Gone Too Soon

[O2SpecV]

Well i crashed my s maybe an hour or two ago FML Slid out on summer tires...

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[300zx_tt]

damn that sucks man

[jpalamar]

Atleast you got to drive it for a few weeks first. Hoping your OK.

[O2SpecV]

yeah i am fine quite sad

[Godofelru]

Glad to hear you're alright. I did the summer tires in winter one year, never again.

"Ecsta SPT tires are not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."

Directly from Kumho's site.

[Scapegoat]

insurance will fix that

[O2SpecV]

yeah wish i would of read that earlier, insurance is looking at it in the next few days.

[morla]

damn sucks to hear and especially see that to such a beauty of a car. Broke the wheel and all, good thing your alright, at least enough to be posting about it.

[Scapegoat]

looks all cosmetic, you'll get it back, hopefully looking as good as new

[O2SpecV]

yeah i really really hope so because for the 2 months that i drove it i absolutely loved it

[Indrid Cold]

That blows! Some cars are just never the same after an accident though. Glad to hear you are ok though!

[jpalamar]

Best advise I can give you, tires are the most important thing on your car. I drove my GTO though the big snow storm last year to the point my front bumper was literally plowing an inch a snow above it and that was only with All-Seasons. Look into some Conti DWS tires because they are actualy affordable, last FOREVER, and have great traction.

I came home from a Superbowl gathering like 2-3 years ago and it was the night of the big ice storm. I was able to make it though roads that SUVs were pulled over. Granted I didn't make it home because there was a huge hill that had some sharp turns and when I let off the gas so I wouldn't kick out I couldn't get traction again, but that was honestly the only time I've ever gotten stuck somewhere and it was solid ice so no tire would probally of made a differnce in the end.. I was running Potenza 960AS tires(a little better then Contis in dry but worse in the snow plus they cost $50 a tire more).

[hulkster]

like people said looks mostly cosmetic but cars have been declared totaled with only cosmetic damage.labor and parts can really add up. not sure of the worth or an early s2000.

[sean3]

Ouch... Summer tires in cold weather typically ends poorly. How exactly did it happen?

[accordguy04]

What did you slide out on? I don't see anything on the ground in the pics. And that sucks, sry to hear that.

[92awdtsi]

I'm not to familiar with the value of s2000's but I work at a body shop and just by the pictures I can say that your estimate will be at least 6-7K. Starting from the front. That needs a hood, fender, fender rail will need a minor pull. New wheel, they might try to put a tire on it. They wont even try to fix that door, so a new door/or door skin will be added. Bodywork to sideskirt area, and finally onto the quarter panel. They will definatly put a new quarter on it, add more time to fix the rear bumper scuffs. Can't really tell from the picture but your trunk gap might have shifted. Then after all the "parts" are done being added up, they will include a labor charge to "refinish" and "refresh" all surrounding panels to match. If your lucky it will stay under 7k or so.

[jspek]

damn man. sorry to see that :/. ive seen 3 s2ks been totaled this week wtf is going on haha.

[92awdtsi]

If you go to the right shop and they use used parts your more than likely gonna be able to keep the car from being totaled. And worst case scenario they do total it. You can buy the vehicle back from the insurance company for 10% of the value. So if its worth 10k you can buy it for 1k. (you can part a s2k out for way more than 1k)

[DPancoast]

sorry to see. good luck getting it fixed

[O2SpecV]

i took it to grand sport auto body in exton

[jjm4life]

summer tires in decemeber is never a good move. hope insurance works it out.

[laser92dsm]

Look into some Conti DWS tires because they are actualy affordable, last FOREVER, and have great traction.

I just bought these about 3 weeks ago and they are great tires for the winter. I just put them to the test 2 nights ago.

Sucks to see any kind of accident happen to anyone but I am sure insurance will fix it. Good thing you are alright that's the biggest thing.

[jgoodman]

ouch.....

