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Bubba Ho-Tep
01-15-2011, 12:04 AM
Today I took some time an visited Prestige Subaru/Mitsubishi/VW this afternoon as they have 3 cars I'm interested in as a daily: Evo, GTi, WRX/STi.

Here are my impressions of each:

2011 WRX 5-door 5spd m: This was the first car I took out for a test-drive. It was a 2011 5-door hatchback model with sunroof. Immediately it was a huge adjustment with the upright seating position. I've been driving around in my Vette daily for over 6 months. The reach for the shifter seemed further forward than I'm used to, even after adjusting my seat and wheel.

Clutch engagement felt relatively high and abrupt but smooth. Acceleration was decent, though my 05 STi "felt" faster- then again I had a DP, and tune. In between hard shifts the drive-train felt jerky. Maybe it was the tires initiating traction control.

The overall quality of the cabin felt a bit better than my previous 05 STi and the seats were comfortable.



2011 GTi 2dr 6spd m: I have to be honest, the interior of the GTi blew me away. Very refined and upscale. I've seen it in pictures and it didn't disappoint in person. Everything about the car screamed quality- from the soft-touch surfaces, to the high-res touch screen nav unit, and brushed aluminum trim. This is probably the best looking interior of any car short of a BMW/Mercedes or....Audi. It certainly show's it's lineage in this department.

The seats were the plaid cloth and were bolstered more than the WRX. The back bolsters felt good but the seat ones felt a bit confining on my legs. Not too terrible though. I for one really liked the look of the plaid- however I know it's a love/hate thing depending on who you ask.

The shifter was something else. It felt broken- so light it felt like it wasn't attached to a tranny. I've NEVER felt a shifter this light in my entire life. You can shift gears with a single finger.....easily. Clutch engagement was verrrry smooth and slow. Unlike the WRX which seemed to engage high and fast this started low and engaged over a longer period. It's gotta be the easiest car to drive mt. Probably should be the poster-car for teaching new manual drivers. Overall though I don't quite know if the shifter "lightness" was a good thing or not. I like the ease in "rowing" but felt almost too loose and soft. In neutral the gates felt vague.

Acceleration was underwhelming but not slow. As middle-of-the-road as you could imagine. It definitely felt smooth with no hint of a turbo power curve. It felt smooth and strong from low rpms to redline. Heck past redline- according to the tach the car lets you go almost 1k past the designated "red-line". Power felt consistent all the way "past" redline.

Overall I was very impressed with the GTi, for everything OTHER than performance. I wouldn't have guessed it had a turbo at all- it felt like a weak 6 or a strong 4 cyldr.


11 Evo X GSR: The Evo was the last car that I drove, which the salesman purposely set up that way. I'm assuming he thought I would be blown away with it's performance compared to the other two. Well I must say- it's certainly worlds faster than the GTi, though you don't need me to tell you that. The paper stats can tell you that.

Second gear felt really strong, though 3rd felt like it fell on it's face. The engine was loud and thrashy- much louder than the WRX, and overall it didn't feel appreciably faster than the WRX- which, I believe, it isn't. At least in stock form.

The interior was nothing to write home about- probably the most pedestrian of the 3 other than the cool technology adjusting the AWD system. The seats looked beautiful! Highly bolstered with headrests set up for harnesses. However sitting on them was a different story. I was careful to phrase it that way (sitting ON them as opposed to sitting in them). While the back bolsters felt nice and tight- the thigh bolsters were a bit imposing. I constantly felt the pressure the the hard edges on the outer sides of both legs. Perhaps my fat arse is a bit to wide for these seats, as I felt a similar yet not as strong discomfort in the GTi. If I sat up perfectly straight and pressed my legs together it wasn't terrible but it certainly wasn't comfortable cruising like that. Even in the short time I had the car out.

The shifter felt a bit awkward as well. The shift knob was the size of a golf ball, and wrapped and stitched like a mini baseball. The gates were pretty notchy as well though the clutch engagement felt better than the WRX, though not as smooth as the GTi.


FINAL THOUGHTS: I was a bit surprised at my opinions of the cars after driving each of them. The biggest disappointment being the Evo. I don't know if it was the combination of uncomfortable seating and notchy shifter, or possibly the one I had the biggest expectations from- but I walked away most disappointed from that drive. Out of the three- the most appealing to me at this point is probably the WRX. As it had the most comfortable ride and it's power matched the Evo. If the GTi had more power it would have EASILY overtaken my preference over the WRX. Even so- the GTi is quite a close second to the WRX with nods going to the refinement and driving feel to the GTi, and nods to the WRX for power, and comfort.

