-ons for the RB26 and I'd bet it's a better motor for reliability and way smoother. And besides a DD 240sx v8 will be terrible on gas. Just sayin. Premium is 3.39 where I live. Seen it as high as 3.75. And I can't afford a second car...

Lsx motors get good gas mileage and you'd have to run the same gas in a rb, not to mention they make the car front heavy.

bugeye1257

01-28-2011, 02:22 PM

I know 9 second evos on stock drivetrain parts.

link please???

OutToWinPAHC

01-28-2011, 03:34 PM

not sure in driveline specs but I like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFB1S4T6B98

bugeye1257

01-28-2011, 03:51 PM

2jz swap in a wrx

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2125322

1jz swap in wrx

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2124833

BigWhiteTodd

01-28-2011, 04:03 PM

And while that may be true to some extent, there's plenty of bolt-ons for the RB26 and I'd bet it's a better motor for reliability and way smoother. And besides a DD 240sx v8 will be terrible on gas. Just sayin. Premium is 3.39 where I live. Seen it as high as 3.75. And I can't afford a second car...

my buddy dd his 02 camaro 20+ mpg plus if you dont put a tune to run premium you can run 87 all day

OutToWinPAHC

01-28-2011, 04:19 PM

Its a preference thing.. I put a LS in my 240 starting 6 years ago because nobody was doing it then. Building now I'd do a 1JZ-GTE vvt-i swapped FD with a GT35R

JankyS13

02-01-2011, 02:13 AM

this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfR_Ztug9N0&feature=related

i love how they blame their lack of ability to control oversteer due to the short wheelbase... lol

cant speak for that but I can say drifting a damn chevette scooter on magic top is a pita sometimes. your like oh yeah, oh yeah I got this and then out of now where the damn chevette scooter is like i disagree.

supraghost

02-01-2011, 06:11 PM

cant speak for that but I can say drifting a damn chevette scooter on magic top is a pita sometimes. your like oh yeah, oh yeah I got this and then out of now where the damn chevette scooter is like i disagree.

i read that several times but i still have no clue what you are trying to say

JankyS13

02-01-2011, 06:20 PM

i read that several times but i still have no clue what you are trying to say

:(

sliding a short wheel base chevette on magic top nugga.
out of no where it tends to just say consistent sliding, yeah about that.

ein

02-03-2011, 02:05 PM

:(

sliding a short wheel base chevette on magic top nugga.
out of no where it tends to just say consistent sliding, yeah about that.

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And while that may be true to some extent, there's plenty of bolt-ons for the RB26 and I'd bet it's a better motor for reliability and way smoother. And besides a DD 240sx v8 will be terrible on gas. Just sayin. Premium is 3.39 where I live. Seen it as high as 3.75. And I can't afford a second car...

You're an idiot, 99 Camaro 6 speed is good for almost 30 mpg on the highway and 20 mpg (give or take 2) around town.

It would take at LEAST 2 X the $$$ to do a RB swap instead of an LS swap, and when you blow both up the LS costs nothing to replace. Not to mention parts availability...

Pardon my bluntness, I'm having a short fuse day ( and no, I'm not mad) but this response is dumb.

supraghost

02-03-2011, 02:35 PM

:(

sliding a short wheel base chevette on magic top nugga.
out of no where it tends to just say consistent sliding, yeah about that.

still nothing

OutToWinPAHC

02-03-2011, 03:45 PM

Error 404 Sorry try again, English not found.

You're an idiot, 99 Camaro 6 speed is good for almost 30 mpg on the highway and 20 mpg (give or take 2) around town.

It would take at LEAST 2 X the $$$ to do a RB swap instead of an LS swap, and when you blow both up the LS costs nothing to replace. Not to mention parts availability...

Pardon my bluntness, I'm having a short fuse day ( and no, I'm not mad) but this response is dumb.

You are wrong.... RB is a much easier swap, and RB motor sets cost a lot less. You can buy an LS1 for about 1200 and a T56 swap for about 1800 with swap parts, but then you need to do a ton more... From gauge signal converters, sway bar spacers, crossmember modification, oil pan, headers that clear, cooling upgrades, fuel system, plumbing drive line. It really nickels and dimes you. You can LS swap for about 6000-7000 but thats with a 100K motor and trans combo.

I got 3500 into my trans/clutch alone.... an RB is a much cheaper swap, and a lot easier to pull off.

ein

02-03-2011, 04:32 PM

I apparently am corrected, I can't imagine an RB swap has that many interchangeable bits with the SR or the KA, but if Nissan has the Lego thing going on then :thumbup: .

I do think yours is a little on the high end of the swapped V8 spectrum, LS6 when an LS1or 2 could do. There are cheaper ways to do it...

That clutch thing sucks too, the buddy of mine that had the SS replaced his for like 1300 ish IIRC then he slipped in the ice and totaled it.