[jesus_ralliart]

that looks like a total. at least you are ok. Cars come and go, just learn from it and move on. GL

[92sileighty]

i had 4 grand worth of damage to my car when i hit a deer, and all they did was replace the rad support fender and hood :bigeek: that might be totalled. in other news, i drove fine in the snow today with the s. that sucks you hit a bad patch man.

[ambitiousCK]

Damn that sucks man, glad your ok. Keep us updated on the good news about getting your car back to new =)

[Got Insulin?]

Ah, man! That's turrible. Hope the insuracnce works out for you.

[O2SpecV]

looks like she might be getting fixed!!!!!! 9000 for labor and parts

[i_ride_fieroGT]

looks like she might be getting fixed!!!!!! 9000 for labor and parts

What did they value your car at. If the price to fix it exceeds 80% of the value (most insurance company's) its considered a total loss.

[O2SpecV]

parts were about 4 grand car is worth maybe 9?

[i_ride_fieroGT]

parts were about 4 grand car is worth maybe 9?

keep your fingers crossed on the labor being low than.. Remember they have to give you the retail value of your car (enough for you to go get another one of same condition and miles) if parts and labor come out to 9K you might be SOL. example. The 04 buick my brother totaled had 45K miles on it in between good to excelent condition. they put a value of about $10000 on it. the bill for parts and labor to fix the car i beleave were around $8700 for parts and labor. thats 87% of the cars inital value. At this point it makes more sence for them to total the car because in the repair they might find things that wernt seen in the initial ajustment that will add more to the bill bring the car to cost more to fix than the whole vehical is worth and thats what they try to avoid. Either way you will get enough to go out and get another S2K that is on par with your current one unless you over paied for it.

[DC2.2GSR]

i took it to grand sport auto body in exton

:jawdrop:

Oh man... I hope you get it back in drivable condition. GSA puts out absolute garbage work. I painted at one of the shops until I found out that there's not a single person in the company that gives even the tiniest s*** about the quality of work that leaves the shop, so I wised up and got out ASAP. I know exactly how they operate. "F*** it, I can't see it from my house... ship it! NEXT!" is basically the company slogan. Take a powerful flashlight when you pick it up. The car is NH-630M, which can be tricky to blend so make sure you inspect each panel in bright daylight or with the flashlight to make sure you can't see the blends which, assuming they wrote it to replace the rear bumper and blend the entire front bumper, will be on the driver's side quarter and the driver's side fender. Silverstone is a coarse flake metallic which can give even a good painter a bit of trouble but knowing the typical 'barely a decent prepper' painters they have at most of their shops, 630M is a code that will without a doubt be sprayed mottled and dark. Also be aware that it's nearly GSA 'standard operating procedure' to ignore most dirt nibs on silver cars.

Be polite and respectful and give them the benefit of the doubt first, because things can easily change over time with different employees/policies, etc., but just be careful. DO NOT hand over the insurance check or pay your deductible until you inspect every single inch of the car, including the insides of the panels where possible. Get your warranty in writing and make copies. You'll probably need to make use of it. Also, you need to make sure the estimate makes a note of inspecting the suspension for possible damage. With that wheel hit it's possible that something got tweaked, especially with a small, light car like the S2000. GSA will sometimes skip the inspection and alignment altogether, even if the estimate is written to do one or both. You need that car aligned... ask for a copy of the alignment spec sheet 'for your records', that will force them to align it.


*edited to add some more advice:

When you pick up the car, test everything. Give it a walk around to make sure everything is in order.
- Headlights (function and alignment if possible), taillights, turn signals and flashers. Also the interior lights, radio function and clarity (antenna damage), and all speakers.
- trunk lid (using the popper and the key), hood popper (and make sure it shuts easily)
- check out the splash shields under the front bumper and the fender liners (are they attached, not hanging down and bent, are all the clips in place, etc.)
- panel alignment (bumper to quarter, lip to front bumper, sideskirt to door/quarter/fender, trunk to quarter, hood to fenders and bumper, etc.)
- Pass. door and window function (should shut easily like all Hondas, not *pop* open either. If it shuts hard and pops excessively, it wasn't aligned properly or something's still bent)
- convertible top function
- check the painted panels (which will be everything except your driver's door and sideskirt) for fisheyes, dirt nibs, and runs/sags.