Now I'm looking into leasing the WRX as they have a $299 lease special going on right now- which is pretty darn good, even though it requires 2k out of pocket and tax/tags fees. Financing to own would be over $500/month if the term was 60 months or shorter. I'm still going to give the Mazdaspeed3 a chance. I stopped by the dealer tonight as well and they would only offer me $23,000 on a left-over 2010 w/ tech-package. It would have to be 20k for me to bite on a left-over especially considering 2011 got LED tails, rain-sensing wipers, and adaptive HID headlights for the new tech package.

renn
01-15-2011, 12:22 AM
i was car shopping with a friend,

we drove the gti, wrx, lancer gts, and ms3.

came away leasing a loaded jetta gli for less than the other cars. the gti was very nice, drives just like the gli. the ms3 is very fast, probably as fast as the evo x in a straight line. if it wasn't so ugly it would have been the one i would have chosen.

1slowteg
01-15-2011, 12:38 AM
Great writeup, thanks.

98GSXdude
01-15-2011, 12:51 AM
All three are cheapo compact cars. You already have a vette, why do you need a high performance hot hatch? Personally I'd get something a little nicer that may not be as fast, like a BMW/Audi/Mercedes/Lexus/Infiniti/etc. I doubt payments would be much different, if at all.

SleeperGoat
01-15-2011, 12:57 AM
All three are cheapo compact cars. You already have a vette, why do you need a high performance hot hatch? Personally I'd get something a little nicer that may not be as fast, like a BMW/Audi/Mercedes/Lexus/Infiniti/etc. I doubt payments would be much different, if at all.

It's an addiction for some lol don't make my mistake an have 2 cars that don't move in snow lol. Great write up though very interesting my buddy had a speed3 it was meh.

98GSXdude
01-15-2011, 01:26 AM
don't make my mistake an have 2 cars that don't move in snow lol..

All of those cars comes in all wheel drive and can be had for around 30k new or sub-25k in certified pre-owned. I understand that the OP is looking to lease so new is the only option, but I don't think any of those cars new would be more than an Evo. Obviously they're not going to perform like one though.

IMPREZvWRX
01-15-2011, 06:44 AM
All three are cheapo compact cars. You already have a vette, why do you need a high performance hot hatch? Personally I'd get something a little nicer that may not be as fast, like a BMW/Audi/Mercedes/Lexus/Infiniti/etc. I doubt payments would be much different, if at all.
He might need the power. I had an A4 that was nice, but it wasn't
quick enough for me, so I didn't enjoy it for long. Ended up giving it to my wife, who also complained about its response and acceleration and traded it in on a loaded Pilot.

FocusDude
01-15-2011, 10:17 AM
I don't see the CTS-V
otherwise nice comparison

ndubz
01-15-2011, 04:33 PM
Good stuff.

If u wanted a GTI with more power and awd, I hear VW is bringing the Golf R over here sometime soon. Thats 265bhp from a 2.0T with AWD. but ud have to wait lol

This same package as the golf R exists in the Audi TT-S, but at a higher price.

The WRX is quite solid though, if uve looked at the other thread, u'll notice that the WRX has basically the same power as the STI......but if u can afford an STI, u should go for it because of the Brembos alone. They have saved my life and the lives of others more than a few times in situations where the standard WRX brakes would not have been enough. And the 6 spd trans is extremely robust, whereas the 5 spd is famously not although it has improved. Suspension is kind of irrelevant given how easy and cheap it is to change. But if u can get the STI u should for the brakes and trans alone.

Good crs either way though

asdfasdf128
01-15-2011, 04:39 PM
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Bubba Ho-Tep
01-15-2011, 05:15 PM
Good stuff.

If u wanted a GTI with more power and awd, I hear VW is bringing the Golf R over here sometime soon. Thats 265bhp from a 2.0T with AWD. but ud have to wait lol

This same package as the golf R exists in the Audi TT-S, but at a higher price.

The WRX is quite solid though, if uve looked at the other thread, u'll notice that the WRX has basically the same power as the STI......but if u can afford an STI, u should go for it because of the Brembos alone. They have saved my life and the lives of others more than a few times in situations where the standard WRX brakes would not have been enough. And the 6 spd trans is extremely robust, whereas the 5 spd is famously not although it has improved. Suspension is kind of irrelevant given how easy and cheap it is to change. But if u can get the STI u should for the brakes and trans alone.