I mention all of these things not because I'm a disgruntled former employee, but like I said - I know how they operate. Don't let anyone hurry you off the lot and don't let the bobbing heads and spying eyes at the garage door windows bother you. They hate when you look at every inch of the car before picking it up, but do it anyway. F*** 'em, it's your car. Once you leave the lot and something ends up being wrong, shops like GSA will probably blame it on you and say that you must have messed something up after you left the shop. You normally shouldn't have to inspect the car so thoroughly like I listed above, but if you do it will save you a lot of headaches later on.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

:jawdrop:

Oh man... I hope you get it back in drivable condition. GSA puts out absolute garbage work. I painted at one of the shops until I found out that there's not a single person in the company that gives even the tiniest s*** about the quality of work that leaves the shop, so I wised up and got out ASAP. I know exactly how they operate. "F*** it, I can't see it from my house... ship it! NEXT!" is basically the company slogan. Take a powerful flashlight when you pick it up. The car is NH-630M so make sure you inspect each panel in bright daylight or with the flashlight to make sure you can't see the blends which, assuming they wrote it to replace the rear bumper and blend the entire front bumper, will be on the driver's side quarter and the driver's side fender. Silverstone is a coarse flake metallic that can be tricky to blend, but knowing the typical 'barely a decent prepper' painters they have at most of their shops, 630M is a code that will without a doubt be sprayed mottled and dark. Also be aware that it's nearly GSA 'standard operating procedure' to ignore most dirt nibs on silver cars.

DO NOT hand over the insurance check or pay your deductible until you inspect every single inch of the car, including the insides of the panels where possible. Get your warranty in writing and make copies. You'll probably need to make use of it.

for once we are in agreement on somnthing GSA absolutley sucks. id take it to macco before GSA. i had them fix my old firebird after it had gotten hit by a deer and ended up with more problems than it went in there with.. 3 weeks after i got it back my door skin started seperating from the door frame, the paint dident look right at all..... They also couldent even figure out how to start my firebird (came down to a simple blown ign fuse that i found after there "electrical expert" look at it) After about 2 monts the power window started giving me trouble.. turns out insted of riviting the motor to the door like they were suposed to they bolted it down with lock washers nuts and bolts.

I dont know what your insurance told you (most insurance company's send you to GSA with the threat if you dont you only get the rental for 30 days)
PA state law states you have the right to chose which shop you get your work done through an insurance company is not allowed to bar you to a certan shop. however if it is writtin ion your contract that you can only get a 30 day than its in stone. they usuealy brib you to take it to there shop with the promise that you get the rental till its done, but your car comes back half a$$ed.

I would highley recoment brandywine coach works...... There work is second to none in this area.

[DC2.2GSR]

I got a few ninja edits in there adding some more points after you quoted me..

GSA is one of those companies where even if they employ a few decent hardworking and honest people, they turn into hacks because of the management. You can have a guy like me and a few other employees from other shops who I spoke to on occasion who actually do give a sh** and who want to do their jobs to the best of their abilities, but who are forced to turn out low quality work because of pressure to move faster and work cheaper. It's really a shame.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

I got a few ninja edits in there adding some more points after you quoted me..

GSA is one of those companies where even if they employ a few decent hardworking and honest people, they turn into hacks because of the management. You can have a guy like me and a few other employees from other shops who I spoke to on occasion who actually do give a sh** and who want to do their jobs to the best of their abilities, but who are forced to turn out low quality work because of pressure to move faster and work cheaper. It's really a shame.

Very true. This even stands for macco. I have delt with the macco in Frazer on the paint of my 87 GT. i dident get the top of the line job but one of the higher end ones. While it was there and when i stopped by to see it you could tell that the guys there do actuley take pride in the work that they do. i mean you do get what you pay for there and my paint job wasent perfect but it holds up and to the naked eye and up close it lookes pretty good its only when you get really close is when its imperfections show. Anbd when i got the car back i dident have any other unrelated problems in the area they were working around and no overspray on the parts that GSA had it on. I'v hear they have gooten better but with the history i'v had with them i will never retun to them. usualy when i get insurance work done on my cars. i take them to brandywine.

[O2SpecV]

well they already gave me an estimate and stuff can i be like i want to take it to another shop?

[i_ride_fieroGT]

well they already gave me an estimate and stuff can i be like i want to take it to another shop?

I would giv them a shot.. while they did do a sh*tty job on my firebird back in my highschool days they did do a good job on my buick the 1st time my brother wrecked it:roll:. remember if there work dosent look right to you you can have them redo it to your satifaction.

[DC2.2GSR]

well they already gave me an estimate and stuff can i be like i want to take it to another shop?

If they only gave you an estimate, that's nothing binding.. you can take the car wherever you want. If they've already started work on the car then I'm not sure. To be perfectly honest I haven't ever come across an issue like that where a customer wants to pull their car to take to another shop so I couldn't tell you for sure. Just remember, your insurance agent works for you... call and ask anything you want as often as you want. If you doubt the answer of one agent, call another from the same company and ask them. Explain the situation and see what they say.

Even if you take your car somewhere else you should still look over your car as I listed above when I re-edited my post.

[92sileighty]

take it to classic coachwork in wayne. i took my s2000 there when it got hit by a deer and they did an AMAZING job. i have a silverstone as well and the paint was absolutely perfect. they did an insane inspection and if they thought the deer affected the littlest thing on the car they replaced it and made insurance cover it. the people were incredibly polite and were so great to deal with. they go over everything step by step and tell you all possible options for anything. ive never had such a great shop experience with insurance related accidents. seriously if you still have the option to take your car somewhere take it there. you won't be disappointed at all.

[jpalamar]

take it to classic coachwork in wayne. i took my s2000 there when it got hit by a deer and they did an AMAZING job. i have a silverstone as well and the paint was absolutely perfect. they did an insane inspection and if they thought the deer affected the littlest thing on the car they replaced it and made insurance cover it. the people were incredibly polite and were so great to deal with. they go over everything step by step and tell you all possible options for anything. ive never had such a great shop experience with insurance related accidents. seriously if you still have the option to take your car somewhere take it there. you won't be disappointed at all.

They were dicks to me when my co-worker wrecked my GTO. I had it towed therefor a detailed estimate so I could get a proper amount from the insurance company and fix it myself. They charged me $400 plus(on top of the usual towing charge) for an estimate and 'lost some of my origional parts'. I swiped my credit and and requested a charge back the next day. They told me it took them 3 hours to take the front bumper cover off(its 7 screws and a wireharness.) I've personally taken it off in minutes. I ended up not even paying for the estimate in the end. They even tried to charge me a 10% surcharge of the parts they ordered even though I specifically asked for an estimate only. They treated me like complete crap and I would never go there again for that reason alone. Can't vouch for their quality of work but they weren't up front and honest with me.

[92sileighty]

They were dicks to me when my co-worker wrecked my GTO. I had it towed therefor a detailed estimate so I could get a proper amount from the insurance company and fix it myself. They charged me $400 plus(on top of the usual towing charge) for an estimate and 'lost some of my origional parts'. I swiped my credit and and requested a charge back the next day. They told me it took them 3 hours to take the front bumper cover off(its 7 screws and a wireharness.) I've personally taken it off in minutes. I ended up not even paying for the estimate in the end. They even tried to charge me a 10% surcharge of the parts they ordered even though I specifically asked for an estimate only. They treated me like complete crap and I would never go there again for that reason alone. Can't vouch for their quality of work but they weren't up front and honest with me.

wow really? how long ago? i had mine fixed about a year ago.