Good crs either way though

Speaking of WRX vs STi what are all of the differences? I know the STi has better brakes, and 6spd tranny, and adjustable differential. Does it have a different turbo? It seems like a hard sell for an additional $10k considering they now even LOOK the same. For 10k I could upgrade to brembos and do stage2 Cobb (dp/ap), maybe even some suspension.

ndubz
01-15-2011, 11:54 PM
Speaking of WRX vs STi what are all of the differences? I know the STi has better brakes, and 6spd tranny, and adjustable differential. Does it have a different turbo? It seems like a hard sell for an additional $10k considering they now even LOOK the same. For 10k I could upgrade to brembos and do stage2 Cobb (dp/ap), maybe even some suspension.

They have a different turbo and engine bay layout, however it is blatantly clear that they are putting out the same sort of power both in observed performance and dyno numbers.

The real differences lie in the chassis and drivetrain as stated earlier. Is it worth another 10k?

I'll say this if u buy the wrx, u will wish u had the brembos, adjustable diff, and especially the 6 speed tranny. I will also say that it is difficult and expensive to swap in the 6 speed on the wrx as u have to swap out the entire drivetrain, it is even more difficult and expensive if u wanted the adjustable diff to work. All in all if u wanted that stuff on a wrx it'll probly cost u more than the 10K in work and parts, all up front.

Overall, if u are gonna finance this car, I would say go for the extra 10K and get the STI. Its definitely worth it if u can do it. The wrx is a great car, but u really should go for the STI if u can afford it though because its better in all ways as a car. But if u cant afford to finance and insure the STI over the WRX, then I can assure u that u'll be very happy with the WRX.

Bubba Ho-Tep
01-16-2011, 12:05 AM
+1 on the notchy transmission and gearbox on the X models.

This was my first stick shift car that I learned on and I ran into the same issues. I thought I just couldn't drive manual plain and simple. I finally got a chance to drive a GTI and Civi-Si and my style with that was as smooth as butter. This led me to do more research on the issue we experienced and I was able to find a full-proof solution.

- Works Short Shifter
- Works Console Bushings (urethane)
- Works Underhood Shifter Bushings (urethane)
- AMS gate pivot bushing
- Blox 490g counter-weight knob
- 2 MTL's and 1 MT 90 (a.k.a. Redline Cocktail)

Stock EvoXs hate the cold. My setup works relatively well, but shifting into 2 in the cold mornings is still there. After the car is warmed up it is perfect.

The only complaint I have with the X as of now is the engagement point is higher on the stock clutch than I like it and it is non adjustable. Shouldn't be an issue in the future as I need to upgrade with the power. The other thing is the Xs have a device called a clutch delay valve / restrictor pill that needs to be taken out. This is supposed to help prevent additional drive train shock and is very noticeable if you don't drive like a grandma and enter 2nd gear. Gives a nice buck.

Trust me the Vette is the same way- the clutch engages VERY high and in a short 3-4 inches of it's travel. The clutch take-up on the GTi felt like it was 90% of the travel starting a few inches off the floor. It was nice.

In the cold my Vette shifts terribly. Granted it warms up and smooths out pretty quickly but on cold mornings shifting into 2nd gear is rough even if I purposely hold the clutch to the floor for a full second before pulling it out of 1st. Otherwise when warmed up and in warmer weather it's smooth- yet very positive in nature. Even the Evo felt easy to row compared to the Vette. You actually have to use a little bit of force to row the gears. Certainly aren't doing any pinkie shifts like the GTi. I can't help but think my familiarity with the Vette made the GTi feel even softer.

I'm really sad I didn't like the Evo more. I almost WANTED to like it- if that makes sense. I've read so many rave reviews and it's been so mysterious to me for so many years as I've been a previous STi owner but never stepped foot in an Evo. The other thing that killed it for me was cargo capacity. It's got what seems like it could have been a large trunk but it's completely partitioned by the rear battery and washer reservoir wall. While I thought it was pretty slick that they did that (for weight distribution I presume) it kills any potential for me to own it due to lack of cargo carrying capacity. Though, that's not something the average Evo shopper is worried about. lol

The other thing, once again, were the seats. They were terribly uncomfortable on my legs- though I presume someone with thinner quadriceps wouldn't have issue. If I bought the Evo I'd be forced to....gulp....trade seats with a standard Lancer. :(