[Foolinaround]

This is a common thing on s2ki,people drive on summer tires in the winter and slide out.

Glad to hear youre ok and its possibly getting fixed,but tires are essential.

[jspek]

the car is unforgiving. one mistake and its bad. hopefully you get it back on the road man. just learn from this.

[92awdtsi]

good luck, hopefully they don't try to total it.. IF they do however try to total it.. Don't cash the check. I can more than likely get them to stop writing the estimate and we can do it cheaper or have you help to keep labor down. That's if you want to keep your car with a clean title. If you would like assistance in this department, I check my PMs daily.

[O2SpecV]

ok well here is the deal with my car. I am getting a 9000 dollar check from allstate to either repair my car or not. I am not going to repair it, since the car is not considered totaled i am able to get the car back from GSA for free. Also the manager at GSA said he has someone who might be interested in buying my entire car, for around 4500. Not bad for a car i bought for 7900. If anyone on here wants to throw me a offer for the car, just shoot me a pm.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

ok well here is the deal with my car. I am getting a 9000 dollar check from allstate to either repair my car or not. I am not going to repair it, since the car is not considered totaled i am able to get the car back from GSA for free. Also the manager at GSA said he has someone who might be interested in buying my entire car, for around 4500. Not bad for a car i bought for 7900. If anyone on here wants to throw me a offer for the car, just shoot me a pm.

Thats not to bad of a deal there.. its a good thing they dident total loss the car. It also look like it could be fixed for way under what they gave you as a budget. I would have been all over this but i just bought my new car. Good luck with everything though. i'll ask around if anyone is lookin for one.

[92sileighty]

ok well here is the deal with my car. I am getting a 9000 dollar check from allstate to either repair my car or not. I am not going to repair it, since the car is not considered totaled i am able to get the car back from GSA for free. Also the manager at GSA said he has someone who might be interested in buying my entire car, for around 4500. Not bad for a car i bought for 7900. If anyone on here wants to throw me a offer for the car, just shoot me a pm.

sounds perfect to me, off the car and pick up an evo

[jesus_ralliart]

worst advice ever. he couldnt handle 240ish hp, LETS GIVE HIM MOAR !

Sometimes i wonder about the ppl on here.
I never thought id be the sensible one in the crowd... and i know there are other sensible ppl on here but sometimes its just like :bigeek:

[i_ride_fieroGT]

worst advice ever. he couldnt handle 240ish hp, LETS GIVE HIM MOAR !

Sometimes i wonder about the ppl on here.
I never thought id be the sensible one in the crowd... and i know there are other sensible ppl on here but sometimes its just like :bigeek:

Its not that he couldent handel the HP. driving in the winter on summer tires isant fun at all. not to mention a powerful 2 seater dident help the situation at all. My solstice only has about 177HP with good year eagle RS-A's and even mine being all season tires still can kick out on ice water or even road salt.. sometimes sh*t just happens.

[O2SpecV]

yeah **** that i am not getting something under 200hp i would love to get an evo if i could afford one lol, its not like i am some noob driver i can handle my own, i obviously should have thought twice about driving on summer tires

[i_ride_fieroGT]

yeah **** that i am not getting something under 200hp i would love to get an evo if i could afford one lol, its not like i am some noob driver i can handle my own, i obviously should have thought twice about driving on summer tires

Its a mistake that happens.. i had summer tires on my old firebird and while i never got into an accident the thing dident want to go anywhere in the winter except for in circuls. I knew then that i had summers on it but i just dident care (young and stupid times)

[jpalamar]

yeah **** that i am not getting something under 200hp i would love to get an evo if i could afford one lol, its not like i am some noob driver i can handle my own, i obviously should have thought twice about driving on summer tires

You are a noob driver. Thats why you drove in winter with summer tires... and thats why the car is wrecked. Just try and fool anybody.

[05OCsrt-4]

for once we are in agreement on somnthing GSA absolutley sucks. id take it to macco before GSA. i had them fix my old firebird after it had gotten hit by a deer and ended up with more problems than it went in there with.. 3 weeks after i got it back my door skin started seperating from the door frame, the paint dident look right at all..... They also couldent even figure out how to start my firebird (came down to a simple blown ign fuse that i found after there "electrical expert" look at it) After about 2 monts the power window started giving me trouble.. turns out insted of riviting the motor to the door like they were suposed to they bolted it down with lock washers nuts and bolts.

I dont know what your insurance told you (most insurance company's send you to GSA with the threat if you dont you only get the rental for 30 days)
PA state law states you have the right to chose which shop you get your work done through an insurance company is not allowed to bar you to a certan shop. however if it is writtin ion your contract that you can only get a 30 day than its in stone. they usuealy brib you to take it to there shop with the promise that you get the rental till its done, but your car comes back half a$$ed.

I would highley recoment brandywine coach works...... There work is second to none in this area.

I agree with you on the GSA, their work is absolute crap. With the brandywine coach works, I wouldn't take their car their to save my life. Horrible work, no experience, just know a handful of people that went there, and the employees don't give a damn, know more than I can count.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

I agree with you on the GSA, their work is absolute crap. With the brandywine coach works, I wouldn't take their car their to save my life. Horrible work, no experience, just know a handful of people that went there, and the employees don't give a damn, know more than I can count.

Brandywine must have gone down hill over the past few years than. Back when i used them (about 6 years ago) they did an outstanding job on my firebird and my dads chrysler. Geuss times are taking there toll there to.

[supraghost]

i think amfracing made this exact thread a year ago lol

[92sileighty]

worst advice ever. he couldnt handle 240ish hp, LETS GIVE HIM MOAR !

Sometimes i wonder about the ppl on here.
I never thought id be the sensible one in the crowd... and i know there are other sensible ppl on here but sometimes its just like :bigeek:

are you serious dude? guy slid out in bad weather. doesn't matter what he was driving. and if you cant handle the 14 seconds of fury a stock evo is then get the **** off the road.

[92sileighty]

yeah **** that i am not getting something under 200hp i would love to get an evo if i could afford one lol, its not like i am some noob driver i can handle my own, i obviously should have thought twice about driving on summer tires

with a 9 grand down payment you can afford one, take a year or 2 to pay it off and use the 4500 from the s to buy mods. unless you owe a lot on the s2k, then that just blows

[daewoo]

s2k's are very unforgiving
ive seen many accidents of the ass end sliding out, even experienced drivers
move on, we all make mistakes dont listen to the criticism.

[WolfsFang]

oooooo i still have the stock summer tires on the evo and their is a snow storm coming......

[jspek]

worst advice ever. he couldnt handle 240ish hp, LETS GIVE HIM MOAR !

Sometimes i wonder about the ppl on here.
I never thought id be the sensible one in the crowd... and i know there are other sensible ppl on here but sometimes its just like :bigeek:
do you even know what you are talking about? the car is nothing below 6k rpm. and the car is making like 180 to the wheels maybe. you should never own one.

You are a noob driver. Thats why you drove in winter with summer tires... and thats why the car is wrecked. Just try and fool anybody.

i had summer tires on till last thursday. drove my ass off every day and didnt crash. an ap1 is a heartless bitch. you make 1 mistake its gonna slit your throat and kill itself lol.

just get another s. just learn from this.

[sean3]

worst advice ever. he couldnt handle 240ish hp, LETS GIVE HIM MOAR !

Sometimes i wonder about the ppl on here.
I never thought id be the sensible one in the crowd... and i know there are other sensible ppl on here but sometimes its just like :bigeek:

I've seen half a dozen posts from you telling him to buy a slow POS. Clearly he isn't interested in that advice. S2000s snap oversteer and summer tires have negative grip in this weather. He made a mistake, big deal.

[supraghost]

this is why everyone should learn to drift:mrgreen: its more than just a fad. it teaches useful driving skills.

[98GSXdude]

Good luck with everything. I wrecked a car in winter many years ago with a light dusting on snow on the road. I learned my lesson and buy winter cars now, I don't even mess with snow tires on a rwd car. I had Blizzaks on my 300ZX's and it was much better, but still not fantastic.

[jesus_ralliart]

You dumbasses do realize that when i say "less power and more awd" its for his own good right?

Everyone thinks they are an experienced driver.... 99 % of us arent. Obviously summer tires in winter is a bad idea but thats just it... he is an inexperienced driver who should learn to respect the vehicle from the ground up

Ground rules are start with less power and work your way up. You learn as you go. And you morons who are telling him "yea go ahead get that evo, get that firebird, I had accidents too but its all good..." you guys are really truely setting him up for failure. Its also easy to lose control in an evo... the car has enough power.

I've seen countless stories and read countless stories where some 17-20 year old gets and evo and either kills himself/others because he wasnt smart.

It's been said before and needs to be said again, you are not invincible and your loved ones may actually miss you when youre gone.

With that, a snow storm is coming, be careful.

[OutToWinPAHC]

TST drama go figure.

[jesus_ralliart]

Trying to help the youngin out. i dont think itll work but worth a shot

[i_ride_fieroGT]

You dumbasses do realize that when i say "less power and more awd" its for his own good right?

Everyone thinks they are an experienced driver.... 99 % of us arent. Obviously summer tires in winter is a bad idea but thats just it... he is an inexperienced driver who should learn to respect the vehicle from the ground up

Ground rules are start with less power and work your way up. You learn as you go. And you morons who are telling him "yea go ahead get that evo, get that firebird, I had accidents too but its all good..." you guys are really truely setting him up for failure. Its also easy to lose control in an evo... the car has enough power.

I've seen countless stories and read countless stories where some 17-20 year old gets and evo and either kills himself/others because he wasnt smart.

It's been said before and needs to be said again, you are not invincible and your loved ones may actually miss you when youre gone.

With that, a snow storm is coming, be careful.


I still say hes a pretty experianced driver. I'v seen the way he handels a car and he can keep himself very well behind the wheel. Hell he avoided a big accident around me and some stupid a** in a BMW that had the bright idea to run a red light and came within mear inches of being pulverized by old jeep. He avoided me and the moron all together and all 3 of us ended up safe. (i for one was very proud of myself having avoided that in a lifted wrangler as well) I'm 23 years old got my licence at 16. Never had an accident that was my fault. I was rear ended once. and side swiped while sitting at a red light by some moron in a camaro. I have a pretty big driving record such as tickets and all but no accidents. I'v drivin trucks the size of some of our houses I'v lost controll countless times on ice and always recovered. I'd say im a pretty experianced driver.
But in the end jspek is right. the S2000 is a heartless whore in the winter just like most RWD cars. Most perople (and i say most) only use thoes kind of cars as weekend wariors and not as Daily drivers. inexperiance had nothing to do with his accident. As i said earleyer sh*t just happens sometime no ones perfect.

[JB'sLGT]

I still say hes a pretty experianced driver. I'v seen the way he handels a car and he can keep himself very well behind the wheel. Hell he avoided a big accident around me and some stupid a** in a BMW that had the bright idea to run a red light and came within mear inches of being pulverized by old jeep. He avoided me and the moron all together and all 3 of us ended up safe. (i for one was very proud of myself having avoided that in a lifted wrangler as well) I'm 23 years old got my licence at 16. Never had an accident that was my fault. I was rear ended once. and side swiped while sitting at a red light by some moron in a camaro. I have a pretty big driving record such as tickets and all but no accidents. I'v drivin trucks the size of some of our houses I'v lost controll countless times on ice and always recovered. I'd say im a pretty experianced driver.
But in the end jspek is right. the S2000 is a heartless whore in the winter just like most RWD cars. Most perople (and i say most) only use thoes kind of cars as weekend wariors and not as Daily drivers. inexperiance had nothing to do with his accident. As i said earleyer sh*t just happens sometime no ones perfect.

none of that matters if you think driving on summer tires in a rwd sports car in snowy winter weather is ok

[i_ride_fieroGT]

none of that matters if you think driving on summer tires in a rwd sports car in snowy winter weather is ok

I'v done it (when i was much younger) and ended up fine. sure i wouldent do it today but still.
And just an FYI he wasent driving in the snow.

[sean3]

I'v done it (when i was much younger) and ended up fine. sure i wouldent do it today but still.
And just an FYI he wasent driving in the snow.

Doesn't matter, it's still ****ing dumb. I've been doing it for two years now, doesn't make it a good idea. Snow or no snow it's like driving on ice when it gets cold.

[JB'sLGT]

I'v done it (when i was much younger) and ended up fine. sure i wouldent do it today but still.
And just an FYI he wasent driving in the snow.

That just goes to show how unpredictable it is.

[92sileighty]

yea let's all sell our cars and get winter awd cars only because it snows a week out of the year, that's great advice :thumbup:

[sleeper15]

TST drama go figure.

yup.

dude makes a mistake in his car.

some feel sorry for him

other pounce on him

[Bates]

You have one person praising his driving skills, claiming he is an excellent driver, yet he loses control driving normally in non-snowy or non-icy weather? I don't care if he was in a AP1 with Summer tires. Something doesn't add up there.

It's sad that he had an accident, hopefully he will learn from what he did wrong (if anything) and won't make that mistake again.

[Appl3]

lol this is why you shouldn't post your wrecks on forums. you WILL get bashed on

[92awdtsi]

i hope everyone who is giving him crap from spinning out or whatever, has never... ever.. driven without winter tires. ever.. Your all making it seem like you NEED to have winter tires in the winter.... that is complete BS. So i guess your also then saying he wouldn't have crashed if he had brand new blizzacks? He would have crashed with winter tires or summer tires or whatever tires... Sorry about the loss of the s2k

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[SovXietday]

You dumbasses do realize that when i say "less power and more awd" its for his own good right?

Everyone thinks they are an experienced driver.... 99 % of us arent. Obviously summer tires in winter is a bad idea but thats just it... he is an inexperienced driver who should learn to respect the vehicle from the ground up

Ground rules are start with less power and work your way up. You learn as you go. And you morons who are telling him "yea go ahead get that evo, get that firebird, I had accidents too but its all good..." you guys are really truely setting him up for failure. Its also easy to lose control in an evo... the car has enough power.

I've seen countless stories and read countless stories where some 17-20 year old gets and evo and either kills himself/others because he wasnt smart.

It's been said before and needs to be said again, you are not invincible and your loved ones may actually miss you when youre gone.

With that, a snow storm is coming, be careful.

Have you ever driven an S2000?

They oversteer by design. It's not power, it's literally in the steering. I can pretty much promise you that every single Honda dealership in the entire US has had at least one of their S2000s get cracked up by a customer test driving or an employee screwing around in a car they think they know. My dad's has had 3 over 7 years. Guy drives S2000, guy goes into a corner, guy goes backwards/sideways/out of control into something. It's not anything new, and not necessarily a fault of the driver either. It doesn't take much, you can do it at parking lot speeds.

Sorry about the S sir. Best of luck in whatever you choose to get.

[L.W.Driver]

well they already gave me an estimate and stuff can i be like i want to take it to another shop?

hey if this car isnt already fixed i know a place that fixed my car beautifully and super cheap too!!! you must live near exton and I live in Coatesville and the place is in parksburg! its LC autobody. they do great work for cheap and they are legit i cant give u their number.